Talk:Four-armed carny - Revision history

imported>PJDEP: /* Ability */

2010-02-26T03:25:33Z

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imported>PJDEP: /* Ability */

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	What exactly qualifies as an "ability"? This man must have a mutation if he's grown four arms instead of two, why is this mutation any different then water-breathing or RCR? I'm not necessarily saying that he should be listed with an ability, but I'm curious as to where we draw the line.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:42, 25 February 2010 (EST)		What exactly qualifies as an "ability"? This man must have a mutation if he's grown four arms instead of two, why is this mutation any different then water-breathing or RCR? I'm not necessarily saying that he should be listed with an ability, but I'm curious as to where we draw the line.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:42, 25 February 2010 (EST)
	* We have to remember that there are plenty of people in real-life carnivals who have mutations and strange oddities. I've never heard of a real person with four arms...but I can absolutely buy that a person with four arms would be drawn to work at a carnival. I'm not sure if it's an ability or a mutation, and I'm not sure where to draw the line...but I definitely don't think this guy should fall on the evolved human side of that line...at least, not with the information we have presently. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:59, 25 February 2010 (EST)		* We have to remember that there are plenty of people in real-life carnivals who have mutations and strange oddities. I've never heard of a real person with four arms...but I can absolutely buy that a person with four arms would be drawn to work at a carnival. I'm not sure if it's an ability or a mutation, and I'm not sure where to draw the line...but I definitely don't think this guy should fall on the evolved human side of that line...at least, not with the information we have presently. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:59, 25 February 2010 (EST)
			**Maybe we can do with him what we do with people who've appeared in an iStory but didn't mention their power; write a name down in the character box but don't create an article for it.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 22:25, 25 February 2010 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Ability */

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	What exactly qualifies as an "ability"? This man must have a mutation if he's grown four arms instead of two, why is this mutation any different then water-breathing or RCR? I'm not necessarily saying that he should be listed with an ability, but I'm curious as to where we draw the line.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:42, 25 February 2010 (EST)		What exactly qualifies as an "ability"? This man must have a mutation if he's grown four arms instead of two, why is this mutation any different then water-breathing or RCR? I'm not necessarily saying that he should be listed with an ability, but I'm curious as to where we draw the line.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:42, 25 February 2010 (EST)
			* We have to remember that there are plenty of people in real-life carnivals who have mutations and strange oddities. I've never heard of a real person with four arms...but I can absolutely buy that a person with four arms would be drawn to work at a carnival. I'm not sure if it's an ability or a mutation, and I'm not sure where to draw the line...but I definitely don't think this guy should fall on the evolved human side of that line...at least, not with the information we have presently. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:59, 25 February 2010 (EST)

imported>PJDEP at 02:42, 26 February 2010

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	I also can't help but notice they also made a blatant reference to Dr. Josef Mengele in 1961. The entire concept of putting the disabled to death in Nazi Germany originated with a child with a number of severe physical and mental handicaps (missing limbs, retardation, etc...) being put out of its misery out of "compassion" because of the horrible life it would have probably had (the parents brought it to the government). The disabled were one of the most persecuted groups in the holocaust. The Coyote Sands/carnival connection is stunning. [[User:NileQT87\|NileQT87]] 00:55, 8 November 2009 (EST)		I also can't help but notice they also made a blatant reference to Dr. Josef Mengele in 1961. The entire concept of putting the disabled to death in Nazi Germany originated with a child with a number of severe physical and mental handicaps (missing limbs, retardation, etc...) being put out of its misery out of "compassion" because of the horrible life it would have probably had (the parents brought it to the government). The disabled were one of the most persecuted groups in the holocaust. The Coyote Sands/carnival connection is stunning. [[User:NileQT87\|NileQT87]] 00:55, 8 November 2009 (EST)

			== Ability ==

			What exactly qualifies as an "ability"? This man must have a mutation if he's grown four arms instead of two, why is this mutation any different then water-breathing or RCR? I'm not necessarily saying that he should be listed with an ability, but I'm curious as to where we draw the line.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 21:42, 25 February 2010 (EST)

imported>Intuitive Empath: /* No ability?! */

2009-11-08T20:50:41Z

No ability?!

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	***** It's a possibility, but from what it was shown, he simply has four arms. Until, or if, they show the arms growing, it would be speculative to list it like that. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 13:00, 5 November 2009 (EST)		***** It's a possibility, but from what it was shown, he simply has four arms. Until, or if, they show the arms growing, it would be speculative to list it like that. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 13:00, 5 November 2009 (EST)
	****** Right. Until something is confirmed, he should be listed as a human. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:11, 8 November 2009 (EST)		****** Right. Until something is confirmed, he should be listed as a human. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:11, 8 November 2009 (EST)
			******* I was actually saying that having four arms is his ability, I was just against saying that the ability involves the arms getting in and out of his back like Caleb's spider legs. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 15:50, 8 November 2009 (EST)

	Another (and likely) possibility is that the 4-armed man and the sword swallower are both nostalgic acts of yore when it comes to sideshows (read: "freaks" and "freak shows"). They may just be choosing to show them there as an homage. I also can't help but notice that it's the shot where Amanda sees a bunch of old-timey "oddity" posters.		Another (and likely) possibility is that the 4-armed man and the sword swallower are both nostalgic acts of yore when it comes to sideshows (read: "freaks" and "freak shows"). They may just be choosing to show them there as an homage. I also can't help but notice that it's the shot where Amanda sees a bunch of old-timey "oddity" posters.

