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	Sorry to interrupt this interesting discussion page. but where do i go to ask about the consensus thing? [[User:Scorvi12\|Scorvi12]] 02:00, 11 May 2009		Sorry to interrupt this interesting discussion page. but where do i go to ask about the consensus thing? [[User:Scorvi12\|Scorvi12]] 02:00, 11 May 2009
	* No problem, you're not interrupting. :) [[#Consensus\|See here for the consensus check]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:23, 11 May 2009 (EDT)		* No problem, you're not interrupting. :) [[Talk:Disintegration/Archive 1#Consensus\|See here for the consensus check]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:23, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

	*also sorry to interrupt, but does any one know when we vote on the names up for nomination? i don't really know how things work around here.--[[User:OneOfThem\|OneOfThem]] 16:53, 12 May 2009 (EDT)		*also sorry to interrupt, but does any one know when we vote on the names up for nomination? i don't really know how things work around here.--[[User:OneOfThem\|OneOfThem]] 16:53, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

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Sorry to interrupt this interesting discussion page. but where do i go to ask about the consensus thing? [[User:Scorvi12|Scorvi12]] 02:00, 11 May 2009
* No problem, you're not interrupting. :) [[#Consensus|See here for the consensus check]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:23, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

*also sorry to interrupt, but does any one know when we vote on the names up for nomination? i don't really know how things work around here.--[[User:OneOfThem|OneOfThem]] 16:53, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

*Is it still possible to propose two names for consensus? If it is, I'd like to put forward ''Material breakdown'' (it breaks down material, this would cover the ornament as well as the possibility of other things, all of which would be material; plus I am almost certain that the ornament could be described as being broken down, and not disintegrated, but it was not broke down on molecular level) and ''Object breakdown'' (maybe not as accurate, as Tom did seem to think Sylar could be injured when the power was activated). Thanks, [[User:SylarMonroe|SylarMonroe]] 17:03, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

==Questions ==
*How and when do we vote?--[[User:OneOfThem|OneOfThem]] 00:03, 14 May 2009 (EDT)

==Last-Minute Suggestion==
I know this is very last minute but how about ''Induced breakdown'' rather than ''Breakdown'' or ''Object Breakdown''? I thought it is a bit more descriptive and accurate than my previous suggestion, the latter of the two. [[User:SylarMonroe|SylarMonroe]] 04:34, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

==Breakdown==
It has gone unopposed for a week. I'd say that adding ''Induced'' would be good, but it might just be taken away as when I named ''Induced sedation''. I'll put it up there, but I do want someone to let me know when they think it would be appropriate to change the name of this page. --[[User:Bender|Bender]] 17:05, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

No offence, but you said nothing new.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 16:57, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

==Let's see here...==
Breakdown, breaking, crumbling, collapsing, induced breakdown, object breakdown, rapid breakdown, and rapid destruction are the only ability names for this ability that haven't been <s>slashed</s> out (There was also raze, but that's not an ability name. Other than that, though, it's fine.). These are all pretty much okay with me, but I vote most highly for "breaking," because that goes with our description: "Tom's ability is the ability to break objects." "Disintegration" also has such a vote from me. What do you guys think?--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 20:00, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

* I completely agree, it's time this ability had a name. Any of the names not <s>slashed</s> out would be fine with me.--[[User:OneOfThem|OneOfThem]] 12:40, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

All these "so-and-so's ability" abilities are just ridiculous. Most of them are worthy of a better name (In fact, the only one I'm willing to let slide is the [[future terrorist's ability]], because we don't know that much about it - though we did learn it was supposed to be a melting beam emission-type thing.). As for this one... Crumbling, collapsing, object breakdown, rapid destruction, rapid breakdown, breakdown, induced breakdown, breaking, and I hope disintegration are our sole options, and are good options. Not sure how this ability naming normally works, but I think we should just vote between those, and the one that gets the most votes after some spatial or temporal limit should be the name that this page is moved to. In the case of a tie, we start over, with only those. Those who voted for any of the removed names would then have to vote for something else, hopefully resulting in a winner. Again, I vote for "disintegration" and "breaking." Thoughts?

We should just do this "narrow down and vote" naming strategy for ALL of the "so-and-so's ability" ability names. I personally think that it would be a lot faster (Not counting, of course, the fact that we don't spend all our time on this site, let alone, for instance, this page.).--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 22:41, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

