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imported>Ricard Desi: /* FINALLY tying back into the story */ new section

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	** I'm not sure I would call [[Adam Armus]] and [[Kay Foster]] "writer wannabes" since they are a full part of the writing staff, and are supervising producers of ''Heroes''. They also explained [[Interview:Destiny\|here]] that Edward's power has evolved, and they opened the question of it possibly being a natural occurrence through evolution, or possibly being a result of having been manipulated by the organization. It's also not the first time that two unrelated powers seem to merge. Matt can paint the future and cast illusions, which are evolutions of his power and the spiritual journey on which he's been. I agree that having that electrical ability would not have been my first choice had I written Edward's character, but it certainly has raised very good debate questions about Edward's backstory. I don't think it's fair to look just at the end result, but to imagine ''how'' he got to have that odd byproduct. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:13, 24 April 2009 (EDT)		** I'm not sure I would call [[Adam Armus]] and [[Kay Foster]] "writer wannabes" since they are a full part of the writing staff, and are supervising producers of ''Heroes''. They also explained [[Interview:Destiny\|here]] that Edward's power has evolved, and they opened the question of it possibly being a natural occurrence through evolution, or possibly being a result of having been manipulated by the organization. It's also not the first time that two unrelated powers seem to merge. Matt can paint the future and cast illusions, which are evolutions of his power and the spiritual journey on which he's been. I agree that having that electrical ability would not have been my first choice had I written Edward's character, but it certainly has raised very good debate questions about Edward's backstory. I don't think it's fair to look just at the end result, but to imagine ''how'' he got to have that odd byproduct. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:13, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
	*** It still looks pretty random that a passive ability would generate electricity, and still his abilities are probably temporal/mental rather than elemental. I really hate the cgi on the lightning, looks like a ball of effects from different tutorial sites...They may had good writers, but a crappy director. - Discipol		*** It still looks pretty random that a passive ability would generate electricity, and still his abilities are probably temporal/mental rather than elemental. I really hate the cgi on the lightning, looks like a ball of effects from different tutorial sites...They may had good writers, but a crappy director. - Discipol

			== FINALLY tying back into the story ==

			From the look of Hiro's latest blog post, we just might finally get to see how Edward, Santiago, SLW, and everyone here fit into the overall story. --'''[[User:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 17:11, 20 April 2010 (EDT)

imported>Discipol: /* His lightning ability */

2009-04-30T09:41:25Z

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	*I'm with you on this one. There is to big of a difference between the two.-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 09:39, 24 April 2009 (EDT)		*I'm with you on this one. There is to big of a difference between the two.-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 09:39, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
	** I'm not sure I would call [[Adam Armus]] and [[Kay Foster]] "writer wannabes" since they are a full part of the writing staff, and are supervising producers of ''Heroes''. They also explained [[Interview:Destiny\|here]] that Edward's power has evolved, and they opened the question of it possibly being a natural occurrence through evolution, or possibly being a result of having been manipulated by the organization. It's also not the first time that two unrelated powers seem to merge. Matt can paint the future and cast illusions, which are evolutions of his power and the spiritual journey on which he's been. I agree that having that electrical ability would not have been my first choice had I written Edward's character, but it certainly has raised very good debate questions about Edward's backstory. I don't think it's fair to look just at the end result, but to imagine ''how'' he got to have that odd byproduct. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:13, 24 April 2009 (EDT)		** I'm not sure I would call [[Adam Armus]] and [[Kay Foster]] "writer wannabes" since they are a full part of the writing staff, and are supervising producers of ''Heroes''. They also explained [[Interview:Destiny\|here]] that Edward's power has evolved, and they opened the question of it possibly being a natural occurrence through evolution, or possibly being a result of having been manipulated by the organization. It's also not the first time that two unrelated powers seem to merge. Matt can paint the future and cast illusions, which are evolutions of his power and the spiritual journey on which he's been. I agree that having that electrical ability would not have been my first choice had I written Edward's character, but it certainly has raised very good debate questions about Edward's backstory. I don't think it's fair to look just at the end result, but to imagine ''how'' he got to have that odd byproduct. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:13, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
			*** It still looks pretty random that a passive ability would generate electricity, and still his abilities are probably temporal/mental rather than elemental. I really hate the cgi on the lightning, looks like a ball of effects from different tutorial sites...They may had good writers, but a crappy director. - Discipol

