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	[[Wrestler\|This page]] needs to be deleted since there is already a page about the wrestler in question. --[[User:Avenger29\|Avenger]] 05:22, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		[[Wrestler\|This page]] needs to be deleted since there is already a page about the wrestler in question. --[[User:Avenger29\|Avenger]] 05:22, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	* No, actually. [[Wrestler]] is the page for the character. [[Oscar Gutierrez]] is the page for the actor. It seems odd, since he was playing himself, but it's the same as having two articles for [[Hiro]] and [[Masi Oka]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 05:23, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		* No, actually. [[Wrestler]] is the page for the character. [[Oscar Gutierrez (actor)\|Oscar Gutierrez]] is the page for the actor. It seems odd, since he was playing himself, but it's the same as having two articles for [[Hiro]] and [[Masi Oka]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 05:23, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	* Incidentally, since it's bound to come up: the reason the character is "wrestler" and not Rey Mysterio is that he's not explicitly identified as Rey Mysterio in the episode. Yes, it's obviously him. Yes, it's just stock footage. But we can't assume that the ''character that footage represents'' in the world of ''Heroes'' is called Rey Mysterio just because the wrestler ''in the real world'' is called Rey Mysterio. This is similar to how in ''Heroes'' it's the Las Vegas Police Department but in the real world it's the Las Vegas ''Metropolitan'' Police Department. Another analogy would be the pictures of Peter that Nathan looks at: in reality, they're real-life pictures from Milo Ventimiglia's childhood, but as far as the show's concerned, they're pictures of Peter--i.e. real-world photos of one person were used to represent a fictional person. The wrestler Micah and Damon watch could be called "Sue" for all we know, even though footage of Rey Mysterio was used. So we have a character called [[wrestler]], who is represented by stock footage of Rey Mysterio, who is portrayed in the real world by [[Oscar Gutierrez]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 05:40, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		* Incidentally, since it's bound to come up: the reason the character is "wrestler" and not Rey Mysterio is that he's not explicitly identified as Rey Mysterio in the episode. Yes, it's obviously him. Yes, it's just stock footage. But we can't assume that the ''character that footage represents'' in the world of ''Heroes'' is called Rey Mysterio just because the wrestler ''in the real world'' is called Rey Mysterio. This is similar to how in ''Heroes'' it's the Las Vegas Police Department but in the real world it's the Las Vegas ''Metropolitan'' Police Department. Another analogy would be the pictures of Peter that Nathan looks at: in reality, they're real-life pictures from Milo Ventimiglia's childhood, but as far as the show's concerned, they're pictures of Peter--i.e. real-world photos of one person were used to represent a fictional person. The wrestler Micah and Damon watch could be called "Sue" for all we know, even though footage of Rey Mysterio was used. So we have a character called [[wrestler]], who is represented by stock footage of Rey Mysterio, who is portrayed in the real world by [[Oscar Gutierrez (actor)\|Oscar Gutierrez]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 05:40, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

