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	*** I don't see where the inconsistencies are. Arthur marries Angela around 1965. He goes to Vietnam and serves with Linderman in 1967, but knows him as "Austin". Arthur meets up with Linderman in 1972 and learns his real name. At some point in the 1970s, Arthur joins his wife's group which will eventually be called "The Company". The only "inconsistency" that I see is that Arthur fought in Vietnam alongside Linderman, his wife's colleague, but neither of them realized that they had a common acquaintance. But that's not really an inconsistency in the storytelling or timeline, that's just a very common occurrence. I worked with a woman for three years before realizing she was my wife's former coworker. I lived with a roommate for about a year before learning that the two of us used to play baseball together as kids. And it took my sister several months to learn that her yoga instructor was actually her husband's cousin. Am I missing something else? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:23, 1 April 2010 (EDT)		*** I don't see where the inconsistencies are. Arthur marries Angela around 1965. He goes to Vietnam and serves with Linderman in 1967, but knows him as "Austin". Arthur meets up with Linderman in 1972 and learns his real name. At some point in the 1970s, Arthur joins his wife's group which will eventually be called "The Company". The only "inconsistency" that I see is that Arthur fought in Vietnam alongside Linderman, his wife's colleague, but neither of them realized that they had a common acquaintance. But that's not really an inconsistency in the storytelling or timeline, that's just a very common occurrence. I worked with a woman for three years before realizing she was my wife's former coworker. I lived with a roommate for about a year before learning that the two of us used to play baseball together as kids. And it took my sister several months to learn that her yoga instructor was actually her husband's cousin. Am I missing something else? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:23, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
	****I suppose the trick is that the only way Linderman wouldn't have known Arthur is if he wasn't at the Petrellis' wedding. Additionally, he wouldn't have known Arthur while she was dating Angela. Meaning I guess Linderman was drafted in later 1963 or early 1964, but Arthur didn't wind up there until later? Which is weird because Linderman seemed to be the "new guy", whereas he would have had anywhere from one to three years longer in the service than Arthur. --'''[[User:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 00:53, 2 April 2010 (EDT)		****I suppose the trick is that the only way Linderman wouldn't have known Arthur is if he wasn't at the Petrellis' wedding. Additionally, he wouldn't have known Arthur while she was dating Angela. Meaning I guess Linderman was drafted in later 1963 or early 1964, but Arthur didn't wind up there until later? Which is weird because Linderman seemed to be the "new guy", whereas he would have had anywhere from one to three years longer in the service than Arthur. --'''[[User:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 00:53, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
			***** Or he could have just not been very involved in Angela's personal life. I don't know all my coworkers' significant others, and I haven't attended the weddings of all my friends. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:15, 2 April 2010 (EDT)

