Talk:Evolution - Revision history

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Opening sentence */

2007-12-03T02:55:30Z

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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Opening sentence */

2007-12-03T02:55:30Z

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	*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. We strive for accuracy in the world of ''Heroes'', not in the real world. On ''Heroes'', Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)		*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. We strive for accuracy in the world of ''Heroes'', not in the real world. On ''Heroes'', Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)
	******So we can argue all we want about making scientifically accurate names for the powers exhibited (which have no basis in real life for comparison), but we let the accuracy of our other pages be swayed by the personal beliefs or the characters in the show (who are not real people)?		******So we can argue all we want about making scientifically accurate names for the powers exhibited (which have no basis in real life for comparison), but we let the accuracy of our other pages be swayed by the personal beliefs or the characters in the show (who are not real people)?
			*******Yes, absolutely. This is not an article about [[wikipedia:evolution\|evolution]] in the real world. This is an article about evolution as it appears on ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:55, 2 December 2007 (EST)
	* A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Science scientific theory] is not the same thing as a theory. Evolution is a scientific theory. - [[User:Hive\|Hive]] 19:23, 25 November 2007 (EST)		* A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Science scientific theory] is not the same thing as a theory. Evolution is a scientific theory. - [[User:Hive\|Hive]] 19:23, 25 November 2007 (EST)
	** According to that link, 'a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable.' Evolution is not testable, nor is it predictive, nor is it logical. Therefore, I'd say it doesn't qualify as a scientific theory. I'll grant this concession though: it is 'scientific' in the sense that it relates to science, but not in the sense that it can be scientifically proved, or that it follows the laws of science.		** According to that link, 'a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable.' Evolution is not testable, nor is it predictive, nor is it logical. Therefore, I'd say it doesn't qualify as a scientific theory. I'll grant this concession though: it is 'scientific' in the sense that it relates to science, but not in the sense that it can be scientifically proved, or that it follows the laws of science.

imported>Yamawhata?: /* Opening sentence */ more of my thoughts

2007-12-03T02:43:49Z

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	****My belief was that on this site, we strove for accuracy wherever possible. If we argue about such things as if [[Zane Taylor]]'s power can be called melting because no heat is added, I think this is a valid arguement.		****My belief was that on this site, we strove for accuracy wherever possible. If we argue about such things as if [[Zane Taylor]]'s power can be called melting because no heat is added, I think this is a valid arguement.
	*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. We strive for accuracy in the world of ''Heroes'', not in the real world. On ''Heroes'', Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)		*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. We strive for accuracy in the world of ''Heroes'', not in the real world. On ''Heroes'', Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)
			******So we can argue all we want about making scientifically accurate names for the powers exhibited (which have no basis in real life for comparison), but we let the accuracy of our other pages be swayed by the personal beliefs or the characters in the show (who are not real people)?
	* A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Science scientific theory] is not the same thing as a theory. Evolution is a scientific theory. - [[User:Hive\|Hive]] 19:23, 25 November 2007 (EST)		* A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Science scientific theory] is not the same thing as a theory. Evolution is a scientific theory. - [[User:Hive\|Hive]] 19:23, 25 November 2007 (EST)
	** According to that link, 'a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable.' Evolution is not testable, nor is it predictive, nor is it logical. Therefore, I'd say it doesn't qualify as a scientific theory. I'll grant this concession though: it is 'scientific' in the sense that it relates to science, but not in the sense that it can be scientifically proved, or that it follows the laws of science.		** According to that link, 'a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable.' Evolution is not testable, nor is it predictive, nor is it logical. Therefore, I'd say it doesn't qualify as a scientific theory. I'll grant this concession though: it is 'scientific' in the sense that it relates to science, but not in the sense that it can be scientifically proved, or that it follows the laws of science.