	Actually, I remember the announcer at one point saying "Mysterio goes for the 619!" or something to that effect. I'll have to rewatch the episode to make sure, but I'm about 90% sure that he was identified.--[[User:Avenger29\|Avenger]] 18:38, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		Actually, I remember the announcer at one point saying "Mysterio goes for the 619!" or something to that effect. I'll have to rewatch the episode to make sure, but I'm about 90% sure that he was identified.--[[User:Avenger29\|Avenger]] 18:38, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
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	*** If I were to say yes we're low would it help prevent this cruft? That [[tuning fork]] article is cruft, too. I don't know why we have these separate articles for people/places/things that are so insignificant within the show. Surely it's beneficial to mention them somewhere (such as the tuning fork would be mentioned briefly in character summaries and the episode synopsis where it was used), but why do we have a whole article on it? Why do we not create an article for Doc Brown because Hiro said "Great Scott!" once? It's just not necessary and isn't the kind of article that should exist at a Heroes wiki. It's scope creep and just isn't necessary. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:36, 22 October 2007 (EDT))		*** If I were to say yes we're low would it help prevent this cruft? That [[tuning fork]] article is cruft, too. I don't know why we have these separate articles for people/places/things that are so insignificant within the show. Surely it's beneficial to mention them somewhere (such as the tuning fork would be mentioned briefly in character summaries and the episode synopsis where it was used), but why do we have a whole article on it? Why do we not create an article for Doc Brown because Hiro said "Great Scott!" once? It's just not necessary and isn't the kind of article that should exist at a Heroes wiki. It's scope creep and just isn't necessary. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:36, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
	**** -Coughs very loudly---[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 19:40, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		**** -Coughs very loudly---[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 19:40, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	**** The argument above is not that the article is trivial, but that it's a double article since both [[Oscar Gutierrez]] and the [[wrestler]] have articles. The article ''is'' trivial, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If anything I believe it makes us more legit--on numerous occasions, I have searched for things on [[lostpedia:]] and [[memoryalpha:]] that occur very infrequently on the show, and have been excited when the article is there, and disappointed when it's not. I also wouldn't discount the footage as just being stock footage. NBC likely had to pay for the rights to use it (though I don't profess to know the legalities of such matters). And in this case, the character was mentioned in [[Heroes Interactive (The Kindness of Strangers)\|Heroes Interactive]]; his counterpart, the [[cooking show host]], was actually credited. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:41, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		**** The argument above is not that the article is trivial, but that it's a double article since both [[Oscar Gutierrez (actor)\|Oscar Gutierrez]] and the [[wrestler]] have articles. The article ''is'' trivial, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If anything I believe it makes us more legit--on numerous occasions, I have searched for things on [[lostpedia:]] and [[memoryalpha:]] that occur very infrequently on the show, and have been excited when the article is there, and disappointed when it's not. I also wouldn't discount the footage as just being stock footage. NBC likely had to pay for the rights to use it (though I don't profess to know the legalities of such matters). And in this case, the character was mentioned in [[Heroes Interactive (The Kindness of Strangers)\|Heroes Interactive]]; his counterpart, the [[cooking show host]], was actually credited. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:41, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	***** If you search for it you would still get results within the page text which is sufficient. It's not feasible to have a separate article for every single thing that someone would search for, so it doesn't make sense to have an article just for the sake of searches (since the page text results would be returned anyway). My point was the original point should be moot since I think we should just delete both articles and link to Wikipedia's info for Oscar and Rey since niether require their own separate article at this point. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:48, 22 October 2007 (EDT))		***** If you search for it you would still get results within the page text which is sufficient. It's not feasible to have a separate article for every single thing that someone would search for, so it doesn't make sense to have an article just for the sake of searches (since the page text results would be returned anyway). My point was the original point should be moot since I think we should just delete both articles and link to Wikipedia's info for Oscar and Rey since niether require their own separate article at this point. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:48, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
	****** I'm ambivalent about objects and items, but there's something about chronicling every character which seems important to me. Characters with much less screen time and much less visibility have been credited. I think it's a slippery slope when we start deciding which characters and which actors merit their own article and which should just be linked to externally. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:59, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		****** I'm ambivalent about objects and items, but there's something about chronicling every character which seems important to me. Characters with much less screen time and much less visibility have been credited. I think it's a slippery slope when we start deciding which characters and which actors merit their own article and which should just be linked to externally. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:59, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* "Wrestler" page needs deleted. */

