Talk:Damian - Revision history

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2010-03-02T03:47:14Z

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	The credits and script call this character "Damien" with an ''e''. NBC and [[Edgar's list]] call him "Damian" with an ''a''. The only [[canon]] source calls him "Damian" (since credits are not canon, just very helpful). Lots of changes will need to be made... -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:29, 28 February 2010 (EST)		The credits and script call this character "Damien" with an ''e''. NBC and [[Edgar's list]] call him "Damian" with an ''a''. The only [[canon]] source calls him "Damian" (since credits are not canon, just very helpful). Lots of changes will need to be made... -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:29, 28 February 2010 (EST)
	*Maybe Edgar can't spell?--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 15:32, 1 March 2010 (EST)		*Maybe Edgar can't spell?--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 15:32, 1 March 2010 (EST)
			** Very possible, but until we see an other spelling onscreen, we have to go with the only spelling we've seen in a canon source (credits aren't canon). We ran into a similar issue with [[Candice]]--looks like [[Chandra]] wasn't a very good speller either! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:47, 1 March 2010 (EST)

imported>PJDEP: /* Memory Projection */

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	******* Actually, Samuel said that Damien had the ability to ''reveal'' a person's memories. Anyway, "memory revelation" wasn't explicitly given and doesn't cover all aspects of the ability, so why should we rename it?--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 16:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)		******* Actually, Samuel said that Damien had the ability to ''reveal'' a person's memories. Anyway, "memory revelation" wasn't explicitly given and doesn't cover all aspects of the ability, so why should we rename it?--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 16:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)
	******** Whoops, wow, my bad. Actually, that name covers the aspects even better. It reveals memories as projected onto the House of Mirrors, and if we were so bold we may suggest that by doing whatever Damien did to Hiro, it "reminded" him of Mohinder strongly enough to have him escape. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 16:18, 2 February 2010 (EST)		******** Whoops, wow, my bad. Actually, that name covers the aspects even better. It reveals memories as projected onto the House of Mirrors, and if we were so bold we may suggest that by doing whatever Damien did to Hiro, it "reminded" him of Mohinder strongly enough to have him escape. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 16:18, 2 February 2010 (EST)
	*********Memorikinesis?--[[User:PJDEP\|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP\|Need further explanation?]] 16:34, 2 February 2010 (EST)		*********Memorikinesis? (I love how this stopped the conversation dead...)--[[User:PJDEP\|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP\|Need further explanation?]] 16:34, 2 February 2010 (EST)

	== Mental manipulation ==		== Mental manipulation ==

imported>PJDEP: /* Name */

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	The credits and script call this character "Damien" with an ''e''. NBC and [[Edgar's list]] call him "Damian" with an ''a''. The only [[canon]] source calls him "Damian" (since credits are not canon, just very helpful). Lots of changes will need to be made... -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:29, 28 February 2010 (EST)		The credits and script call this character "Damien" with an ''e''. NBC and [[Edgar's list]] call him "Damian" with an ''a''. The only [[canon]] source calls him "Damian" (since credits are not canon, just very helpful). Lots of changes will need to be made... -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:29, 28 February 2010 (EST)
			*Maybe Edgar can't spell?--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 15:32, 1 March 2010 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: Talk:Damien moved to Talk:Damian over redirect: name spelled in a canon source

2010-02-28T19:30:02Z

Talk:Damien moved to Talk:Damian over redirect: name spelled in a canon source

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	**I'm still talking to myself, but I just found something important. In the latest graphic novel ''The Trip, Part 1'', the blurb in the beginning states:''At the request of Samuel, Damien attempts to '''wipe Hiro's mind'''. During the '''wipe''', Hiro's mind got scrambled up into a fanboy soup. Confused and scared; he teleports from the carnival''. Let's not forget, when Arthur tried to wipe Hiro's memory (with an ability that has been confirmed to be mental manipulation), Hiro became slightly messed up, similar to the way he is now. I'm going to move this discussion with myself to Damien;s page, as someone may actually reply there.--[[User:PJDEP\|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP\|Need further explanation?]] 20:11, 5 January 2010 (EST)		**I'm still talking to myself, but I just found something important. In the latest graphic novel ''The Trip, Part 1'', the blurb in the beginning states:''At the request of Samuel, Damien attempts to '''wipe Hiro's mind'''. During the '''wipe''', Hiro's mind got scrambled up into a fanboy soup. Confused and scared; he teleports from the carnival''. Let's not forget, when Arthur tried to wipe Hiro's memory (with an ability that has been confirmed to be mental manipulation), Hiro became slightly messed up, similar to the way he is now. I'm going to move this discussion with myself to Damien;s page, as someone may actually reply there.--[[User:PJDEP\|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP\|Need further explanation?]] 20:11, 5 January 2010 (EST)
	*** I'm totally with you on that one. We tend to have a hard time deciding when abilities are and aren't the same (Niki/Knox have the same strength but demonstrate different aspects, but Damien and Anna do not have the same powers as Rene on the basis of aspects not shown). We've seen every aspect of Rene's (I keep typing "the Haitian" out of habit) ability here but blocking powers, and I honestly can't see Damien having any reason to block powers in the middle of a 'family' of evolved humans.		*** I'm totally with you on that one. We tend to have a hard time deciding when abilities are and aren't the same (Niki/Knox have the same strength but demonstrate different aspects, but Damien and Anna do not have the same powers as Rene on the basis of aspects not shown). We've seen every aspect of Rene's (I keep typing "the Haitian" out of habit) ability here but blocking powers, and I honestly can't see Damien having any reason to block powers in the middle of a 'family' of evolved humans.

