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imported>Radicell at 12:01, 5 March 2010

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	**** Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)		**** Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)		***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)		***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[episode:Homecoming\|Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)
	****** I agree that there should be just a quick episodic mention of brain removal. "Homecoming: Sylar attempts to remove Jackie's brain." or "Seven Minutes to Midnight: Charlie's head is sliced open." I don't think there was too much more than just that - maybe one sentence for each vic. I think those references should be restored, then.<p>As for the Hank/Lisa or Linderman's thugs argument, wouldn't it follow that Monty and Simon Petrelli should share a page? I don't think so, but just a little side note... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 13:46, 10 January 2007 (EST)		****** I agree that there should be just a quick episodic mention of brain removal. "Homecoming: Sylar attempts to remove Jackie's brain." or "Seven Minutes to Midnight: Charlie's head is sliced open." I don't think there was too much more than just that - maybe one sentence for each vic. I think those references should be restored, then.<p>As for the Hank/Lisa or Linderman's thugs argument, wouldn't it follow that Monty and Simon Petrelli should share a page? I don't think so, but just a little side note... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 13:46, 10 January 2007 (EST)
	******* Actually, the only reason I ''didn't'' put Monty and Simon on the same page was that the link was too long to format nicely in the sidebar for [[Nathan]] and [[Heidi]] under chiddrins. :) --[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:51, 10 January 2007 (EST)		******* Actually, the only reason I ''didn't'' put Monty and Simon on the same page was that the link was too long to format nicely in the sidebar for [[Nathan]] and [[Heidi]] under chiddrins. :) --[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:51, 10 January 2007 (EST)

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	Ah, so you succumbed to the~~--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:51, 10 January 2007 (EST)~~ pressure from Wikipedians to having brain [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Heroes_Wiki_.28p2.29 "being it's own article"], eh? Hehe ... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)		Ah, so you succumbed to the pressure from Wikipedians to having brain [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Heroes_Wiki_.28p2.29 "being it's own article"], eh? Hehe ... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)
	* Essentially. Might as well take away their causes for complaint. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)		* Essentially. Might as well take away their causes for complaint. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	* It was one of few valid points they made. :) ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:22, 9 January 2007 (EST))		* It was one of few valid points they made. :) ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:22, 9 January 2007 (EST))

imported>Hardvice at 18:51, 10 January 2007

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	Ah, so you succumbed to the pressure from Wikipedians to having brain [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Heroes_Wiki_.28p2.29 "being it's own article"], eh? Hehe ... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)		Ah, so you succumbed to the--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:51, 10 January 2007 (EST) pressure from Wikipedians to having brain [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Heroes_Wiki_.28p2.29 "being it's own article"], eh? Hehe ... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)
	* Essentially. Might as well take away their causes for complaint. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)		* Essentially. Might as well take away their causes for complaint. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	* It was one of few valid points they made. :) ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:22, 9 January 2007 (EST))		* It was one of few valid points they made. :) ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:22, 9 January 2007 (EST))
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	***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)		***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)
	****** I agree that there should be just a quick episodic mention of brain removal. "Homecoming: Sylar attempts to remove Jackie's brain." or "Seven Minutes to Midnight: Charlie's head is sliced open." I don't think there was too much more than just that - maybe one sentence for each vic. I think those references should be restored, then.<p>As for the Hank/Lisa or Linderman's thugs argument, wouldn't it follow that Monty and Simon Petrelli should share a page? I don't think so, but just a little side note... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 13:46, 10 January 2007 (EST)		****** I agree that there should be just a quick episodic mention of brain removal. "Homecoming: Sylar attempts to remove Jackie's brain." or "Seven Minutes to Midnight: Charlie's head is sliced open." I don't think there was too much more than just that - maybe one sentence for each vic. I think those references should be restored, then.<p>As for the Hank/Lisa or Linderman's thugs argument, wouldn't it follow that Monty and Simon Petrelli should share a page? I don't think so, but just a little side note... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 13:46, 10 January 2007 (EST)
			******* Actually, the only reason I ''didn't'' put Monty and Simon on the same page was that the link was too long to format nicely in the sidebar for [[Nathan]] and [[Heidi]] under chiddrins. :) --[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:51, 10 January 2007 (EST)
	***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)		***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)

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	***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)		***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)		***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)
			****** I agree that there should be just a quick episodic mention of brain removal. "Homecoming: Sylar attempts to remove Jackie's brain." or "Seven Minutes to Midnight: Charlie's head is sliced open." I don't think there was too much more than just that - maybe one sentence for each vic. I think those references should be restored, then.<p>As for the Hank/Lisa or Linderman's thugs argument, wouldn't it follow that Monty and Simon Petrelli should share a page? I don't think so, but just a little side note... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 13:46, 10 January 2007 (EST)
	***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)		***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)

imported>Hardvice: /* Brain Removal Removal */

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	**** Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)		**** Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)		***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)
			***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)
	***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)		***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)

imported>Ted C: /* Brain Removal Removal */

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Brain Removal Removal

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	**** Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)		**** Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)		***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)
			***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)