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* His lightning ability */

2009-04-24T15:13:36Z

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	Is a bunch of crap some writer wannabe came up. He and his son do not have energy producing powers but biological enhancements like fast thinking and fast moving. You cannot have a bi-product of such power from something totally unrelated. It's like the Human Torch being able to walk through walls. You could find a pretty good explanation but COMMON!? - Discipol		Is a bunch of crap some writer wannabe came up. He and his son do not have energy producing powers but biological enhancements like fast thinking and fast moving. You cannot have a bi-product of such power from something totally unrelated. It's like the Human Torch being able to walk through walls. You could find a pretty good explanation but COMMON!? - Discipol
	*I'm with you on this one. There is to big of a difference between the two.-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 09:39, 24 April 2009 (EDT)		*I'm with you on this one. There is to big of a difference between the two.-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 09:39, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
			** I'm not sure I would call [[Adam Armus]] and [[Kay Foster]] "writer wannabes" since they are a full part of the writing staff, and are supervising producers of ''Heroes''. They also explained [[Interview:Destiny\|here]] that Edward's power has evolved, and they opened the question of it possibly being a natural occurrence through evolution, or possibly being a result of having been manipulated by the organization. It's also not the first time that two unrelated powers seem to merge. Matt can paint the future and cast illusions, which are evolutions of his power and the spiritual journey on which he's been. I agree that having that electrical ability would not have been my first choice had I written Edward's character, but it certainly has raised very good debate questions about Edward's backstory. I don't think it's fair to look just at the end result, but to imagine ''how'' he got to have that odd byproduct. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:13, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

imported>Catalyst: /* His lightning ability */

2009-04-24T13:39:00Z

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	Is a bunch of crap some writer wannabe came up. He and his son do not have energy producing powers but biological enhancements like fast thinking and fast moving. You cannot have a bi-product of such power from something totally unrelated. It's like the Human Torch being able to walk through walls. You could find a pretty good explanation but COMMON!? - Discipol		Is a bunch of crap some writer wannabe came up. He and his son do not have energy producing powers but biological enhancements like fast thinking and fast moving. You cannot have a bi-product of such power from something totally unrelated. It's like the Human Torch being able to walk through walls. You could find a pretty good explanation but COMMON!? - Discipol
			*I'm with you on this one. There is to big of a difference between the two.-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 09:39, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

imported>Discipol: /* His lightning ability */ new section

2009-04-24T13:13:14Z

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	* I wonder if the reason his ability has been shown as very different form Elle's to imply they arent the same ability. could [[:Image:Powers ap lightning1.jpg\|his ability]] be some form of [[wikipedia:plasma (physics)\|plasma manipulation]]		* I wonder if the reason his ability has been shown as very different form Elle's to imply they arent the same ability. could [[:Image:Powers ap lightning1.jpg\|his ability]] be some form of [[wikipedia:plasma (physics)\|plasma manipulation]]
	[[User:Shoyru1177\|Shoyru1177]] 15:50, 20 December 2008 (EST)		[[User:Shoyru1177\|Shoyru1177]] 15:50, 20 December 2008 (EST)

			== His lightning ability ==

			Is a bunch of crap some writer wannabe came up. He and his son do not have energy producing powers but biological enhancements like fast thinking and fast moving. You cannot have a bi-product of such power from something totally unrelated. It's like the Human Torch being able to walk through walls. You could find a pretty good explanation but COMMON!? - Discipol

