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	** Even in print, there is not a clear distinction between graphic novels and comics. Graphic novels are supposed to be bigger, have different binding, and have more content, but the terms are frequently used interchangeably, often with graphic novel being used just to sound more sophisticated. These are called comics by most sources, as that is what they are, as were the old ones. There is not significant difference, except maybe you pay for these. I think it should be kept as a "Graphic Novel:" as it is an already established namespace, and changing all of them to "Comic:" would be a huge hassle. The term was never quite accurate, but it was "official". I, my opinion it would not be worth having "Comic:" for just these, it would also be inverse relative to "Graphic Novel:" (comic is not quite accurate either, as most are not funny). I think we should keep a separate page for each issue, as they have different release dates, different histories, and will most likely have individual stories {{--}} even if they don't, we normally have the parts separate. Changing to "[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Issue 1]]", etc. could be appropriate. As for the numbering, and "previous", etc., it should be handled consistent with how we do ''[[Heroes]]'' and ''[[Heroes: Reborn]]''. -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 13:13, 14 October 2015 (EDT)		** Even in print, there is not a clear distinction between graphic novels and comics. Graphic novels are supposed to be bigger, have different binding, and have more content, but the terms are frequently used interchangeably, often with graphic novel being used just to sound more sophisticated. These are called comics by most sources, as that is what they are, as were the old ones. There is not significant difference, except maybe you pay for these. I think it should be kept as a "Graphic Novel:" as it is an already established namespace, and changing all of them to "Comic:" would be a huge hassle. The term was never quite accurate, but it was "official". I, my opinion it would not be worth having "Comic:" for just these, it would also be inverse relative to "Graphic Novel:" (comic is not quite accurate either, as most are not funny). I think we should keep a separate page for each issue, as they have different release dates, different histories, and will most likely have individual stories {{--}} even if they don't, we normally have the parts separate. Changing to "[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Issue 1]]", etc. could be appropriate. As for the numbering, and "previous", etc., it should be handled consistent with how we do ''[[Heroes]]'' and ''[[Heroes: Reborn]]''. -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 13:13, 14 October 2015 (EDT)
	*** Agree on all points, including a move to ''Vengeance, Issue 1''. (That would also mean quite a few changes throughout the wiki, but that's doable.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:43, 14 October 2015 (EDT)		*** Agree on all points, including a move to ''Vengeance, Issue 1''. (That would also mean quite a few changes throughout the wiki, but that's doable.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:43, 14 October 2015 (EDT)
	The creation of a comic namespace just for ''Vengeance'' would probably not be worth it... we don't even know if there will be any future comics released beside this series (which will only consist of six parts, by the way). For the longest time, [[Saving Charlie]] was the only ''Heroes'' book, so it existed in the Promotions namespace instead of a Book namespace, which I think did the job. I also think the current name (Vengeance, Part 1) is fine, since Vengeance is being released in parts online, just like almost every other ''Heroes'' graphic novel released. The only difference is that Vengeance is also being released in physical form, but then again we have the [[Graphic Novel ~~Collections~~]], which were too. Most of the graphic novel pages on this wiki follow the "Part #" naming convention instead of "Issue #", so I see no reason to change that... there's not much difference in meaning between the two phrases in this context anyway. -[[User:Kon\|Kon]] ([[User talk:Kon\|talk]]) 14:04, 14 October 2015 (EDT)		The creation of a comic namespace just for ''Vengeance'' would probably not be worth it... we don't even know if there will be any future comics released beside this series (which will only consist of six parts, by the way). For the longest time, [[Saving Charlie]] was the only ''Heroes'' book, so it existed in the Promotions namespace instead of a Book namespace, which I think did the job. I also think the current name (Vengeance, Part 1) is fine, since Vengeance is being released in parts online, just like almost every other ''Heroes'' graphic novel released. The only difference is that Vengeance is also being released in physical form, but then again we have the [[Graphic Novel Collection]]s, which were too. Most of the graphic novel pages on this wiki follow the "Part #" naming convention instead of "Issue #", so I see no reason to change that... there's not much difference in meaning between the two phrases in this context anyway. -[[User:Kon\|Kon]] ([[User talk:Kon\|talk]]) 14:04, 14 October 2015 (EDT)

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	** Even in print, there is not a clear distinction between graphic novels and comics. Graphic novels are supposed to be bigger, have different binding, and have more content, but the terms are frequently used interchangeably, often with graphic novel being used just to sound more sophisticated. These are called comics by most sources, as that is what they are, as were the old ones. There is not significant difference, except maybe you pay for these. I think it should be kept as a "Graphic Novel:" as it is an already established namespace, and changing all of them to "Comic:" would be a huge hassle. The term was never quite accurate, but it was "official". I, my opinion it would not be worth having "Comic:" for just these, it would also be inverse relative to "Graphic Novel:" (comic is not quite accurate either, as most are not funny). I think we should keep a separate page for each issue, as they have different release dates, different histories, and will most likely have individual stories {{--}} even if they don't, we normally have the parts separate. Changing to "[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Issue 1]]", etc. could be appropriate. As for the numbering, and "previous", etc., it should be handled consistent with how we do ''[[Heroes]]'' and ''[[Heroes: Reborn]]''. -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 13:13, 14 October 2015 (EDT)		** Even in print, there is not a clear distinction between graphic novels and comics. Graphic novels are supposed to be bigger, have different binding, and have more content, but the terms are frequently used interchangeably, often with graphic novel being used just to sound more sophisticated. These are called comics by most sources, as that is what they are, as were the old ones. There is not significant difference, except maybe you pay for these. I think it should be kept as a "Graphic Novel:" as it is an already established namespace, and changing all of them to "Comic:" would be a huge hassle. The term was never quite accurate, but it was "official". I, my opinion it would not be worth having "Comic:" for just these, it would also be inverse relative to "Graphic Novel:" (comic is not quite accurate either, as most are not funny). I think we should keep a separate page for each issue, as they have different release dates, different histories, and will most likely have individual stories {{--}} even if they don't, we normally have the parts separate. Changing to "[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Issue 1]]", etc. could be appropriate. As for the numbering, and "previous", etc., it should be handled consistent with how we do ''[[Heroes]]'' and ''[[Heroes: Reborn]]''. -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 13:13, 14 October 2015 (EDT)
	*** Agree on all points, including a move to ''Vengeance, Issue 1''. (That would also mean quite a few changes throughout the wiki, but that's doable.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:43, 14 October 2015 (EDT)		*** Agree on all points, including a move to ''Vengeance, Issue 1''. (That would also mean quite a few changes throughout the wiki, but that's doable.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:43, 14 October 2015 (EDT)
			The creation of a comic namespace just for ''Vengeance'' would probably not be worth it... we don't even know if there will be any future comics released beside this series (which will only consist of six parts, by the way). For the longest time, [[Saving Charlie]] was the only ''Heroes'' book, so it existed in the Promotions namespace instead of a Book namespace, which I think did the job. I also think the current name (Vengeance, Part 1) is fine, since Vengeance is being released in parts online, just like almost every other ''Heroes'' graphic novel released. The only difference is that Vengeance is also being released in physical form, but then again we have the [[Graphic Novel Collections]], which were too. Most of the graphic novel pages on this wiki follow the "Part #" naming convention instead of "Issue #", so I see no reason to change that... there's not much difference in meaning between the two phrases in this context anyway. -[[User:Kon\|Kon]] ([[User talk:Kon\|talk]]) 14:04, 14 October 2015 (EDT)

