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imported>Jason Garrick: /* Rename? */

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imported>Jason Garrick: /* Rename? */

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	*In an interview with the creators of The Recruit, they clarify this was not an ability. He was injected with the old serum so its not really an ability. http://heroeswiki.com/Interview:The_Recruit [[User:Jfjhong\|Jfjhong]] 00:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)		*In an interview with the creators of The Recruit, they clarify this was not an ability. He was injected with the old serum so its not really an ability. http://heroeswiki.com/Interview:The_Recruit [[User:Jfjhong\|Jfjhong]] 00:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
	** He said "David was injected with an uncatalyzed strain of the serum which had terrible mutated effects. It was more of a severe rabies than anything else". Every ability could be defined as a mutated effect, and "it was more of ... than ..." is not the same thing as "it wasn't an ability". [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 17:47, 7 May 2009 (EDT)		** He said "David was injected with an uncatalyzed strain of the serum which had terrible mutated effects. It was more of a severe rabies than anything else". Every ability could be defined as a mutated effect, and "it was more of ... than ..." is not the same thing as "it wasn't an ability". [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 17:47, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
			***Wait, why is this in the ablities section if it's not an ability? [[User:Jason Garrick\|Jason Garrick]] 09:01, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

imported>345tom: /* New Consensus Check using New Consensus Process */

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	* Opposed, doesn't describe the ability --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)		* Opposed, doesn't describe the ability --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

	<br><u>Super Rage</u>		<br><s>Super Rage</s>
	* Opposed, doesn't describe the aspects of the ability, his ability is not only "being angry" --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)		* Opposed, doesn't describe the aspects of the ability, his ability is not only "being angry" --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
	***It doesn't exactly have to. take Flight for example. West states he can breathe in the higher altitudes and his body is able to adapt to the different pressures. Nowhere does the name Flight cover that. Take Enhance Strength from Knox. Nowhere in the name does it explain that he can "smell" fear. The name is just the general understanding of the ability in which the ability may have by products. Also when someone is in a rage their bodies go into this mode where the pumping of the heart increases and adrenaline causes certain functions of the human body to increase. Where does the red eyes come from? Look at Primal Rage, nowhere does that name describe Ricardo's glowing red eyes. Not saying those examples should be used as an excuse, but that it's so easy to go back and throw this "the name doesn't describe every aspect of the ability" argument into the ring. --[[User:OutbackZack\|OutbackZack]] 13:37, 27 April 2009 (EDT)		***It doesn't exactly have to. take Flight for example. West states he can breathe in the higher altitudes and his body is able to adapt to the different pressures. Nowhere does the name Flight cover that. Take Enhance Strength from Knox. Nowhere in the name does it explain that he can "smell" fear. The name is just the general understanding of the ability in which the ability may have by products. Also when someone is in a rage their bodies go into this mode where the pumping of the heart increases and adrenaline causes certain functions of the human body to increase. Where does the red eyes come from? Look at Primal Rage, nowhere does that name describe Ricardo's glowing red eyes. Not saying those examples should be used as an excuse, but that it's so easy to go back and throw this "the name doesn't describe every aspect of the ability" argument into the ring. --[[User:OutbackZack\|OutbackZack]] 13:37, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

imported>Intuitive Empath: /* Rename? */

2009-05-07T21:47:01Z

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	What about self-induced anger? --[[User:Spexile\|Spexile]] 19:08, 24 April 2009 (EDT)		What about self-induced anger? --[[User:Spexile\|Spexile]] 19:08, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
	*In an interview with the creators of The Recruit, they clarify this was not an ability. He was injected with the old serum so its not really an ability. http://heroeswiki.com/Interview:The_Recruit [[User:Jfjhong\|Jfjhong]] 00:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)		*In an interview with the creators of The Recruit, they clarify this was not an ability. He was injected with the old serum so its not really an ability. http://heroeswiki.com/Interview:The_Recruit [[User:Jfjhong\|Jfjhong]] 00:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
			** He said "David was injected with an uncatalyzed strain of the serum which had terrible mutated effects. It was more of a severe rabies than anything else". Every ability could be defined as a mutated effect, and "it was more of ... than ..." is not the same thing as "it wasn't an ability". [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 17:47, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

imported>Jfjhong: /* Rename? */

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	What about self-induced anger? --[[User:Spexile\|Spexile]] 19:08, 24 April 2009 (EDT)		What about self-induced anger? --[[User:Spexile\|Spexile]] 19:08, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
			*In an interview with the creators of The Recruit, they clarify this was not an ability. He was injected with the old serum so its not really an ability. http://heroeswiki.com/Interview:The_Recruit [[User:Jfjhong\|Jfjhong]] 00:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