			== Name ==

			The credits and script call this character "Damien" with an ''e''. NBC and [[Edgar's list]] call him "Damian" with an ''a''. The only [[canon]] source calls him "Damian" (since credits are not canon, just very helpful). Lots of changes will need to be made... -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:29, 28 February 2010 (EST)

imported>PJDEP: /* Memory Projection */

2010-02-02T21:34:32Z

Memory Projection

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	******* Actually, Samuel said that Damien had the ability to ''reveal'' a person's memories. Anyway, "memory revelation" wasn't explicitly given and doesn't cover all aspects of the ability, so why should we rename it?--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 16:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)		******* Actually, Samuel said that Damien had the ability to ''reveal'' a person's memories. Anyway, "memory revelation" wasn't explicitly given and doesn't cover all aspects of the ability, so why should we rename it?--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 16:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)
	******** Whoops, wow, my bad. Actually, that name covers the aspects even better. It reveals memories as projected onto the House of Mirrors, and if we were so bold we may suggest that by doing whatever Damien did to Hiro, it "reminded" him of Mohinder strongly enough to have him escape. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 16:18, 2 February 2010 (EST)		******** Whoops, wow, my bad. Actually, that name covers the aspects even better. It reveals memories as projected onto the House of Mirrors, and if we were so bold we may suggest that by doing whatever Damien did to Hiro, it "reminded" him of Mohinder strongly enough to have him escape. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 16:18, 2 February 2010 (EST)
			*********Memorikinesis?--[[User:PJDEP\|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP\|Need further explanation?]] 16:34, 2 February 2010 (EST)

	== Mental manipulation ==		== Mental manipulation ==

imported>Ricard Desi: /* Memory Projection */

2010-02-02T21:18:28Z

Memory Projection

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	******No ability name implies that it has no extensions. [[Telepathy]] as a name says nothing about placing someone in a nightmare, yet there is no issue with that. [[Ability replication]] as a name says nothing about having only one ability at a time. We now have a knowledgeable source claiming his ability is to project memories, and we have seen him do this on multiple occasions. It's difficult to say exactly what Damien was doing to Hiro. It's possible Samuel wanted Damien to remove his memories, which is something he may not have been able to do. Perhaps by attempting it, he accidentally scrambled Hiro's brain. "Memory projection" describes the ability as told by Samuel, and as seen on several occasions. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 16:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)		******No ability name implies that it has no extensions. [[Telepathy]] as a name says nothing about placing someone in a nightmare, yet there is no issue with that. [[Ability replication]] as a name says nothing about having only one ability at a time. We now have a knowledgeable source claiming his ability is to project memories, and we have seen him do this on multiple occasions. It's difficult to say exactly what Damien was doing to Hiro. It's possible Samuel wanted Damien to remove his memories, which is something he may not have been able to do. Perhaps by attempting it, he accidentally scrambled Hiro's brain. "Memory projection" describes the ability as told by Samuel, and as seen on several occasions. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 16:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
	******* Actually, Samuel said that Damien had the ability to ''reveal'' a person's memories. Anyway, "memory revelation" wasn't explicitly given and doesn't cover all aspects of the ability, so why should we rename it?--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 16:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)		******* Actually, Samuel said that Damien had the ability to ''reveal'' a person's memories. Anyway, "memory revelation" wasn't explicitly given and doesn't cover all aspects of the ability, so why should we rename it?--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 16:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)
			******** Whoops, wow, my bad. Actually, that name covers the aspects even better. It reveals memories as projected onto the House of Mirrors, and if we were so bold we may suggest that by doing whatever Damien did to Hiro, it "reminded" him of Mohinder strongly enough to have him escape. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 16:18, 2 February 2010 (EST)