	== Spoilers? ==		== Spoilers? ==

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	* Thanks. I didn't realize the red and white was the ashcan cover. (I'm not a comics guy, so that's a new term to me, too.) I moved the ashcan cover to the previews section since they kind of go together. I also added a section noting the cover for issue 2 (I don't have the red one uploaded, just a white one -- where does that come from??) and the excerpt from ''[[A Matter of Trust]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:54, 14 October 2015 (EDT)		* Thanks. I didn't realize the red and white was the ashcan cover. (I'm not a comics guy, so that's a new term to me, too.) I moved the ashcan cover to the previews section since they kind of go together. I also added a section noting the cover for issue 2 (I don't have the red one uploaded, just a white one -- where does that come from??) and the excerpt from ''[[A Matter of Trust]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:54, 14 October 2015 (EDT)
	** Even in print, there is not a clear distinction between graphic novels and comics. Graphic novels are supposed to be bigger, have different binding, and have more content, but the terms are frequently used interchangeably, often with graphic novel being used just to sound more sophisticated. These are called comics by most sources, as that is what they are, as were the old ones. There is not significant difference, except maybe you pay for these. I think it should be kept as a "Graphic Novel:" as it is an already established namespace, and changing all of them to "Comic:" would be a huge hassle. The term was never quite accurate, but it was "official". I, my opinion it would not be worth having "Comic:" for just these, it would also be inverse relative to "Graphic Novel:" (comic is not quite accurate either, as most are not funny). I think we should keep a separate page for each issue, as they have different release dates, different histories, and will most likely have individual stories {{--}} even if they don't, we normally have the parts separate. Changing to "[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Issue 1]]", etc. could be appropriate. As for the numbering, and "previous", etc., it should be handled consistent with how we do ''[[Heroes]]'' and ''[[Heroes: Reborn]]''. -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 13:13, 14 October 2015 (EDT)		** Even in print, there is not a clear distinction between graphic novels and comics. Graphic novels are supposed to be bigger, have different binding, and have more content, but the terms are frequently used interchangeably, often with graphic novel being used just to sound more sophisticated. These are called comics by most sources, as that is what they are, as were the old ones. There is not significant difference, except maybe you pay for these. I think it should be kept as a "Graphic Novel:" as it is an already established namespace, and changing all of them to "Comic:" would be a huge hassle. The term was never quite accurate, but it was "official". I, my opinion it would not be worth having "Comic:" for just these, it would also be inverse relative to "Graphic Novel:" (comic is not quite accurate either, as most are not funny). I think we should keep a separate page for each issue, as they have different release dates, different histories, and will most likely have individual stories {{--}} even if they don't, we normally have the parts separate. Changing to "[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Issue 1]]", etc. could be appropriate. As for the numbering, and "previous", etc., it should be handled consistent with how we do ''[[Heroes]]'' and ''[[Heroes: Reborn]]''. -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 13:13, 14 October 2015 (EDT)
			*** Agree on all points, including a move to ''Vengeance, Issue 1''. (That would also mean quite a few changes throughout the wiki, but that's doable.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:43, 14 October 2015 (EDT)