imported>345tom: /* New Consensus Check using New Consensus Process */

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	* Opposed, the writer specifically told Ryan [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20883 it should be called] '''Super rabies'''. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/22/2009 13:08 (EST)</small>		* Opposed, the writer specifically told Ryan [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20883 it should be called] '''Super rabies'''. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/22/2009 13:08 (EST)</small>
	** "[[Jim Martin]] said that's what he'd call it ([[Interview:The Recruit\|see here]]), but [[Timm Keppler]] said he'd call it "rage". I'm not really sure they were naming the ability, though...but it's hard to tell." -- [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]		** "[[Jim Martin]] said that's what he'd call it ([[Interview:The Recruit\|see here]]), but [[Timm Keppler]] said he'd call it "rage". I'm not really sure they were naming the ability, though...but it's hard to tell." -- [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]
			**Can't oppose just because you think a better name is available.--[[User:345tom\|345tom]] 12:40, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
			* Doesnt describe that he was angry and mad, although could be placed in notes, --[[User:345tom\|345tom]] 12:40, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

	<br><s>Animal Instincts</s>		<br><s>Animal Instincts</s>

imported>345tom: /* New Consensus Check using New Consensus Process */

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	* Opposed, doesn't describe the aspects of the ability, his ability is not only "being angry" --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)		* Opposed, doesn't describe the aspects of the ability, his ability is not only "being angry" --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
	***It doesn't exactly have to. take Flight for example. West states he can breathe in the higher altitudes and his body is able to adapt to the different pressures. Nowhere does the name Flight cover that. Take Enhance Strength from Knox. Nowhere in the name does it explain that he can "smell" fear. The name is just the general understanding of the ability in which the ability may have by products. Also when someone is in a rage their bodies go into this mode where the pumping of the heart increases and adrenaline causes certain functions of the human body to increase. Where does the red eyes come from? Look at Primal Rage, nowhere does that name describe Ricardo's glowing red eyes. Not saying those examples should be used as an excuse, but that it's so easy to go back and throw this "the name doesn't describe every aspect of the ability" argument into the ring. --[[User:OutbackZack\|OutbackZack]] 13:37, 27 April 2009 (EDT)		***It doesn't exactly have to. take Flight for example. West states he can breathe in the higher altitudes and his body is able to adapt to the different pressures. Nowhere does the name Flight cover that. Take Enhance Strength from Knox. Nowhere in the name does it explain that he can "smell" fear. The name is just the general understanding of the ability in which the ability may have by products. Also when someone is in a rage their bodies go into this mode where the pumping of the heart increases and adrenaline causes certain functions of the human body to increase. Where does the red eyes come from? Look at Primal Rage, nowhere does that name describe Ricardo's glowing red eyes. Not saying those examples should be used as an excuse, but that it's so easy to go back and throw this "the name doesn't describe every aspect of the ability" argument into the ring. --[[User:OutbackZack\|OutbackZack]] 13:37, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
			****Yes but they explain the main power not the additions. Just becasue your angry doesnt mean your stronger than usual and so in this place super rage is the side effect. Like hes feral.--[[User:345tom\|345tom]] 12:37, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

	==Rename? ==		==Rename? ==

imported>HiroDynoSlayer: /* New Consensus Check using New Consensus Process */ sp

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	<br><u>Super Rabies</u>		<br><u>Super Rabies</u>
	* Opposed, This was likely a flippent, off the cuff remark, not grounds for a name-change --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)		* Opposed, This was likely a flippent, off the cuff remark, not grounds for a name-change --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
	** Phrases like '''"that was likely"''' are speculative, and something we should always remind ourselves to avoid in the wiki. The ~~interview~~ ~~said~~ ''I don't even know what to call it'', in which the writer ~~responded~~, ''I'd call it "super rabies"''. Nothing in his context denoted flippancy rather a very detailed explanation of the effect of the injection, followed by a suggestion of what he the writer would call it. Speculation shouldn't be used to oppose a consensus choice. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/29/2009 09:48 (EST)</small>		** Phrases like '''"that was likely"''' are speculative, and something we should always remind ourselves to avoid in the wiki. The interviewer asked ''"I don't even know what to call it"'', in which the writer answered, ''"I'd call it -super rabies-"''. Nothing in his context denoted flippancy rather a very detailed explanation of the effect of the injection, followed by a suggestion of what he, the writer, would call it. Speculation shouldn't be used to oppose a consensus choice. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/29/2009 09:48 (EST)</small>
	<br><u>Enhanced physiology</u>		<br><u>Enhanced physiology</u>
	* Opposed, the writer specifically told Ryan [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20883 it should be called] '''Super rabies'''. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/22/2009 13:08 (EST)</small>		* Opposed, the writer specifically told Ryan [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20883 it should be called] '''Super rabies'''. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/22/2009 13:08 (EST)</small>

imported>Laughingdevilboy: /* New Consensus Check using New Consensus Process */ please dont strike out other peoples opposition, they need to do that themselves or at least state they are now un opposed