imported>Yamawhata?: /* Opening sentence */

2007-11-29T00:01:40Z

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	*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. We strive for accuracy in the world of ''Heroes'', not in the real world. On ''Heroes'', Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)		*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. We strive for accuracy in the world of ''Heroes'', not in the real world. On ''Heroes'', Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)
	* A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Science scientific theory] is not the same thing as a theory. Evolution is a scientific theory. - [[User:Hive\|Hive]] 19:23, 25 November 2007 (EST)		* A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Science scientific theory] is not the same thing as a theory. Evolution is a scientific theory. - [[User:Hive\|Hive]] 19:23, 25 November 2007 (EST)
	** According to ~~this~~, 'a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable.' Evolution is not testable, nor is it predictive, nor is it logical. Therefore, I'd say it doesn't qualify as a scientific theory. I'll grant this concession though: it is 'scientific' in the sense that it relates to science, but not in the sense that it can be scientifically proved, or that it follows the laws of science.		** According to that link, 'a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable.' Evolution is not testable, nor is it predictive, nor is it logical. Therefore, I'd say it doesn't qualify as a scientific theory. I'll grant this concession though: it is 'scientific' in the sense that it relates to science, but not in the sense that it can be scientifically proved, or that it follows the laws of science.

	== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==		== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==

imported>Yamawhata?: /* Opening sentence */

2007-11-29T00:01:00Z

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	*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. We strive for accuracy in the world of ''Heroes'', not in the real world. On ''Heroes'', Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)		*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. We strive for accuracy in the world of ''Heroes'', not in the real world. On ''Heroes'', Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)
	* A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Science scientific theory] is not the same thing as a theory. Evolution is a scientific theory. - [[User:Hive\|Hive]] 19:23, 25 November 2007 (EST)		* A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Science scientific theory] is not the same thing as a theory. Evolution is a scientific theory. - [[User:Hive\|Hive]] 19:23, 25 November 2007 (EST)
			** According to this, 'a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable.' Evolution is not testable, nor is it predictive, nor is it logical. Therefore, I'd say it doesn't qualify as a scientific theory. I'll grant this concession though: it is 'scientific' in the sense that it relates to science, but not in the sense that it can be scientifically proved, or that it follows the laws of science.

	== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==		== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==

imported>Hive: /* Opening sentence */

2007-11-26T00:23:44Z

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	****My belief was that on this site, we strove for accuracy wherever possible. If we argue about such things as if [[Zane Taylor]]'s power can be called melting because no heat is added, I think this is a valid arguement.		****My belief was that on this site, we strove for accuracy wherever possible. If we argue about such things as if [[Zane Taylor]]'s power can be called melting because no heat is added, I think this is a valid arguement.
	*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. We strive for accuracy in the world of ''Heroes'', not in the real world. On ''Heroes'', Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)		*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. We strive for accuracy in the world of ''Heroes'', not in the real world. On ''Heroes'', Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)
			* A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Science scientific theory] is not the same thing as a theory. Evolution is a scientific theory. - [[User:Hive\|Hive]] 19:23, 25 November 2007 (EST)

	== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==		== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Opening sentence */

2007-11-26T00:22:40Z

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	***Whether you agree or disagree with the theory of evolution, it's still a scientific theory. Regardless, we don't need to worry about whether it's a proved, valid, or even plausible theory--on ''Heroes'' it's a scientific theory, and that's all that matters. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:57, 25 November 2007 (EST)		***Whether you agree or disagree with the theory of evolution, it's still a scientific theory. Regardless, we don't need to worry about whether it's a proved, valid, or even plausible theory--on ''Heroes'' it's a scientific theory, and that's all that matters. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:57, 25 November 2007 (EST)
	****My belief was that on this site, we strove for accuracy wherever possible. If we argue about such things as if [[Zane Taylor]]'s power can be called melting because no heat is added, I think this is a valid arguement.		****My belief was that on this site, we strove for accuracy wherever possible. If we argue about such things as if [[Zane Taylor]]'s power can be called melting because no heat is added, I think this is a valid arguement.
	*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)		*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. We strive for accuracy in the world of ''Heroes'', not in the real world. On ''Heroes'', Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)

	== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==		== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Opening sentence */

