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imported>Hardvice at 19:50, 8 May 2007

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	***My only point, and it is just my opinion, but I believe if it weren't for the useage and popularization of G.S. by the Superman radio series in the 1940s, then ,<u>the very phrase itself</u>, would not have ever become popularized and known in common useage. Another similar example would be if Hiro said, "Shazam". It 'could be' a referenced to one of Gomer Pyle's popular sayings from the 1960s.....but if it weren't for it's popularization by Billy Batson via Whiz Comics circa 1940s in the Captain Marvel Comic series, that phrase too, <b>would have never been used later by Gomer, or anyone else</b>. My point is only that if it weren't for Superman's popularization of 'Great Scott' in the 1940s, Christopher Lloyd would have said something else, never knowing to say the phrase 'G.S.' to begin with; therfore Superman should be credited at least with C Lloyd, instead of not mentioned at all on the DC page. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 18:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>		***My only point, and it is just my opinion, but I believe if it weren't for the useage and popularization of G.S. by the Superman radio series in the 1940s, then ,<u>the very phrase itself</u>, would not have ever become popularized and known in common useage. Another similar example would be if Hiro said, "Shazam". It 'could be' a referenced to one of Gomer Pyle's popular sayings from the 1960s.....but if it weren't for it's popularization by Billy Batson via Whiz Comics circa 1940s in the Captain Marvel Comic series, that phrase too, <b>would have never been used later by Gomer, or anyone else</b>. My point is only that if it weren't for Superman's popularization of 'Great Scott' in the 1940s, Christopher Lloyd would have said something else, never knowing to say the phrase 'G.S.' to begin with; therfore Superman should be credited at least with C Lloyd, instead of not mentioned at all on the DC page. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 18:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>
	****In the end, it's not about the phrase, it's about the reference. Hiro references BTTF, not Superman. I did put a note about the phrase and a link to [[DC Comics\|Superman]] on the [[Back to the Future#Notes\|Back to the Future]] page. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 19:11, 11 February 2007 (EST)		****In the end, it's not about the phrase, it's about the reference. Hiro references BTTF, not Superman. I did put a note about the phrase and a link to [[DC Comics\|Superman]] on the [[Back to the Future#Notes\|Back to the Future]] page. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 19:11, 11 February 2007 (EST)

			== Crystals? ==
			* Quartz, used in watchmaking, is neither Kryptonite nor the Fortress of Solitude. To say this is a bit of a stretch is being generous.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:50, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

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	**I agree completely. (There's a discussion about it [[Talk:Back to the Future\|here]].) I do think it's a pretty clear BTTF reference, but I'll put a note on that page just to cover all bases. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:56, 11 February 2007 (EST)		**I agree completely. (There's a discussion about it [[Talk:Back to the Future\|here]].) I do think it's a pretty clear BTTF reference, but I'll put a note on that page just to cover all bases. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:56, 11 February 2007 (EST)
	***My only point, and it is just my opinion, but I believe if it weren't for the useage and popularization of G.S. by the Superman radio series in the 1940s, then ,<u>the very phrase itself</u>, would not have ever become popularized and known in common useage. Another similar example would be if Hiro said, "Shazam". It 'could be' a referenced to one of Gomer Pyle's popular sayings from the 1960s.....but if it weren't for it's popularization by Billy Batson via Whiz Comics circa 1940s in the Captain Marvel Comic series, that phrase too, <b>would have never been used later by Gomer, or anyone else</b>. My point is only that if it weren't for Superman's popularization of 'Great Scott' in the 1940s, Christopher Lloyd would have said something else, never knowing to say the phrase 'G.S.' to begin with; therfore Superman should be credited at least with C Lloyd, instead of not mentioned at all on the DC page. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 18:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>		***My only point, and it is just my opinion, but I believe if it weren't for the useage and popularization of G.S. by the Superman radio series in the 1940s, then ,<u>the very phrase itself</u>, would not have ever become popularized and known in common useage. Another similar example would be if Hiro said, "Shazam". It 'could be' a referenced to one of Gomer Pyle's popular sayings from the 1960s.....but if it weren't for it's popularization by Billy Batson via Whiz Comics circa 1940s in the Captain Marvel Comic series, that phrase too, <b>would have never been used later by Gomer, or anyone else</b>. My point is only that if it weren't for Superman's popularization of 'Great Scott' in the 1940s, Christopher Lloyd would have said something else, never knowing to say the phrase 'G.S.' to begin with; therfore Superman should be credited at least with C Lloyd, instead of not mentioned at all on the DC page. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 18:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>
			****In the end, it's not about the phrase, it's about the reference. Hiro references BTTF, not Superman. I did put a note about the phrase and a link to [[DC Comics\|Superman]] on the [[Back to the Future#Notes\|Back to the Future]] page. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 19:11, 11 February 2007 (EST)

