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2008-11-30T03:02:11Z

Why change?

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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Why change? */

2008-11-30T03:02:11Z

Why change?

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	*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a minor character since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Season Two Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a main character, and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Season Two Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a minor character since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Season Two Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a main character, and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Season Two Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)		****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
			***** I think we've got this all worked out now, and for the best. The categories are now more specific, so one won't read "guest star" and think they've always been a guest star. Instead, they will read "Season Two Guest Star" and "Season One Principal Cast" (in the cast of someone like Leonard Roberts), and there shouldn't be any confusion. Additionally, the navbar on the actors' pages (well, and on the character pages) should show the most current status for the individual. Both Leonard's and D.L.'s navbars show s2 information since that was the most recent season he was in. Hopefully this satisfies both worlds. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:02, 29 November 2008 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: fix links

2008-11-30T02:59:12Z

fix links

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	*Read my original post above, and hopefully my thoughts on the matter will be clear [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 13:45, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*Read my original post above, and hopefully my thoughts on the matter will be clear [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 13:45, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a minor character since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a main character, and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a minor character since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Season Two Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a main character, and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Season Two Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)		****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: fix link

2008-11-23T05:22:24Z

fix link

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	*Read my original post above, and hopefully my thoughts on the matter will be clear [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 13:45, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*Read my original post above, and hopefully my thoughts on the matter will be clear [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 13:45, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a minor character since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a ~~[[:Category:Main Characters\|~~main character]], and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a minor character since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a main character, and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)		****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: fix link

2008-11-23T05:12:52Z

fix link

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	*Read my original post above, and hopefully my thoughts on the matter will be clear [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 13:45, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*Read my original post above, and hopefully my thoughts on the matter will be clear [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 13:45, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a ~~[[:Category:Minor Characters\|~~minor character]] since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a [[:Category:Main Characters\|main character]], and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a minor character since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a [[:Category:Main Characters\|main character]], and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)		****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: rmv link

2008-11-23T05:11:45Z

rmv link

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	The categorization of the characters is becoming pretty messy. E.g. both [[Janice Parkman]] and [[D.L. Hawkins]] are listed as "minor characters", even though D.L. was a main character throughout season 1 and Janice is one of the non-main characters with the most appearances (10, tied with [[Bob Bishop]]). The reason for this obviously is that the characters is categorized by their status in the last season they occured in. This also results in that characters who didn't appeared at all during season two, but played a significant role during season one is listed as "supporting characters", even though they have made less apperances than e.g. Janice, (such characters include [[Eden McCain]], [[Audrey Hanson]] and [[Mr. Thompson]] among others).		The categorization of the characters is becoming pretty messy. E.g. both [[Janice Parkman]] and [[D.L. Hawkins]] are listed as "minor characters", even though D.L. was a main character throughout season 1 and Janice is one of the non-main characters with the most appearances (10, tied with [[Bob Bishop]]). The reason for this obviously is that the characters is categorized by their status in the last season they occured in. This also results in that characters who didn't appeared at all during season two, but played a significant role during season one is listed as "supporting characters", even though they have made less apperances than e.g. Janice, (such characters include [[Eden McCain]], [[Audrey Hanson]] and [[Mr. Thompson]] among others).

	Now, it's obvious that this problem will keep growing as the seasons keep coming (as we all hope they will ;) ). Therefore, my suggestion is that we sort the characters, not only by status but also be the seasons they have occured in, i.e. we create several new categories: {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Recurring Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Minor Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Supporting \|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Recurring Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Minor Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Supporting \|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Recurring Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Minor Characters\|red=true}}. The Season One Characters categories would then be categorized as subcategories in ~~[[:~~Category: Season One Characters]], and the same with the Season Two characters etc. Likewise would {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Supporting Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, become subcats under {{nowantedlink\|Category:Supporting Characters}}, and similar categorization would be done with the main, recurring and minor characters.		Now, it's obvious that this problem will keep growing as the seasons keep coming (as we all hope they will ;) ). Therefore, my suggestion is that we sort the characters, not only by status but also be the seasons they have occured in, i.e. we create several new categories: {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Recurring Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Minor Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Supporting \|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Recurring Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Minor Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Supporting \|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Recurring Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Minor Characters\|red=true}}. The Season One Characters categories would then be categorized as subcategories in Category: Season One Characters, and the same with the Season Two characters etc. Likewise would {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Supporting Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, become subcats under {{nowantedlink\|Category:Supporting Characters}}, and similar categorization would be done with the main, recurring and minor characters.

	As a result, a character like [[Ando]] would go into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Main Characters}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Main Characters\|red=true}}, [[Janice]] would be sorted into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Minor Characters\|red=true}} etc. So, actually, a bonus, the categorization of a character will also show how her or his involvement in the show has changed over the years.		As a result, a character like [[Ando]] would go into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Main Characters}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Main Characters\|red=true}}, [[Janice]] would be sorted into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Minor Characters\|red=true}} etc. So, actually, a bonus, the categorization of a character will also show how her or his involvement in the show has changed over the years.

