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	*Most of the changes you made were really good (though I'm not sure why the caption kept changing, or what was wrong with it in the first place). The only one I would restore: is "A [[the Haitian\|mysterious man]] renders Matt Parkman unconscious." Seems pretty morally ambiguous to me--in fact, any of the [[Company]]'s [[bag and tag]] missions would be considered "gray", I would imagine.<p>As for categorizing by character: I don't see what's wrong with categorizing by episode--it's how almost the entire rest of the site is organized. Almost every other theme is broken down episodically, too; the one or two that aren't seem really out of place, in my opinion. If, for some reason, the community decides to change the organization of this page, it really should be done for all the themes, for standardization's sake. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		*Most of the changes you made were really good (though I'm not sure why the caption kept changing, or what was wrong with it in the first place). The only one I would restore: is "A [[the Haitian\|mysterious man]] renders Matt Parkman unconscious." Seems pretty morally ambiguous to me--in fact, any of the [[Company]]'s [[bag and tag]] missions would be considered "gray", I would imagine.<p>As for categorizing by character: I don't see what's wrong with categorizing by episode--it's how almost the entire rest of the site is organized. Almost every other theme is broken down episodically, too; the one or two that aren't seem really out of place, in my opinion. If, for some reason, the community decides to change the organization of this page, it really should be done for all the themes, for standardization's sake. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
	**The thing about the Haitian rendering Parkman unconscious is still there; I just made the link refer to him as "the Haitian" and not "a mysterious man."		**The thing about the Haitian rendering Parkman unconscious is still there; I just made the link refer to him as "the Haitian" and not "a mysterious man."
			***Ah, you're right ... good change. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 22:42, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
	**Concerning the caption; I guess I just wanted more context on why HRG was shooting Claude (ie, how he was on orders when he shot Claude, why there were orders to shoot Claude in the first place, ect).		**Concerning the caption; I guess I just wanted more context on why HRG was shooting Claude (ie, how he was on orders when he shot Claude, why there were orders to shoot Claude in the first place, ect).
	**Also, this applies more to the other articles, but I think they would look better if the information was in chronological order (ie, Linderman's Vietnam history would be in the beginning of his article, HRG's background from Company Man would be the beginning of his article, ect ect). I think it would be easier to read, imo.--[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 20:51, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		**Also, this applies more to the other articles, but I think they would look better if the information was in chronological order (ie, Linderman's Vietnam history would be in the beginning of his article, HRG's background from Company Man would be the beginning of his article, ect ect). I think it would be easier to read, imo.--[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 20:51, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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	Also, I think the examples should be categorized differently, like by the different characters as opposed to by the episodes the events occured in. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 15:04, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		Also, I think the examples should be categorized differently, like by the different characters as opposed to by the episodes the events occured in. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 15:04, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
	*Most of the changes you made were really good (though I'm not sure why the caption kept changing, or what was wrong with it in the first place). The only one I would restore: is "A [[the Haitian\|mysterious man]] renders Matt Parkman unconscious." Seems pretty morally ambiguous to me--in fact, any of the [[Company]]'s [[bag and tag]] missions would be considered "gray", I would imagine.<p>As for categorizing by character: I don't see what's wrong with categorizing by episode--it's how almost the entire rest of the site is organized. Almost every other theme is broken down episodically, too; the one or two that aren't seem really out of place, in my opinion. If, for some reason, the community decides to change the organization of this page, it really should be done for all the themes, for standardization's sake. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		*Most of the changes you made were really good (though I'm not sure why the caption kept changing, or what was wrong with it in the first place). The only one I would restore: is "A [[the Haitian\|mysterious man]] renders Matt Parkman unconscious." Seems pretty morally ambiguous to me--in fact, any of the [[Company]]'s [[bag and tag]] missions would be considered "gray", I would imagine.<p>As for categorizing by character: I don't see what's wrong with categorizing by episode--it's how almost the entire rest of the site is organized. Almost every other theme is broken down episodically, too; the one or two that aren't seem really out of place, in my opinion. If, for some reason, the community decides to change the organization of this page, it really should be done for all the themes, for standardization's sake. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
			**The thing about the Haitian rendering Parkman unconscious is still there; I just made the link refer to him as "the Haitian" and not "a mysterious man."