	== Spoilers? ==		== Spoilers? ==

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	** Thanks! The reason that I would call these "comics" as opposed to "graphic novels" is because they are different from the graphic novels posted on nbc.com during the original series run. The ''Vengeance'' comics are actual 32-page full comic book issues that you can purchase at the comic book store as opposed to shorter ~6-11-page comics only available individually online, and the ''Vengeance'' comics are published by [http://titan-comics.com/c/356-heroes/ Titan Comics] (who call them "comics" on their site). I have not seen any place call these particular comic books "graphic novels" the way that NBC called their comics "graphic novels". <p>I was thinking that it may make sense to put all five ''Vengeance'' comics on the same page as well, but in my opinion the title box should not say "Issue #: 174" nor should it say "Previous: From the Files of Primatech, Part 8". These ''Vengeance'' comics are different from the 173+ chapters of graphic novels from the original run. If the # gives too much trouble, perhaps where it says "Issue" in the box on the right, it should say "Issue: 01", as that is what the issue is titled on the front cover (#01). Using the word "Part" like "''Vengeance'', Part 1" is (again, my opinion) forcing the word "part" in the title when nowhere on or in the comic, nor anywhere else online does the comic say "Part X". It made sense for the NBC graphic novels, since (I think) all of them said "Part 1, 2, 3..." on one of the pages of the actual graphic novel. <p>Also, I may have not properly worded it before, but the [http://heroeswiki.com/images/1/17/Vengeance.jpg red and white cover by Paul Pope] is actually the cover for the [http://www.amazon.com/SDCC-2015-Exclusive-NBC-Heroes/dp/B0120XF8LA ashcan] comic given out at San Diego Comic Con 2015. I had to look up the word [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcan_copy "ashcan" on Wikipedia: In modern comics, ashcan editions may refer to promotional comics in the independent/self-publishing market. The term is sometimes synonymous with minicomics or special variants.] This ''Vengeance'' ashcan comic includes six pages from ''Vengeance'' #01, in black and white (like the three images in the "Previews" section), as well as the "A Brave New World" article from the first issue of ''Heroes Reborn: Event Series — The Official Magazine''. If this idea of having all of the ''Vengeance'' comics on one page (as opposed to five separate pages) caught on, then I think that a special section toward the bottom of the article should be titled "Ashcan" with the current red and white cover image and a brief summary of when/where it was released and what it contains. If the "all ''Vengeance'' comics on the same ''Vengeance'' page" idea does not become a reality, then perhaps the same kind of "Ashcan" section should go on the bottom of the page for Issue #01. (Being unfamiliar with the term, I wondered if "ashcan" could be used as a standalone word; [http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/paul-pope-covers-titan-comics-sdcc-exclusive-heroes-ashcan apparently it can]). <p> Also, I mentioned on the [[Talk:EBook\|eBook Talk page]] that I was disappointed about the delay of the second eBook, ''A Matter of Trust'', but I forgot to mention that three of the pages in Issue #01 of ''Vengeance'' give an "EBOOK EXCERPT" from ''A Matter of Trust''. The inside cover of the comic teases about the excerpt: "Plus: Exclusive Father Mauricio short story!" When I read that before flipping to the back, I had no idea what to expect. {{Unsigned\|Heroes360\|14 October 2015}}		** Thanks! The reason that I would call these "comics" as opposed to "graphic novels" is because they are different from the graphic novels posted on nbc.com during the original series run. The ''Vengeance'' comics are actual 32-page full comic book issues that you can purchase at the comic book store as opposed to shorter ~6-11-page comics only available individually online, and the ''Vengeance'' comics are published by [http://titan-comics.com/c/356-heroes/ Titan Comics] (who call them "comics" on their site). I have not seen any place call these particular comic books "graphic novels" the way that NBC called their comics "graphic novels". <p>I was thinking that it may make sense to put all five ''Vengeance'' comics on the same page as well, but in my opinion the title box should not say "Issue #: 174" nor should it say "Previous: From the Files of Primatech, Part 8". These ''Vengeance'' comics are different from the 173+ chapters of graphic novels from the original run. If the # gives too much trouble, perhaps where it says "Issue" in the box on the right, it should say "Issue: 01", as that is what the issue is titled on the front cover (#01). Using the word "Part" like "''Vengeance'', Part 1" is (again, my opinion) forcing the word "part" in the title when nowhere on or in the comic, nor anywhere else online does the comic say "Part X". It made sense for the NBC graphic novels, since (I think) all of them said "Part 1, 2, 3..." on one of the pages of the actual graphic novel. <p>Also, I may have not properly worded it before, but the [http://heroeswiki.com/images/1/17/Vengeance.jpg red and white cover by Paul Pope] is actually the cover for the [http://www.amazon.com/SDCC-2015-Exclusive-NBC-Heroes/dp/B0120XF8LA ashcan] comic given out at San Diego Comic Con 2015. I had to look up the word [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcan_copy "ashcan" on Wikipedia: In modern comics, ashcan editions may refer to promotional comics in the independent/self-publishing market. The term is sometimes synonymous with minicomics or special variants.] This ''Vengeance'' ashcan comic includes six pages from ''Vengeance'' #01, in black and white (like the three images in the "Previews" section), as well as the "A Brave New World" article from the first issue of ''Heroes Reborn: Event Series — The Official Magazine''. If this idea of having all of the ''Vengeance'' comics on one page (as opposed to five separate pages) caught on, then I think that a special section toward the bottom of the article should be titled "Ashcan" with the current red and white cover image and a brief summary of when/where it was released and what it contains. If the "all ''Vengeance'' comics on the same ''Vengeance'' page" idea does not become a reality, then perhaps the same kind of "Ashcan" section should go on the bottom of the page for Issue #01. (Being unfamiliar with the term, I wondered if "ashcan" could be used as a standalone word; [http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/paul-pope-covers-titan-comics-sdcc-exclusive-heroes-ashcan apparently it can]). <p> Also, I mentioned on the [[Talk:EBook\|eBook Talk page]] that I was disappointed about the delay of the second eBook, ''A Matter of Trust'', but I forgot to mention that three of the pages in Issue #01 of ''Vengeance'' give an "EBOOK EXCERPT" from ''A Matter of Trust''. The inside cover of the comic teases about the excerpt: "Plus: Exclusive Father Mauricio short story!" When I read that before flipping to the back, I had no idea what to expect. {{Unsigned\|Heroes360\|14 October 2015}}
	* Thanks. I didn't realize the red and white was the ashcan cover. (I'm not a comics guy, so that's a new term to me, too.) I moved the ashcan cover to the previews section since they kind of go together. I also added a section noting the cover for issue 2 (I don't have the red one uploaded, just a white one -- where does that come from??) and the excerpt from ''[[A Matter of Trust]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:54, 14 October 2015 (EDT)		* Thanks. I didn't realize the red and white was the ashcan cover. (I'm not a comics guy, so that's a new term to me, too.) I moved the ashcan cover to the previews section since they kind of go together. I also added a section noting the cover for issue 2 (I don't have the red one uploaded, just a white one -- where does that come from??) and the excerpt from ''[[A Matter of Trust]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:54, 14 October 2015 (EDT)
			** Even in print, there is not a clear distinction between graphic novels and comics. Graphic novels are supposed to be bigger, have different binding, and have more content, but the terms are frequently used interchangeably, often with graphic novel being used just to sound more sophisticated. These are called comics by most sources, as that is what they are, as were the old ones. There is not significant difference, except maybe you pay for these. I think it should be kept as a "Graphic Novel:" as it is an already established namespace, and changing all of them to "Comic:" would be a huge hassle. The term was never quite accurate, but it was "official". I, my opinion it would not be worth having "Comic:" for just these, it would also be inverse relative to "Graphic Novel:" (comic is not quite accurate either, as most are not funny). I think we should keep a separate page for each issue, as they have different release dates, different histories, and will most likely have individual stories {{--}} even if they don't, we normally have the parts separate. Changing to "[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Issue 1]]", etc. could be appropriate. As for the numbering, and "previous", etc., it should be handled consistent with how we do ''[[Heroes]]'' and ''[[Heroes: Reborn]]''. -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 13:13, 14 October 2015 (EDT)