2008-07-31T13:37:15Z

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	*** If I were to say yes we're low would it help prevent this cruft? That [[tuning fork]] article is cruft, too. I don't know why we have these separate articles for people/places/things that are so insignificant within the show. Surely it's beneficial to mention them somewhere (such as the tuning fork would be mentioned briefly in character summaries and the episode synopsis where it was used), but why do we have a whole article on it? Why do we not create an article for Doc Brown because Hiro said "Great Scott!" once? It's just not necessary and isn't the kind of article that should exist at a Heroes wiki. It's scope creep and just isn't necessary. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:36, 22 October 2007 (EDT))		*** If I were to say yes we're low would it help prevent this cruft? That [[tuning fork]] article is cruft, too. I don't know why we have these separate articles for people/places/things that are so insignificant within the show. Surely it's beneficial to mention them somewhere (such as the tuning fork would be mentioned briefly in character summaries and the episode synopsis where it was used), but why do we have a whole article on it? Why do we not create an article for Doc Brown because Hiro said "Great Scott!" once? It's just not necessary and isn't the kind of article that should exist at a Heroes wiki. It's scope creep and just isn't necessary. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:36, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
	**** -Coughs very loudly---[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 19:40, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		**** -Coughs very loudly---[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 19:40, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	**** The argument above is not that the article is trivial, but that it's a double article since both [[Oscar Gutierrez]] and the [[wrestler]] have articles. The article ''is'' trivial, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If anything I believe it makes us more legit--on numerous occasions, I have searched for things on [[lostpedia:]] and [[memoryalpha:]] that occur very infrequently on the show, and have been excited when the article is there, and disappointed when it's not. I also wouldn't discount the footage as just being stock footage. NBC likely had to pay for the rights to use it (though I don't profess to know the legalities of such matters). And in this case, the character was mentioned in [[Heroes Interactive (The Kindness of Strangers}\|]]; his counterpart, the [[cooking show host]], was actually credited. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:41, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		**** The argument above is not that the article is trivial, but that it's a double article since both [[Oscar Gutierrez]] and the [[wrestler]] have articles. The article ''is'' trivial, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If anything I believe it makes us more legit--on numerous occasions, I have searched for things on [[lostpedia:]] and [[memoryalpha:]] that occur very infrequently on the show, and have been excited when the article is there, and disappointed when it's not. I also wouldn't discount the footage as just being stock footage. NBC likely had to pay for the rights to use it (though I don't profess to know the legalities of such matters). And in this case, the character was mentioned in [[Heroes Interactive (The Kindness of Strangers)\|Heroes Interactive]]; his counterpart, the [[cooking show host]], was actually credited. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:41, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	***** If you search for it you would still get results within the page text which is sufficient. It's not feasible to have a separate article for every single thing that someone would search for, so it doesn't make sense to have an article just for the sake of searches (since the page text results would be returned anyway). My point was the original point should be moot since I think we should just delete both articles and link to Wikipedia's info for Oscar and Rey since niether require their own separate article at this point. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:48, 22 October 2007 (EDT))		***** If you search for it you would still get results within the page text which is sufficient. It's not feasible to have a separate article for every single thing that someone would search for, so it doesn't make sense to have an article just for the sake of searches (since the page text results would be returned anyway). My point was the original point should be moot since I think we should just delete both articles and link to Wikipedia's info for Oscar and Rey since niether require their own separate article at this point. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:48, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
	****** I'm ambivalent about objects and items, but there's something about chronicling every character which seems important to me. Characters with much less screen time and much less visibility have been credited. I think it's a slippery slope when we start deciding which characters and which actors merit their own article and which should just be linked to externally. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:59, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		****** I'm ambivalent about objects and items, but there's something about chronicling every character which seems important to me. Characters with much less screen time and much less visibility have been credited. I think it's a slippery slope when we start deciding which characters and which actors merit their own article and which should just be linked to externally. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:59, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

imported>MiamiVolts: Move comments to next archive (max 20 headers/archive)

2008-01-15T22:34:00Z

Move comments to next archive (max 20 headers/archive)

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	*********** And I continue to disagree with Admin just as much as I disagreed with you. :) --[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 20:12, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		*********** And I continue to disagree with Admin just as much as I disagreed with you. :) --[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 20:12, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	******* I guess we have a different idea about what constitutes "cruft". I'll take an article for a character, however trivial, who has actually appeared, over an article like [[Adam Monroe]] (who has only been mentioned in a licensed video game) or any of the journal people (who only exist in barely readable screenshots from a handful of frames from a single episode) any day. We know more about this wrestler than any of them (for one thing, that he actually exists and has a portrayer), and he's been far more important to the plot than any of them has been so far.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 20:16, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		******* I guess we have a different idea about what constitutes "cruft". I'll take an article for a character, however trivial, who has actually appeared, over an article like [[Adam Monroe]] (who has only been mentioned in a licensed video game) or any of the journal people (who only exist in barely readable screenshots from a handful of frames from a single episode) any day. We know more about this wrestler than any of them (for one thing, that he actually exists and has a portrayer), and he's been far more important to the plot than any of them has been so far.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 20:16, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

	== You guys ever check the Alexa rankings? ==

	http://alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=heroeswiki.com
	Out of all the websites on the internet, I'd say this site is doing pretty damned good. =]--[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 00:04, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
	* I do check them from time to time for fun, but who needs their estimates when I publish the [[Heroes_Wiki:Site_Statistics\|real information]]? :) ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 00:07, 23 October 2007 (EDT))
	** True, but this compares with other sites as well, and I'd say the number (which I believe is getting better) is pretty good. =P--[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 00:10, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

