Fan Creation talk:Clach - Revision history

imported>Radicell at 13:55, 28 February 2010

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imported>Radicell at 13:55, 28 February 2010

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	As this person seems to think that editing out one side of the Clach story is redundant, when it's not it's a sure sign of biasiness. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 12:19, 7 February 2007 (EST)		As this person seems to think that editing out one side of the Clach story is redundant, when it's not it's a sure sign of biasiness. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 12:19, 7 February 2007 (EST)

	::'''However, Zach never actually explicitly states that he is gay and if he's supposedly so out-and-proud (with such statements as "I know who I am and I like who I am..."''([[Homecoming]])''), then he probably would have told Claire more explicitly or at the very least Claire would've never had to ask if Zach was flirting with her, because she'd have known he was gay.'''		::'''However, Zach never actually explicitly states that he is gay and if he's supposedly so out-and-proud (with such statements as "I know who I am and I like who I am..."''([[Episode:Homecoming\|Homecoming]])''), then he probably would have told Claire more explicitly or at the very least Claire would've never had to ask if Zach was flirting with her, because she'd have known he was gay.'''
	:It's been confirmed he was meant to have been gay up until Godsend (as the last link confirms); trying to rationalize otherwise is redundant. Also, the article I posted (that you tried removing) said, "Cheerleader Claire's best buddy, Zach (Thomas Dekker), was created as a gay character, an outsider going through the 'coming out' process in parallel with Claire coming out as a person with super powers." So he was still in the closet; he wasn't "out-n-proud."		:It's been confirmed he was meant to have been gay up until Godsend (as the last link confirms); trying to rationalize otherwise is redundant. Also, the article I posted (that you tried removing) said, "Cheerleader Claire's best buddy, Zach (Thomas Dekker), was created as a gay character, an outsider going through the 'coming out' process in parallel with Claire coming out as a person with super powers." So he was still in the closet; he wasn't "out-n-proud."
	::'''In any case, Zach's sexual orientation has not yet been clarified on the show itself. However, many cheered when Claire laid out Jackie with one solid punch to the face.'''		::'''In any case, Zach's sexual orientation has not yet been clarified on the show itself. However, many cheered when Claire laid out Jackie with one solid punch to the face.'''

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: Talk:Clach moved to Fan Creation talk:Clach: move out of main namespace and into Fan Creation namespace

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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Claire and West */

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Claire and West

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	==Claire and West==		==Claire and West==
	I noticed that there isn't a page for the love interest shared between Claire and West. Think that it might be a good idea to start one? --[[User:Pinkkeith\|Pinkkeith]] 13:03, 13 December 2007 (EST)		I noticed that there isn't a page for the love interest shared between Claire and West. Think that it might be a good idea to start one? --[[User:Pinkkeith\|Pinkkeith]] 13:03, 13 December 2007 (EST)
			*Yeah, but "Waire" would you do it? (HA!) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:14, 13 December 2007 (EST)

imported>Pinkkeith at 18:03, 13 December 2007

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	***Your grammar changes were incorrect. There is no rule against starting sentences with prepositions, and "which remains a subject of controversy" is a proper subordinate clause, not a sentence fragment.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 18:48, 14 February 2007 (EST)		***Your grammar changes were incorrect. There is no rule against starting sentences with prepositions, and "which remains a subject of controversy" is a proper subordinate clause, not a sentence fragment.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 18:48, 14 February 2007 (EST)
	****Well, I do my best to remember that General HS English grammar rules and all. I am no good at no English no how. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 19:36, 14 February 2007 (EST)		****Well, I do my best to remember that General HS English grammar rules and all. I am no good at no English no how. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 19:36, 14 February 2007 (EST)
			==Claire and West==
			I noticed that there isn't a page for the love interest shared between Claire and West. Think that it might be a good idea to start one? --[[User:Pinkkeith\|Pinkkeith]] 13:03, 13 December 2007 (EST)

imported>Gargyloveswolfy: /* Terminology */

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Terminology

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	**I've made note of my changes to your changes. I don't see how you've re-constructed it to be a problem, but a few grammar things were dully noted in the history. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)		**I've made note of my changes to your changes. I don't see how you've re-constructed it to be a problem, but a few grammar things were dully noted in the history. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)
	***Your grammar changes were incorrect. There is no rule against starting sentences with prepositions, and "which remains a subject of controversy" is a proper subordinate clause, not a sentence fragment.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 18:48, 14 February 2007 (EST)		***Your grammar changes were incorrect. There is no rule against starting sentences with prepositions, and "which remains a subject of controversy" is a proper subordinate clause, not a sentence fragment.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 18:48, 14 February 2007 (EST)
			****Well, I do my best to remember that General HS English grammar rules and all. I am no good at no English no how. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 19:36, 14 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Hardvice at 23:48, 14 February 2007