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	* Hey, Heroes360. Great stuff, as always! A few responses... I'm hesitant to call this a "comic" as opposed to a "graphic novel". Would it be to distinguish it from the previous graphic novels, or because you think they should all be called comics?<p>We have a problem at the wiki when we name things with pound signs in the title. I think for our naming purposes, it'll be fine to say "Part 1". Plus, it follows the same format as most of the previous issues ''Heroes'' has put out. But thanks for the suggestion. <p>Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation of the covers. I was getting all the covers from different spots, so it was hard to tell what came from where, or which ones were even created by different artists. This is very helpful. After I fix it up, let me know if there's something that needs to be fixed. Or feel free to make the change yourself if you want. :) <p> I also ignored the blank white cover. I really thought that was an "in the process of" cover, not an actual cover. Good to know! (Reminds me of The White Album from The Beatles.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:43, 13 October 2015 (EDT)		* Hey, Heroes360. Great stuff, as always! A few responses... I'm hesitant to call this a "comic" as opposed to a "graphic novel". Would it be to distinguish it from the previous graphic novels, or because you think they should all be called comics?<p>We have a problem at the wiki when we name things with pound signs in the title. I think for our naming purposes, it'll be fine to say "Part 1". Plus, it follows the same format as most of the previous issues ''Heroes'' has put out. But thanks for the suggestion. <p>Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation of the covers. I was getting all the covers from different spots, so it was hard to tell what came from where, or which ones were even created by different artists. This is very helpful. After I fix it up, let me know if there's something that needs to be fixed. Or feel free to make the change yourself if you want. :) <p> I also ignored the blank white cover. I really thought that was an "in the process of" cover, not an actual cover. Good to know! (Reminds me of The White Album from The Beatles.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:43, 13 October 2015 (EDT)
	** Thanks! The reason that I would call these "comics" as opposed to "graphic novels" is because they are different from the graphic novels posted on nbc.com during the original series run. The ''Vengeance'' comics are actual 32-page full comic book issues that you can purchase at the comic book store as opposed to shorter ~6-11-page comics only available individually online, and the ''Vengeance'' comics are published by [http://titan-comics.com/c/356-heroes/ Titan Comics] (who call them "comics" on their site). I have not seen any place call these particular comic books "graphic novels" the way that NBC called their comics "graphic novels". <p>I was thinking that it may make sense to put all five ''Vengeance'' comics on the same page as well, but in my opinion the title box should not say "Issue #: 174" nor should it say "Previous: From the Files of Primatech, Part 8". These ''Vengeance'' comics are different from the 173+ chapters of graphic novels from the original run. If the # gives too much trouble, perhaps where it says "Issue" in the box on the right, it should say "Issue: 01", as that is what the issue is titled on the front cover (#01). Using the word "Part" like "''Vengeance'', Part 1" is (again, my opinion) forcing the word "part" in the title when nowhere on or in the comic, nor anywhere else online does the comic say "Part X". It made sense for the NBC graphic novels, since (I think) all of them said "Part 1, 2, 3..." on one of the pages of the actual graphic novel. <p>Also, I may have not properly worded it before, but the [http://heroeswiki.com/images/1/17/Vengeance.jpg red and white cover by Paul Pope] is actually the cover for the [http://www.amazon.com/SDCC-2015-Exclusive-NBC-Heroes/dp/B0120XF8LA ashcan] comic given out at San Diego Comic Con 2015. I had to look up the word [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcan_copy "ashcan" on Wikipedia: In modern comics, ashcan editions may refer to promotional comics in the independent/self-publishing market. The term is sometimes synonymous with minicomics or special variants.] This ''Vengeance'' ashcan comic includes six pages from ''Vengeance'' #01, in black and white (like the three images in the "Previews" section), as well as the "A Brave New World" article from the first issue of ''Heroes Reborn: Event Series — The Official Magazine''. If this idea of having all of the ''Vengeance'' comics on one page (as opposed to five separate pages) caught on, then I think that a special section toward the bottom of the article should be titled "Ashcan" with the current red and white cover image and a brief summary of when/where it was released and what it contains. If the "all ''Vengeance'' comics on the same ''Vengeance'' page" idea does not become a reality, then perhaps the same kind of "Ashcan" section should go on the bottom of the page for Issue #01. (Being unfamiliar with the term, I wondered if "ashcan" could be used as a standalone word; [http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/paul-pope-covers-titan-comics-sdcc-exclusive-heroes-ashcan apparently it can]). <p> Also, I mentioned on the [[Talk:EBook\|eBook Talk page]] that I was disappointed about the delay of the second eBook, ''A Matter of Trust'', but I forgot to mention that three of the pages in Issue #01 of ''Vengeance'' give an "EBOOK EXCERPT" from ''A Matter of Trust''. The inside cover of the comic teases about the excerpt: "Plus: Exclusive Father Mauricio short story!" When I read that before flipping to the back, I had no idea what to expect. {{Unsigned\|Heroes360\|14 October 2015}}		** Thanks! The reason that I would call these "comics" as opposed to "graphic novels" is because they are different from the graphic novels posted on nbc.com during the original series run. The ''Vengeance'' comics are actual 32-page full comic book issues that you can purchase at the comic book store as opposed to shorter ~6-11-page comics only available individually online, and the ''Vengeance'' comics are published by [http://titan-comics.com/c/356-heroes/ Titan Comics] (who call them "comics" on their site). I have not seen any place call these particular comic books "graphic novels" the way that NBC called their comics "graphic novels". <p>I was thinking that it may make sense to put all five ''Vengeance'' comics on the same page as well, but in my opinion the title box should not say "Issue #: 174" nor should it say "Previous: From the Files of Primatech, Part 8". These ''Vengeance'' comics are different from the 173+ chapters of graphic novels from the original run. If the # gives too much trouble, perhaps where it says "Issue" in the box on the right, it should say "Issue: 01", as that is what the issue is titled on the front cover (#01). Using the word "Part" like "''Vengeance'', Part 1" is (again, my opinion) forcing the word "part" in the title when nowhere on or in the comic, nor anywhere else online does the comic say "Part X". It made sense for the NBC graphic novels, since (I think) all of them said "Part 1, 2, 3..." on one of the pages of the actual graphic novel. <p>Also, I may have not properly worded it before, but the [http://heroeswiki.com/images/1/17/Vengeance.jpg red and white cover by Paul Pope] is actually the cover for the [http://www.amazon.com/SDCC-2015-Exclusive-NBC-Heroes/dp/B0120XF8LA ashcan] comic given out at San Diego Comic Con 2015. I had to look up the word [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcan_copy "ashcan" on Wikipedia: In modern comics, ashcan editions may refer to promotional comics in the independent/self-publishing market. The term is sometimes synonymous with minicomics or special variants.] This ''Vengeance'' ashcan comic includes six pages from ''Vengeance'' #01, in black and white (like the three images in the "Previews" section), as well as the "A Brave New World" article from the first issue of ''Heroes Reborn: Event Series — The Official Magazine''. If this idea of having all of the ''Vengeance'' comics on one page (as opposed to five separate pages) caught on, then I think that a special section toward the bottom of the article should be titled "Ashcan" with the current red and white cover image and a brief summary of when/where it was released and what it contains. If the "all ''Vengeance'' comics on the same ''Vengeance'' page" idea does not become a reality, then perhaps the same kind of "Ashcan" section should go on the bottom of the page for Issue #01. (Being unfamiliar with the term, I wondered if "ashcan" could be used as a standalone word; [http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/paul-pope-covers-titan-comics-sdcc-exclusive-heroes-ashcan apparently it can]). <p> Also, I mentioned on the [[Talk:EBook\|eBook Talk page]] that I was disappointed about the delay of the second eBook, ''A Matter of Trust'', but I forgot to mention that three of the pages in Issue #01 of ''Vengeance'' give an "EBOOK EXCERPT" from ''A Matter of Trust''. The inside cover of the comic teases about the excerpt: "Plus: Exclusive Father Mauricio short story!" When I read that before flipping to the back, I had no idea what to expect. {{Unsigned\|Heroes360\|14 October 2015}}
			* Thanks. I didn't realize the red and white was the ashcan cover. (I'm not a comics guy, so that's a new term to me, too.) I moved the ashcan cover to the previews section since they kind of go together. I also added a section noting the cover for issue 2 (I don't have the red one uploaded, just a white one -- where does that come from??) and the excerpt from ''[[A Matter of Trust]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:54, 14 October 2015 (EDT)