	== Power Image Cats? ==
	*Are we going to make image cats for all of the powers, for example Category:Images of Electromagnetism? Because if we are, I'd be more than happy to get it going.--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 08:11, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
	** [[:Category:Powers Images]] is what we use.--[[User:Baldbobbo\|<font color=#0F004D>Bob</font>]] {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}\|Baldbobbo\| (<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=User_talk:Baldbobbo&action=edit&section=new message]</span>) \| ([[User talk:Baldbobbo\|<font color=#0F004D>talk</font>]]) }} 10:16, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
	***Okay. I asked because I thought it might be good to separate them into sub-categories. A lot of work, yes, but it would make it easier to search for images. Fair enough, though.--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 10:19, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
	****Well, a while back, I went ahead and made the Cats for the main characters. My only issue with subcategories is a) making a category for something like liquification that only has one or two images, or b) when we have these long debates about names of abilities and renaming occurring so often. For example, Monica's ability was named something, then moved at least four times since last week. So I just don't feel too good about having people then making a bunch of categories that aren't necessary, yanno? But for some of the more established abiities (telekinesis, telepathy, empathic mimicry), I wouldn't have a problem with that. Just adjust the [[:Template:image-screenshot]] to take parameters for the powers and that sounds like a good idea. (If you decide to do this, make sure to add some nicknames to the template, like "regeneration" instead of "rapid cell regeneration" or "stm" instead of "space-time manipulation"...my two cents). I'm sure you'll get help if you decide to embark on this.--[[User:Baldbobbo\|<font color=#0F004D>Bob</font>]] {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}\|Baldbobbo\| (<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=User_talk:Baldbobbo&action=edit&section=new message]</span>) \| ([[User talk:Baldbobbo\|<font color=#0F004D>talk</font>]]) }} 12:07, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
	*****You make good points, and I get what you're saying. I'll get to work doing it if other people say it's a good idea....--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 12:10, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
	******Sounds good. I'll help when I can. I know when I did the character cats, I did it on a weekend since most people will be around to help. I'll help, but I work and have school, so I dunno how available I'll be. But if you want to hold out until the weekend, that sounds good. That way you can get some feedback. I like the idea, and it will definitely help when doing example pages for powers. I'd suggest any powers that are in this [[:Template:Examples\|template]].--[[User:Baldbobbo\|<font color=#0F004D>Bob</font>]] {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}\|Baldbobbo\| (<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=User_talk:Baldbobbo&action=edit&section=new message]</span>) \| ([[User talk:Baldbobbo\|<font color=#0F004D>talk</font>]]) }} 12:15, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
	*******I got a week off, which is why I'm on so much! But sure, I can wait.--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 12:18, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
	******** I personally don't see any need for it. I mean, if somebody wants an image that shows electromagnetism, examples of electromagnetism should have every image, is much more organized, and includes a brief description of each image. Changing the title of a page (which happens often with the newer powers) is not that big a deal--it only really requires tweaks to about 4 or 5 pages. Changing the name of a category is a much bigger deal because every image needs to be updated, and then the old category needs to be deleted. I know [[:Category:Powers]] is huge, but I'm not a fan of splitting it due to the mercurial nature of the names of some of our powers. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:38, 24 October 2007 (EDT):(
	*********Oh yeah, I forgot about the examples pages. Fair dues.--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 15:40, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

	==2000th Article!==
	We should probably write a small news about that! We reached 2K articles :) --{{User:FrenchFlo/sig}} 15:55, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
	*It happened somewhere in the middle of the night as [[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] was retooling the [[Heroes 360]] pages. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:11, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
	**Thank God it wasn't "Carla".--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:12, 25 October 2007 (EDT)