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	<br><u>David's ability</u>		<br><u>David's ability</u>
	* ~~<s>~~Opposed, the writer specifically told Ryan [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20883 it should be called] '''Super rabies'''.~~</s>~~ <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/22/2009 13:08 (EST)</small>		* Opposed, the writer specifically told Ryan [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20883 it should be called] '''Super rabies'''. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/22/2009 13:08 (EST)</small>
	** You can't oppose this, as if all others are opposed then it will remain this name. --{{User:Laughingdevilboy/signature}} 13:14, 22 April 2009 (EDT)		** You can't oppose this, as if all others are opposed then it will remain this name. --{{User:Laughingdevilboy/signature}} 13:14, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
	** [[Jim Martin]] said that's what he'd call it ([[Interview:The Recruit\|see here]]), but [[Timm Keppler]] said he'd call it "rage". I'm not really sure they were naming the ability, though...but it's hard to tell. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:58, 24 April 2009 (EDT)		** [[Jim Martin]] said that's what he'd call it ([[Interview:The Recruit\|see here]]), but [[Timm Keppler]] said he'd call it "rage". I'm not really sure they were naming the ability, though...but it's hard to tell. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:58, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
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	* Opposed, This was likely a flippent, off the cuff remark, not grounds for a name-change --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)		* Opposed, This was likely a flippent, off the cuff remark, not grounds for a name-change --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
	** Phrases like '''"that was likely"''' are speculative, and something we should always remind ourselves to avoid in the wiki. The interview said ''I don't even know what to call it'', in which the writer responded, ''I'd call it "super rabies"''. Nothing in his context denoted flippancy rather a very detailed explanation of the effect of the injection, followed by a suggestion of what he the writer would call it. Speculation shouldn't be used to oppose a consensus choice. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/29/2009 09:48 (EST)</small>		** Phrases like '''"that was likely"''' are speculative, and something we should always remind ourselves to avoid in the wiki. The interview said ''I don't even know what to call it'', in which the writer responded, ''I'd call it "super rabies"''. Nothing in his context denoted flippancy rather a very detailed explanation of the effect of the injection, followed by a suggestion of what he the writer would call it. Speculation shouldn't be used to oppose a consensus choice. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/29/2009 09:48 (EST)</small>
	<br>Enhanced physiology		<br><u>Enhanced physiology</u>
	* ~~<s>~~Opposed, the writer specifically told Ryan [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20883 it should be called] '''Super rabies'''.~~</s>~~ <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/22/2009 13:08 (EST)</small>		* Opposed, the writer specifically told Ryan [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20883 it should be called] '''Super rabies'''. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/22/2009 13:08 (EST)</small>
	** "[[Jim Martin]] said that's what he'd call it ([[Interview:The Recruit\|see here]]), but [[Timm Keppler]] said he'd call it "rage". I'm not really sure they were naming the ability, though...but it's hard to tell." -- [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]		** "[[Jim Martin]] said that's what he'd call it ([[Interview:The Recruit\|see here]]), but [[Timm Keppler]] said he'd call it "rage". I'm not really sure they were naming the ability, though...but it's hard to tell." -- [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]

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	** [[Jim Martin]] said that's what he'd call it ([[Interview:The Recruit\|see here]]), but [[Timm Keppler]] said he'd call it "rage". I'm not really sure they were naming the ability, though...but it's hard to tell. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:58, 24 April 2009 (EDT)		** [[Jim Martin]] said that's what he'd call it ([[Interview:The Recruit\|see here]]), but [[Timm Keppler]] said he'd call it "rage". I'm not really sure they were naming the ability, though...but it's hard to tell. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:58, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