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: fix links

2008-11-23T05:06:28Z

fix links

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	As a result, a character like [[Ando]] would go into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Main Characters}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Main Characters\|red=true}}, [[Janice]] would be sorted into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Minor Characters\|red=true}} etc. So, actually, a bonus, the categorization of a character will also show how her or his involvement in the show has changed over the years.		As a result, a character like [[Ando]] would go into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Main Characters}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Main Characters\|red=true}}, [[Janice]] would be sorted into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Minor Characters\|red=true}} etc. So, actually, a bonus, the categorization of a character will also show how her or his involvement in the show has changed over the years.

	This would also mean that no articles would be categorized directly into ~~[[:~~Category: Season One Characters]], ~~[[:~~Category: Season Two Characters]], ~~{{nowantedlink\|~~Category: Season Three Characters~~\|red=true}}~~, ~~[[:~~Category:Main Characters]], ~~{{nowantedlink\|:~~Category:Supporting Characters}}, ~~[[:~~Category:Recurring Characters]] or ~~[[:~~Category:Minor Characters]], which would only include the subcats.		This would also mean that no articles would be categorized directly into Category: Season One Characters, Category: Season Two Characters, Category: Season Three Characters, Category:Main Characters, Category:Supporting Characters, Category:Recurring Characters, or Category:Minor Characters, which would only include the subcats.

	Finally - the wish to find the characters that is ''currently'' apperearing as Supporting characters etc. would still be granted, as I propose that we leave the portals ([[Portal:Main Characters]] etc.) and templates ([[Template:Characternav]] with subtemplates) as they are.		Finally - the wish to find the characters that is ''currently'' apperearing as Supporting characters etc. would still be granted, as I propose that we leave the portals ([[Portal:Main Characters]] etc.) and templates ([[Template:Characternav]] with subtemplates) as they are.

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: one more

2008-10-31T00:27:04Z

one more

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	As a result, a character like [[Ando]] would go into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Main Characters}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Main Characters\|red=true}}, [[Janice]] would be sorted into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Minor Characters\|red=true}} etc. So, actually, a bonus, the categorization of a character will also show how her or his involvement in the show has changed over the years.		As a result, a character like [[Ando]] would go into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Main Characters}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Main Characters\|red=true}}, [[Janice]] would be sorted into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Minor Characters\|red=true}} etc. So, actually, a bonus, the categorization of a character will also show how her or his involvement in the show has changed over the years.

	This would also mean that no articles would be categorized directly into [[:Category: Season One Characters]], [[:Category: Season Two Characters]], {{nowantedlink\|Category: Season Three Characters\|red=true}}, [[:Category:Main Characters]], [[:Category:Supporting Characters]], [[:Category:Recurring Characters]] or [[:Category:Minor Characters]], which would only include the subcats.		This would also mean that no articles would be categorized directly into [[:Category: Season One Characters]], [[:Category: Season Two Characters]], {{nowantedlink\|Category: Season Three Characters\|red=true}}, [[:Category:Main Characters]], {{nowantedlink\|:Category:Supporting Characters}}, [[:Category:Recurring Characters]] or [[:Category:Minor Characters]], which would only include the subcats.

	Finally - the wish to find the characters that is ''currently'' apperearing as Supporting characters etc. would still be granted, as I propose that we leave the portals ([[Portal:Main Characters]] etc.) and templates ([[Template:Characternav]] with subtemplates) as they are.		Finally - the wish to find the characters that is ''currently'' apperearing as Supporting characters etc. would still be granted, as I propose that we leave the portals ([[Portal:Main Characters]] etc.) and templates ([[Template:Characternav]] with subtemplates) as they are.

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: not sure we're going to keep this category around

2008-10-31T00:26:10Z

not sure we're going to keep this category around

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	The categorization of the characters is becoming pretty messy. E.g. both [[Janice Parkman]] and [[D.L. Hawkins]] are listed as "minor characters", even though D.L. was a main character throughout season 1 and Janice is one of the non-main characters with the most appearances (10, tied with [[Bob Bishop]]). The reason for this obviously is that the characters is categorized by their status in the last season they occured in. This also results in that characters who didn't appeared at all during season two, but played a significant role during season one is listed as "supporting characters", even though they have made less apperances than e.g. Janice, (such characters include [[Eden McCain]], [[Audrey Hanson]] and [[Mr. Thompson]] among others).		The categorization of the characters is becoming pretty messy. E.g. both [[Janice Parkman]] and [[D.L. Hawkins]] are listed as "minor characters", even though D.L. was a main character throughout season 1 and Janice is one of the non-main characters with the most appearances (10, tied with [[Bob Bishop]]). The reason for this obviously is that the characters is categorized by their status in the last season they occured in. This also results in that characters who didn't appeared at all during season two, but played a significant role during season one is listed as "supporting characters", even though they have made less apperances than e.g. Janice, (such characters include [[Eden McCain]], [[Audrey Hanson]] and [[Mr. Thompson]] among others).

