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Another dead woman

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	We have know since 6 main or reoccurring female characters die on heroes. Eden McCain, Elle Bishop, Niki Sanders, Daphne Millbrook, Candice Willmer and Lydia Strazzula. So the question has to be asked why so many when we have so few main female characters like Claire, Angela, Tracy and Gretchen? On the other hand, we have Peter, Sylar, Matt, Mohinder, Hiro, Ando and Noah as main male characters.		We have know since 6 main or reoccurring female characters die on heroes. Eden McCain, Elle Bishop, Niki Sanders, Daphne Millbrook, Candice Willmer and Lydia Strazzula. So the question has to be asked why so many when we have so few main female characters like Claire, Angela, Tracy and Gretchen? On the other hand, we have Peter, Sylar, Matt, Mohinder, Hiro, Ando and Noah as main male characters.
	--[[User:Blood69]] 8:53, 31 January 2009 (AEST)		--[[User:Blood69]] 8:53, 31 January 2009 (AEST)
			* Yes, you've mentioned that on several talk pages now. (Lydia's last name is unknown, though.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:04, 30 January 2010 (EST)

imported>Blood69 at 21:52, 30 January 2010

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	Besides Elle, though, I can't think of anything approaching sexual violence against men. I would argue that's more realistic, though. This isn't really the Women in Refrigerators trope, though, as Peter's suffering doesn't really go anywhere. It doesn't help her story arc, and is basically forgotten by season three. I imagine Elle Bishop should be a main subject in arguing about Heroes depicting violence against men, however. --[[User:Nogard\|Nogard]] 15:14, 3 November 2009 (EST)		Besides Elle, though, I can't think of anything approaching sexual violence against men. I would argue that's more realistic, though. This isn't really the Women in Refrigerators trope, though, as Peter's suffering doesn't really go anywhere. It doesn't help her story arc, and is basically forgotten by season three. I imagine Elle Bishop should be a main subject in arguing about Heroes depicting violence against men, however. --[[User:Nogard\|Nogard]] 15:14, 3 November 2009 (EST)

			== Another dead woman ==

			We have know since 6 main or reoccurring female characters die on heroes. Eden McCain, Elle Bishop, Niki Sanders, Daphne Millbrook, Candice Willmer and Lydia Strazzula. So the question has to be asked why so many when we have so few main female characters like Claire, Angela, Tracy and Gretchen? On the other hand, we have Peter, Sylar, Matt, Mohinder, Hiro, Ando and Noah as main male characters.
			--[[User:Blood69]] 8:53, 31 January 2009 (AEST)

imported>Nogard at 20:14, 3 November 2009

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	Yh and what about arthur.		Yh and what about arthur.

			== Elle Bishop ==

			I think Elle is the main example of sexual violence against men, or at least as close as there'll ever be. She is a sadist who objectifies men she's attracted to and torments them in a sexual manner. Her attraction to Peter involved treating him like her pet boyfriend, she explicitly said "he could be" a "toy", seemed to get off on electrifying him, and told him "You'll get used to it... and then you'll start to like it" with a seductive look. If you reversed the genders, making Elle a boy and Peter a girl, Elle the boy would seem ''so'' creepy and horrible. Think about it. She later tries a similar thing with Mohinder, going "He's adorable... Can I keep him?".

			Besides Elle, though, I can't think of anything approaching sexual violence against men. I would argue that's more realistic, though. This isn't really the Women in Refrigerators trope, though, as Peter's suffering doesn't really go anywhere. It doesn't help her story arc, and is basically forgotten by season three. I imagine Elle Bishop should be a main subject in arguing about Heroes depicting violence against men, however. --[[User:Nogard\|Nogard]] 15:14, 3 November 2009 (EST)

imported>ElleFanBoy at 06:39, 14 May 2009

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	*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)		*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)		****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come on, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it? --02:38, 14 May 2009 (EDT)~		*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come on, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it? --[[User:ElleFanBoy\|ElleFanBoy]] 02:39, 14 May 2009 (EDT)
	OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)		*OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)		*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)
	**Well, maybe that's part of the reason he's on the list: "Severely beaten by [[Jessica]], has no name" ... poor guy. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:10, 16 February 2007 (EST)		**Well, maybe that's part of the reason he's on the list: "Severely beaten by [[Jessica]], has no name" ... poor guy. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:10, 16 February 2007 (EST)