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imported>Kon: signing

2015-10-14T05:45:14Z

signing

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	:::The other seven covers are all exclusive to the particular retailers and do not have "Cover X of X" on the front. Here are some other links of possible interest. Larry's Comics page for the [http://www.larryscomics.net/product/heroes-vengeance-1/ color cover] and for the [http://www.larryscomics.net/product/heroes-vengeance-1-bw/ black and white cover] (black and white limited to 500). The Books-A-Millions [http://www.booksamillion.com/p/Heroes-Vengeance/Rian-Hughes/9781492478430 cover]. The Forbidden Planet [https://forbiddenplanet.com/149246-heroes-vengeance-1-forbidden-planetjetpack-variant/ cover]. [https://www.facebook.com/Gifts-For-The-Geek-189514185354/timeline/ A post] on October 7, 2015 on the Gifts for the Geek Facebook page says that their exclusive cover is limited to 1000. --[[User:Heroes360\|Heroes360]] ([[User talk:Heroes360\|talk]]) 22:06, 12 October 2015 (EDT)		:::The other seven covers are all exclusive to the particular retailers and do not have "Cover X of X" on the front. Here are some other links of possible interest. Larry's Comics page for the [http://www.larryscomics.net/product/heroes-vengeance-1/ color cover] and for the [http://www.larryscomics.net/product/heroes-vengeance-1-bw/ black and white cover] (black and white limited to 500). The Books-A-Millions [http://www.booksamillion.com/p/Heroes-Vengeance/Rian-Hughes/9781492478430 cover]. The Forbidden Planet [https://forbiddenplanet.com/149246-heroes-vengeance-1-forbidden-planetjetpack-variant/ cover]. [https://www.facebook.com/Gifts-For-The-Geek-189514185354/timeline/ A post] on October 7, 2015 on the Gifts for the Geek Facebook page says that their exclusive cover is limited to 1000. --[[User:Heroes360\|Heroes360]] ([[User talk:Heroes360\|talk]]) 22:06, 12 October 2015 (EDT)
	* Hey, Heroes360. Great stuff, as always! A few responses... I'm hesitant to call this a "comic" as opposed to a "graphic novel". Would it be to distinguish it from the previous graphic novels, or because you think they should all be called comics?<p>We have a problem at the wiki when we name things with pound signs in the title. I think for our naming purposes, it'll be fine to say "Part 1". Plus, it follows the same format as most of the previous issues ''Heroes'' has put out. But thanks for the suggestion. <p>Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation of the covers. I was getting all the covers from different spots, so it was hard to tell what came from where, or which ones were even created by different artists. This is very helpful. After I fix it up, let me know if there's something that needs to be fixed. Or feel free to make the change yourself if you want. :) <p> I also ignored the blank white cover. I really thought that was an "in the process of" cover, not an actual cover. Good to know! (Reminds me of The White Album from The Beatles.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:43, 13 October 2015 (EDT)		* Hey, Heroes360. Great stuff, as always! A few responses... I'm hesitant to call this a "comic" as opposed to a "graphic novel". Would it be to distinguish it from the previous graphic novels, or because you think they should all be called comics?<p>We have a problem at the wiki when we name things with pound signs in the title. I think for our naming purposes, it'll be fine to say "Part 1". Plus, it follows the same format as most of the previous issues ''Heroes'' has put out. But thanks for the suggestion. <p>Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation of the covers. I was getting all the covers from different spots, so it was hard to tell what came from where, or which ones were even created by different artists. This is very helpful. After I fix it up, let me know if there's something that needs to be fixed. Or feel free to make the change yourself if you want. :) <p> I also ignored the blank white cover. I really thought that was an "in the process of" cover, not an actual cover. Good to know! (Reminds me of The White Album from The Beatles.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:43, 13 October 2015 (EDT)
	** Thanks! The reason that I would call these "comics" as opposed to "graphic novels" is because they are different from the graphic novels posted on nbc.com during the original series run. The ''Vengeance'' comics are actual 32-page full comic book issues that you can purchase at the comic book store as opposed to shorter ~6-11-page comics only available individually online, and the ''Vengeance'' comics are published by [http://titan-comics.com/c/356-heroes/ Titan Comics] (who call them "comics" on their site). I have not seen any place call these particular comic books "graphic novels" the way that NBC called their comics "graphic novels". <p>I was thinking that it may make sense to put all five ''Vengeance'' comics on the same page as well, but in my opinion the title box should not say "Issue #: 174" nor should it say "Previous: From the Files of Primatech, Part 8". These ''Vengeance'' comics are different from the 173+ chapters of graphic novels from the original run. If the # gives too much trouble, perhaps where it says "Issue" in the box on the right, it should say "Issue: 01", as that is what the issue is titled on the front cover (#01). Using the word "Part" like "''Vengeance'', Part 1" is (again, my opinion) forcing the word "part" in the title when nowhere on or in the comic, nor anywhere else online does the comic say "Part X". It made sense for the NBC graphic novels, since (I think) all of them said "Part 1, 2, 