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	*I made an attempt to get a very clear description of what we know concerning Zach's orientation. Originally text kept in comments. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 17:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)		*I made an attempt to get a very clear description of what we know concerning Zach's orientation. Originally text kept in comments. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 17:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)
	**I've made note of my changes to your changes. I don't see how you've re-constructed it to be a problem, but a few grammar things were dully noted in the history. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)		**I've made note of my changes to your changes. I don't see how you've re-constructed it to be a problem, but a few grammar things were dully noted in the history. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)
			***Your grammar changes were incorrect. There is no rule against starting sentences with prepositions, and "which remains a subject of controversy" is a proper subordinate clause, not a sentence fragment.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 18:48, 14 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Gargyloveswolfy: /* Terminology */

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Terminology

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	Gay vs. homosexuality. Since, Zach has never explicitily state his orientation. And, Tim Kring and others' have refered to Zach as being Claire's gay friend. I feel it's imperrative to use the term "gay" since it can imply both homosexuality and/or bi-sexuality. And since Clach-ers don't admantly disagree with Zach being "gay" as it could also being bi-sexual and still allow him to be with Claire. Whereas "his homosexuality is implied" says that he's 100% for being with men only and it's almost implying that Zach is canonically homosexual, and that's not being established. Thus, the changes to reflect the proper terminology. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:19, 14 February 2007 (EST)		Gay vs. homosexuality. Since, Zach has never explicitily state his orientation. And, Tim Kring and others' have refered to Zach as being Claire's gay friend. I feel it's imperrative to use the term "gay" since it can imply both homosexuality and/or bi-sexuality. And since Clach-ers don't admantly disagree with Zach being "gay" as it could also being bi-sexual and still allow him to be with Claire. Whereas "his homosexuality is implied" says that he's 100% for being with men only and it's almost implying that Zach is canonically homosexual, and that's not being established. Thus, the changes to reflect the proper terminology. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:19, 14 February 2007 (EST)
	*I made an attempt to get a very clear description of what we know concerning Zach's orientation. Originally text kept in comments. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 17:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)		*I made an attempt to get a very clear description of what we know concerning Zach's orientation. Originally text kept in comments. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 17:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)
			**I've made note of my changes to your changes. I don't see how you've re-constructed it to be a problem, but a few grammar things were dully noted in the history. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Ted C: /* Terminology */

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Terminology

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	Gay vs. homosexuality. Since, Zach has never explicitily state his orientation. And, Tim Kring and others' have refered to Zach as being Claire's gay friend. I feel it's imperrative to use the term "gay" since it can imply both homosexuality and/or bi-sexuality. And since Clach-ers don't admantly disagree with Zach being "gay" as it could also being bi-sexual and still allow him to be with Claire. Whereas "his homosexuality is implied" says that he's 100% for being with men only and it's almost implying that Zach is canonically homosexual, and that's not being established. Thus, the changes to reflect the proper terminology. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:19, 14 February 2007 (EST)		Gay vs. homosexuality. Since, Zach has never explicitily state his orientation. And, Tim Kring and others' have refered to Zach as being Claire's gay friend. I feel it's imperrative to use the term "gay" since it can imply both homosexuality and/or bi-sexuality. And since Clach-ers don't admantly disagree with Zach being "gay" as it could also being bi-sexual and still allow him to be with Claire. Whereas "his homosexuality is implied" says that he's 100% for being with men only and it's almost implying that Zach is canonically homosexual, and that's not being established. Thus, the changes to reflect the proper terminology. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:19, 14 February 2007 (EST)
			*I made an attempt to get a very clear description of what we know concerning Zach's orientation. Originally text kept in comments. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 17:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Gargyloveswolfy at 22:19, 14 February 2007

