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imported>ERROR at 00:55, 28 May 2009

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	:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (Ironic, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)		:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (Ironic, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)
	::::::* I vote we create a page dedicated to ability mimicry and/or theft in any way shape or form. [[User:EmpathicMimic0\|EmpathicMimic0]]		::::::* I vote we create a page dedicated to ability mimicry and/or theft in any way shape or form. [[User:EmpathicMimic0\|EmpathicMimic0]]
	How could Sylar "unknowingly learn" Peter's ability? That's contradictory. You don't learn something without knowing you're doing it. I say, keep the articles separate. Peter [[Empathic mimicry\|empathically mimics]] (Or at least did empathically mimic) the abilities of those around him, whereas Sylar [[Intuitive aptitude\|understands how things work]]. And if he sees how an ability works, then he knows how to use it, how to control it, and what can and can't be done with it. He can also understand a person's emotions and emotional problems, and how to fix those problems. If he does that, he manifests the person's ability (Though he ~~probably~~ ~~has~~ to be exposed to the ability a ~~buncha~~ ~~times~~, kinda like a Blue Mage from Final Fantasy.). It's not empathy. He's just fixing emotional problems, and manifesting abilities at the same time.--[[User:ERROR\|ERROR]] 20:53, 27 May 2009 (EDT)		How could Sylar "unknowingly learn" Peter's ability? That's contradictory. You don't learn something without knowing you're doing it. I say, keep the articles separate. Peter [[Empathic mimicry\|empathically mimics]] (Or at least did empathically mimic) the abilities of those around him, whereas Sylar [[Intuitive aptitude\|understands how things work]]. And if he sees how an ability works, then he knows how to use it, how to control it, and what can and can't be done with it. He can also understand a person's emotions and emotional problems, and how to fix those problems. If he does that, he manifests the person's ability (Though he seems to have to be exposed to the ability a whole lot, kinda like a Blue Mage from Final Fantasy.). It's not empathy. He's just fixing emotional problems, and manifesting abilities at the same time.--[[User:ERROR\|ERROR]] 20:53, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

imported>ERROR: /* A proposition */

2009-05-28T00:53:33Z

A proposition

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	:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)		:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)
	::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)		::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)
	:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (~~ironic~~, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)		:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (Ironic, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)
	::::::* I vote we create a page dedicated to ability mimicry ~~snd~~/or ~~theift~~ in any way shape or form. [[User:EmpathicMimic0\|EmpathicMimic0]]		::::::* I vote we create a page dedicated to ability mimicry and/or theft in any way shape or form. [[User:EmpathicMimic0\|EmpathicMimic0]]
			How could Sylar "unknowingly learn" Peter's ability? That's contradictory. You don't learn something without knowing you're doing it. I say, keep the articles separate. Peter [[Empathic mimicry\|empathically mimics]] (Or at least did empathically mimic) the abilities of those around him, whereas Sylar [[Intuitive aptitude\|understands how things work]]. And if he sees how an ability works, then he knows how to use it, how to control it, and what can and can't be done with it. He can also understand a person's emotions and emotional problems, and how to fix those problems. If he does that, he manifests the person's ability (Though he probably has to be exposed to the ability a buncha times, kinda like a Blue Mage from Final Fantasy.). It's not empathy. He's just fixing emotional problems, and manifesting abilities at the same time.--[[User:ERROR\|ERROR]] 20:53, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

imported>EmpathicMimic0: /* A proposition */

2009-01-26T18:16:29Z

A proposition

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	::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)		::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)
	:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (ironic, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)		:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (ironic, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)
			::::::* I vote we create a page dedicated to ability mimicry snd/or theift in any way shape or form. [[User:EmpathicMimic0\|EmpathicMimic0]]

imported>Ricard Desi at 17:06, 3 December 2008

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	:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)		:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)
	::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)		::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)
			:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (ironic, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)