3..." on one of the pages of the actual graphic novel. <p>Also, I may have not properly worded it before, but the [http://heroeswiki.com/images/1/17/Vengeance.jpg red and white cover by Paul Pope] is actually the cover for the [http://www.amazon.com/SDCC-2015-Exclusive-NBC-Heroes/dp/B0120XF8LA ashcan] comic given out at San Diego Comic Con 2015. I had to look up the word [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcan_copy "ashcan" on Wikipedia: In modern comics, ashcan editions may refer to promotional comics in the independent/self-publishing market. The term is sometimes synonymous with minicomics or special variants.] This ''Vengeance'' ashcan comic includes six pages from ''Vengeance'' #01, in black and white (like the three images in the "Previews" section), as well as the "A Brave New World" article from the first issue of ''Heroes Reborn: Event Series — The Official Magazine''. If this idea of having all of the ''Vengeance'' comics on one page (as opposed to five separate pages) caught on, then I think that a special section toward the bottom of the article should be titled "Ashcan" with the current red and white cover image and a brief summary of when/where it was released and what it contains. If the "all ''Vengeance'' comics on the same ''Vengeance'' page" idea does not become a reality, then perhaps the same kind of "Ashcan" section should go on the bottom of the page for Issue #01. (Being unfamiliar with the term, I wondered if "ashcan" could be used as a standalone word; [http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/paul-pope-covers-titan-comics-sdcc-exclusive-heroes-ashcan apparently it can]). <p> Also, I mentioned on the [[Talk:EBook\|eBook Talk page]] that I was disappointed about the delay of the second eBook, ''A Matter of Trust'', but I forgot to mention that three of the pages in Issue #01 of ''Vengeance'' give an "EBOOK EXCERPT" from ''A Matter of Trust''. The inside cover of the comic teases about the excerpt: "Plus: Exclusive Father Mauricio short story!" When I read that before flipping to the back, I had no idea what to expect.		** Thanks! The reason that I would call these "comics" as opposed to "graphic novels" is because they are different from the graphic novels posted on nbc.com during the original series run. The ''Vengeance'' comics are actual 32-page full comic book issues that you can purchase at the comic book store as opposed to shorter ~6-11-page comics only available individually online, and the ''Vengeance'' comics are published by [http://titan-comics.com/c/356-heroes/ Titan Comics] (who call them "comics" on their site). I have not seen any place call these particular comic books "graphic novels" the way that NBC called their comics "graphic novels". <p>I was thinking that it may make sense to put all five ''Vengeance'' comics on the same page as well, but in my opinion the title box should not say "Issue #: 174" nor should it say "Previous: From the Files of Primatech, Part 8". These ''Vengeance'' comics are different from the 173+ chapters of graphic novels from the original run. If the # gives too much trouble, perhaps where it says "Issue" in the box on the right, it should say "Issue: 01", as that is what the issue is titled on the front cover (#01). Using the word "Part" like "''Vengeance'', Part 1" is (again, my opinion) forcing the word "part" in the title when nowhere on or in the comic, nor anywhere else online does the comic say "Part X". It made sense for the NBC graphic novels, since (I think) all of them said "Part 1, 2, 3..." on one of the pages of the actual graphic novel. <p>Also, I may have not properly worded it before, but the [http://heroeswiki.com/images/1/17/Vengeance.jpg red and white cover by Paul Pope] is actually the cover for the [http://www.amazon.com/SDCC-2015-Exclusive-NBC-Heroes/dp/B0120XF8LA ashcan] comic given out at San Diego Comic Con 2015. I had to look up the word [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcan_copy "ashcan" on Wikipedia: In modern comics, ashcan editions may refer to promotional comics in the independent/self-publishing market. The term is sometimes synonymous with minicomics or special variants.] This ''Vengeance'' ashcan comic includes six pages from ''Vengeance'' #01, in black and white (like the three images in the "Previews" section), as well as the "A Brave New World" article from the first issue of ''Heroes Reborn: Event Series — The Official Magazine''. If this idea of having all of the ''Vengeance'' comics on one page (as opposed to five separate pages) caught on, then I think that a special section toward the bottom of the article should be titled "Ashcan" with the current red and white cover image and a brief summary of when/where it was released and what it contains. If the "all ''Vengeance'' comics on the same ''Vengeance'' page" idea does not become a reality, then perhaps the same kind of "Ashcan" section should go on the bottom of the page for Issue #01. (Being unfamiliar with the term, I wondered if "ashcan" could be used as a standalone word; [http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/paul-pope-covers-titan-comics-sdcc-exclusive-heroes-ashcan apparently it can]). <p> Also, I mentioned on the [[Talk:EBook\|eBook Talk page]] that I was disappointed about the delay of the second eBook, ''A Matter of Trust'', but I forgot to mention that three of the pages in Issue #01 of ''Vengeance'' give an "EBOOK EXCERPT" from ''A Matter of Trust''. The inside cover of the comic teases about the excerpt: "Plus: Exclusive Father Mauricio short story!" When I read that before flipping to the back, I had no idea what to expect. {{Unsigned\|Heroes360\|14 October 2015}}