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Edward's ability */

2008-12-20T20:55:57Z

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	***** I get removing Edward from AC, but should he still be listed as having super speed and electric manipulation as a part of another ability, like Daphne, though not as a byproduct? At least on the super speed matter, there is consistency in the effects from Edward and Santiago's running. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 15:10, 20 December 2008 (EST)		***** I get removing Edward from AC, but should he still be listed as having super speed and electric manipulation as a part of another ability, like Daphne, though not as a byproduct? At least on the super speed matter, there is consistency in the effects from Edward and Santiago's running. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 15:10, 20 December 2008 (EST)
	****** If I'm understanding it correctly (and I'm not sure I am ;)), I think it's similar to Mohinder not being listed on the enhanced strength page. Edward has the ability to generate electricity and run really fast, but those attributes stem from his ability, not from electric manipulation and super speed. Of course, depending on what one believes about how empathic mimicry works, a similar argument could be made that Peter should be delisted from all of the powers, and that it's the mimicry that's actually working (though I ascribe to the idea that the mimicry gives him the power rather than actively duplicates it)... --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 15:16, 20 December 2008 (EST)		****** If I'm understanding it correctly (and I'm not sure I am ;)), I think it's similar to Mohinder not being listed on the enhanced strength page. Edward has the ability to generate electricity and run really fast, but those attributes stem from his ability, not from electric manipulation and super speed. Of course, depending on what one believes about how empathic mimicry works, a similar argument could be made that Peter should be delisted from all of the powers, and that it's the mimicry that's actually working (though I ascribe to the idea that the mimicry gives him the power rather than actively duplicates it)... --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 15:16, 20 December 2008 (EST)
			******* Stevehim, I think you're understanding it perfectly. [[Super speed]] and [[enhanced strength]] are not articles that list examples of times when people run really fast or show that they are really strong. They are unique abilities. If [[Audrey]] had a huge adrenaline rush and lifted a vehicle off of a child, we wouldn't necessarily say that she has [[enhanced strength]]--we just know that she did something extraordinary, but that does not mean she possesses that ability. I did, however, list in the notes sections of [[accelerated probability]], [[electric manipulation]], and [[super speed]] that [[Edward's ability]] resembles those other powers. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:55, 20 December 2008 (EST)

	== Connection with the Company. ==		== Connection with the Company. ==

imported>Shoyru1177: forgot to sign

2008-12-20T20:50:01Z

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	*** Super speed has been confirmed to be a byproduct, and massive static electricity happens to be the most accepted theory, at least that I've seen in the wiki. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 18:19, 18 December 2008 (EST)		*** Super speed has been confirmed to be a byproduct, and massive static electricity happens to be the most accepted theory, at least that I've seen in the wiki. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 18:19, 18 December 2008 (EST)
	* I wonder if the reason his ability has been shown as very different form Elle's to imply they arent the same ability. could [[:Image:Powers ap lightning1.jpg\|his ability]] be some form of [[wikipedia:plasma (physics)\|plasma manipulation]]		* I wonder if the reason his ability has been shown as very different form Elle's to imply they arent the same ability. could [[:Image:Powers ap lightning1.jpg\|his ability]] be some form of [[wikipedia:plasma (physics)\|plasma manipulation]]
			[[User:Shoyru1177\|Shoyru1177]] 15:50, 20 December 2008 (EST)

imported>Shoyru1177 at 20:49, 20 December 2008

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	** Is it possible that his electric manipulation is just MASSIVE static electricity? Kidding... of course ^.^ [[User:Anomy\|Anomy]] 16:31, 18 December 2008 (EST)		** Is it possible that his electric manipulation is just MASSIVE static electricity? Kidding... of course ^.^ [[User:Anomy\|Anomy]] 16:31, 18 December 2008 (EST)
	*** Super speed has been confirmed to be a byproduct, and massive static electricity happens to be the most accepted theory, at least that I've seen in the wiki. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 18:19, 18 December 2008 (EST)		*** Super speed has been confirmed to be a byproduct, and massive static electricity happens to be the most accepted theory, at least that I've seen in the wiki. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 18:19, 18 December 2008 (EST)
			* I wonder if the reason his ability has been shown as very different form Elle's to imply they arent the same ability. could [[:Image:Powers ap lightning1.jpg\|his ability]] be some form of [[wikipedia:plasma (physics)\|plasma manipulation]]