	== navbar ==
	Keeping the navbar at the bottom might be the way it's done on other pages, but it messes up the layout when a new comment is added. Plus, I kind of like it at the top for a non-content page. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:43, 27 October 2007 (EDT)
	* Yeah, I liked it at the top, too. And the way it avoided problems when new sections were added was very nice, too. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 23:47, 27 October 2007 (EDT))

imported>MiamiVolts: shrink toc

2008-01-13T18:20:02Z

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	== Google translations ==		== Google translations ==
	* How would people feel if I just took Google Translations out of the sidebar completely? We've got a number of localized wikis already even though only a few of them are being actively updated. The quality of the Google translations is pretty poor and might even be distracting people from wanting to work on the localized wikis. People would naturally still be able to go directly to Google and translate the site from there, but I'm thinking we may be better off not making the Google translations so prominant. Plus it'll help unclutter the sidebar a little. Any thoughts? ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 21:12, 21 September 2007 (EDT))		* How would people feel if I just took Google Translations out of the sidebar completely? We've got a number of localized wikis already even though only a few of them are being actively updated. The quality of the Google translations is pretty poor and might even be distracting people from wanting to work on the localized wikis. People would naturally still be able to go directly to Google and translate the site from there, but I'm thinking we may be better off not making the Google translations so prominant. Plus it'll help unclutter the sidebar a little. Any thoughts? ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 21:12, 21 September 2007 (EDT))

imported>MiamiVolts: +tocright

2008-01-13T18:18:33Z

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	== Google translations ==		== Google translations ==
	* How would people feel if I just took Google Translations out of the sidebar completely? We've got a number of localized wikis already even though only a few of them are being actively updated. The quality of the Google translations is pretty poor and might even be distracting people from wanting to work on the localized wikis. People would naturally still be able to go directly to Google and translate the site from there, but I'm thinking we may be better off not making the Google translations so prominant. Plus it'll help unclutter the sidebar a little. Any thoughts? ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 21:12, 21 September 2007 (EDT))		* How would people feel if I just took Google Translations out of the sidebar completely? We've got a number of localized wikis already even though only a few of them are being actively updated. The quality of the Google translations is pretty poor and might even be distracting people from wanting to work on the localized wikis. People would naturally still be able to go directly to Google and translate the site from there, but I'm thinking we may be better off not making the Google translations so prominant. Plus it'll help unclutter the sidebar a little. Any thoughts? ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 21:12, 21 September 2007 (EDT))

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: red link

2007-11-29T04:24:11Z

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	We should probably write a small news about that! We reached 2K articles :) --{{User:FrenchFlo/sig}} 15:55, 25 October 2007 (EDT)		We should probably write a small news about that! We reached 2K articles :) --{{User:FrenchFlo/sig}} 15:55, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
	*It happened somewhere in the middle of the night as [[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] was retooling the [[Heroes 360]] pages. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:11, 25 October 2007 (EDT)		*It happened somewhere in the middle of the night as [[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] was retooling the [[Heroes 360]] pages. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:11, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
	**Thank God it wasn't [[Carla]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:12, 25 October 2007 (EDT)		**Thank God it wasn't "Carla".--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:12, 25 October 2007 (EDT)