	Now, it's obvious that this problem will keep growing as the seasons keep coming (as we all hope they will ;) ). Therefore, my suggestion is that we sort the characters, not only by status but also be the seasons they have occured in, i.e. we create several new categories: {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Recurring Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Minor Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Supporting \|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Recurring Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Minor Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Supporting \|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Recurring Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Minor Characters\|red=true}}. The Season One Characters categories would then be categorized as subcategories in [[:Category: Season One Characters]], and the same with the Season Two characters etc. Likewise would {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Supporting Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, become subcats under ~~[[:~~Category:Supporting Characters]], and similar categorization would be done with the main, recurring and minor characters.		Now, it's obvious that this problem will keep growing as the seasons keep coming (as we all hope they will ;) ). Therefore, my suggestion is that we sort the characters, not only by status but also be the seasons they have occured in, i.e. we create several new categories: {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Recurring Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Minor Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Supporting \|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Recurring Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Minor Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Main Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Supporting \|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Recurring Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Minor Characters\|red=true}}. The Season One Characters categories would then be categorized as subcategories in [[:Category: Season One Characters]], and the same with the Season Two characters etc. Likewise would {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Supporting Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, become subcats under {{nowantedlink\|Category:Supporting Characters}}, and similar categorization would be done with the main, recurring and minor characters.

	As a result, a character like [[Ando]] would go into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Main Characters}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Main Characters\|red=true}}, [[Janice]] would be sorted into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Minor Characters\|red=true}} etc. So, actually, a bonus, the categorization of a character will also show how her or his involvement in the show has changed over the years.		As a result, a character like [[Ando]] would go into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}}, {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Main Characters}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Three Main Characters\|red=true}}, [[Janice]] would be sorted into {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season One Supporting Characters\|red=true}} and {{nowantedlink\|Category:Season Two Minor Characters\|red=true}} etc. So, actually, a bonus, the categorization of a character will also show how her or his involvement in the show has changed over the years.

imported>Pierre: /* Why change? */

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Why change?

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	** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a [[:Category:Minor Characters\|minor character]] since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a [[:Category:Main Characters\|main character]], and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a [[:Category:Minor Characters\|minor character]] since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a [[:Category:Main Characters\|main character]], and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
			****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

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	*Read my original post above, and hopefully my thoughts on the matter will be clear [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 13:45, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*Read my original post above, and hopefully my thoughts on the matter will be clear [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 13:45, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a minor character since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a main character, and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a minor character since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Season Two Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a main character, and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Season Two Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)		****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

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	*Read my original post above, and hopefully my thoughts on the matter will be clear [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 13:45, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*Read my original post above, and hopefully my thoughts on the matter will be clear [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 13:45, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a minor character since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a ~~[[:Category:Main Characters\|~~main character]], and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a minor character since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a main character, and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)		****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

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	*Read my original post above, and hopefully my thoughts on the matter will be clear [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 13:45, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*Read my original post above, and hopefully my thoughts on the matter will be clear [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 13:45, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a ~~[[:Category:Minor Characters\|~~minor character]] since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a [[:Category:Main Characters\|main character]], and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a minor character since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a [[:Category:Main Characters\|main character]], and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)		****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

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	** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		** My problem is how D.L. is a main character in season one and minor in season two, and Kaito being recurring in season one, but minor in season two. That kind of thing. It makes no sense to categorise a character into season two, if they have also been in season one. --[[User:DocM\|DocM]] 13:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
	*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a [[:Category:Minor Characters\|minor character]] since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a [[:Category:Main Characters\|main character]], and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)		*** I read Pierre's original post--it's not a matter of not understanding what is wanted so much as a matter of understanding why such a change would be necessary and how exactly one plans to go about it. I don't see anything wrong with listing [[D.L.]] as a [[:Category:Minor Characters\|minor character]] since he is now--[[Leonard Roberts]] is correctly categorized as a [[:Category:Former Principal Cast\|former principal actor]] as well as a [[:Category:Guest Stars\|guest star]], since, well, he was. [[Ando]] is no longer a recurring character, he is correctly labeled as a [[:Category:Main Characters\|main character]], and [[James Kyson Lee]] is correctly labeled as a member of the [[:Category:Principal Cast\|principal cast]]. I'm still not sure how any of that is an issue. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:15, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
			****Basically it depends on weather you regards the series as one entity, which I do - then DL is and will always be a min character of the show - or if you regard the most current episode/season as the most correct measurement as to what status a character have. Personally I've never understood the later view. Anyhow - since I'm not capable of changing anything, I'm off this discussion. I still think the current character categorization is a disaster, and one of the really big faults of a general pretty decent category tree. If there is a consensus to improve it, and I in any way can help, plz give me a nod at my talk page. [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 12:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)