imported>Stevehim: /* Edward's ability */

2008-12-20T20:16:56Z

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	**** Excellent point, Admin. Thank you for pointing that out so clearly and obviously. I'll take care of it now. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:38, 20 December 2008 (EST)		**** Excellent point, Admin. Thank you for pointing that out so clearly and obviously. I'll take care of it now. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:38, 20 December 2008 (EST)
	***** I get removing Edward from AC, but should he still be listed as having super speed and electric manipulation as a part of another ability, like Daphne, though not as a byproduct? At least on the super speed matter, there is consistency in the effects from Edward and Santiago's running. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 15:10, 20 December 2008 (EST)		***** I get removing Edward from AC, but should he still be listed as having super speed and electric manipulation as a part of another ability, like Daphne, though not as a byproduct? At least on the super speed matter, there is consistency in the effects from Edward and Santiago's running. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 15:10, 20 December 2008 (EST)
			****** If I'm understanding it correctly (and I'm not sure I am ;)), I think it's similar to Mohinder not being listed on the enhanced strength page. Edward has the ability to generate electricity and run really fast, but those attributes stem from his ability, not from electric manipulation and super speed. Of course, depending on what one believes about how empathic mimicry works, a similar argument could be made that Peter should be delisted from all of the powers, and that it's the mimicry that's actually working (though I ascribe to the idea that the mimicry gives him the power rather than actively duplicates it)... --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 15:16, 20 December 2008 (EST)

	== Connection with the Company. ==		== Connection with the Company. ==

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	*** Super speed has been confirmed to be a byproduct, and massive static electricity happens to be the most accepted theory, at least that I've seen in the wiki. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 18:19, 18 December 2008 (EST)		*** Super speed has been confirmed to be a byproduct, and massive static electricity happens to be the most accepted theory, at least that I've seen in the wiki. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 18:19, 18 December 2008 (EST)
	* I wonder if the reason his ability has been shown as very different form Elle's to imply they arent the same ability. could [[:Image:Powers ap lightning1.jpg\|his ability]] be some form of [[wikipedia:plasma (physics)\|plasma manipulation]]		* I wonder if the reason his ability has been shown as very different form Elle's to imply they arent the same ability. could [[:Image:Powers ap lightning1.jpg\|his ability]] be some form of [[wikipedia:plasma (physics)\|plasma manipulation]]
			[[User:Shoyru1177\|Shoyru1177]] 15:50, 20 December 2008 (EST)

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	** Is it possible that his electric manipulation is just MASSIVE static electricity? Kidding... of course ^.^ [[User:Anomy\|Anomy]] 16:31, 18 December 2008 (EST)		** Is it possible that his electric manipulation is just MASSIVE static electricity? Kidding... of course ^.^ [[User:Anomy\|Anomy]] 16:31, 18 December 2008 (EST)
	*** Super speed has been confirmed to be a byproduct, and massive static electricity happens to be the most accepted theory, at least that I've seen in the wiki. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 18:19, 18 December 2008 (EST)		*** Super speed has been confirmed to be a byproduct, and massive static electricity happens to be the most accepted theory, at least that I've seen in the wiki. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 18:19, 18 December 2008 (EST)
			* I wonder if the reason his ability has been shown as very different form Elle's to imply they arent the same ability. could [[:Image:Powers ap lightning1.jpg\|his ability]] be some form of [[wikipedia:plasma (physics)\|plasma manipulation]]