	== navbar ==		== navbar ==

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: rmv link to deleted page

2007-11-22T17:57:49Z

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	******Sounds good. I'll help when I can. I know when I did the character cats, I did it on a weekend since most people will be around to help. I'll help, but I work and have school, so I dunno how available I'll be. But if you want to hold out until the weekend, that sounds good. That way you can get some feedback. I like the idea, and it will definitely help when doing example pages for powers. I'd suggest any powers that are in this [[:Template:Examples\|template]].--[[User:Baldbobbo\|<font color=#0F004D>Bob</font>]] {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}\|Baldbobbo\| (<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=User_talk:Baldbobbo&action=edit&section=new message]</span>) \| ([[User talk:Baldbobbo\|<font color=#0F004D>talk</font>]]) }} 12:15, 24 October 2007 (EDT)		******Sounds good. I'll help when I can. I know when I did the character cats, I did it on a weekend since most people will be around to help. I'll help, but I work and have school, so I dunno how available I'll be. But if you want to hold out until the weekend, that sounds good. That way you can get some feedback. I like the idea, and it will definitely help when doing example pages for powers. I'd suggest any powers that are in this [[:Template:Examples\|template]].--[[User:Baldbobbo\|<font color=#0F004D>Bob</font>]] {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}\|Baldbobbo\| (<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=User_talk:Baldbobbo&action=edit&section=new message]</span>) \| ([[User talk:Baldbobbo\|<font color=#0F004D>talk</font>]]) }} 12:15, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
	*******I got a week off, which is why I'm on so much! But sure, I can wait.--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 12:18, 24 October 2007 (EDT)		*******I got a week off, which is why I'm on so much! But sure, I can wait.--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 12:18, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
	******** I personally don't see any need for it. I mean, if somebody wants an image that shows electromagnetism, [[examples of electromagnetism]] should have every image, is much more organized, and includes a brief description of each image. Changing the title of a page (which happens often with the newer powers) is not that big a deal--it only really requires tweaks to about 4 or 5 pages. Changing the name of a category is a much bigger deal because every image needs to be updated, and then the old category needs to be deleted. I know [[:Category:Powers]] is huge, but I'm not a fan of splitting it due to the mercurial nature of the names of some of our powers. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:38, 24 October 2007 (EDT):(		******** I personally don't see any need for it. I mean, if somebody wants an image that shows electromagnetism, examples of electromagnetism should have every image, is much more organized, and includes a brief description of each image. Changing the title of a page (which happens often with the newer powers) is not that big a deal--it only really requires tweaks to about 4 or 5 pages. Changing the name of a category is a much bigger deal because every image needs to be updated, and then the old category needs to be deleted. I know [[:Category:Powers]] is huge, but I'm not a fan of splitting it due to the mercurial nature of the names of some of our powers. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:38, 24 October 2007 (EDT):(
	*********Oh yeah, I forgot about the examples pages. Fair dues.--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 15:40, 24 October 2007 (EDT)		*********Oh yeah, I forgot about the examples pages. Fair dues.--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 15:40, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

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+add archive; badly needed

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	[[Wrestler\|This page]] needs to be deleted since there is already a page about the wrestler in question. --[[User:Avenger29\|Avenger]] 05:22, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		[[Wrestler\|This page]] needs to be deleted since there is already a page about the wrestler in question. --[[User:Avenger29\|Avenger]] 05:22, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	* No, actually. [[Wrestler]] is the page for the character. [[Oscar Gutierrez]] is the page for the actor. It seems odd, since he was playing himself, but it's the same as having two articles for [[Hiro]] and [[Masi Oka]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 05:23, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		* No, actually. [[Wrestler]] is the page for the character. [[Oscar Gutierrez (actor)\|Oscar Gutierrez]] is the page for the actor. It seems odd, since he was playing himself, but it's the same as having two articles for [[Hiro]] and [[Masi Oka]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 05:23, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	* Incidentally, since it's bound to come up: the reason the character is "wrestler" and not Rey Mysterio is that he's not explicitly identified as Rey Mysterio in the episode. Yes, it's obviously him. Yes, it's just stock footage. But we can't assume that the ''character that footage represents'' in the world of ''Heroes'' is called Rey Mysterio just because the wrestler ''in the real world'' is called Rey Mysterio. This is similar to how in ''Heroes'' it's the Las Vegas Police Department but in the real world it's the Las Vegas ''Metropolitan'' Police Department. Another analogy would be the pictures of Peter that Nathan looks at: in reality, they're real-life pictures from Milo Ventimiglia's childhood, but as far as the show's concerned, they're pictures of Peter--i.e. real-world photos of one person were used to represent a fictional person. The wrestler Micah and Damon watch could be called "Sue" for all we know, even though footage of Rey Mysterio was used. So we have a character called [[wrestler]], who is represented by stock footage of Rey Mysterio, who is portrayed in the real world by [[Oscar Gutierrez]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 05:40, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		* Incidentally, since it's bound to come up: the reason the character is "wrestler" and not Rey Mysterio is that he's not explicitly identified as Rey Mysterio in the episode. Yes, it's obviously him. Yes, it's just stock footage. But we can't assume that the ''character that footage represents'' in the world of ''Heroes'' is called Rey Mysterio just because the wrestler ''in the real world'' is called Rey Mysterio. This is similar to how in ''Heroes'' it's the Las Vegas Police Department but in the real world it's the Las Vegas ''Metropolitan'' Police Department. Another analogy would be the pictures of Peter that Nathan looks at: in reality, they're real-life pictures from Milo Ventimiglia's childhood, but as far as the show's concerned, they're pictures of Peter--i.e. real-world photos of one person were used to represent a fictional person. The wrestler Micah and Damon watch could be called "Sue" for all we know, even though footage of Rey Mysterio was used. So we have a character called [[wrestler]], who is represented by stock footage of Rey Mysterio, who is portrayed in the real world by [[Oscar Gutierrez (actor)\|Oscar Gutierrez]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 05:40, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