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	**He could have been starting the Linderman Group in the 1970s. As for the whole Arthur inconsistency, maybe he just got drafted into Vietnam (1959-1975) before Arthur married Angela (1964-65). --''<small>[[User:Boycool42\|<font color=blue>BOYCOOL</font>]]</small>'' -- '''''<big>[[User talk:Boycool42\|<font color=black>THE END IS NIGH.</font>]]</big>''''' 21:24, 31 March 2010 (EDT)		**He could have been starting the Linderman Group in the 1970s. As for the whole Arthur inconsistency, maybe he just got drafted into Vietnam (1959-1975) before Arthur married Angela (1964-65). --''<small>[[User:Boycool42\|<font color=blue>BOYCOOL</font>]]</small>'' -- '''''<big>[[User talk:Boycool42\|<font color=black>THE END IS NIGH.</font>]]</big>''''' 21:24, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
	*** I don't see where the inconsistencies are. Arthur marries Angela around 1965. He goes to Vietnam and serves with Linderman in 1967, but knows him as "Austin". Arthur meets up with Linderman in 1972 and learns his real name. At some point in the 1970s, Arthur joins his wife's group which will eventually be called "The Company". The only "inconsistency" that I see is that Arthur fought in Vietnam alongside Linderman, his wife's colleague, but neither of them realized that they had a common acquaintance. But that's not really an inconsistency in the storytelling or timeline, that's just a very common occurrence. I worked with a woman for three years before realizing she was my wife's former coworker. I lived with a roommate for about a year before learning that the two of us used to play baseball together as kids. And it took my sister several months to learn that her yoga instructor was actually her husband's cousin. Am I missing something else? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:23, 1 April 2010 (EDT)		*** I don't see where the inconsistencies are. Arthur marries Angela around 1965. He goes to Vietnam and serves with Linderman in 1967, but knows him as "Austin". Arthur meets up with Linderman in 1972 and learns his real name. At some point in the 1970s, Arthur joins his wife's group which will eventually be called "The Company". The only "inconsistency" that I see is that Arthur fought in Vietnam alongside Linderman, his wife's colleague, but neither of them realized that they had a common acquaintance. But that's not really an inconsistency in the storytelling or timeline, that's just a very common occurrence. I worked with a woman for three years before realizing she was my wife's former coworker. I lived with a roommate for about a year before learning that the two of us used to play baseball together as kids. And it took my sister several months to learn that her yoga instructor was actually her husband's cousin. Am I missing something else? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:23, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
			****I suppose the trick is that the only way Linderman wouldn't have known Arthur is if he wasn't at the Petrellis' wedding. Additionally, he wouldn't have known Arthur while she was dating Angela. Meaning I guess Linderman was drafted in later 1963 or early 1964, but Arthur didn't wind up there until later? Which is weird because Linderman seemed to be the "new guy", whereas he would have had anywhere from one to three years longer in the service than Arthur. --'''[[User:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 00:53, 2 April 2010 (EDT)

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	**I noticed it too. A long time ago and I think the writters messed up somewhere. {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 19:54, 31 March 2010 (EDT)		**I noticed it too. A long time ago and I think the writters messed up somewhere. {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 19:54, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
	**He could have been starting the Linderman Group in the 1970s. As for the whole Arthur inconsistency, maybe he just got drafted into Vietnam (1959-1975) before Arthur married Angela (1964-65). --''<small>[[User:Boycool42\|<font color=blue>BOYCOOL</font>]]</small>'' -- '''''<big>[[User talk:Boycool42\|<font color=black>THE END IS NIGH.</font>]]</big>''''' 21:24, 31 March 2010 (EDT)		**He could have been starting the Linderman Group in the 1970s. As for the whole Arthur inconsistency, maybe he just got drafted into Vietnam (1959-1975) before Arthur married Angela (1964-65). --''<small>[[User:Boycool42\|<font color=blue>BOYCOOL</font>]]</small>'' -- '''''<big>[[User talk:Boycool42\|<font color=black>THE END IS NIGH.</font>]]</big>''''' 21:24, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
			*** I don't see where the inconsistencies are. Arthur marries Angela around 1965. He goes to Vietnam and serves with Linderman in 1967, but knows him as "Austin". Arthur meets up with Linderman in 1972 and learns his real name. At some point in the 1970s, Arthur joins his wife's group which will eventually be called "The Company". The only "inconsistency" that I see is that Arthur fought in Vietnam alongside Linderman, his wife's colleague, but neither of them realized that they had a common acquaintance. But that's not really an inconsistency in the storytelling or timeline, that's just a very common occurrence. I worked with a woman for three years before realizing she was my wife's former coworker. I lived with a roommate for about a year before learning that the two of us used to play baseball together as kids. And it took my sister several months to learn that her yoga instructor was actually her husband's cousin. Am I missing something else? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:23, 1 April 2010 (EDT)