imported>HiroDynoSlayer: /* Great Scott */

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	* That's true, and it's probably worth noting that the scene is an homage to BTF which is itself a possible homage to Superman. However, the phrase dates back much further than the Superman comics -- it's a common nineteenth century expression. The Back to the Future reference is reference not because of the phrase itself, which could be from anywhere, but because of the similarity between the two scenes. Just because someone uses the same idiom as a character in another work, that alone doesn't make it a reference, particularly when the phrase isn't exclusively associated with the other character. "Up, up, and away" is unmistakably a reference to Superman. "Great Scott" is much less unmistakably so, just as "By Jove!" wouldn't necessarily be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, absent any additional parallels.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:31, 11 February 2007 (EST)		* That's true, and it's probably worth noting that the scene is an homage to BTF which is itself a possible homage to Superman. However, the phrase dates back much further than the Superman comics -- it's a common nineteenth century expression. The Back to the Future reference is reference not because of the phrase itself, which could be from anywhere, but because of the similarity between the two scenes. Just because someone uses the same idiom as a character in another work, that alone doesn't make it a reference, particularly when the phrase isn't exclusively associated with the other character. "Up, up, and away" is unmistakably a reference to Superman. "Great Scott" is much less unmistakably so, just as "By Jove!" wouldn't necessarily be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, absent any additional parallels.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:31, 11 February 2007 (EST)
	**I agree completely. (There's a discussion about it [[Talk:Back to the Future\|here]].) I do think it's a pretty clear BTTF reference, but I'll put a note on that page just to cover all bases. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:56, 11 February 2007 (EST)		**I agree completely. (There's a discussion about it [[Talk:Back to the Future\|here]].) I do think it's a pretty clear BTTF reference, but I'll put a note on that page just to cover all bases. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:56, 11 February 2007 (EST)
			***My only point, and it is just my opinion, but I believe if it weren't for the useage and popularization of G.S. by the Superman radio series in the 1940s, then ,<u>the very phrase itself</u>, would not have ever become popularized and known in common useage. Another similar example would be if Hiro said, "Shazam". It 'could be' a referenced to one of Gomer Pyle's popular sayings from the 1960s.....but if it weren't for it's popularization by Billy Batson via Whiz Comics circa 1940s in the Captain Marvel Comic series, that phrase too, <b>would have never been used later by Gomer, or anyone else</b>. My point is only that if it weren't for Superman's popularization of 'Great Scott' in the 1940s, Christopher Lloyd would have said something else, never knowing to say the phrase 'G.S.' to begin with; therfore Superman should be credited at least with C Lloyd, instead of not mentioned at all on the DC page. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 18:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Great Scott */