2007-11-26T00:21:49Z

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	***Whether you agree or disagree with the theory of evolution, it's still a scientific theory. Regardless, we don't need to worry about whether it's a proved, valid, or even plausible theory--on ''Heroes'' it's a scientific theory, and that's all that matters. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:57, 25 November 2007 (EST)		***Whether you agree or disagree with the theory of evolution, it's still a scientific theory. Regardless, we don't need to worry about whether it's a proved, valid, or even plausible theory--on ''Heroes'' it's a scientific theory, and that's all that matters. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:57, 25 November 2007 (EST)
	****My belief was that on this site, we strove for accuracy wherever possible. If we argue about such things as if [[Zane Taylor]]'s power can be called melting because no heat is added, I think this is a valid arguement.		****My belief was that on this site, we strove for accuracy wherever possible. If we argue about such things as if [[Zane Taylor]]'s power can be called melting because no heat is added, I think this is a valid arguement.
			*****We do strive for accuracy, and things that are one way in the world of ''Heroes'' are not necessarily the same in the world we live in. Mohinder and Chandra are both scientists (geneticists, to be exact), and they both subscribe to the theory of evolution. In fact, it is the basis for all of their [[research]]. Whether you believe it is a scientific theory or not in the real world, it certainly is a scientific theory in ''[[Heroes]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 25 November 2007 (EST)

	== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==		== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==

imported>Yamawhata?: /* Opening sentence */

2007-11-26T00:03:37Z

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	**How can you call it a scientific fact when most other scientific facts disprove it? I cite for examples the first and second laws of thermodynamics. These are LAWS, therefore they outrank THEORIES, yet according to these laws, macroevolution could not have happened. So why is evolution considered a 'scientific' theory? BTW, have they ever found real scientific evidence to support it? From what I've heard, they've proved in labs that life could not have spontaneously begun from primordeal soup.--[[User:Yamawhata?\|Yamawhata?]] 18:53, 25 November 2007 (EST)		**How can you call it a scientific fact when most other scientific facts disprove it? I cite for examples the first and second laws of thermodynamics. These are LAWS, therefore they outrank THEORIES, yet according to these laws, macroevolution could not have happened. So why is evolution considered a 'scientific' theory? BTW, have they ever found real scientific evidence to support it? From what I've heard, they've proved in labs that life could not have spontaneously begun from primordeal soup.--[[User:Yamawhata?\|Yamawhata?]] 18:53, 25 November 2007 (EST)
	***Whether you agree or disagree with the theory of evolution, it's still a scientific theory. Regardless, we don't need to worry about whether it's a proved, valid, or even plausible theory--on ''Heroes'' it's a scientific theory, and that's all that matters. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:57, 25 November 2007 (EST)		***Whether you agree or disagree with the theory of evolution, it's still a scientific theory. Regardless, we don't need to worry about whether it's a proved, valid, or even plausible theory--on ''Heroes'' it's a scientific theory, and that's all that matters. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:57, 25 November 2007 (EST)
			****My belief was that on this site, we strove for accuracy wherever possible. If we argue about such things as if [[Zane Taylor]]'s power can be called melting because no heat is added, I think this is a valid arguement.

	== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==		== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Opening sentence */

2007-11-25T23:57:32Z

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	* Evolution= scietific fact. That is all I have to say about this subject. --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 23:51, 23 November 2007 (EST)		* Evolution= scietific fact. That is all I have to say about this subject. --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 23:51, 23 November 2007 (EST)
	**How can you call it a scientific fact when most other scientific facts disprove it? I cite for examples the first and second laws of thermodynamics. These are LAWS, therefore they outrank THEORIES, yet according to these laws, macroevolution could not have happened. So why is evolution considered a 'scientific' theory? BTW, have they ever found real scientific evidence to support it? From what I've heard, they've proved in labs that life could not have spontaneously begun from primordeal soup.--[[User:Yamawhata?\|Yamawhata?]] 18:53, 25 November 2007 (EST)		**How can you call it a scientific fact when most other scientific facts disprove it? I cite for examples the first and second laws of thermodynamics. These are LAWS, therefore they outrank THEORIES, yet according to these laws, macroevolution could not have happened. So why is evolution considered a 'scientific' theory? BTW, have they ever found real scientific evidence to support it? From what I've heard, they've proved in labs that life could not have spontaneously begun from primordeal soup.--[[User:Yamawhata?\|Yamawhata?]] 18:53, 25 November 2007 (EST)
			***Whether you agree or disagree with the theory of evolution, it's still a scientific theory. Regardless, we don't need to worry about whether it's a proved, valid, or even plausible theory--on ''Heroes'' it's a scientific theory, and that's all that matters. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:57, 25 November 2007 (EST)

	== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==		== Took it upon myself, if you guys don't mind. ==