	<br><s>Super Rabies</s>		<br><u>Super Rabies</u>
	* Opposed, This was likely a flippent, off the cuff remark, not grounds for a name-change --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)		* Opposed, This was likely a flippent, off the cuff remark, not grounds for a name-change --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
	** Phrases like '''"that was likely"''' are speculative, and something we should always remind ourselves to avoid in the wiki. The interview said ''I don't even know what to call it'', in which the writer responded, ''I'd call it "super rabies"''. Nothing in his context denoted flippancy rather a very detailed explanation of the effect of the injection, followed by a suggestion of what he the writer would call it. Speculation shouldn't be used to oppose a consensus choice. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/29/2009 09:48 (EST)</small>		** Phrases like '''"that was likely"''' are speculative, and something we should always remind ourselves to avoid in the wiki. The interview said ''I don't even know what to call it'', in which the writer responded, ''I'd call it "super rabies"''. Nothing in his context denoted flippancy rather a very detailed explanation of the effect of the injection, followed by a suggestion of what he the writer would call it. Speculation shouldn't be used to oppose a consensus choice. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 04/29/2009 09:48 (EST)</small>
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	* Opposed, doesn't describe the ability --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)		* Opposed, doesn't describe the ability --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

	<br><s>Super Rage</s>		<br><u>Super Rage</u>
	* Opposed, doesn't describe the aspects of the ability, his ability is not only "being angry" --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)		* Opposed, doesn't describe the aspects of the ability, his ability is not only "being angry" --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:23, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
	***It doesn't exactly have to. take Flight for example. West states he can breathe in the higher altitudes and his body is able to adapt to the different pressures. Nowhere does the name Flight cover that. Take Enhance Strength from Knox. Nowhere in the name does it explain that he can "smell" fear. The name is just the general understanding of the ability in which the ability may have by products. Also when someone is in a rage their bodies go into this mode where the pumping of the heart increases and adrenaline causes certain functions of the human body to increase. Where does the red eyes come from? Look at Primal Rage, nowhere does that name describe Ricardo's glowing red eyes. Not saying those examples should be used as an excuse, but that it's so easy to go back and throw this "the name doesn't describe every aspect of the ability" argument into the ring. --[[User:OutbackZack\|OutbackZack]] 13:37, 27 April 2009 (EDT)		***It doesn't exactly have to. take Flight for example. West states he can breathe in the higher altitudes and his body is able to adapt to the different pressures. Nowhere does the name Flight cover that. Take Enhance Strength from Knox. Nowhere in the name does it explain that he can "smell" fear. The name is just the general understanding of the ability in which the ability may have by products. Also when someone is in a rage their bodies go into this mode where the pumping of the heart increases and adrenaline causes certain functions of the human body to increase. Where does the red eyes come from? Look at Primal Rage, nowhere does that name describe Ricardo's glowing red eyes. Not saying those examples should be used as an excuse, but that it's so easy to go back and throw this "the name doesn't describe every aspect of the ability" argument into the ring. --[[User:OutbackZack\|OutbackZack]] 13:37, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

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	*In an interview with the creators of The Recruit, they clarify this was not an ability. He was injected with the old serum so its not really an ability. http://heroeswiki.com/Interview:The_Recruit [[User:Jfjhong\|Jfjhong]] 00:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)		*In an interview with the creators of The Recruit, they clarify this was not an ability. He was injected with the old serum so its not really an ability. http://heroeswiki.com/Interview:The_Recruit [[User:Jfjhong\|Jfjhong]] 00:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
	** He said "David was injected with an uncatalyzed strain of the serum which had terrible mutated effects. It was more of a severe rabies than anything else". Every ability could be defined as a mutated effect, and "it was more of ... than ..." is not the same thing as "it wasn't an ability". [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 17:47, 7 May 2009 (EDT)		** He said "David was injected with an uncatalyzed strain of the serum which had terrible mutated effects. It was more of a severe rabies than anything else". Every ability could be defined as a mutated effect, and "it was more of ... than ..." is not the same thing as "it wasn't an ability". [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 17:47, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
			***Wait, why is this in the ablities section if it's not an ability? [[User:Jason Garrick\|Jason Garrick]] 09:01, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

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	What about self-induced anger? --[[User:Spexile\|Spexile]] 19:08, 24 April 2009 (EDT)		What about self-induced anger? --[[User:Spexile\|Spexile]] 19:08, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
	*In an interview with the creators of The Recruit, they clarify this was not an ability. He was injected with the old serum so its not really an ability. http://heroeswiki.com/Interview:The_Recruit [[User:Jfjhong\|Jfjhong]] 00:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)		*In an interview with the creators of The Recruit, they clarify this was not an ability. He was injected with the old serum so its not really an ability. http://heroeswiki.com/Interview:The_Recruit [[User:Jfjhong\|Jfjhong]] 00:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
			** He said "David was injected with an uncatalyzed strain of the serum which had terrible mutated effects. It was more of a severe rabies than anything else". Every ability could be defined as a mutated effect, and "it was more of ... than ..." is not the same thing as "it wasn't an ability". [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 17:47, 7 May 2009 (EDT)