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imported>MiamiVolts: /* Fiona */ note I revised the flight article section to allow for the fall possibility

2015-12-13T05:01:21Z

Fiona: note I revised the flight article section to allow for the fall possibility

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imported>MiamiVolts: /* Fiona */ note I revised the flight article section to allow for the fall possibility

2015-12-13T05:01:21Z

Fiona: note I revised the flight article section to allow for the fall possibility

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	Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point be a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)		Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point be a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)
	*It could be that she was descending from the sky, so her hair and shirt was just trying to keep up with momentum for a second.--[[User:Sekobro\|Sekobro]] ([[User talk:Sekobro\|talk]]) 19:42, 12 December 2015 (EST)		*It could be that she was descending from the sky, so her hair and shirt was just trying to keep up with momentum for a second.--[[User:Sekobro\|Sekobro]] ([[User talk:Sekobro\|talk]]) 19:42, 12 December 2015 (EST)
	** Based on the upside down evo hanging from the ceiling, I'm not sure it's plausible that she descended from the sky. However, since her demonstration to Father Mauricio is likely being done in the area below [[Gutierrez and Sons]], then the wind might be explained by her falling from garage level to the basement instead of taking the ladder down... Looking at the image, not knowing the context, it's as if the ends of her hair are being raised as if she's electrified... but that wouldn't explain her t-shirt, which is why I thought and still think wind makes for a better explanation. ~~Fall~~ ~~that~~ ~~produces~~ ~~wind~~ could have ~~caused~~ her t-shirt to be raised as it was illustrated. I'm not sure it would cause her hair to be shown as it is but I think it's worth noting. Thanks, Sekobro.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:23, 12 December 2015 (EST)		** Based on the upside down evo hanging from the ceiling, I'm not sure it's plausible that she descended from the sky. However, since I think her demonstration to Father Mauricio is likely being done in the area below [[Gutierrez and Sons]], then the wind might be explained by her falling from garage level to the basement instead of taking the ladder down... Looking at the image, not knowing the context, to me it looks like the ends of her hair are being raised as if she's electrified... but that wouldn't explain her t-shirt, which is why I thought and still think wind makes for a better explanation. I think a fall could have produced enough wind to cause her t-shirt to be raised as it was illustrated. I'm not sure such a fall would cause her hair to be shown as elevated as it is but I think it's worth noting and have noted this possibility in Fiona's section in the flight article. Thanks, Sekobro.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:01, 13 December 2015 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: /* Fiona */ reply

2015-12-13T04:23:22Z

Fiona: reply

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	Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point be a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)		Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point be a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)
	*It could be that she was descending from the sky, so her hair and shirt was just trying to keep up with momentum for a second.--[[User:Sekobro\|Sekobro]] ([[User talk:Sekobro\|talk]]) 19:42, 12 December 2015 (EST)		*It could be that she was descending from the sky, so her hair and shirt was just trying to keep up with momentum for a second.--[[User:Sekobro\|Sekobro]] ([[User talk:Sekobro\|talk]]) 19:42, 12 December 2015 (EST)
			** Based on the upside down evo hanging from the ceiling, I'm not sure it's plausible that she descended from the sky. However, since her demonstration to Father Mauricio is likely being done in the area below [[Gutierrez and Sons]], then the wind might be explained by her falling from garage level to the basement instead of taking the ladder down... Looking at the image, not knowing the context, it's as if the ends of her hair are being raised as if she's electrified... but that wouldn't explain her t-shirt, which is why I thought and still think wind makes for a better explanation. Fall that produces wind could have caused her t-shirt to be raised as it was illustrated. I'm not sure it would cause her hair to be shown as it is but I think it's worth noting. Thanks, Sekobro.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:23, 12 December 2015 (EST)

imported>Sekobro: /* Fiona */

2015-12-13T00:42:24Z

Fiona

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	==Fiona==		==Fiona==
	Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point be a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)		Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point be a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)
			*It could be that she was descending from the sky, so her hair and shirt was just trying to keep up with momentum for a second.--[[User:Sekobro\|Sekobro]] ([[User talk:Sekobro\|talk]]) 19:42, 12 December 2015 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: /* Fiona */ gr