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	Why is the more recent reference to 'Great Scott' from Back to the Future lore (1980s) being cited, yet the origination of the phrase (the Superman Radio Show from the 1940s) was removed? Even recognizing Christopher Lloyd saying 'Great Scott', he himself was quoting Superman to begin with. I think we should also allow the original Superman source to be cited as well. The phrase wouldn't exist for Christopher Lloyd to have used in Back To the Future, if it wasn't created and popularized in the 1940s by Superman. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 17:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>		Why is the more recent reference to 'Great Scott' from Back to the Future lore (1980s) being cited, yet the origination of the phrase (the Superman Radio Show from the 1940s) was removed? Even recognizing Christopher Lloyd saying 'Great Scott', he himself was quoting Superman to begin with. I think we should also allow the original Superman source to be cited as well. The phrase wouldn't exist for Christopher Lloyd to have used in Back To the Future, if it wasn't created and popularized in the 1940s by Superman. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 17:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>
	* That's true, and it's probably worth noting that the scene is an homage to BTF which is itself a possible homage to Superman. However, the phrase dates back much further than the Superman comics -- it's a common nineteenth century expression. The Back to the Future reference is reference not because of the phrase itself, which could be from anywhere, but because of the similarity between the two scenes. Just because someone uses the same idiom as a character in another work, that alone doesn't make it a reference, particularly when the phrase isn't exclusively associated with the other character. "Up, up, and away" is unmistakably a reference to Superman. "Great Scott" is much less unmistakably so, just as "By Jove!" wouldn't necessarily be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, absent any additional parallels.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:31, 11 February 2007 (EST)		* That's true, and it's probably worth noting that the scene is an homage to BTF which is itself a possible homage to Superman. However, the phrase dates back much further than the Superman comics -- it's a common nineteenth century expression. The Back to the Future reference is reference not because of the phrase itself, which could be from anywhere, but because of the similarity between the two scenes. Just because someone uses the same idiom as a character in another work, that alone doesn't make it a reference, particularly when the phrase isn't exclusively associated with the other character. "Up, up, and away" is unmistakably a reference to Superman. "Great Scott" is much less unmistakably so, just as "By Jove!" wouldn't necessarily be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, absent any additional parallels.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:31, 11 February 2007 (EST)
			**I agree completely. (There's a discussion about it [[Talk:Back to the Future\|here]].) I do think it's a pretty clear BTTF reference, but I'll put a note on that page just to cover all bases. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:56, 11 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Hardvice at 22:31, 11 February 2007

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	== Great Scott ==		== Great Scott ==
	Why is the more recent reference to 'Great Scott' from Back to the Future lore (1980s) being cited, yet the origination of the phrase (the Superman Radio Show from the 1940s) was removed? Even recognizing Christopher Lloyd saying 'Great Scott', he himself was quoting Superman to begin with. I think we should also allow the original Superman source to be cited as well. The phrase wouldn't exist for Christopher Lloyd to have used in Back To the Future, if it wasn't created and popularized in the 1940s by Superman. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 17:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>		Why is the more recent reference to 'Great Scott' from Back to the Future lore (1980s) being cited, yet the origination of the phrase (the Superman Radio Show from the 1940s) was removed? Even recognizing Christopher Lloyd saying 'Great Scott', he himself was quoting Superman to begin with. I think we should also allow the original Superman source to be cited as well. The phrase wouldn't exist for Christopher Lloyd to have used in Back To the Future, if it wasn't created and popularized in the 1940s by Superman. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 17:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>
			* That's true, and it's probably worth noting that the scene is an homage to BTF which is itself a possible homage to Superman. However, the phrase dates back much further than the Superman comics -- it's a common nineteenth century expression. The Back to the Future reference is reference not because of the phrase itself, which could be from anywhere, but because of the similarity between the two scenes. Just because someone uses the same idiom as a character in another work, that alone doesn't make it a reference, particularly when the phrase isn't exclusively associated with the other character. "Up, up, and away" is unmistakably a reference to Superman. "Great Scott" is much less unmistakably so, just as "By Jove!" wouldn't necessarily be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, absent any additional parallels.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:31, 11 February 2007 (EST)

imported>HiroDynoSlayer: Questioning the removal of the 'original' reference to the phrase 'Great Scott' from 1940s Superman Radio Show

2007-02-11T22:17:51Z

Questioning the removal of the 'original' reference to the phrase 'Great Scott' from 1940s Superman Radio Show

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	The article says: "[[Hiro]] often makes references to super-heroes or comic books, some of them from DC Comics." Can we be more specific with this? What references does he make? To which superheroes and which comic books? Otherwise, let's take this line out. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 01:56, 31 December 2006 (EST)		The article says: "[[Hiro]] often makes references to super-heroes or comic books, some of them from DC Comics." Can we be more specific with this? What references does he make? To which superheroes and which comic books? Otherwise, let's take this line out. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|talk]]) 01:56, 31 December 2006 (EST)