imported>Arnor at 13:15, 3 December 2008

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	:::* I agree with Ryan's reasons to oppose the merge. I can see adding a page about ability mimicry, but as only as a redirect to the current disambig page we have on mimicry. I've at least three additional reasons to oppose merging the abilities.<br />1) In the CBR, the writers confirmed that what Sylar did to learn lightning via empathy was the same as Peter's ability, but that doesn't mean Sylar's ability is Peter's ability. It could just mean that Sylar unknowingly learned Peter's power.<br />2) Just cause Sylar was able to use what amounts to Peter's ability without learning it from him, that doesn't mean that Peter could learn Sylar's ability without absorbing it first from Sylar.<br />3) The abilities do something different. The primary aspect of Sylar's ability is instinctively being able to understand how things work upon seeing them, not just for abilities. Copying abilities is not the primary aspect. And for Peter, his ability's primary aspect is copying abilities, and he doesn't instinctively understand things like Sylar does.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)		:::* I agree with Ryan's reasons to oppose the merge. I can see adding a page about ability mimicry, but as only as a redirect to the current disambig page we have on mimicry. I've at least three additional reasons to oppose merging the abilities.<br />1) In the CBR, the writers confirmed that what Sylar did to learn lightning via empathy was the same as Peter's ability, but that doesn't mean Sylar's ability is Peter's ability. It could just mean that Sylar unknowingly learned Peter's power.<br />2) Just cause Sylar was able to use what amounts to Peter's ability without learning it from him, that doesn't mean that Peter could learn Sylar's ability without absorbing it first from Sylar.<br />3) The abilities do something different. The primary aspect of Sylar's ability is instinctively being able to understand how things work upon seeing them, not just for abilities. Copying abilities is not the primary aspect. And for Peter, his ability's primary aspect is copying abilities, and he doesn't instinctively understand things like Sylar does.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)
	:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)		:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)
			::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)

imported>Powermimic: /* A proposition */

2008-11-26T07:39:00Z

A proposition

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	::* I'm not sure. I don't feel comfortable going against explicitly named powers. What Sylar and Peter can do can both be classified as "mimicry", but is that oversimplification? That same name could also include Arthur's ability, or Monica's ability, or even Julien's. Likewise, Elle's ability and the [[teenage patient]]'s abilities could both be classified under electricity. That doesn't mean they're the same abilities or that they should be on the same page. "Mimicry" is good for a disambig page. Ultimately, if the Company called Peter's ability "empathic mimicry" (even if it's spelled wrong) and Sylar's ability "intuitive aptitude", then I think we should do the same thing. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:53, 25 November 2008 (EST)		::* I'm not sure. I don't feel comfortable going against explicitly named powers. What Sylar and Peter can do can both be classified as "mimicry", but is that oversimplification? That same name could also include Arthur's ability, or Monica's ability, or even Julien's. Likewise, Elle's ability and the [[teenage patient]]'s abilities could both be classified under electricity. That doesn't mean they're the same abilities or that they should be on the same page. "Mimicry" is good for a disambig page. Ultimately, if the Company called Peter's ability "empathic mimicry" (even if it's spelled wrong) and Sylar's ability "intuitive aptitude", then I think we should do the same thing. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:53, 25 November 2008 (EST)
	:::* I agree with Ryan's reasons to oppose the merge. I can see adding a page about ability mimicry, but as only as a redirect to the current disambig page we have on mimicry. I've at least three additional reasons to oppose merging the abilities.<br />1) In the CBR, the writers confirmed that what Sylar did to learn lightning via empathy was the same as Peter's ability, but that doesn't mean Sylar's ability is Peter's ability. It could just mean that Sylar unknowingly learned Peter's power.<br />2) Just cause Sylar was able to use what amounts to Peter's ability without learning it from him, that doesn't mean that Peter could learn Sylar's ability without absorbing it first from Sylar.<br />3) The abilities do something different. The primary aspect of Sylar's ability is instinctively being able to understand how things work upon seeing them, not just for abilities. Copying abilities is not the primary aspect. And for Peter, his ability's primary aspect is copying abilities, and he doesn't instinctively understand things like Sylar does.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)		:::* I agree with Ryan's reasons to oppose the merge. I can see adding a page about ability mimicry, but as only as a redirect to the current disambig page we have on mimicry. I've at least three additional reasons to oppose merging the abilities.<br />1) In the CBR, the writers confirmed that what Sylar did to learn lightning via empathy was the same as Peter's ability, but that doesn't mean Sylar's ability is Peter's ability. It could just mean that Sylar unknowingly learned Peter's power.<br />2) Just cause Sylar was able to use what amounts to Peter's ability without learning it from him, that doesn't mean that Peter could learn Sylar's ability without absorbing it first from Sylar.<br />3) The abilities do something different. The primary aspect of Sylar's ability is instinctively being able to understand how things work upon seeing them, not just for abilities. Copying abilities is not the primary aspect. And for Peter, his ability's primary aspect is copying abilities, and he doesn't instinctively understand things like Sylar does.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)
			:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)