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imported>Heroes360: /* Title */ more thoughts on naming; ashcan; a matter of trust preview

2015-10-14T05:30:35Z

Title: more thoughts on naming; ashcan; a matter of trust preview

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	:::The other seven covers are all exclusive to the particular retailers and do not have "Cover X of X" on the front. Here are some other links of possible interest. Larry's Comics page for the [http://www.larryscomics.net/product/heroes-vengeance-1/ color cover] and for the [http://www.larryscomics.net/product/heroes-vengeance-1-bw/ black and white cover] (black and white limited to 500). The Books-A-Millions [http://www.booksamillion.com/p/Heroes-Vengeance/Rian-Hughes/9781492478430 cover]. The Forbidden Planet [https://forbiddenplanet.com/149246-heroes-vengeance-1-forbidden-planetjetpack-variant/ cover]. [https://www.facebook.com/Gifts-For-The-Geek-189514185354/timeline/ A post] on October 7, 2015 on the Gifts for the Geek Facebook page says that their exclusive cover is limited to 1000. --[[User:Heroes360\|Heroes360]] ([[User talk:Heroes360\|talk]]) 22:06, 12 October 2015 (EDT)		:::The other seven covers are all exclusive to the particular retailers and do not have "Cover X of X" on the front. Here are some other links of possible interest. Larry's Comics page for the [http://www.larryscomics.net/product/heroes-vengeance-1/ color cover] and for the [http://www.larryscomics.net/product/heroes-vengeance-1-bw/ black and white cover] (black and white limited to 500). The Books-A-Millions [http://www.booksamillion.com/p/Heroes-Vengeance/Rian-Hughes/9781492478430 cover]. The Forbidden Planet [https://forbiddenplanet.com/149246-heroes-vengeance-1-forbidden-planetjetpack-variant/ cover]. [https://www.facebook.com/Gifts-For-The-Geek-189514185354/timeline/ A post] on October 7, 2015 on the Gifts for the Geek Facebook page says that their exclusive cover is limited to 1000. --[[User:Heroes360\|Heroes360]] ([[User talk:Heroes360\|talk]]) 22:06, 12 October 2015 (EDT)
	* Hey, Heroes360. Great stuff, as always! A few responses... I'm hesitant to call this a "comic" as opposed to a "graphic novel". Would it be to distinguish it from the previous graphic novels, or because you think they should all be called comics?<p>We have a problem at the wiki when we name things with pound signs in the title. I think for our naming purposes, it'll be fine to say "Part 1". Plus, it follows the same format as most of the previous issues ''Heroes'' has put out. But thanks for the suggestion. <p>Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation of the covers. I was getting all the covers from different spots, so it was hard to tell what came from where, or which ones were even created by different artists. This is very helpful. After I fix it up, let me know if there's something that needs to be fixed. Or feel free to make the change yourself if you want. :) <p> I also ignored the blank white cover. I really thought that was an "in the process of" cover, not an actual cover. Good to know! (Reminds me of The White Album from The Beatles.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:43, 13 October 2015 (EDT)		* Hey, Heroes360. Great stuff, as always! A few responses... I'm hesitant to call this a "comic" as opposed to a "graphic novel". Would it be to distinguish it from the previous graphic novels, or because you think they should all be called comics?<p>We have a problem at the wiki when we name things with pound signs in the title. I think for our naming purposes, it'll be fine to say "Part 1". Plus, it follows the same format as most of the previous issues ''Heroes'' has put out. But thanks for the suggestion. <p>Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation of the covers. I was getting all the covers from different spots, so it was hard to tell what came from where, or which ones were even created by different artists. This is very helpful. After I fix it up, let me know if there's something that needs to be fixed. Or feel free to make the change yourself if you want. :) <p> I also ignored the blank white cover. I really thought that was an "in the process of" cover, not an actual cover. Good to know! (Reminds me of The White Album from The Beatles.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:43, 13 October 2015 (EDT)
			** Thanks! The reason that I would call these "comics" as opposed to "graphic novels" is because they are different from the graphic novels posted on nbc.com during the original series run. The ''Vengeance'' comics are actual 32-page full comic book issues that you can purchase at the comic book store as opposed to shorter ~6-11-page comics only available individually online, and the ''Vengeance'' comics are published by [http://titan-comics.com/c/356-heroes/ Titan Comics] (who call them "comics" on their site). I have not seen any place call these particular comic books "graphic novels" the way that NBC called their comics "graphic novels". <p>I was thinking that it may make sense to put all five ''Vengeance'' comics on the same page as well, but in my opinion the title box should not say "Issue #: 174" nor should it say "Previous: From the Files of Primatech, Part 8". These ''Vengeance'' comics are different from the 173+ chapters of graphic novels from the original run. If the # gives too much trouble, perhaps where it says "Issue" in the box on the right, it should say "Issue: 01", as that is what the issue is titled on the front cover (#01). Using the word "Part" like "''Vengeance'', Part 1" is (again, my opinion) forcing the word "part" in the title when nowhere on or in the comic, nor anywhere else online does the comic say "Part X". It made sense for the NBC graphic novels, since (I think) all of them said "Part 1, 2, 3..." on one of the pages of the actual graphic novel. <p>Also, I may have not properly worded it before, but the [http://heroeswiki.com/images/1/17/Vengeance.jpg red and white cover by Paul Pope] is actually the cover for the [http://www.amazon.com/SDCC-2015-Exclusive-NBC-Heroes/dp/B0120XF8LA ashcan] comic given out at San Diego Comic Con 2015. I had to look up the word [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcan_copy "ashcan" on Wikipedia: In modern comics, ashcan editions may refer to promotional comics in the independent/self-publishing market. The term is sometimes synonymous with minicomics or special variants.] This ''Vengeance'' ashcan comic includes six pages from ''Vengeance'' #01, in black and white (like the three images in the "Previews" section), as well as the "A Brave New World" article from the first issue of ''Heroes Reborn: Event Series — The Official Magazine''. If this idea of having all of the ''Vengeance'' comics on one page (as opposed to five separate pages) caught on, then I think that a special section toward the bottom of the article should be titled "Ashcan" with the current red and white cover image and a brief summary of when/where it was released and what it contains. If the "all ''Vengeance'' comics on the same ''Vengeance'' page" idea does not become a reality, then perhaps the same kind of "Ashcan" section should go on the bottom of the page for Issue #01. (Being unfamiliar with the term, I wondered if "ashcan" could be used as a standalone word; [http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/paul-pope-covers-titan-comics-sdcc-exclusive-heroes-ashcan apparently it can]). <p> Also, I mentioned on the [[Talk:EBook\|eBook Talk page]] that I was disappointed about the delay of the second eBook, ''A Matter of Trust'', but I forgot to mention that three of the pages in Issue #01 of ''Vengeance'' give an "EBOOK EXCERPT" from ''A Matter of Trust''. The inside cover of the comic teases about the excerpt: "Plus: Exclusive Father Mauricio short story!" When I read that before flipping to the back, I had no idea what to expect.