2015-12-11T23:41:24Z

Fiona: gr

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	* I don't think there needs to be a hover ability, and I actually see hovering as commonly held aspect of flying rather than the rule... most airplanes are built to fly from place to place, but the majority of them do not hover... On the other hand, helicopters are built with the capacity to hover, but I think their main purpose is to fly from place to place. That said, there is also an ability for those who can only hover themselves and/or other objects and it's called [[levitation]] (the character [[agent (electric manipulation)]] was able to levitate as an aspect of his ability). For those that can move around/fly through the air, there are already at least two abilities: flight (for flying in general) and weather control (as an aspect/feat by [[Alice Shaw]]). In theory, I think [[telekinesis]] could have as an aspect/feat both levitation and flight.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)		* I don't think there needs to be a hover ability, and I actually see hovering as commonly held aspect of flying rather than the rule... most airplanes are built to fly from place to place, but the majority of them do not hover... On the other hand, helicopters are built with the capacity to hover, but I think their main purpose is to fly from place to place. That said, there is also an ability for those who can only hover themselves and/or other objects and it's called [[levitation]] (the character [[agent (electric manipulation)]] was able to levitate as an aspect of his ability). For those that can move around/fly through the air, there are already at least two abilities: flight (for flying in general) and weather control (as an aspect/feat by [[Alice Shaw]]). In theory, I think [[telekinesis]] could have as an aspect/feat both levitation and flight.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)
	==Fiona==		==Fiona==
	Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)		Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point be a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: /* Fiona */ clarify

2015-12-11T23:40:11Z

Fiona: clarify

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	* I don't think there needs to be a hover ability, and I actually see hovering as commonly held aspect of flying rather than the rule... most airplanes are built to fly from place to place, but the majority of them do not hover... On the other hand, helicopters are built with the capacity to hover, but I think their main purpose is to fly from place to place. That said, there is also an ability for those who can only hover themselves and/or other objects and it's called [[levitation]] (the character [[agent (electric manipulation)]] was able to levitate as an aspect of his ability). For those that can move around/fly through the air, there are already at least two abilities: flight (for flying in general) and weather control (as an aspect/feat by [[Alice Shaw]]). In theory, I think [[telekinesis]] could have as an aspect/feat both levitation and flight.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)		* I don't think there needs to be a hover ability, and I actually see hovering as commonly held aspect of flying rather than the rule... most airplanes are built to fly from place to place, but the majority of them do not hover... On the other hand, helicopters are built with the capacity to hover, but I think their main purpose is to fly from place to place. That said, there is also an ability for those who can only hover themselves and/or other objects and it's called [[levitation]] (the character [[agent (electric manipulation)]] was able to levitate as an aspect of his ability). For those that can move around/fly through the air, there are already at least two abilities: flight (for flying in general) and weather control (as an aspect/feat by [[Alice Shaw]]). In theory, I think [[telekinesis]] could have as an aspect/feat both levitation and flight.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)
	==Fiona==		==Fiona==
	Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point need to ~~be a rethinking of~~ whether her ability is primarily flight or whether ~~that~~ is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)		Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: /* Hovering */ my thoughts, and discuss Fiona

2015-12-11T22:22:27Z

Hovering: my thoughts, and discuss Fiona

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	* The boy is actually credited as "[[floating boy]]". -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 04:12, 1 October 2015 (EDT)		* The boy is actually credited as "[[floating boy]]". -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 04:12, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
	** Oh, I didn't realize that. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 09:35, 1 October 2015 (EDT)		** Oh, I didn't realize that. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 09:35, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
			* I don't think there needs to be a hover ability, and I actually see hovering as commonly held aspect of flying rather than the rule... most airplanes are built to fly from place to place, but the majority of them do not hover... On the other hand, helicopters are built with the capacity to hover, but I think their main purpose is to fly from place to place. That said, there is also an ability for those who can only hover themselves and/or other objects and it's called [[levitation]] (the character [[agent (electric manipulation)]] was able to levitate as an aspect of his ability). For those that can move around/fly through the air, there are already at least two abilities: flight (for flying in general) and weather control (as an aspect/feat by [[Alice Shaw]]). In theory, I think [[telekinesis]] could have as an aspect/feat both levitation and flight.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)
			==Fiona==
			Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point need to be a rethinking of whether her ability is primarily flight or whether that is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Hovering */