	Actually, I remember the announcer at one point saying "Mysterio goes for the 619!" or something to that effect. I'll have to rewatch the episode to make sure, but I'm about 90% sure that he was identified.--[[User:Avenger29\|Avenger]] 18:38, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		Actually, I remember the announcer at one point saying "Mysterio goes for the 619!" or something to that effect. I'll have to rewatch the episode to make sure, but I'm about 90% sure that he was identified.--[[User:Avenger29\|Avenger]] 18:38, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
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	*** If I were to say yes we're low would it help prevent this cruft? That [[tuning fork]] article is cruft, too. I don't know why we have these separate articles for people/places/things that are so insignificant within the show. Surely it's beneficial to mention them somewhere (such as the tuning fork would be mentioned briefly in character summaries and the episode synopsis where it was used), but why do we have a whole article on it? Why do we not create an article for Doc Brown because Hiro said "Great Scott!" once? It's just not necessary and isn't the kind of article that should exist at a Heroes wiki. It's scope creep and just isn't necessary. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:36, 22 October 2007 (EDT))		*** If I were to say yes we're low would it help prevent this cruft? That [[tuning fork]] article is cruft, too. I don't know why we have these separate articles for people/places/things that are so insignificant within the show. Surely it's beneficial to mention them somewhere (such as the tuning fork would be mentioned briefly in character summaries and the episode synopsis where it was used), but why do we have a whole article on it? Why do we not create an article for Doc Brown because Hiro said "Great Scott!" once? It's just not necessary and isn't the kind of article that should exist at a Heroes wiki. It's scope creep and just isn't necessary. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:36, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
	**** -Coughs very loudly---[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 19:40, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		**** -Coughs very loudly---[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 19:40, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	**** The argument above is not that the article is trivial, but that it's a double article since both [[Oscar Gutierrez]] and the [[wrestler]] have articles. The article ''is'' trivial, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If anything I believe it makes us more legit--on numerous occasions, I have searched for things on [[lostpedia:]] and [[memoryalpha:]] that occur very infrequently on the show, and have been excited when the article is there, and disappointed when it's not. I also wouldn't discount the footage as just being stock footage. NBC likely had to pay for the rights to use it (though I don't profess to know the legalities of such matters). And in this case, the character was mentioned in [[Heroes Interactive (The Kindness of Strangers)\|Heroes Interactive]]; his counterpart, the [[cooking show host]], was actually credited. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:41, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		**** The argument above is not that the article is trivial, but that it's a double article since both [[Oscar Gutierrez (actor)\|Oscar Gutierrez]] and the [[wrestler]] have articles. The article ''is'' trivial, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If anything I believe it makes us more legit--on numerous occasions, I have searched for things on [[lostpedia:]] and [[memoryalpha:]] that occur very infrequently on the show, and have been excited when the article is there, and disappointed when it's not. I also wouldn't discount the footage as just being stock footage. NBC likely had to pay for the rights to use it (though I don't profess to know the legalities of such matters). And in this case, the character was mentioned in [[Heroes Interactive (The Kindness of Strangers)\|Heroes Interactive]]; his counterpart, the [[cooking show host]], was actually credited. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:41, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	***** If you search for it you would still get results within the page text which is sufficient. It's not feasible to have a separate article for every single thing that someone would search for, so it doesn't make sense to have an article just for the sake of searches (since the page text results would be returned anyway). My point was the original point should be moot since I think we should just delete both articles and link to Wikipedia's info for Oscar and Rey since niether require their own separate article at this point. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:48, 22 October 2007 (EDT))		***** If you search for it you would still get results within the page text which is sufficient. It's not feasible to have a separate article for every single thing that someone would search for, so it doesn't make sense to have an article just for the sake of searches (since the page text results would be returned anyway). My point was the original point should be moot since I think we should just delete both articles and link to Wikipedia's info for Oscar and Rey since niether require their own separate article at this point. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:48, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
	****** I'm ambivalent about objects and items, but there's something about chronicling every character which seems important to me. Characters with much less screen time and much less visibility have been credited. I think it's a slippery slope when we start deciding which characters and which actors merit their own article and which should just be linked to externally. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:59, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		****** I'm ambivalent about objects and items, but there's something about chronicling every character which seems important to me. Characters with much less screen time and much less visibility have been credited. I think it's a slippery slope when we start deciding which characters and which actors merit their own article and which should just be linked to externally. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:59, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