			== Great Scott ==
			Why is the more recent reference to 'Great Scott' from Back to the Future lore (1980s) being cited, yet the origination of the phrase (the Superman Radio Show from the 1940s) was removed? Even recognizing Christopher Lloyd saying 'Great Scott', he himself was quoting Superman to begin with. I think we should also allow the original Superman source to be cited as well. The phrase wouldn't exist for Christopher Lloyd to have used in Back To the Future, if it wasn't created and popularized in the 1940s by Superman. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 17:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: Actual References

2006-12-31T06:56:28Z

Actual References

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== Actual References ==

The article says: "[[Hiro]] often makes references to super-heroes or comic books, some of them from DC Comics." Can we be more specific with this? What references does he make? To which superheroes and which comic books? Otherwise, let's take this line out. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 01:56, 31 December 2006 (EST)

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	**I agree completely. (There's a discussion about it [[Talk:Back to the Future\|here]].) I do think it's a pretty clear BTTF reference, but I'll put a note on that page just to cover all bases. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:56, 11 February 2007 (EST)		**I agree completely. (There's a discussion about it [[Talk:Back to the Future\|here]].) I do think it's a pretty clear BTTF reference, but I'll put a note on that page just to cover all bases. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:56, 11 February 2007 (EST)
	***My only point, and it is just my opinion, but I believe if it weren't for the useage and popularization of G.S. by the Superman radio series in the 1940s, then ,<u>the very phrase itself</u>, would not have ever become popularized and known in common useage. Another similar example would be if Hiro said, "Shazam". It 'could be' a referenced to one of Gomer Pyle's popular sayings from the 1960s.....but if it weren't for it's popularization by Billy Batson via Whiz Comics circa 1940s in the Captain Marvel Comic series, that phrase too, <b>would have never been used later by Gomer, or anyone else</b>. My point is only that if it weren't for Superman's popularization of 'Great Scott' in the 1940s, Christopher Lloyd would have said something else, never knowing to say the phrase 'G.S.' to begin with; therfore Superman should be credited at least with C Lloyd, instead of not mentioned at all on the DC page. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 18:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>		***My only point, and it is just my opinion, but I believe if it weren't for the useage and popularization of G.S. by the Superman radio series in the 1940s, then ,<u>the very phrase itself</u>, would not have ever become popularized and known in common useage. Another similar example would be if Hiro said, "Shazam". It 'could be' a referenced to one of Gomer Pyle's popular sayings from the 1960s.....but if it weren't for it's popularization by Billy Batson via Whiz Comics circa 1940s in the Captain Marvel Comic series, that phrase too, <b>would have never been used later by Gomer, or anyone else</b>. My point is only that if it weren't for Superman's popularization of 'Great Scott' in the 1940s, Christopher Lloyd would have said something else, never knowing to say the phrase 'G.S.' to begin with; therfore Superman should be credited at least with C Lloyd, instead of not mentioned at all on the DC page. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 18:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>
			****In the end, it's not about the phrase, it's about the reference. Hiro references BTTF, not Superman. I did put a note about the phrase and a link to [[DC Comics\|Superman]] on the [[Back to the Future#Notes\|Back to the Future]] page. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 19:11, 11 February 2007 (EST)