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	*--'''[[User:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 12:07, 31 March 2010 (EDT)		*--'''[[User:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 12:07, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
	**I noticed it too. A long time ago and I think the writters messed up somewhere. {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 19:54, 31 March 2010 (EDT)		**I noticed it too. A long time ago and I think the writters messed up somewhere. {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 19:54, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
			**He could have been starting the Linderman Group in the 1970s. As for the whole Arthur inconsistency, maybe he just got drafted into Vietnam (1959-1975) before Arthur married Angela (1964-65). --''<small>[[User:Boycool42\|<font color=blue>BOYCOOL</font>]]</small>'' -- '''''<big>[[User talk:Boycool42\|<font color=black>THE END IS NIGH.</font>]]</big>''''' 21:24, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

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	**In 1978, Linderman is NOT present when the TMI incident occurs.		**In 1978, Linderman is NOT present when the TMI incident occurs.
	*--'''[[User:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 12:07, 31 March 2010 (EDT)		*--'''[[User:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 12:07, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
			**I noticed it too. A long time ago and I think the writters messed up somewhere. {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 19:54, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

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	Ok, so the company's up and running by 1963. Linderman is in contact with all the other members, then angela gets married. Is linderman not at the wedding? Does he not know who arthur is? Then he goes off to the vietnam war and fights ''with arthur'', but they don't know each other. Then, when he gets back, they introduce themselves to each other. Is it just me, or does anyone else think Linderman possibly left the company before angela and arthur were married, then came back after the war? --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 11:03, 31 March 2010 (EDT)		Ok, so the company's up and running by 1963. Linderman is in contact with all the other members, then angela gets married. Is linderman not at the wedding? Does he not know who arthur is? Then he goes off to the vietnam war and fights ''with arthur'', but they don't know each other. Then, when he gets back, they introduce themselves to each other. Is it just me, or does anyone else think Linderman possibly left the company before angela and arthur were married, then came back after the war? --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 11:03, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
			*What we know for certain about Linderman is the following.
			**In 1961, Linderman was at Coyote Sands just before the massacre.
			**In 1963, Linderman is with the other three when Kaito joins, when Chris Coolidge is killed, and when the Reed St. loft is purchased.
			**In 1967, Linderman meets Arthur (who is already married to Angela) in Vietnam.
			**In 1972, Linderman and Arthur meet up again.
			**In 1978, Linderman is NOT present when the TMI incident occurs.
			*--'''[[User:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 12:07, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

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	It's pretty clear in the episode ''1961'' that Linderman was high school age and could not have already served in Vietnam with Arthur. From [[User:Clay wise\|Clay wise]]. But I interpret from what Jason Badower has said and Linderman's appearance in the Primatech Files that Linderman appears to have been 18 in 1961. This means he would be born around 1943. Which means he died at the age of 63. Making him around 6 years younger than Kaito, which appears to be right. And 2 years older than Angela. What do you think? --[[User:Blood69\|Blood69]] 06:10, 31 March 2010 (EDT)		It's pretty clear in the episode ''1961'' that Linderman was high school age and could not have already served in Vietnam with Arthur. From [[User:Clay wise\|Clay wise]]. But I interpret from what Jason Badower has said and Linderman's appearance in the Primatech Files that Linderman appears to have been 18 in 1961. This means he would be born around 1943. Which means he died at the age of 63. Making him around 6 years younger than Kaito, which appears to be right. And 2 years older than Angela. What do you think? --[[User:Blood69\|Blood69]] 06:10, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

			== Total Inconsistencies ==

			Ok, so the company's up and running by 1963. Linderman is in contact with all the other members, then angela gets married. Is linderman not at the wedding? Does he not know who arthur is? Then he goes off to the vietnam war and fights ''with arthur'', but they don't know each other. Then, when he gets back, they introduce themselves to each other. Is it just me, or does anyone else think Linderman possibly left the company before angela and arthur were married, then came back after the war? --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 11:03, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

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	In Vietnam he doesn't know who nathan is, then how come he turns up at his door and isn't surpirsed to see angela there?		In Vietnam he doesn't know who nathan is, then how come he turns up at his door and isn't surpirsed to see angela there?