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	A link to the press release wasn't initially, and I never saw it added, in the original paragraph. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 16:59, 10 February 2007 (EST)		A link to the press release wasn't initially, and I never saw it added, in the original paragraph. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 16:59, 10 February 2007 (EST)
	* Actually, you are correct. It's quoted on the AfterElton link, which must be what I was thinking of. As it is, the paragraph sounds like the conflict was between Kring and Dekker, and that could be clearer. But yes, should the section grow back, a reference to the press release would be appropriate.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:03, 10 February 2007 (EST)		* Actually, you are correct. It's quoted on the AfterElton link, which must be what I was thinking of. As it is, the paragraph sounds like the conflict was between Kring and Dekker, and that could be clearer. But yes, should the section grow back, a reference to the press release would be appropriate.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:03, 10 February 2007 (EST)

			== Terminology ==

			Gay vs. homosexuality. Since, Zach has never explicitily state his orientation. And, Tim Kring and others' have refered to Zach as being Claire's gay friend. I feel it's imperrative to use the term "gay" since it can imply both homosexuality and/or bi-sexuality. And since Clach-ers don't admantly disagree with Zach being "gay" as it could also being bi-sexual and still allow him to be with Claire. Whereas "his homosexuality is implied" says that he's 100% for being with men only and it's almost implying that Zach is canonically homosexual, and that's not being established. Thus, the changes to reflect the proper terminology. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:19, 14 February 2007 (EST)

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	**I've made note of my changes to your changes. I don't see how you've re-constructed it to be a problem, but a few grammar things were dully noted in the history. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)		**I've made note of my changes to your changes. I don't see how you've re-constructed it to be a problem, but a few grammar things were dully noted in the history. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)
	***Your grammar changes were incorrect. There is no rule against starting sentences with prepositions, and "which remains a subject of controversy" is a proper subordinate clause, not a sentence fragment.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 18:48, 14 February 2007 (EST)		***Your grammar changes were incorrect. There is no rule against starting sentences with prepositions, and "which remains a subject of controversy" is a proper subordinate clause, not a sentence fragment.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 18:48, 14 February 2007 (EST)
			****Well, I do my best to remember that General HS English grammar rules and all. I am no good at no English no how. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 19:36, 14 February 2007 (EST)

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	*I made an attempt to get a very clear description of what we know concerning Zach's orientation. Originally text kept in comments. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 17:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)		*I made an attempt to get a very clear description of what we know concerning Zach's orientation. Originally text kept in comments. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 17:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)
	**I've made note of my changes to your changes. I don't see how you've re-constructed it to be a problem, but a few grammar things were dully noted in the history. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)		**I've made note of my changes to your changes. I don't see how you've re-constructed it to be a problem, but a few grammar things were dully noted in the history. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)
			***Your grammar changes were incorrect. There is no rule against starting sentences with prepositions, and "which remains a subject of controversy" is a proper subordinate clause, not a sentence fragment.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 18:48, 14 February 2007 (EST)

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	Gay vs. homosexuality. Since, Zach has never explicitily state his orientation. And, Tim Kring and others' have refered to Zach as being Claire's gay friend. I feel it's imperrative to use the term "gay" since it can imply both homosexuality and/or bi-sexuality. And since Clach-ers don't admantly disagree with Zach being "gay" as it could also being bi-sexual and still allow him to be with Claire. Whereas "his homosexuality is implied" says that he's 100% for being with men only and it's almost implying that Zach is canonically homosexual, and that's not being established. Thus, the changes to reflect the proper terminology. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:19, 14 February 2007 (EST)		Gay vs. homosexuality. Since, Zach has never explicitily state his orientation. And, Tim Kring and others' have refered to Zach as being Claire's gay friend. I feel it's imperrative to use the term "gay" since it can imply both homosexuality and/or bi-sexuality. And since Clach-ers don't admantly disagree with Zach being "gay" as it could also being bi-sexual and still allow him to be with Claire. Whereas "his homosexuality is implied" says that he's 100% for being with men only and it's almost implying that Zach is canonically homosexual, and that's not being established. Thus, the changes to reflect the proper terminology. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:19, 14 February 2007 (EST)
	*I made an attempt to get a very clear description of what we know concerning Zach's orientation. Originally text kept in comments. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 17:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)		*I made an attempt to get a very clear description of what we know concerning Zach's orientation. Originally text kept in comments. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 17:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)
			**I've made note of my changes to your changes. I don't see how you've re-constructed it to be a problem, but a few grammar things were dully noted in the history. --[[User:Gargyloveswolfy\|Gargyloveswolfy]] 17:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)