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	* That's true, and it's probably worth noting that the scene is an homage to BTF which is itself a possible homage to Superman. However, the phrase dates back much further than the Superman comics -- it's a common nineteenth century expression. The Back to the Future reference is reference not because of the phrase itself, which could be from anywhere, but because of the similarity between the two scenes. Just because someone uses the same idiom as a character in another work, that alone doesn't make it a reference, particularly when the phrase isn't exclusively associated with the other character. "Up, up, and away" is unmistakably a reference to Superman. "Great Scott" is much less unmistakably so, just as "By Jove!" wouldn't necessarily be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, absent any additional parallels.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:31, 11 February 2007 (EST)		* That's true, and it's probably worth noting that the scene is an homage to BTF which is itself a possible homage to Superman. However, the phrase dates back much further than the Superman comics -- it's a common nineteenth century expression. The Back to the Future reference is reference not because of the phrase itself, which could be from anywhere, but because of the similarity between the two scenes. Just because someone uses the same idiom as a character in another work, that alone doesn't make it a reference, particularly when the phrase isn't exclusively associated with the other character. "Up, up, and away" is unmistakably a reference to Superman. "Great Scott" is much less unmistakably so, just as "By Jove!" wouldn't necessarily be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, absent any additional parallels.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:31, 11 February 2007 (EST)
	**I agree completely. (There's a discussion about it [[Talk:Back to the Future\|here]].) I do think it's a pretty clear BTTF reference, but I'll put a note on that page just to cover all bases. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:56, 11 February 2007 (EST)		**I agree completely. (There's a discussion about it [[Talk:Back to the Future\|here]].) I do think it's a pretty clear BTTF reference, but I'll put a note on that page just to cover all bases. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:56, 11 February 2007 (EST)
			***My only point, and it is just my opinion, but I believe if it weren't for the useage and popularization of G.S. by the Superman radio series in the 1940s, then ,<u>the very phrase itself</u>, would not have ever become popularized and known in common useage. Another similar example would be if Hiro said, "Shazam". It 'could be' a referenced to one of Gomer Pyle's popular sayings from the 1960s.....but if it weren't for it's popularization by Billy Batson via Whiz Comics circa 1940s in the Captain Marvel Comic series, that phrase too, <b>would have never been used later by Gomer, or anyone else</b>. My point is only that if it weren't for Superman's popularization of 'Great Scott' in the 1940s, Christopher Lloyd would have said something else, never knowing to say the phrase 'G.S.' to begin with; therfore Superman should be credited at least with C Lloyd, instead of not mentioned at all on the DC page. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 18:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>

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	Why is the more recent reference to 'Great Scott' from Back to the Future lore (1980s) being cited, yet the origination of the phrase (the Superman Radio Show from the 1940s) was removed? Even recognizing Christopher Lloyd saying 'Great Scott', he himself was quoting Superman to begin with. I think we should also allow the original Superman source to be cited as well. The phrase wouldn't exist for Christopher Lloyd to have used in Back To the Future, if it wasn't created and popularized in the 1940s by Superman. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 17:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>		Why is the more recent reference to 'Great Scott' from Back to the Future lore (1980s) being cited, yet the origination of the phrase (the Superman Radio Show from the 1940s) was removed? Even recognizing Christopher Lloyd saying 'Great Scott', he himself was quoting Superman to begin with. I think we should also allow the original Superman source to be cited as well. The phrase wouldn't exist for Christopher Lloyd to have used in Back To the Future, if it wasn't created and popularized in the 1940s by Superman. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 17:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small>
	* That's true, and it's probably worth noting that the scene is an homage to BTF which is itself a possible homage to Superman. However, the phrase dates back much further than the Superman comics -- it's a common nineteenth century expression. The Back to the Future reference is reference not because of the phrase itself, which could be from anywhere, but because of the similarity between the two scenes. Just because someone uses the same idiom as a character in another work, that alone doesn't make it a reference, particularly when the phrase isn't exclusively associated with the other character. "Up, up, and away" is unmistakably a reference to Superman. "Great Scott" is much less unmistakably so, just as "By Jove!" wouldn't necessarily be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, absent any additional parallels.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:31, 11 February 2007 (EST)		* That's true, and it's probably worth noting that the scene is an homage to BTF which is itself a possible homage to Superman. However, the phrase dates back much further than the Superman comics -- it's a common nineteenth century expression. The Back to the Future reference is reference not because of the phrase itself, which could be from anywhere, but because of the similarity between the two scenes. Just because someone uses the same idiom as a character in another work, that alone doesn't make it a reference, particularly when the phrase isn't exclusively associated with the other character. "Up, up, and away" is unmistakably a reference to Superman. "Great Scott" is much less unmistakably so, just as "By Jove!" wouldn't necessarily be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, absent any additional parallels.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:31, 11 February 2007 (EST)
			**I agree completely. (There's a discussion about it [[Talk:Back to the Future\|here]].) I do think it's a pretty clear BTTF reference, but I'll put a note on that page just to cover all bases. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:56, 11 February 2007 (EST)