2015-10-01T13:35:53Z

Hovering

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	*** Okay, I can accept that. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:56, 28 September 2015 (EDT)		*** Okay, I can accept that. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:56, 28 September 2015 (EDT)
	* The boy is actually credited as "[[floating boy]]". -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 04:12, 1 October 2015 (EDT)		* The boy is actually credited as "[[floating boy]]". -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 04:12, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
			** Oh, I didn't realize that. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 09:35, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

imported>Level: /* Hovering */ floating boy

2015-10-01T08:12:16Z

Hovering: floating boy

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	** I agree - none of the characters that we have seen "hovering" actually have experience with using their abilities (with the possible exception of Rob, but he was still inexperienced enough that he had to make "attempt" videos). The iconic scene with Peter on the roof comes to mind when I think of someone inexperienced with the [[flight]] ability using it to hover, but there's also [[Aiden]], who could only hover at first before discovering he could propel himself in different directions. As for Donna's video being titled "Hovering girl", that's probably just because she didn't fly in the video in the traditional sense - titling the video "Flying girl" would have been misleading when she's only using her ability to travel a few feet off the ground. -[[User:Kon\|Kon]] ([[User talk:Kon\|talk]]) 18:29, 28 September 2015 (EDT)		** I agree - none of the characters that we have seen "hovering" actually have experience with using their abilities (with the possible exception of Rob, but he was still inexperienced enough that he had to make "attempt" videos). The iconic scene with Peter on the roof comes to mind when I think of someone inexperienced with the [[flight]] ability using it to hover, but there's also [[Aiden]], who could only hover at first before discovering he could propel himself in different directions. As for Donna's video being titled "Hovering girl", that's probably just because she didn't fly in the video in the traditional sense - titling the video "Flying girl" would have been misleading when she's only using her ability to travel a few feet off the ground. -[[User:Kon\|Kon]] ([[User talk:Kon\|talk]]) 18:29, 28 September 2015 (EDT)
	*** Okay, I can accept that. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:56, 28 September 2015 (EDT)		*** Okay, I can accept that. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:56, 28 September 2015 (EDT)
			* The boy is actually credited as "[[floating boy]]". -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 04:12, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Hovering */

2015-09-28T23:56:47Z

Hovering

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	* I can't say I see the need for the split at this time. Those with the flight ability are able to hover. Peter did it (accidentally) when he was talking with Nathan early on for instance. I would say IF they're currently limited to hovering then it's because they're still experimenting with their powers. If you could fly wouldn't you stay close to ground at first? :) That being said those last two sentences are speculative/opinions, though Peter (and probably others I'm not remembering off the top of my head) do show that at the very least flight appears to imply the ability to hover. So I don't see a firm enough and definitive distinction between the two that I would support a split at this time. Also how people are credited or refer to themselves should be taken into consideration, but in my opinion it's poor quality reference information and only really wins out when there's little other evidence. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 17:15, 28 September 2015 (EDT))		* I can't say I see the need for the split at this time. Those with the flight ability are able to hover. Peter did it (accidentally) when he was talking with Nathan early on for instance. I would say IF they're currently limited to hovering then it's because they're still experimenting with their powers. If you could fly wouldn't you stay close to ground at first? :) That being said those last two sentences are speculative/opinions, though Peter (and probably others I'm not remembering off the top of my head) do show that at the very least flight appears to imply the ability to hover. So I don't see a firm enough and definitive distinction between the two that I would support a split at this time. Also how people are credited or refer to themselves should be taken into consideration, but in my opinion it's poor quality reference information and only really wins out when there's little other evidence. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 17:15, 28 September 2015 (EDT))
	** I agree - none of the characters that we have seen "hovering" actually have experience with using their abilities (with the possible exception of Rob, but he was still inexperienced enough that he had to make "attempt" videos). The iconic scene with Peter on the roof comes to mind when I think of someone inexperienced with the [[flight]] ability using it to hover, but there's also [[Aiden]], who could only hover at first before discovering he could propel himself in different directions. As for Donna's video being titled "Hovering girl", that's probably just because she didn't fly in the video in the traditional sense - titling the video "Flying girl" would have been misleading when she's only using her ability to travel a few feet off the ground. -[[User:Kon\|Kon]] ([[User talk:Kon\|talk]]) 18:29, 28 September 2015 (EDT)		** I agree - none of the characters that we have seen "hovering" actually have experience with using their abilities (with the possible exception of Rob, but he was still inexperienced enough that he had to make "attempt" videos). The iconic scene with Peter on the roof comes to mind when I think of someone inexperienced with the [[flight]] ability using it to hover, but there's also [[Aiden]], who could only hover at first before discovering he could propel himself in different directions. As for Donna's video being titled "Hovering girl", that's probably just because she didn't fly in the video in the traditional sense - titling the video "Flying girl" would have been misleading when she's only using her ability to travel a few feet off the ground. -[[User:Kon\|Kon]] ([[User talk:Kon\|talk]]) 18:29, 28 September 2015 (EDT)
			*** Okay, I can accept that. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:56, 28 September 2015 (EDT)