			== Linderman's age ==

			It's pretty clear in the episode ''1961'' that Linderman was high school age and could not have already served in Vietnam with Arthur. From [[User:Clay wise\|Clay wise]]. But I interpret from what Jason Badower has said and Linderman's appearance in the Primatech Files that Linderman appears to have been 18 in 1961. This means he would be born around 1943. Which means he died at the age of 63. Making him around 6 years younger than Kaito, which appears to be right. And 2 years older than Angela. What do you think? --[[User:Blood69\|Blood69]] 06:10, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

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	* You and I must have interpreted ''War Buddies'' differently. When Linderman said he "hadn't healed anyone else since" he healed his mother, I read that to mean healing them from death's door. [[Linderman's mother]] had [[cancer]] and was going to die. [[Dallas]] was shot in the chest and was going to die. Linderman brought them both back. I hardly think Angela's scar from her bicycle accident meant she was dying. I mean, I could be wrong, and there could be a huge mistake, but I guess I interpret Linderman's words a bit differently.<p>When does ''War Buddies'' show Linderman feeling alone and confused about his ability? I think he's upset that he's being made to use it to interrogate an [[Viet Cong informant\|innocent man]]. And others have felt alone and confused by their abilities--namely Claire, Ted, and Matt--even though they knew they weren't alone. But I never got that Linderman was anything but confident in his abilities. He told Dallas to relax and assured him that he'd done this before.<p>When he discovers that Au Co is an evolved human, he says, "Oh my God, she's--". I'm not sure how that contradicts anything in ''[[Episode:1961\|1961]]'', or how anything in ''1961'' contradicts him finding out that she has an ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:04, 15 April 2009 (EDT)		* You and I must have interpreted ''War Buddies'' differently. When Linderman said he "hadn't healed anyone else since" he healed his mother, I read that to mean healing them from death's door. [[Linderman's mother]] had [[cancer]] and was going to die. [[Dallas]] was shot in the chest and was going to die. Linderman brought them both back. I hardly think Angela's scar from her bicycle accident meant she was dying. I mean, I could be wrong, and there could be a huge mistake, but I guess I interpret Linderman's words a bit differently.<p>When does ''War Buddies'' show Linderman feeling alone and confused about his ability? I think he's upset that he's being made to use it to interrogate an [[Viet Cong informant\|innocent man]]. And others have felt alone and confused by their abilities--namely Claire, Ted, and Matt--even though they knew they weren't alone. But I never got that Linderman was anything but confident in his abilities. He told Dallas to relax and assured him that he'd done this before.<p>When he discovers that Au Co is an evolved human, he says, "Oh my God, she's--". I'm not sure how that contradicts anything in ''[[Episode:1961\|1961]]'', or how anything in ''1961'' contradicts him finding out that she has an ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:04, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
	** That's a good point. I hadn't thought of it that way. Before ''1961'', I had the preconcieved notion that he was afraid of his ability and only used it when he absolutely had to, yet he was somewhat flaunting it by healing Angela's scar. Also, there's nothing that says he didn't heal animals or plants as practice in between his mother and Dallas. ''1961'' didn't contradict anything except the way I interpreted ''War Buddies''. Thanks for setting it straight for me. [[User:Clay wise\|Clay wise]] 16:46, 16 April 2009 (EDT)		** That's a good point. I hadn't thought of it that way. Before ''1961'', I had the preconcieved notion that he was afraid of his ability and only used it when he absolutely had to, yet he was somewhat flaunting it by healing Angela's scar. Also, there's nothing that says he didn't heal animals or plants as practice in between his mother and Dallas. ''1961'' didn't contradict anything except the way I interpreted ''War Buddies''. Thanks for setting it straight for me. [[User:Clay wise\|Clay wise]] 16:46, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

			In Vietnam he doesn't know who nathan is, then how come he turns up at his door and isn't surpirsed to see angela there?