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2015-10-13T19:43:40Z

Title

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	:::The other seven covers are all exclusive to the particular retailers and do not have "Cover X of X" on the front. Here are some other links of possible interest. Larry's Comics page for the [http://www.larryscomics.net/product/heroes-vengeance-1/ color cover] and for the [http://www.larryscomics.net/product/heroes-vengeance-1-bw/ black and white cover] (black and white limited to 500). The Books-A-Millions [http://www.booksamillion.com/p/Heroes-Vengeance/Rian-Hughes/9781492478430 cover]. The Forbidden Planet [https://forbiddenplanet.com/149246-heroes-vengeance-1-forbidden-planetjetpack-variant/ cover]. [https://www.facebook.com/Gifts-For-The-Geek-189514185354/timeline/ A post] on October 7, 2015 on the Gifts for the Geek Facebook page says that their exclusive cover is limited to 1000. --[[User:Heroes360\|Heroes360]] ([[User talk:Heroes360\|talk]]) 22:06, 12 October 2015 (EDT)		:::The other seven covers are all exclusive to the particular retailers and do not have "Cover X of X" on the front. Here are some other links of possible interest. Larry's Comics page for the [http://www.larryscomics.net/product/heroes-vengeance-1/ color cover] and for the [http://www.larryscomics.net/product/heroes-vengeance-1-bw/ black and white cover] (black and white limited to 500). The Books-A-Millions [http://www.booksamillion.com/p/Heroes-Vengeance/Rian-Hughes/9781492478430 cover]. The Forbidden Planet [https://forbiddenplanet.com/149246-heroes-vengeance-1-forbidden-planetjetpack-variant/ cover]. [https://www.facebook.com/Gifts-For-The-Geek-189514185354/timeline/ A post] on October 7, 2015 on the Gifts for the Geek Facebook page says that their exclusive cover is limited to 1000. --[[User:Heroes360\|Heroes360]] ([[User talk:Heroes360\|talk]]) 22:06, 12 October 2015 (EDT)
			* Hey, Heroes360. Great stuff, as always! A few responses... I'm hesitant to call this a "comic" as opposed to a "graphic novel". Would it be to distinguish it from the previous graphic novels, or because you think they should all be called comics?<p>We have a problem at the wiki when we name things with pound signs in the title. I think for our naming purposes, it'll be fine to say "Part 1". Plus, it follows the same format as most of the previous issues ''Heroes'' has put out. But thanks for the suggestion. <p>Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation of the covers. I was getting all the covers from different spots, so it was hard to tell what came from where, or which ones were even created by different artists. This is very helpful. After I fix it up, let me know if there's something that needs to be fixed. Or feel free to make the change yourself if you want. :) <p> I also ignored the blank white cover. I really thought that was an "in the process of" cover, not an actual cover. Good to know! (Reminds me of The White Album from The Beatles.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:43, 13 October 2015 (EDT)

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