== Ultrasound projection discussion ==
I managed to rewatch the episode and Tom's ability seems, for me, to work this way: He emits ultrasounds (Maybe from his hands) towards a target (The statue) for a set period of time then snaps his fingers to create an even higher ultrasound that destroys the object. My clues were: The high-pitched sound during use of his ability, the vibration of the object and the way the object broke down when he snapped his fingers. This is why I propose this ability name. --[[User:Ikkian|Ikkian]] 15:03, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
* Hmmm... Too speculative.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 19:13, 29 May 2009 (EDT)
** I do know it is my idea, but I don't see much speculation from it. If you watch the scene again and cross-check with my observations, maybe you'll notice it's not very speculative. --[[User:Ikkian|Ikkian]] 20:27, 31 May 2009 (EDT)
*** It's speculative because there's really no evidence that Tom creates ultrasounds. Just because there are clues that point to a viable and very possible explanation does not make it so. "Speculative" means reasoning based on inconclusive evidence. It's terrific reasoning, but the evidence still requires one to conjecture about what happened. If the supposition requires any guesswork at all, it's speculation. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:03, 31 May 2009 (EDT)
**** It's something to do with ultrasounds ,cause just see him snap his fingers u will see his hand vibrate and then the doll vibrate and break apart.Anyone have a video of Tom using his ability,if so then just pause when he snaps,you will see his hand vibrate.So I'm guessing it is ultrasound projection.--[[User:ZeroTime|ZeroTime]] 08:04, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
***** It's a great guess. But remember, it's still just a guess. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:21, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Seconded. Too speculative.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 16:57, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

==Why is he Worried?==
Why is Tom Miller worried that he's gonna accidentally kill Sylar? His ability seems to only work when he wants it to, and it also seems that it only works how he wants it to. And why does he hate his ability so much? After Sylar said, "That looks like fun," he did say, "Fun? Are you crazy?" What's his deal?

Thoughts?--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 19:13, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

* Maybe he lost control of his power in the past, possibly hurting someone or something he was close to.--[[User:OneOfThem|OneOfThem]] 15:42, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
How could he lose control of his ability? It activates by him <i>snapping</i>.

Hold on, maybe you're on to something. Maybe it activates every time he makes the gesture, whether he wants it to or not. I highly doubt it, though.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 08:34, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
* Perhaps he lost control of his ability and used it without snapping his fingers? Like when he was angry or anxious? --{{User:Ice Vision/sig}} 11:27, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
* Perhaps he was listening to some heavy drum n bass, and couldn't help but click his fingers and shake to the phat beat, leading to the demise of his crew. But that's just speculation. We need to ask BTE about Tom's music taste --[[User:Lolwut|Lolwut]] 13:04, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
**I know this discussion ended months ago, but that was ''hilarious''--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP|Need further explanation?]] 23:16, 10 January 2010 (EST)
Hmmm... Or maybe he instinctually uses it sometimes, like when you hold your hands up when something is in your face. But I highly doubt that. This ability takes a few seconds of extreme, undivided focus, THEN snapping. Which leads to me asking how he discovered his ability, like with [[Trevor]]. And how do you CLICK your fingers?--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 20:25, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
* Tom could just be calling Sylar crazy because, in Tom's opinion, having this ability is bad and dangerous. Think about it: all the sudden whenever you snap things get destroyed. Basically, Tom just thinks it crazy for anyone to want to do that or even have the ability to do so. As for being afraid of 'killing' Sylar, he probably hasn't really practiced with his ability and therefore is afraid he '''could''' kill him. --[[User:Peter|Peter]] 13:14, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
Makes sense. Of course, the ability requires active concentration. And again, how do you CLICK your fingers?--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 10:53, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
**An unknown and menacing-looking guy comes into your house unexpectedly, you just realized you can destroy things by snapping and you have no idea why any of this is happening. You'd be pretty freaked out. Possibly freaked out enough that your adrenaline starts pumping. You haven't practiced with your newly-found ability so you don't know the extent of it. With all this happening you'd be afraid you'd do something horribly wrong, completely by accident. Tom was just trying to take the necessary precautions as to not possible hurt/kill Sylar. As for clicking your fingers, you're the only one who's mentioned clicking. What do you mean? --[[User:Peter|Peter]]
I suppose you're right... Guess I got my answer (And I know that if <i>I</i> had an unknown ability, I'd be scared, too). I didn't think of that. I was just under the impression that he knew a bit more about his ability than that. Ah, well... Also, [[User:Lolwut|Lolwut]] (What an odd username... Like mine, I guess...) said "couldn't help but click his fingers" a few comments above this one, and I wanted to know what it meant to "click" your fingers.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 20:01, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
*Probably meant "snap" your fingers. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:29, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

That's what I thought. But if it means "snap your fingers," then why say that? Why do people say CLICK your fingers, not snap your fingers, if it just means that? Clicking and snapping are two different sounds, people!--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 16:41, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

==Breakdown problems==
So if there's a problem with breakdown or induced breakdown because it sounds like Tom himself is breaking down, then wouldn't my previous suggestions of object breakdown or material breakdown be more suitable? They show he is breaking down and object rather than himself. So is it possible to add material breakdown on to the consensus even though only object breakdown is there so far. [[User:SylarMonroe|SylarMonroe]] 15:10, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