imported>Stevehim: /* A proposition */

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A proposition

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	** It's an interesting idea, especially considering that we list Niki and Knox as having the same power (which I still disagree with ;) ), but I would vote we wait for more information before merging major pages like that, especially since it would require a site-wide overhaul. Right now, all we have is the [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18931 BTE interview] ''somewhat''+ confirming they have the same ability, but it may be that they each have both abilities, not that the abilities are the same. And if we end up doing that, it would seem there'd be no reason not to merge [[precognition]] and [[precognitive dreaming]], something for which no consensus could be reached. I also think that intuitive aptitude may be more than just a way to access mimicry, as Gabriel/Sylar has used it for other purposes (ie - to understand how things other than the human brain/powers work)		** It's an interesting idea, especially considering that we list Niki and Knox as having the same power (which I still disagree with ;) ), but I would vote we wait for more information before merging major pages like that, especially since it would require a site-wide overhaul. Right now, all we have is the [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18931 BTE interview] ''somewhat''+ confirming they have the same ability, but it may be that they each have both abilities, not that the abilities are the same. And if we end up doing that, it would seem there'd be no reason not to merge [[precognition]] and [[precognitive dreaming]], something for which no consensus could be reached. I also think that intuitive aptitude may be more than just a way to access mimicry, as Gabriel/Sylar has used it for other purposes (ie - to understand how things other than the human brain/powers work)

	::+ I say ''somewhat'' because, although 'It's not' (in reference to Sylar using his ability to ‘understand how things work’ through empathy being different than Peter's ability), ~~the~~ answer really isn't that informative of what's going on. It's possible they meant that, while Sylar using his intuitive aptitude to access the empathic mimicry power is the same thing Peter does, it's still a different ability (eg - using IA to access EM is only one facet of that power). --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 23:52, 25 November 2008 (EST)		::+ I say ''somewhat'' because, although 'It's not' (in reference to Sylar using his ability to ‘understand how things work’ through empathy being different than Peter's ability) is a direct answer, it really isn't that informative of what's going on. It's possible they meant that, while Sylar using his intuitive aptitude to access the empathic mimicry power is the same thing Peter does, it's still a different ability (eg - using IA to access EM is only one facet of that power). --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 23:52, 25 November 2008 (EST)
	::* I'm not sure. I don't feel comfortable going against explicitly named powers. What Sylar and Peter can do can both be classified as "mimicry", but is that oversimplification? That same name could also include Arthur's ability, or Monica's ability, or even Julien's. Likewise, Elle's ability and the [[teenage patient]]'s abilities could both be classified under electricity. That doesn't mean they're the same abilities or that they should be on the same page. "Mimicry" is good for a disambig page. Ultimately, if the Company called Peter's ability "empathic mimicry" (even if it's spelled wrong) and Sylar's ability "intuitive aptitude", then I think we should do the same thing. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:53, 25 November 2008 (EST)		::* I'm not sure. I don't feel comfortable going against explicitly named powers. What Sylar and Peter can do can both be classified as "mimicry", but is that oversimplification? That same name could also include Arthur's ability, or Monica's ability, or even Julien's. Likewise, Elle's ability and the [[teenage patient]]'s abilities could both be classified under electricity. That doesn't mean they're the same abilities or that they should be on the same page. "Mimicry" is good for a disambig page. Ultimately, if the Company called Peter's ability "empathic mimicry" (even if it's spelled wrong) and Sylar's ability "intuitive aptitude", then I think we should do the same thing. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:53, 25 November 2008 (EST)
	:::* I agree with Ryan's reasons to oppose the merge. I can see adding a page about ability mimicry, but as only as a redirect to the current disambig page we have on mimicry. I've at least three additional reasons to oppose merging the abilities.<br />1) In the CBR, the writers confirmed that what Sylar did to learn lightning via empathy was the same as Peter's ability, but that doesn't mean Sylar's ability is Peter's ability. It could just mean that Sylar unknowingly learned Peter's power.<br />2) Just cause Sylar was able to use what amounts to Peter's ability without learning it from him, that doesn't mean that Peter could learn Sylar's ability without absorbing it first from Sylar.<br />3) The abilities do something different. The primary aspect of Sylar's ability is instinctively being able to understand how things work upon seeing them, not just for abilities. Copying abilities is not the primary aspect. And for Peter, his ability's primary aspect is copying abilities, and he doesn't instinctively understand things like Sylar does.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)		:::* I agree with Ryan's reasons to oppose the merge. I can see adding a page about ability mimicry, but as only as a redirect to the current disambig page we have on mimicry. I've at least three additional reasons to oppose merging the abilities.<br />1) In the CBR, the writers confirmed that what Sylar did to learn lightning via empathy was the same as Peter's ability, but that doesn't mean Sylar's ability is Peter's ability. It could just mean that Sylar unknowingly learned Peter's power.<br />2) Just cause Sylar was able to use what amounts to Peter's ability without learning it from him, that doesn't mean that Peter could learn Sylar's ability without absorbing it first from Sylar.<br />3) The abilities do something different. The primary aspect of Sylar's ability is instinctively being able to understand how things work upon seeing them, not just for abilities. Copying abilities is not the primary aspect. And for Peter, his ability's primary aspect is copying abilities, and he doesn't instinctively understand things like Sylar does.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: /* A proposition */ add some more reasons