	== Mental manipulation ==		== Mental manipulation ==

imported>Referos: /* Memory Projection */

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	*****Yeah, but that was all he needed to say, he wasn't exactly going to say "Damien can project memories... oh and he can scramble them too." No, he'd only tell the aspect he needed Claire to know. It's like with René, Thompson didn't say ''anything'' about blocking abilities to Noah in [[Company Man]] when they first discussed him, only the memory removal aspect, because that was the subject of the conversation. "Manipulating" no way implies that the projection is not possible, or scrambling, where as "Memory Projection" implies that scrambling is not possible. --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 16:01, 2 February 2010 (EST)		*****Yeah, but that was all he needed to say, he wasn't exactly going to say "Damien can project memories... oh and he can scramble them too." No, he'd only tell the aspect he needed Claire to know. It's like with René, Thompson didn't say ''anything'' about blocking abilities to Noah in [[Company Man]] when they first discussed him, only the memory removal aspect, because that was the subject of the conversation. "Manipulating" no way implies that the projection is not possible, or scrambling, where as "Memory Projection" implies that scrambling is not possible. --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 16:01, 2 February 2010 (EST)
	******No ability name implies that it has no extensions. [[Telepathy]] as a name says nothing about placing someone in a nightmare, yet there is no issue with that. [[Ability replication]] as a name says nothing about having only one ability at a time. We now have a knowledgeable source claiming his ability is to project memories, and we have seen him do this on multiple occasions. It's difficult to say exactly what Damien was doing to Hiro. It's possible Samuel wanted Damien to remove his memories, which is something he may not have been able to do. Perhaps by attempting it, he accidentally scrambled Hiro's brain. "Memory projection" describes the ability as told by Samuel, and as seen on several occasions. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 16:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)		******No ability name implies that it has no extensions. [[Telepathy]] as a name says nothing about placing someone in a nightmare, yet there is no issue with that. [[Ability replication]] as a name says nothing about having only one ability at a time. We now have a knowledgeable source claiming his ability is to project memories, and we have seen him do this on multiple occasions. It's difficult to say exactly what Damien was doing to Hiro. It's possible Samuel wanted Damien to remove his memories, which is something he may not have been able to do. Perhaps by attempting it, he accidentally scrambled Hiro's brain. "Memory projection" describes the ability as told by Samuel, and as seen on several occasions. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 16:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
			******* Actually, Samuel said that Damien had the ability to ''reveal'' a person's memories. Anyway, "memory revelation" wasn't explicitly given and doesn't cover all aspects of the ability, so why should we rename it?--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 16:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)

	== Mental manipulation ==		== Mental manipulation ==

imported>Ricard Desi: /* Memory Projection */

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Memory Projection

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	*****And once doesn't really say "primary function" either. Samuel outright said that Damien "has the ability to project memories". --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 15:56, 2 February 2010 (EST)		*****And once doesn't really say "primary function" either. Samuel outright said that Damien "has the ability to project memories". --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 15:56, 2 February 2010 (EST)
	*****Yeah, but that was all he needed to say, he wasn't exactly going to say "Damien can project memories... oh and he can scramble them too." No, he'd only tell the aspect he needed Claire to know. It's like with René, Thompson didn't say ''anything'' about blocking abilities to Noah in [[Company Man]] when they first discussed him, only the memory removal aspect, because that was the subject of the conversation. "Manipulating" no way implies that the projection is not possible, or scrambling, where as "Memory Projection" implies that scrambling is not possible. --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 16:01, 2 February 2010 (EST)		*****Yeah, but that was all he needed to say, he wasn't exactly going to say "Damien can project memories... oh and he can scramble them too." No, he'd only tell the aspect he needed Claire to know. It's like with René, Thompson didn't say ''anything'' about blocking abilities to Noah in [[Company Man]] when they first discussed him, only the memory removal aspect, because that was the subject of the conversation. "Manipulating" no way implies that the projection is not possible, or scrambling, where as "Memory Projection" implies that scrambling is not possible. --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 16:01, 2 February 2010 (EST)
			******No ability name implies that it has no extensions. [[Telepathy]] as a name says nothing about placing someone in a nightmare, yet there is no issue with that. [[Ability replication]] as a name says nothing about having only one ability at a time. We now have a knowledgeable source claiming his ability is to project memories, and we have seen him do this on multiple occasions. It's difficult to say exactly what Damien was doing to Hiro. It's possible Samuel wanted Damien to remove his memories, which is something he may not have been able to do. Perhaps by attempting it, he accidentally scrambled Hiro's brain. "Memory projection" describes the ability as told by Samuel, and as seen on several occasions. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 16:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)

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