Talk:Disproven theories - Revision history

imported>WolvenSpectre: /* AFD */

2007-03-30T14:18:47Z

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imported>WolvenSpectre: /* AFD */

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	{{plus}} For the AFD, {{minus}} for the article. Sorry, the temptation to use the new thingies is overwhelming this late.--[[User:Baldbobbo\|Bob]] 03:24, 30 March 2007 (EDT)		{{plus}} For the AFD, {{minus}} for the article. Sorry, the temptation to use the new thingies is overwhelming this late.--[[User:Baldbobbo\|Bob]] 03:24, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
	*Good call on deleting it. I feel like I can breathe a huge sigh of relief now. ~~— [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 06:46, 30 March 2007 (EDT)~~		*Good call on deleting it. I feel like I can breathe a huge sigh of relief now.
			— [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 06:46, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
			*Perhaps we should come up with a tag that is roughly equivalent to Wikipedia's "This Article is marked for deletion" for an entry in theories to show that a user/admin has marked a theory as disproven/disproved and state their reason why. This will give all users, even the less Wiki-Knowledgeable, to refute, update, or discuss why it should not be stricken yet. If after say 4,5,7 days from being tagged and there is a final decision, it can be deleted.<p>I would be glad to see this gone, but maybe some of the more humorous or interesting could be collected as an article at season 1's end.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 10:18, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* AFD */

2007-03-30T10:46:04Z

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	{{plus}} For the AFD, {{minus}} for the article. Sorry, the temptation to use the new thingies is overwhelming this late.--[[User:Baldbobbo\|Bob]] 03:24, 30 March 2007 (EDT)		{{plus}} For the AFD, {{minus}} for the article. Sorry, the temptation to use the new thingies is overwhelming this late.--[[User:Baldbobbo\|Bob]] 03:24, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
			*Good call on deleting it. I feel like I can breathe a huge sigh of relief now. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 06:46, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

imported>Baldbobbo: /* AFD */

2007-03-30T07:24:10Z

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	{{plus}}Couldn't you have posted this twenty minutes ago? I'm already halfway through proofreading it... :) Seriously, though, I'm convinced. —[[User:Soleta\|Soleta]] 14:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		{{plus}}Couldn't you have posted this twenty minutes ago? I'm already halfway through proofreading it... :) Seriously, though, I'm convinced. —[[User:Soleta\|Soleta]] 14:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
	**I can't see anyone ever reading it, hassle outweighs benefit. '''Axe it''' --''''' [[User:Ohmyn0\|<span style="color:#000000">Ohmyn0</span>]][[User talk:Ohmyn0\|<span style="color:#808080">(talk)</span>]]''''' 15:20, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		**I can't see anyone ever reading it, hassle outweighs benefit. '''Axe it''' --''''' [[User:Ohmyn0\|<span style="color:#000000">Ohmyn0</span>]][[User talk:Ohmyn0\|<span style="color:#808080">(talk)</span>]]''''' 15:20, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

			{{plus}} For the AFD, {{minus}} for the article. Sorry, the temptation to use the new thingies is overwhelming this late.--[[User:Baldbobbo\|Bob]] 03:24, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

imported>Mercury McKinnon: /* "Disproven"? */ clarify "debunked"

2007-03-30T07:07:26Z

"Disproven"?: clarify "debunked"

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	Hi. Is '''disproven''' a standard English word??? It isn't in the dictionaries I've checked ([http://m-w.com Merriam-Webster], [http://bartleby.com/61 American Heritage], and [http://dictionary.com Dictionary.com]). (There are lots of occurrences of it per Google, but none authoritative language-wise from what I saw.) According to the dictionaries, there's ''proven'' and ''unproven'', but no ''disproven''. The proper related form is ''disproved''.		Hi. Is '''disproven''' a standard English word??? It isn't in the dictionaries I've checked ([http://m-w.com Merriam-Webster], [http://bartleby.com/61 American Heritage], and [http://dictionary.com Dictionary.com]). (There are lots of occurrences of it per Google, but none authoritative language-wise from what I saw.) According to the dictionaries, there's ''proven'' and ''unproven'', but no ''disproven''. The proper related form is ''disproved''.