2008-11-26T05:22:17Z

A proposition: add some more reasons

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	::+ I say ''somewhat'' because, although 'It's not' (in reference to Sylar using his ability to ‘understand how things work’ through empathy being different than Peter's ability), the answer really isn't that informative of what's going on. It's possible they meant that, while Sylar using his intuitive aptitude to access the empathic mimicry power is the same thing Peter does, it's still a different ability (eg - using IA to access EM is only one facet of that power). --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 23:52, 25 November 2008 (EST)		::+ I say ''somewhat'' because, although 'It's not' (in reference to Sylar using his ability to ‘understand how things work’ through empathy being different than Peter's ability), the answer really isn't that informative of what's going on. It's possible they meant that, while Sylar using his intuitive aptitude to access the empathic mimicry power is the same thing Peter does, it's still a different ability (eg - using IA to access EM is only one facet of that power). --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 23:52, 25 November 2008 (EST)
	::* I'm not sure. I don't feel comfortable going against explicitly named powers. What Sylar and Peter can do can both be classified as "mimicry", but is that oversimplification? That same name could also include Arthur's ability, or Monica's ability, or even Julien's. Likewise, Elle's ability and the [[teenage patient]]'s abilities could both be classified under electricity. That doesn't mean they're the same abilities or that they should be on the same page. "Mimicry" is good for a disambig page. Ultimately, if the Company called Peter's ability "empathic mimicry" (even if it's spelled wrong) and Sylar's ability "intuitive aptitude", then I think we should do the same thing. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:53, 25 November 2008 (EST)		::* I'm not sure. I don't feel comfortable going against explicitly named powers. What Sylar and Peter can do can both be classified as "mimicry", but is that oversimplification? That same name could also include Arthur's ability, or Monica's ability, or even Julien's. Likewise, Elle's ability and the [[teenage patient]]'s abilities could both be classified under electricity. That doesn't mean they're the same abilities or that they should be on the same page. "Mimicry" is good for a disambig page. Ultimately, if the Company called Peter's ability "empathic mimicry" (even if it's spelled wrong) and Sylar's ability "intuitive aptitude", then I think we should do the same thing. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:53, 25 November 2008 (EST)
			:::* I agree with Ryan's reasons to oppose the merge. I can see adding a page about ability mimicry, but as only as a redirect to the current disambig page we have on mimicry. I've at least three additional reasons to oppose merging the abilities.<br />1) In the CBR, the writers confirmed that what Sylar did to learn lightning via empathy was the same as Peter's ability, but that doesn't mean Sylar's ability is Peter's ability. It could just mean that Sylar unknowingly learned Peter's power.<br />2) Just cause Sylar was able to use what amounts to Peter's ability without learning it from him, that doesn't mean that Peter could learn Sylar's ability without absorbing it first from Sylar.<br />3) The abilities do something different. The primary aspect of Sylar's ability is instinctively being able to understand how things work upon seeing them, not just for abilities. Copying abilities is not the primary aspect. And for Peter, his ability's primary aspect is copying abilities, and he doesn't instinctively understand things like Sylar does.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)