	==Niki/Jessica==		==Niki/Jessica==

imported>Admin: agreed

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agreed

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	Ah, so you succumbed to the pressure from Wikipedians to having brain [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Heroes_Wiki_.28p2.29 "being it's own article"], eh? Hehe ... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)		Ah, so you succumbed to the pressure from Wikipedians to having brain [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Heroes_Wiki_.28p2.29 "being it's own article"], eh? Hehe ... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)
	* Essentially. Might as well take away their causes for complaint. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)		* Essentially. Might as well take away their causes for complaint. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)
			* It was one of few valid points they made. :) ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:22, 9 January 2007 (EST))

	== Brain Removal Removal ==		== Brain Removal Removal ==

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Brain Removal Removal */

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Brain Removal Removal

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	*** I've added several references to brain removal victims in the notes. Would that be sufficient? --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:26, 9 January 2007 (EST)		*** I've added several references to brain removal victims in the notes. Would that be sufficient? --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 14:26, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	**** Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)		**** Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)
			***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)

	==Niki/Jessica==		==Niki/Jessica==

imported>Hardvice at 21:16, 9 January 2007

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	Would it be worth mentioning the fact that Jessica having a power while Niki doesn't supports the "brain origin" theory? This disparity is only plausible if Jessica's strength originates in the brain, not the muscles. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:08, 9 January 2007 (EST)		Would it be worth mentioning the fact that Jessica having a power while Niki doesn't supports the "brain origin" theory? This disparity is only plausible if Jessica's strength originates in the brain, not the muscles. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 15:08, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	: Only in the notes section, since it's speculation. Sound speculation, but speculation nonetheless. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 15:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)		: Only in the notes section, since it's speculation. Sound speculation, but speculation nonetheless. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 15:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)
			: Hmmm. If they share muscles, don't they also share a brain? We'd need to be clear that the difference is Niki's inability to ''access'' that part of their shared brain, and not imply that Jessica's brain is different from Niki's brain. Except it might be ... there's some evidence that they might actually physically switch places, in which case they don't share muscles either. Ryan's right: too little is known about her powers ATM to say much with any certainty.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)

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	**** Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)		**** Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)		***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)		***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[episode:Homecoming\|Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)
	****** I agree that there should be just a quick episodic mention of brain removal. "Homecoming: Sylar attempts to remove Jackie's brain." or "Seven Minutes to Midnight: Charlie's head is sliced open." I don't think there was too much more than just that - maybe one sentence for each vic. I think those references should be restored, then.<p>As for the Hank/Lisa or Linderman's thugs argument, wouldn't it follow that Monty and Simon Petrelli should share a page? I don't think so, but just a little side note... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 13:46, 10 January 2007 (EST)		****** I agree that there should be just a quick episodic mention of brain removal. "Homecoming: Sylar attempts to remove Jackie's brain." or "Seven Minutes to Midnight: Charlie's head is sliced open." I don't think there was too much more than just that - maybe one sentence for each vic. I think those references should be restored, then.<p>As for the Hank/Lisa or Linderman's thugs argument, wouldn't it follow that Monty and Simon Petrelli should share a page? I don't think so, but just a little side note... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 13:46, 10 January 2007 (EST)
	******* Actually, the only reason I ''didn't'' put Monty and Simon on the same page was that the link was too long to format nicely in the sidebar for [[Nathan]] and [[Heidi]] under chiddrins. :) --[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:51, 10 January 2007 (EST)		******* Actually, the only reason I ''didn't'' put Monty and Simon on the same page was that the link was too long to format nicely in the sidebar for [[Nathan]] and [[Heidi]] under chiddrins. :) --[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:51, 10 January 2007 (EST)

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	Ah, so you succumbed to the~~--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:51, 10 January 2007 (EST)~~ pressure from Wikipedians to having brain [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Heroes_Wiki_.28p2.29 "being it's own article"], eh? Hehe ... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)		Ah, so you succumbed to the pressure from Wikipedians to having brain [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Heroes_Wiki_.28p2.29 "being it's own article"], eh? Hehe ... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)
	* Essentially. Might as well take away their causes for complaint. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)		* Essentially. Might as well take away their causes for complaint. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	* It was one of few valid points they made. :) ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:22, 9 January 2007 (EST))		* It was one of few valid points they made. :) ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:22, 9 January 2007 (EST))