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* No ability?! */

2009-11-08T19:11:38Z

No ability?!

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	**** I think its like caleb.--[[User:Yoshi n1\|Yoshi n1]] 12:41, 5 November 2009 (EST)		**** I think its like caleb.--[[User:Yoshi n1\|Yoshi n1]] 12:41, 5 November 2009 (EST)
	***** It's a possibility, but from what it was shown, he simply has four arms. Until, or if, they show the arms growing, it would be speculative to list it like that. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 13:00, 5 November 2009 (EST)		***** It's a possibility, but from what it was shown, he simply has four arms. Until, or if, they show the arms growing, it would be speculative to list it like that. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 13:00, 5 November 2009 (EST)
			****** Right. Until something is confirmed, he should be listed as a human. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:11, 8 November 2009 (EST)

	Another (and likely) possibility is that the 4-armed man and the sword swallower are both nostalgic acts of yore when it comes to sideshows (read: "freaks" and "freak shows"). They may just be choosing to show them there as an homage. I also can't help but notice that it's the shot where Amanda sees a bunch of old-timey "oddity" posters.		Another (and likely) possibility is that the 4-armed man and the sword swallower are both nostalgic acts of yore when it comes to sideshows (read: "freaks" and "freak shows"). They may just be choosing to show them there as an homage. I also can't help but notice that it's the shot where Amanda sees a bunch of old-timey "oddity" posters.

imported>NileQT87: /* No ability?! */

2009-11-08T06:09:12Z

No ability?!

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	Historically, sideshows were places where a band of misfits (yes, "freaks") would gather as a family and take care of each other away from people who would persecute, mock and scream in terror at them. They could get paid to get gawked at instead of being locked away from society in institutions, put in concentration camps, persecuted and/or shunned.		Historically, sideshows were places where a band of misfits (yes, "freaks") would gather as a family and take care of each other away from people who would persecute, mock and scream in terror at them. They could get paid to get gawked at instead of being locked away from society in institutions, put in concentration camps, persecuted and/or shunned.

	I also can't help but notice they also made a blatant reference to Dr. Josef Mengele in 1961. The entire concept of ~~concentration~~ ~~camps~~ originated with a child with a number of severe physical and mental handicaps (missing limbs, retardation, etc...) being put out of its misery out of "compassion" because of the horrible life it would have probably had. The disabled were one of the most persecuted groups in the holocaust. The Coyote Sands/carnival connection is stunning. [[User:NileQT87\|NileQT87]] 00:55, 8 November 2009 (EST)		I also can't help but notice they also made a blatant reference to Dr. Josef Mengele in 1961. The entire concept of putting the disabled to death in Nazi Germany originated with a child with a number of severe physical and mental handicaps (missing limbs, retardation, etc...) being put out of its misery out of "compassion" because of the horrible life it would have probably had (the parents brought it to the government). The disabled were one of the most persecuted groups in the holocaust. The Coyote Sands/carnival connection is stunning. [[User:NileQT87\|NileQT87]] 00:55, 8 November 2009 (EST)

imported>NileQT87: /* No ability?! */

2009-11-08T06:07:21Z

No ability?!

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	People with too many or not enough limbs were a staple of the less-politically-correct sideshow acts (which pretty much became defunct in about the 1940s). I also can't help but wonder if it was the "one of us, one of them" line, combined with the occasional evolved human referring to themselves as a "freak" (Claire comes to mind) that got the writers the idea for a sideshow full of evolved humans. The fact that the evolved humans call themselves "one of us" might be a nod to the famous chant in Tod Browning's 1932 film, ''Freaks'' ("We accept her... One of us... Gooble, Gobble."). Of course, ''Carnivàle'' has also been brought up (though, ''Freaks'' is the granddaddy of dramatized carnivals).		People with too many or not enough limbs were a staple of the less-politically-correct sideshow acts (which pretty much became defunct in about the 1940s). I also can't help but wonder if it was the "one of us, one of them" line, combined with the occasional evolved human referring to themselves as a "freak" (Claire comes to mind) that got the writers the idea for a sideshow full of evolved humans. The fact that the evolved humans call themselves "one of us" might be a nod to the famous chant in Tod Browning's 1932 film, ''Freaks'' ("We accept her... One of us... Gooble, Gobble."). Of course, ''Carnivàle'' has also been brought up (though, ''Freaks'' is the granddaddy of dramatized carnivals).

	It would be awesome if someone could ask the writers if the carnival setting was at all inspired by the "one of us, one of them" line. ~~[[User:NileQT87\|NileQT87]] 00:55, 8 November 2009 (EST)~~		It would be awesome if someone could ask the writers if the carnival setting was at all inspired by the "one of us, one of them" line.