You didn't really say anything new. And why is this section called "Breakdown problems?" Why isn't your comment somewhere else, where it belongs? Like with your suggestions, maybe? It'd serve more function there than on it's own, if you ask me.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 16:57, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Okay...I'm sorry but this is my first consensus... [[User:SylarMonroe|SylarMonroe]] 12:23, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

There is no need to apologize, it's also my first consensus--[[User:OneOfThem|OneOfThem]] 15:43, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

If anything, I need to apologize. I was being very rude.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 15:57, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

One final suggestion, ''Inductive breakdown'', rather than suggesting that he causes himself to breakdown. As far as I know this would suggest that breakdown is applied to something else. If I am incorrect, I'd appreciate if something could point me towards the correct variation of ''induce'' to mean causing something else without coming across as it occurring to oneself. Thanks, [[User:SylarMonroe|SylarMonroe]] 15:31, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

You mean induced? Or inducible? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:35, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

Judging by prior comments, induced breakdown implies he makes himself breakdown, so I thought inductive means to cause to others rather than someone. I might be wrong but I don't think induced is right, inducible might be right. Look up define:inductive on a search engine, that's where I got the idea from. [[User:SylarMonroe|SylarMonroe]] 17:56, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

== Object Collapsing or Object Destruction ==
Well... I know the consensus is against these two names, but that's exactly what Tom was able to do. He made the ornament collapse, he destroyed it. What do you think? -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 06:36, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

*i think that Object Destruction is probably the best. i dont really understand why it is so much trouble. its not even a very significant ability in the first place! but i think that, that name explains it simply. but thats just my opinion. --[[User:Scorvi12|Scorvi12]] 09:42, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

==Object dismantling or object dismantlment==
-what do you people think of these names. [[User:Daevon|Dae-von]] 15:25, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
*They seem a bit too umbrella to me. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:45, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

*ummmm personaly I think that are much more accurate names already in place. --[[User:tsmarg|tsmarg]]

==Voting?==
When do we vote on the names up for consideration?--[[User:OneOfThem|OneOfThem]] 14:49, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

There's no need to repeat what you already said. And right now, we're not voting for names, but eliminating names by putting our names under them, and saying why we oppose them. So I don't think anybody knows when we're voting.

Did that come off as rude? I think so, and I can't think of a way to make it sound nicer.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 14:51, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I have asked this question many times with no answer, thank you for answering.--[[User:OneOfThem|OneOfThem]] 00:59, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

You're welcome, and I don't think you offended anyone.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 20:06, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

== It has nothing to do with sound. ==
Almost every ability goes with a sound effect. Telekinesis, for example. Won't you say Sylar manipulates sound to make objects move? Or space-time manipulation - would you say Hiro used to affect sound in a way time froze? Or even invisibility - of course Claude doesn't generate a sound which bends light and conceals him. Do you agree? -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 09:50, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

I agree that it has nothing to do with sound but what name would you suggest? --[[User:Tsmarg|Tsmarg]]

Dunno, but I just say that all sound-related names are most definitely wrong. And probably vibration-related ones. -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 03:45, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Agreed, because those names are speculation.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 14:45, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

== naming ==

we can't just keep coming up with more names for his ability we need to vote on the names we have; there are so many ways to describe it that people will just keep coming up with new combinations of words that basically describe the same thing. we already have many good names. is anyone with me?? --[[user:Tsmarg|Tsmarg]]
*yes, i agree.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 12:38, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
agree [50000JH]
**Agreed. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:23, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
* I Completely Agree!--[[User:OneOfThem|OneOfThem]] 19:52, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
i hope somebody else has this ability in the next season then we can give a name. sorry if i sound rude 50000JH

*Anyone know who is in charge of starting the naming process?--[[User:OneOfThem|OneOfThem]] 21:04, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== cellular degeneration ==
How about cellular degeneration or rapid cellular degeneration?
* It isn't related to cells. {{User:Altes/Signature}}

== molecular explosion==
i think this fits
*I don't see an explosion

== Name Change ==

I believe that we should change the name to molecular disruption. Molecular Disruption is to disrupt molecules which makes them separate from one another. Like first the ornament seemingly shattered but this could actually have been the molecules separating from one another somewhat slowly. Then, the little specks disappear this could be the molecules going back to the smaller than microscopic size.--[[User:Jbennett338|jbennett338]] 13:36, 31 October 2009 (EDT)Sylar will die
* There's just not enough information to tell what this power really is. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
I do think it sounds pretty cool though but that doesn't really matter.--[[User:Jbennett338|jbennett338]] 16:53, 31 October 2009 (EDT) Sylar will die
**It doesn't matter, so please stop moving the page.--{{User:Danko/Signature}} 17:08, 31 October 2009 (EDT)
Okay pushy you don't have to be so rude(I know you said please but it was still kind of pushy).--[[User:Jbennett338|jbennett338]] 22:09, 31 October 2009 (EDT)

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