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A proposition: sp

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	::+ I say ''somewhat'' because, although 'It's not' (in reference to Sylar using his ability to ‘understand how things work’ through empathy being different than Peter's ability), the answer really isn't that informative of what's going on. It's possible they meant that, while Sylar using his intuitive aptitude to access the empathic mimicry power is the same thing Peter does, it's still a different ability (eg - using IA to access EM is only one facet of that power). --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 23:52, 25 November 2008 (EST)		::+ I say ''somewhat'' because, although 'It's not' (in reference to Sylar using his ability to ‘understand how things work’ through empathy being different than Peter's ability), the answer really isn't that informative of what's going on. It's possible they meant that, while Sylar using his intuitive aptitude to access the empathic mimicry power is the same thing Peter does, it's still a different ability (eg - using IA to access EM is only one facet of that power). --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 23:52, 25 November 2008 (EST)
	::* I'm not sure. I don't feel comfortable going against explicitly named powers. What Sylar and Peter can do can both be classified as "mimicry", but is that oversimplification? That same name could also include Arthur's ability, or Monica's ability, or even Julien's. Likewise, Elle's ability and the [[teenage patient]]'s abilities could both be classified under electricity. That doesn't ~~meant~~ they're the same abilities or that they should be on the same page. "Mimicry" is good for a disambig page. Ultimately, if the Company called Peter's ability "empathic mimicry" (even if it's spelled wrong) and Sylar's ability "intuitive aptitude", then I think we should do the same thing. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:53, 25 November 2008 (EST)		::* I'm not sure. I don't feel comfortable going against explicitly named powers. What Sylar and Peter can do can both be classified as "mimicry", but is that oversimplification? That same name could also include Arthur's ability, or Monica's ability, or even Julien's. Likewise, Elle's ability and the [[teenage patient]]'s abilities could both be classified under electricity. That doesn't mean they're the same abilities or that they should be on the same page. "Mimicry" is good for a disambig page. Ultimately, if the Company called Peter's ability "empathic mimicry" (even if it's spelled wrong) and Sylar's ability "intuitive aptitude", then I think we should do the same thing. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:53, 25 November 2008 (EST)

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	:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (Ironic, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)		:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (Ironic, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)
	::::::* I vote we create a page dedicated to ability mimicry and/or theft in any way shape or form. [[User:EmpathicMimic0\|EmpathicMimic0]]		::::::* I vote we create a page dedicated to ability mimicry and/or theft in any way shape or form. [[User:EmpathicMimic0\|EmpathicMimic0]]
	How could Sylar "unknowingly learn" Peter's ability? That's contradictory. You don't learn something without knowing you're doing it. I say, keep the articles separate. Peter [[Empathic mimicry\|empathically mimics]] (Or at least did empathically mimic) the abilities of those around him, whereas Sylar [[Intuitive aptitude\|understands how things work]]. And if he sees how an ability works, then he knows how to use it, how to control it, and what can and can't be done with it. He can also understand a person's emotions and emotional problems, and how to fix those problems. If he does that, he manifests the person's ability (Though he ~~probably~~ ~~has~~ to be exposed to the ability a ~~buncha~~ ~~times~~, kinda like a Blue Mage from Final Fantasy.). It's not empathy. He's just fixing emotional problems, and manifesting abilities at the same time.--[[User:ERROR\|ERROR]] 20:53, 27 May 2009 (EDT)		How could Sylar "unknowingly learn" Peter's ability? That's contradictory. You don't learn something without knowing you're doing it. I say, keep the articles separate. Peter [[Empathic mimicry\|empathically mimics]] (Or at least did empathically mimic) the abilities of those around him, whereas Sylar [[Intuitive aptitude\|understands how things work]]. And if he sees how an ability works, then he knows how to use it, how to control it, and what can and can't be done with it. He can also understand a person's emotions and emotional problems, and how to fix those problems. If he does that, he manifests the person's ability (Though he seems to have to be exposed to the ability a whole lot, kinda like a Blue Mage from Final Fantasy.). It's not empathy. He's just fixing emotional problems, and manifesting abilities at the same time.--[[User:ERROR\|ERROR]] 20:53, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