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	Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point be a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)		Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point be a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)
	*It could be that she was descending from the sky, so her hair and shirt was just trying to keep up with momentum for a second.--[[User:Sekobro\|Sekobro]] ([[User talk:Sekobro\|talk]]) 19:42, 12 December 2015 (EST)		*It could be that she was descending from the sky, so her hair and shirt was just trying to keep up with momentum for a second.--[[User:Sekobro\|Sekobro]] ([[User talk:Sekobro\|talk]]) 19:42, 12 December 2015 (EST)
	** Based on the upside down evo hanging from the ceiling, I'm not sure it's plausible that she descended from the sky. However, since her demonstration to Father Mauricio is likely being done in the area below [[Gutierrez and Sons]], then the wind might be explained by her falling from garage level to the basement instead of taking the ladder down... Looking at the image, not knowing the context, it's as if the ends of her hair are being raised as if she's electrified... but that wouldn't explain her t-shirt, which is why I thought and still think wind makes for a better explanation. ~~Fall~~ ~~that~~ ~~produces~~ ~~wind~~ could have ~~caused~~ her t-shirt to be raised as it was illustrated. I'm not sure it would cause her hair to be shown as it is but I think it's worth noting. Thanks, Sekobro.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:23, 12 December 2015 (EST)		** Based on the upside down evo hanging from the ceiling, I'm not sure it's plausible that she descended from the sky. However, since I think her demonstration to Father Mauricio is likely being done in the area below [[Gutierrez and Sons]], then the wind might be explained by her falling from garage level to the basement instead of taking the ladder down... Looking at the image, not knowing the context, to me it looks like the ends of her hair are being raised as if she's electrified... but that wouldn't explain her t-shirt, which is why I thought and still think wind makes for a better explanation. I think a fall could have produced enough wind to cause her t-shirt to be raised as it was illustrated. I'm not sure such a fall would cause her hair to be shown as elevated as it is but I think it's worth noting and have noted this possibility in Fiona's section in the flight article. Thanks, Sekobro.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:01, 13 December 2015 (EST)

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	Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point be a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)		Regarding Fiona, the image from ''[[Graphic Novel:Vengeance, Part 3]]'' of her hovering shows her with her hair extended up vertically, as if the ends of each thread of her hair were being lifted. Also, the bottom of her t-shirt is lifted past her navel on one side... I think these things point to a localized wind effect but they could have other causes, I guess. I'm noting this here as I think it's related to the above hovering discussion and cause flight was something Alice Shaw could do through weather control, and if Fiona starts starts sending gusts of wind at people there might at some point be a need to rethink whether her ability is primarily flight or whether her flight is just a feat (like Ted performing an EM burst) of a different ability, such as wind manipulation.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2015 (EST)
	*It could be that she was descending from the sky, so her hair and shirt was just trying to keep up with momentum for a second.--[[User:Sekobro\|Sekobro]] ([[User talk:Sekobro\|talk]]) 19:42, 12 December 2015 (EST)		*It could be that she was descending from the sky, so her hair and shirt was just trying to keep up with momentum for a second.--[[User:Sekobro\|Sekobro]] ([[User talk:Sekobro\|talk]]) 19:42, 12 December 2015 (EST)
			** Based on the upside down evo hanging from the ceiling, I'm not sure it's plausible that she descended from the sky. However, since her demonstration to Father Mauricio is likely being done in the area below [[Gutierrez and Sons]], then the wind might be explained by her falling from garage level to the basement instead of taking the ladder down... Looking at the image, not knowing the context, it's as if the ends of her hair are being raised as if she's electrified... but that wouldn't explain her t-shirt, which is why I thought and still think wind makes for a better explanation. Fall that produces wind could have caused her t-shirt to be raised as it was illustrated. I'm not sure it would cause her hair to be shown as it is but I think it's worth noting. Thanks, Sekobro.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:23, 12 December 2015 (EST)