	I think ''disproven'' could be replaced with either '''debunked''', '''refuted''' or '''disproved'''. ''Refute'' is a synonym of ''disprove''. ''Debunk'' is not an exact synonym -- being used usually for legends or ~~rumors~~ (that ~~some~~ have ~~already~~ ~~believed~~ ~~and~~ ~~circulated~~ as ~~true/~~fact) than for theories (which strictly speaking implies proposal and further need for proof) -- but sounds cooler (to me) than ''refute'' and ''disprove''. --[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 08:29, 28 March 2007 (EDT)		I think ''disproven'' could be replaced with either '''debunked''', '''refuted''' or '''disproved'''. All three have the sense of showing the falseness or error of an idea. ''Refute'' is a synonym of ''disprove''. ''Debunk'' is not an exact synonym -- being used usually for legends, rumors or hoaxes (with an element that such claims have been cited as though they were established fact) than for theories (which strictly speaking implies proposal and further need for proof) -- but sounds cooler (to me) than ''refute'' and ''disprove''. --[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 08:29, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
	*I can't say since I'm french and grammar isn't my best friend but I like this kind of post ahah :) This website is about to be perfect and I like it :) -- <small><span style="border: 1px solid black">[[User:FrenchFlo\|'''<span style="background-color:blue; color:white; font-size:8pt">  FrenchFlo  </span>''']][[User talk:FrenchFlo\|<span style="background-color:white; color:black"> (talk) </span>]][[Special:Contributions/FrenchFlo\|<span style="background-color:red; color:black"> (contribs) </span>]]</span></small> 08:35, 28 March 2007 (EDT)		*I can't say since I'm french and grammar isn't my best friend but I like this kind of post ahah :) This website is about to be perfect and I like it :) -- <small><span style="border: 1px solid black">[[User:FrenchFlo\|'''<span style="background-color:blue; color:white; font-size:8pt">  FrenchFlo  </span>''']][[User talk:FrenchFlo\|<span style="background-color:white; color:black"> (talk) </span>]][[Special:Contributions/FrenchFlo\|<span style="background-color:red; color:black"> (contribs) </span>]]</span></small> 08:35, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
	Hey, Frenchflo. Actually, I was/am a bit apprehensive that this foray into semantics might get a big "who the f* cares!" response. ''Merci beaucoup!'' :-) --[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 08:44, 28 March 2007 (EDT)		Hey, Frenchflo. Actually, I was/am a bit apprehensive that this foray into semantics might get a big "who the f* cares!" response. ''Merci beaucoup!'' :-) --[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 08:44, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

imported>Mercury McKinnon: /* "Disproven"? */ tweak

2007-03-30T02:30:32Z

"Disproven"?: tweak

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	******** On the other hand, [[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] also suggested ''refuted theories'', which suits the actual content of the page more precisely, in my opinion. —[[User:Soleta\|Soleta]] 14:05, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		******** On the other hand, [[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] also suggested ''refuted theories'', which suits the actual content of the page more precisely, in my opinion. —[[User:Soleta\|Soleta]] 14:05, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
	********* That's fine if you want to change it. However, remember that all the other links would have to be changed -- a redirect would not work in this case because they are jumps, not just a redirect to a page. I'm counting at least 35 changes. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:29, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		********* That's fine if you want to change it. However, remember that all the other links would have to be changed -- a redirect would not work in this case because they are jumps, not just a redirect to a page. I'm counting at least 35 changes. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:29, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
	******* Then we agree. As I suggested, dictionary checks would just be a rule of thumb rather than an absolute rule. Ultimately, I think consensus would justify whether a certain coinage or turn of phrase ~~is most~~/~~more apt~~ in particular instances. --[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 22:07, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		******* Then we agree. As I suggested, dictionary checks would just be a rule of thumb or base rule rather than an absolute rule. Ultimately, I think consensus would justify whether a certain coinage or turn of phrase better/best suits particular instances. --[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 22:07, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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imported>Mercury McKinnon: /* "Disproven"? */ yup, I'm for dictionary as a general rather than hard-and-fast rule

2007-03-30T02:07:28Z

"Disproven"?: yup, I'm for dictionary as a general rather than hard-and-fast rule