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	Ah, so you succumbed to the pressure from Wikipedians to having brain [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Heroes_Wiki_.28p2.29 "being it's own article"], eh? Hehe ... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)		Ah, so you succumbed to the--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:51, 10 January 2007 (EST) pressure from Wikipedians to having brain [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Heroes_Wiki_.28p2.29 "being it's own article"], eh? Hehe ... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)
	* Essentially. Might as well take away their causes for complaint. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)		* Essentially. Might as well take away their causes for complaint. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:16, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	* It was one of few valid points they made. :) ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:22, 9 January 2007 (EST))		* It was one of few valid points they made. :) ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:22, 9 January 2007 (EST))
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	***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)		***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)
	****** I agree that there should be just a quick episodic mention of brain removal. "Homecoming: Sylar attempts to remove Jackie's brain." or "Seven Minutes to Midnight: Charlie's head is sliced open." I don't think there was too much more than just that - maybe one sentence for each vic. I think those references should be restored, then.<p>As for the Hank/Lisa or Linderman's thugs argument, wouldn't it follow that Monty and Simon Petrelli should share a page? I don't think so, but just a little side note... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 13:46, 10 January 2007 (EST)		****** I agree that there should be just a quick episodic mention of brain removal. "Homecoming: Sylar attempts to remove Jackie's brain." or "Seven Minutes to Midnight: Charlie's head is sliced open." I don't think there was too much more than just that - maybe one sentence for each vic. I think those references should be restored, then.<p>As for the Hank/Lisa or Linderman's thugs argument, wouldn't it follow that Monty and Simon Petrelli should share a page? I don't think so, but just a little side note... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 13:46, 10 January 2007 (EST)
			******* Actually, the only reason I ''didn't'' put Monty and Simon on the same page was that the link was too long to format nicely in the sidebar for [[Nathan]] and [[Heidi]] under chiddrins. :) --[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:51, 10 January 2007 (EST)
	***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)		***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)

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	***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)		***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)		***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)
			****** I agree that there should be just a quick episodic mention of brain removal. "Homecoming: Sylar attempts to remove Jackie's brain." or "Seven Minutes to Midnight: Charlie's head is sliced open." I don't think there was too much more than just that - maybe one sentence for each vic. I think those references should be restored, then.<p>As for the Hank/Lisa or Linderman's thugs argument, wouldn't it follow that Monty and Simon Petrelli should share a page? I don't think so, but just a little side note... - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 13:46, 10 January 2007 (EST)
	***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)		***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)

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	**** Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)		**** Actually, I reread the article after my comment and I tend to agree with you that brain removal was already pretty well covered. That said, the expanded note works pretty well, too.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)
	***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)		***** I don't mean to harp, but I don't think the point of an article is just to "cover" a topic, or sufficiently link to another page. It's to note its references in the show. We wouldn't remove references to Ando on Hiro's page just because it's already covered - Hiro and Ando's story lines are inseperably connected. References to "the brain" and "brain removal" are also very closely connected in the show, obviously. I think somebody coming to this page expects to see a mention of brain removal victims in the "about" section under each episode subheading. I know it may be redundant, but so is much of what we have on the site - certain paragraphs for Niki, Jessica, Micah, and D.L. vary very little from the originating episodes' paragraphs, for example. Especially because "brain" used to be a redirect to "brain removal", I think it's really important that brain removal victims are included in the history section, rather than just relegated to the Notes section. (''Okay, rant finished.'') - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 18:18, 9 January 2007 (EST)
			***** I would say if there is that much overlap, we should have one article. But I think we need two because there are two different subjects: brains, and brain removal. Yes, there are a lot of repeats between, say, [[Jessica]] and [[Niki]], but you'll notice that each is confined to one character's POV. Similarly, references articles need to be "about" something. If an article is about "brains", it isn't about "brain removal", even though (like Niki and Jessica) there's plenty of overlap. If this article is going to contain every shred of information from "brain removal", then we should just delete "brain removal", since "brain" is a bigger topic. That's why [[Linderman's thugs]] share a page, and why [[Lisa]] and [[Hank]] shared a page to begin with: there was nothing to say about one that couldn't also be said of the other. For "brain" and "brain removal" to work as distinct articles, we need to decide which information belongs in which article. I'm not opposed to having episodic mentions of brain removal (in fact, since they involve the brain, I'd say we should have them), but they need to be just that: mentions. The information is already covered in more detail in "brain removal". It should be the equivalent of [[Niki]]'s and [[Jessica]]'s entries for ''[[Homecoming]]'': cover the ''appearance of a brain'' (like Niki) without detailing the ''circumstances of its removal'' (like Jessica). If the articles aren't distinct enough to sustain different treatment, then they should be merged.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)
	***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)		***** OK, we do NOT have a full listing of brain-removal incidents (by episode) on the [[Brain removal]] page. Is this where we want it, then? If so, then go ahead. --[[User:Ted C\|Ted C]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)