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	:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)		:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)
	::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)		::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)
	:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (~~ironic~~, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)		:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (Ironic, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)
	::::::* I vote we create a page dedicated to ability mimicry ~~snd~~/or ~~theift~~ in any way shape or form. [[User:EmpathicMimic0\|EmpathicMimic0]]		::::::* I vote we create a page dedicated to ability mimicry and/or theft in any way shape or form. [[User:EmpathicMimic0\|EmpathicMimic0]]
			How could Sylar "unknowingly learn" Peter's ability? That's contradictory. You don't learn something without knowing you're doing it. I say, keep the articles separate. Peter [[Empathic mimicry\|empathically mimics]] (Or at least did empathically mimic) the abilities of those around him, whereas Sylar [[Intuitive aptitude\|understands how things work]]. And if he sees how an ability works, then he knows how to use it, how to control it, and what can and can't be done with it. He can also understand a person's emotions and emotional problems, and how to fix those problems. If he does that, he manifests the person's ability (Though he probably has to be exposed to the ability a buncha times, kinda like a Blue Mage from Final Fantasy.). It's not empathy. He's just fixing emotional problems, and manifesting abilities at the same time.--[[User:ERROR\|ERROR]] 20:53, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

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	::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)		::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)
	:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (ironic, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)		:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (ironic, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)
			::::::* I vote we create a page dedicated to ability mimicry snd/or theift in any way shape or form. [[User:EmpathicMimic0\|EmpathicMimic0]]

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	:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)		:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)
	::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)		::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)
			:::::* I did offer up "ability mimicry" as an alternative, realizing how many mimicries there actually are. The disambig page would still be there. Technically, Peter absorbed IA at Union Wells during Homecoming, he just didn't understand how it worked (ironic, no?) --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:06, 3 December 2008 (EST)

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	:::* I agree with Ryan's reasons to oppose the merge. I can see adding a page about ability mimicry, but as only as a redirect to the current disambig page we have on mimicry. I've at least three additional reasons to oppose merging the abilities.<br />1) In the CBR, the writers confirmed that what Sylar did to learn lightning via empathy was the same as Peter's ability, but that doesn't mean Sylar's ability is Peter's ability. It could just mean that Sylar unknowingly learned Peter's power.<br />2) Just cause Sylar was able to use what amounts to Peter's ability without learning it from him, that doesn't mean that Peter could learn Sylar's ability without absorbing it first from Sylar.<br />3) The abilities do something different. The primary aspect of Sylar's ability is instinctively being able to understand how things work upon seeing them, not just for abilities. Copying abilities is not the primary aspect. And for Peter, his ability's primary aspect is copying abilities, and he doesn't instinctively understand things like Sylar does.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)		:::* I agree with Ryan's reasons to oppose the merge. I can see adding a page about ability mimicry, but as only as a redirect to the current disambig page we have on mimicry. I've at least three additional reasons to oppose merging the abilities.<br />1) In the CBR, the writers confirmed that what Sylar did to learn lightning via empathy was the same as Peter's ability, but that doesn't mean Sylar's ability is Peter's ability. It could just mean that Sylar unknowingly learned Peter's power.<br />2) Just cause Sylar was able to use what amounts to Peter's ability without learning it from him, that doesn't mean that Peter could learn Sylar's ability without absorbing it first from Sylar.<br />3) The abilities do something different. The primary aspect of Sylar's ability is instinctively being able to understand how things work upon seeing them, not just for abilities. Copying abilities is not the primary aspect. And for Peter, his ability's primary aspect is copying abilities, and he doesn't instinctively understand things like Sylar does.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)
	:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)		:::** Yeah I agree with MiamiVolts, they confirmed Sylar can use his ability like Peter's, and that's no different than Pete's, but did not confirm that it's the same ability. Sylar's is still 'understand how thing work' (even through empathy), where Peter's is 'emphatically feeling' others. --[[User:Powermimic\|Powermimic]] 02:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)
			::::* I'm against merging them, mostly because there are at least half a dozen types of mimicry. Leaving it as a disambig page is the way to go, in my opinion. Miami, regarding your first point, I don't see how Sylar could have unknowingly learned Peter's ability. He never looked at Peter's brain, and the only other explanation would be that he mimicked it, which means he had EM all along. Regarding your second, Peter already absorbed Sylar's ability once, when he went to the AF where Sylar has a son named Noah, remember? The way I see it, Peter has EM and Sylar has both EM and IA. However, Sylar has trouble using his EM, because you need to be ''empathic'' towards someone to absorb their ability via ''empathic'' mimicry, as was the case with Elle in the holding cell. [[User:Arnor\|Arnor]] 08:15, 3 December 2008 (EST)