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	******** On the other hand, [[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] also suggested ''refuted theories'', which suits the actual content of the page more precisely, in my opinion. —[[User:Soleta\|Soleta]] 14:05, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		******** On the other hand, [[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] also suggested ''refuted theories'', which suits the actual content of the page more precisely, in my opinion. —[[User:Soleta\|Soleta]] 14:05, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
	********* That's fine if you want to change it. However, remember that all the other links would have to be changed -- a redirect would not work in this case because they are jumps, not just a redirect to a page. I'm counting at least 35 changes. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:29, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		********* That's fine if you want to change it. However, remember that all the other links would have to be changed -- a redirect would not work in this case because they are jumps, not just a redirect to a page. I'm counting at least 35 changes. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:29, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
			******* Then we agree. As I suggested, dictionary checks would just be a rule of thumb rather than an absolute rule. Ultimately, I think consensus would justify whether a certain coinage or turn of phrase is most/more apt in particular instances. --[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 22:07, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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imported>Ohmyn0: /* AFD */

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	{{plus}}Couldn't you have posted this twenty minutes ago? I'm already halfway through proofreading it... :) Seriously, though, I'm convinced. —[[User:Soleta\|Soleta]] 14:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		{{plus}}Couldn't you have posted this twenty minutes ago? I'm already halfway through proofreading it... :) Seriously, though, I'm convinced. —[[User:Soleta\|Soleta]] 14:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
			**I can't see anyone ever reading it, hassle outweighs benefit. '''Axe it''' --''''' [[User:Ohmyn0\|<span style="color:#000000">Ohmyn0</span>]][[User talk:Ohmyn0\|<span style="color:#808080">(talk)</span>]]''''' 15:20, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

imported>Soleta at 18:51, 29 March 2007

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	*# The page needs to be renamed anyway. Deleting it is easier.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:38, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		*# The page needs to be renamed anyway. Deleting it is easier.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:38, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
	{{plus}}Agree. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:49, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		{{plus}}Agree. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:49, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

			{{plus}}Couldn't you have posted this twenty minutes ago? I'm already halfway through proofreading it... :) Seriously, though, I'm convinced. —[[User:Soleta\|Soleta]] 14:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* AFD */

2007-03-29T18:49:05Z

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	*# The only possible purpose of this page is to prevent people from re-adding disproved theories; however, the maintenance required to remove re-adds is less than the maintenance required by this page, especially since keeping this page won't prevent ''everybody'' from re-adding disproved theories. Not everyone checks it, and even if they do, the (lack of) organization is such that they may not find their duplicate.		*# The only possible purpose of this page is to prevent people from re-adding disproved theories; however, the maintenance required to remove re-adds is less than the maintenance required by this page, especially since keeping this page won't prevent ''everybody'' from re-adding disproved theories. Not everyone checks it, and even if they do, the (lack of) organization is such that they may not find their duplicate.
	*# The page needs to be renamed anyway. Deleting it is easier.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:38, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		*# The page needs to be renamed anyway. Deleting it is easier.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:38, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
			{{plus}}Agree. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:49, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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	{{plus}}Couldn't you have posted this twenty minutes ago? I'm already halfway through proofreading it... :) Seriously, though, I'm convinced. —[[User:Soleta\|Soleta]] 14:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		{{plus}}Couldn't you have posted this twenty minutes ago? I'm already halfway through proofreading it... :) Seriously, though, I'm convinced. —[[User:Soleta\|Soleta]] 14:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
	**I can't see anyone ever reading it, hassle outweighs benefit. '''Axe it''' --''''' [[User:Ohmyn0\|<span style="color:#000000">Ohmyn0</span>]][[User talk:Ohmyn0\|<span style="color:#808080">(talk)</span>]]''''' 15:20, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		**I can't see anyone ever reading it, hassle outweighs benefit. '''Axe it''' --''''' [[User:Ohmyn0\|<span style="color:#000000">Ohmyn0</span>]][[User talk:Ohmyn0\|<span style="color:#808080">(talk)</span>]]''''' 15:20, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

			{{plus}} For the AFD, {{minus}} for the article. Sorry, the temptation to use the new thingies is overwhelming this late.--[[User:Baldbobbo\|Bob]] 03:24, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

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	*# The page needs to be renamed anyway. Deleting it is easier.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:38, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		*# The page needs to be renamed anyway. Deleting it is easier.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 14:38, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
	{{plus}}Agree. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:49, 29 March 2007 (EDT)		{{plus}}Agree. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:49, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

			{{plus}}Couldn't you have posted this twenty minutes ago? I'm already halfway through proofreading it... :) Seriously, though, I'm convinced. —[[User:Soleta\|Soleta]] 14:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)