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<p>rmv spoilertext template</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:54, 19 March 2009</td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 434:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 434:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|}</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|}</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* I agree with you, Radicell, on making the distinction of three or four appearances for a recurring characters. The number should be somewhere around 20 or 30 tops--not up in the 50s. The problem with excluding unnamed people--especially excluding some unnamed people and not some others--is that it gets into that slippery slope of speculation. And that's evident even above--the German is definitely an important part of the story in the graphic novels, but he's only appeared twice in the episodes. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{spoilertext|</del>Now inside information says he'll be back, so he may be considered a recurring character if he has more appearances.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}}</del> Regarding unnamed people, the Haitian was originally credited simply as [[mysterious man]], Kaito was just [[Hiro's father]], and Noah wasn't even called [[Mr. Bennet]] until somewhere around the sixth or seventh episode. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 09:12, 19 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* I agree with you, Radicell, on making the distinction of three or four appearances for a recurring characters. The number should be somewhere around 20 or 30 tops--not up in the 50s. The problem with excluding unnamed people--especially excluding some unnamed people and not some others--is that it gets into that slippery slope of speculation. And that's evident even above--the German is definitely an important part of the story in the graphic novels, but he's only appeared twice in the episodes. Now inside information says he'll be back, so he may be considered a recurring character if he has more appearances. Regarding unnamed people, the Haitian was originally credited simply as [[mysterious man]], Kaito was just [[Hiro's father]], and Noah wasn't even called [[Mr. Bennet]] until somewhere around the sixth or seventh episode. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 09:12, 19 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Sorry to brake it to you Ryan but <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{spoilertext|</del>I am pretty sure that the German will not be back<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. }}</del>. This this idea would be be getting rid of Supporting Characters? And should [[Lynette]] not be on this list as she has appeared three times and in a book.--[[User:Skywalkerrbf|Skywalkerrbf]] 09:21, 19 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Sorry to brake it to you Ryan but I am pretty sure that the German will not be back. This this idea would be be getting rid of Supporting Characters? And should [[Lynette]] not be on this list as she has appeared three times and in a book.--[[User:Skywalkerrbf|Skywalkerrbf]] 09:21, 19 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** I don't generally check spoilers, and so have no info, but I heard what Ryan suggested was going to happen as well. It definitely could, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{spoilertext|</del>though it would be likely that it would be in a 'flashback' sequence.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}}</del> As for the overall topic, I like the idea, but I think that onscreen airtime should be a factor as much as # of episodes. People like Elle, shouldn't be on the same page (or even a lesser one) than a guard who is onscreen for 3 seconds in 5 different epsodes. [[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 11:54, 19 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** I don't generally check spoilers, and so have no info, but I heard what Ryan suggested was going to happen as well. It definitely could, though it would be likely that it would be in a 'flashback' sequence. As for the overall topic, I like the idea, but I think that onscreen airtime should be a factor as much as # of episodes. People like Elle, shouldn't be on the same page (or even a lesser one) than a guard who is onscreen for 3 seconds in 5 different epsodes. [[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 11:54, 19 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**** Skywalker, when I spoke with [[Ken Lally]] last week, he said <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{spoilertext|</del>there's still a big story involving the German and that he will most likely be returning later in the season<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">}}</del>....Stevehim, Elle won't be in the same portal as a guard since she was a main character in the second season, not a supporting character. However, if she only appears once in a season (like Micah), she's a minor character since she's no longer a main character. If she appears X amount of times (whatever number we decide), then she would be a recurring character this season--she can't be a main character unless NBC makes that distinction. However, I totally agree with you, Steve, we should avoid putting guards and the like in the recurring portal. The best way to do that and still be fair and equitable is to make the cutoff at 4 appearances (3 for the Season Two). It doesn't make the portal "perfect" but it's at least using a well-defined criteria--plus I don't think any two users here would ever agree on what is "perfect"! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:04, 19 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**** Skywalker, when I spoke with [[Ken Lally]] last week, he said there's still a big story involving the German and that he will most likely be returning later in the season....Stevehim, Elle won't be in the same portal as a guard since she was a main character in the second season, not a supporting character. However, if she only appears once in a season (like Micah), she's a minor character since she's no longer a main character. If she appears X amount of times (whatever number we decide), then she would be a recurring character this season--she can't be a main character unless NBC makes that distinction. However, I totally agree with you, Steve, we should avoid putting guards and the like in the recurring portal. The best way to do that and still be fair and equitable is to make the cutoff at 4 appearances (3 for the Season Two). It doesn't make the portal "perfect" but it's at least using a well-defined criteria--plus I don't think any two users here would ever agree on what is "perfect"! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:04, 19 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** Heh, I'm pretty sure [[User:Admin|Admin]] and [[User:Adminbot|Adminbot]] would agree rather often. ;) Anyways, based on the changes, I guess the discussion is over now. Is it okay to add this decision to the portal help now?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 22:25, 22 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>***** Heh, I'm pretty sure [[User:Admin|Admin]] and [[User:Adminbot|Adminbot]] would agree rather often. ;) Anyways, based on the changes, I guess the discussion is over now. Is it okay to add this decision to the portal help now?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 22:25, 22 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*A lot of good discussion since I last checked this. I do agree that the number should be kept rather small-ish, maybe 20 or so. How about we look at it from the standpoint of the top 20 non-main characters with the most appearances rather then a cutoff number of times shown during a season? --{{User:Pinkkeith/sig}} 17:39, 21 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*A lot of good discussion since I last checked this. I do agree that the number should be kept rather small-ish, maybe 20 or so. How about we look at it from the standpoint of the top 20 non-main characters with the most appearances rather then a cutoff number of times shown during a season? --{{User:Pinkkeith/sig}} 17:39, 21 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> </tr> <!-- diff cache key heroeswiki_dpl_en:diff:1.41:old-433400:rev-189705:wikidiff2=table:1.14.1:bc2a06be --> </table>

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<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 23:48, 15 December 2008</td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 443:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 443:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* I'm all for the change to the character portals but the I'm a bit wary of the recurring category. Recurring means that they have been in a few episodes then disappear with the chance of appearing in another later down the track. Personally I think it should be supporting since supporting are in roughly the same amount as mains but don't have their own storyline. take Daphne for example, she has been in every episode this season bar one. There's nothing recurring about that. Keep the Main and Minor categories but rename the Recurring one. {{User:Seclusion/sig}} 21:59, 26 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* I'm all for the change to the character portals but the I'm a bit wary of the recurring category. Recurring means that they have been in a few episodes then disappear with the chance of appearing in another later down the track. Personally I think it should be supporting since supporting are in roughly the same amount as mains but don't have their own storyline. take Daphne for example, she has been in every episode this season bar one. There's nothing recurring about that. Keep the Main and Minor categories but rename the Recurring one. {{User:Seclusion/sig}} 21:59, 26 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Well, you're a bit late to the discussion since so many changes were made in the past few days...but changes can always be reverted if needed. However, I don't see the need. I've never heard of the definition you're using for recurring--I understand the word to mean "showing up again or repeatedly". That would include anybody who has been in a certain number of episodes. We also could have called it "supporting", but that's a much different word. For instance, I think [[Chandra]] is a supporting character because so much of the storyline still can be traced right back to him. However, since the guy has barely appeared, he's not recurring, and that's the difference. On the other hand, somebody like [[Mark Spatney]] has appeared three times already. He's by no means supporting very much of the story, but he's definitely recurring. In the end, if it's a matter of definition and word usage, we can simply define the word the way we need to for our purposes. I think "recurring" fits the bill. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:14, 26 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Well, you're a bit late to the discussion since so many changes were made in the past few days...but changes can always be reverted if needed. However, I don't see the need. I've never heard of the definition you're using for recurring--I understand the word to mean "showing up again or repeatedly". That would include anybody who has been in a certain number of episodes. We also could have called it "supporting", but that's a much different word. For instance, I think [[Chandra]] is a supporting character because so much of the storyline still can be traced right back to him. However, since the guy has barely appeared, he's not recurring, and that's the difference. On the other hand, somebody like [[Mark Spatney]] has appeared three times already. He's by no means supporting very much of the story, but he's definitely recurring. In the end, if it's a matter of definition and word usage, we can simply define the word the way we need to for our purposes. I think "recurring" fits the bill. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:14, 26 October 2008 (EDT)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I know I'm kinda late on this discussion, but can someone remind me why we can't have supporting and recurring like we used to? That way, the number of supporting appearances could be enlarged to five or six, to indicate the presence of characters like [[Ando]], [[Sandra]], [[Zach]] and so on in [[Season One]], and if recurring was three or four appearances, it would represent the difference between [[Ando]] and [[Campaign manager]] who would otherwise appear in the same category. - {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 18:48, 15 December 2008 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Upcoming ad layout changes ==</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Upcoming ad layout changes ==</div></td> </tr> <!-- diff cache key heroeswiki_dpl_en:diff:1.41:old-433399:rev-433400:wikidiff2=table:1.14.1:bc2a06be --> </table>

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