			Historically, sideshows were places where a band of misfits (yes, "freaks") would gather as a family and take care of each other away from people who would persecute, mock and scream in terror at them. They could get paid to get gawked at instead of being locked away from society in institutions, put in concentration camps, persecuted and/or shunned.

			I also can't help but notice they also made a blatant reference to Dr. Josef Mengele in 1961. The entire concept of concentration camps originated with a child with a number of severe physical and mental handicaps (missing limbs, retardation, etc...) being put out of its misery out of "compassion" because of the horrible life it would have probably had. The disabled were one of the most persecuted groups in the holocaust. The Coyote Sands/carnival connection is stunning. [[User:NileQT87\|NileQT87]] 00:55, 8 November 2009 (EST)

imported>NileQT87: /* No ability?! */

2009-11-08T05:57:44Z

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	It might be a shout-out to sideshow origins, but perhaps with the man with extra limbs having some kind of more-than-normal strength or usage than a normal too-many-limbs person would have (usually the extra set is due to a parasitic twin and the limbs are often weaker and mostly useless). One thing to note here is that all four arms appear to be useful and he looks like he might be a strongman.		It might be a shout-out to sideshow origins, but perhaps with the man with extra limbs having some kind of more-than-normal strength or usage than a normal too-many-limbs person would have (usually the extra set is due to a parasitic twin and the limbs are often weaker and mostly useless). One thing to note here is that all four arms appear to be useful and he looks like he might be a strongman.

	People with too many or not enough limbs were a staple of the less politically correct sideshow acts (which pretty much became defunct in about the 1940s). I also can't help but wonder if it was the "one of us, one of them" line, combined with the occasional evolved human referring to themselves as a "freak" (Claire comes to mind) that got the writers the idea for a sideshow full of evolved humans. The fact that the evolved humans call themselves "one of us" might be a nod to the famous chant in Tod Browning's 1932 film, ''Freaks'' ("We accept her... One of us... Gooble, Gobble."). Of course, ''Carnivàle'' has also been brought up (though, ''Freaks'' is the granddaddy of dramatized carnivals). ~~[[User:NileQT87\|NileQT87]] 00:55, 8 November 2009 (EST)~~		People with too many or not enough limbs were a staple of the less-politically-correct sideshow acts (which pretty much became defunct in about the 1940s). I also can't help but wonder if it was the "one of us, one of them" line, combined with the occasional evolved human referring to themselves as a "freak" (Claire comes to mind) that got the writers the idea for a sideshow full of evolved humans. The fact that the evolved humans call themselves "one of us" might be a nod to the famous chant in Tod Browning's 1932 film, ''Freaks'' ("We accept her... One of us... Gooble, Gobble."). Of course, ''Carnivàle'' has also been brought up (though, ''Freaks'' is the granddaddy of dramatized carnivals).

			It would be awesome if someone could ask the writers if the carnival setting was at all inspired by the "one of us, one of them" line. [[User:NileQT87\|NileQT87]] 00:55, 8 November 2009 (EST)

imported>NileQT87 at 05:55, 8 November 2009

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	**** I think its like caleb.--[[User:Yoshi n1\|Yoshi n1]] 12:41, 5 November 2009 (EST)		**** I think its like caleb.--[[User:Yoshi n1\|Yoshi n1]] 12:41, 5 November 2009 (EST)
	***** It's a possibility, but from what it was shown, he simply has four arms. Until, or if, they show the arms growing, it would be speculative to list it like that. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 13:00, 5 November 2009 (EST)		***** It's a possibility, but from what it was shown, he simply has four arms. Until, or if, they show the arms growing, it would be speculative to list it like that. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 13:00, 5 November 2009 (EST)
			Another (and likely) possibility is that the 4-armed man and the sword swallower are both nostalgic acts of yore when it comes to sideshows (read: "freaks" and "freak shows"). They may just be choosing to show them there as an homage. I also can't help but notice that it's the shot where Amanda sees a bunch of old-timey "oddity" posters.

			It might be a shout-out to sideshow origins, but perhaps with the man with extra limbs having some kind of more-than-normal strength or usage than a normal too-many-limbs person would have (usually the extra set is due to a parasitic twin and the limbs are often weaker and mostly useless). One thing to note here is that all four arms appear to be useful and he looks like he might be a strongman.

			People with too many or not enough limbs were a staple of the less politically correct sideshow acts (which pretty much became defunct in about the 1940s). I also can't help but wonder if it was the "one of us, one of them" line, combined with the occasional evolved human referring to themselves as a "freak" (Claire comes to mind) that got the writers the idea for a sideshow full of evolved humans. The fact that the evolved humans call themselves "one of us" might be a nod to the famous chant in Tod Browning's 1932 film, ''Freaks'' ("We accept her... One of us... Gooble, Gobble."). Of course, ''Carnivàle'' has also been brought up (though, ''Freaks'' is the granddaddy of dramatized carnivals). [[User:NileQT87\|NileQT87]] 00:55, 8 November 2009 (EST)