imported>ElleFanBoy at 06:38, 14 May 2009

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	*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)		*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)		****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come on, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it?		*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come on, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it? --02:38, 14 May 2009 (EDT)~
	OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)		OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)		*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)

imported>ElleFanBoy at 22:13, 23 April 2009

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	*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)		*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)		****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come ~~one~~, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it?		*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come on, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it?
	OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)		OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)		*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)

imported>ElleFanBoy at 22:12, 23 April 2009

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	*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)		*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)		****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)
		⚫	*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come one, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it?
	OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)		OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)
⚫	*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come one, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the [[mental manipulation]], but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it?
	*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)		*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)
	**Well, maybe that's part of the reason he's on the list: "Severely beaten by [[Jessica]], has no name" ... poor guy. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:10, 16 February 2007 (EST)		**Well, maybe that's part of the reason he's on the list: "Severely beaten by [[Jessica]], has no name" ... poor guy. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:10, 16 February 2007 (EST)

imported>ElleFanBoy at 22:11, 23 April 2009

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	****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)		****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)		OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)
			*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come one, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the [[mental manipulation]], but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it?
	*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)		*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)
	**Well, maybe that's part of the reason he's on the list: "Severely beaten by [[Jessica]], has no name" ... poor guy. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:10, 16 February 2007 (EST)		**Well, maybe that's part of the reason he's on the list: "Severely beaten by [[Jessica]], has no name" ... poor guy. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:10, 16 February 2007 (EST)

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	*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)		*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)		****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come on, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it? --02:38, 14 May 2009 (EDT)~		*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come on, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it? --[[User:ElleFanBoy\|ElleFanBoy]] 02:39, 14 May 2009 (EDT)
	OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)		*OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)		*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)
	**Well, maybe that's part of the reason he's on the list: "Severely beaten by [[Jessica]], has no name" ... poor guy. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:10, 16 February 2007 (EST)		**Well, maybe that's part of the reason he's on the list: "Severely beaten by [[Jessica]], has no name" ... poor guy. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:10, 16 February 2007 (EST)

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	*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)		*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)		****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come on, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it?		*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come on, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it? --02:38, 14 May 2009 (EDT)~
	OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)		OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)		*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)

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	*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)		*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)		****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come ~~one~~, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it?		*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come on, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it?
	OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)		OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)		*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)

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	*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)		*** I think you did a good job, and the page looks much better and is more in keeping with the original. The only one I might take issue with is Hana ... arguably, since it made her a revenge-obsessed psycho, the suicide attack ''díd'' have a lasting effect. Also, I just think it's notable that none of her male relatives died ... why her mother and grandmother, and not her mother and father?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)		****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)
		⚫	*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come one, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the mental manipulation, but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it?
	OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)		OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)
⚫	*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come one, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the [[mental manipulation]], but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it?
	*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)		*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)
	**Well, maybe that's part of the reason he's on the list: "Severely beaten by [[Jessica]], has no name" ... poor guy. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:10, 16 February 2007 (EST)		**Well, maybe that's part of the reason he's on the list: "Severely beaten by [[Jessica]], has no name" ... poor guy. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:10, 16 February 2007 (EST)

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	****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)		****Went after those specific points in an updated version. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)		OK, I won't argue about the broken-nosed guard. I suppose he exists specifically to be example of Jessica's violent tendencies. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)
			*If not the characters who are victim to minor assault (like being punched in the face or whatever), can we at least gid rid of the ones who aren't even assaulted at all? I mean Sabine's listing says "tricked by the Company, lied to by Hartsdale duplicate, witnessed Julien Dumont's death". Really? She's a victim here? That's a little ridiculus. And come one, Zach's says "brainwashed by order of Mr. Bennet, teased by Jackie Wilcox". Ok, maybe the [[mental manipulation]], but being teased by an annoying bitch doesn't really make someone a victim, does it?
	*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)		*I take it back, I will argue about the guard. He is now the only un-named character on the whole page, and that bothers me. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)
	**Well, maybe that's part of the reason he's on the list: "Severely beaten by [[Jessica]], has no name" ... poor guy. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:10, 16 February 2007 (EST)		**Well, maybe that's part of the reason he's on the list: "Severely beaten by [[Jessica]], has no name" ... poor guy. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:10, 16 February 2007 (EST)