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	*** If I were to say yes we're low would it help prevent this cruft? That [[tuning fork]] article is cruft, too. I don't know why we have these separate articles for people/places/things that are so insignificant within the show. Surely it's beneficial to mention them somewhere (such as the tuning fork would be mentioned briefly in character summaries and the episode synopsis where it was used), but why do we have a whole article on it? Why do we not create an article for Doc Brown because Hiro said "Great Scott!" once? It's just not necessary and isn't the kind of article that should exist at a Heroes wiki. It's scope creep and just isn't necessary. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:36, 22 October 2007 (EDT))		*** If I were to say yes we're low would it help prevent this cruft? That [[tuning fork]] article is cruft, too. I don't know why we have these separate articles for people/places/things that are so insignificant within the show. Surely it's beneficial to mention them somewhere (such as the tuning fork would be mentioned briefly in character summaries and the episode synopsis where it was used), but why do we have a whole article on it? Why do we not create an article for Doc Brown because Hiro said "Great Scott!" once? It's just not necessary and isn't the kind of article that should exist at a Heroes wiki. It's scope creep and just isn't necessary. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:36, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
	**** -Coughs very loudly---[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 19:40, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		**** -Coughs very loudly---[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 19:40, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	**** The argument above is not that the article is trivial, but that it's a double article since both [[Oscar Gutierrez]] and the [[wrestler]] have articles. The article ''is'' trivial, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If anything I believe it makes us more legit--on numerous occasions, I have searched for things on [[lostpedia:]] and [[memoryalpha:]] that occur very infrequently on the show, and have been excited when the article is there, and disappointed when it's not. I also wouldn't discount the footage as just being stock footage. NBC likely had to pay for the rights to use it (though I don't profess to know the legalities of such matters). And in this case, the character was mentioned in [[Heroes Interactive (The Kindness of Strangers}\|]]; his counterpart, the [[cooking show host]], was actually credited. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:41, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		**** The argument above is not that the article is trivial, but that it's a double article since both [[Oscar Gutierrez]] and the [[wrestler]] have articles. The article ''is'' trivial, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If anything I believe it makes us more legit--on numerous occasions, I have searched for things on [[lostpedia:]] and [[memoryalpha:]] that occur very infrequently on the show, and have been excited when the article is there, and disappointed when it's not. I also wouldn't discount the footage as just being stock footage. NBC likely had to pay for the rights to use it (though I don't profess to know the legalities of such matters). And in this case, the character was mentioned in [[Heroes Interactive (The Kindness of Strangers)\|Heroes Interactive]]; his counterpart, the [[cooking show host]], was actually credited. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:41, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
	***** If you search for it you would still get results within the page text which is sufficient. It's not feasible to have a separate article for every single thing that someone would search for, so it doesn't make sense to have an article just for the sake of searches (since the page text results would be returned anyway). My point was the original point should be moot since I think we should just delete both articles and link to Wikipedia's info for Oscar and Rey since niether require their own separate article at this point. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:48, 22 October 2007 (EDT))		***** If you search for it you would still get results within the page text which is sufficient. It's not feasible to have a separate article for every single thing that someone would search for, so it doesn't make sense to have an article just for the sake of searches (since the page text results would be returned anyway). My point was the original point should be moot since I think we should just delete both articles and link to Wikipedia's info for Oscar and Rey since niether require their own separate article at this point. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:48, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
	****** I'm ambivalent about objects and items, but there's something about chronicling every character which seems important to me. Characters with much less screen time and much less visibility have been credited. I think it's a slippery slope when we start deciding which characters and which actors merit their own article and which should just be linked to externally. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:59, 22 October 2007 (EDT)		****** I'm ambivalent about objects and items, but there's something about chronicling every character which seems important to me. Characters with much less screen time and much less visibility have been credited. I think it's a slippery slope when we start deciding which characters and which actors merit their own article and which should just be linked to externally. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:59, 22 October 2007 (EDT)