	**Concerning the caption; I guess I just wanted more context on why HRG was shooting Claude (ie, how he was on orders when he shot Claude, why there were orders to shoot Claude in the first place, ect).		**Concerning the caption; I guess I just wanted more context on why HRG was shooting Claude (ie, how he was on orders when he shot Claude, why there were orders to shoot Claude in the first place, ect).
	**Also, this applies more to the other articles, but I think they would look better if the information was in chronological order (ie, Linderman's Vietnam history would be in the beginning of his article, HRG's background from Company Man would be the beginning of his article, ect ect). I think it would be easier to read, imo.--[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 20:51, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		**Also, this applies more to the other articles, but I think they would look better if the information was in chronological order (ie, Linderman's Vietnam history would be in the beginning of his article, HRG's background from Company Man would be the beginning of his article, ect ect). I think it would be easier to read, imo.--[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 20:51, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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	Also, I think the examples should be categorized differently, like by the different characters as opposed to by the episodes the events occured in. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 15:04, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		Also, I think the examples should be categorized differently, like by the different characters as opposed to by the episodes the events occured in. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 15:04, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
	*Most of the changes you made were really good (though I'm not sure why the caption kept changing, or what was wrong with it in the first place). The only one I would restore: is "A [[the Haitian\|mysterious man]] renders Matt Parkman unconscious." Seems pretty morally ambiguous to me--in fact, any of the [[Company]]'s [[bag and tag]] missions would be considered "gray", I would imagine.<p>As for categorizing by character: I don't see what's wrong with categorizing by episode--it's how almost the entire rest of the site is organized. Almost every other theme is broken down episodically, too; the one or two that aren't seem really out of place, in my opinion. If, for some reason, the community decides to change the organization of this page, it really should be done for all the themes, for standardization's sake. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		*Most of the changes you made were really good (though I'm not sure why the caption kept changing, or what was wrong with it in the first place). The only one I would restore: is "A [[the Haitian\|mysterious man]] renders Matt Parkman unconscious." Seems pretty morally ambiguous to me--in fact, any of the [[Company]]'s [[bag and tag]] missions would be considered "gray", I would imagine.<p>As for categorizing by character: I don't see what's wrong with categorizing by episode--it's how almost the entire rest of the site is organized. Almost every other theme is broken down episodically, too; the one or two that aren't seem really out of place, in my opinion. If, for some reason, the community decides to change the organization of this page, it really should be done for all the themes, for standardization's sake. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
	**Concerning the caption; I guess I just wanted more context on why HRG was shooting Claude (ie, how he was on orders when he shot Claude, why he ~~was on~~ orders to shoot Claude in the first place, ect).		**Concerning the caption; I guess I just wanted more context on why HRG was shooting Claude (ie, how he was on orders when he shot Claude, why there were orders to shoot Claude in the first place, ect).
	**Also, this applies more to the other articles, but I think they would look better if the information was in chronological order (ie, Linderman's Vietnam history would be in the beginning of his article, HRG's background from Company Man would be the beginning of his article, ect ect). I think it would be easier to read, imo.--[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 20:51, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		**Also, this applies more to the other articles, but I think they would look better if the information was in chronological order (ie, Linderman's Vietnam history would be in the beginning of his article, HRG's background from Company Man would be the beginning of his article, ect ect). I think it would be easier to read, imo.--[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 20:51, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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	*Most of the changes you made were really good (though I'm not sure why the caption kept changing, or what was wrong with it in the first place). The only one I would restore: is "A [[the Haitian\|mysterious man]] renders Matt Parkman unconscious." Seems pretty morally ambiguous to me--in fact, any of the [[Company]]'s [[bag and tag]] missions would be considered "gray", I would imagine.<p>As for categorizing by character: I don't see what's wrong with categorizing by episode--it's how almost the entire rest of the site is organized. Almost every other theme is broken down episodically, too; the one or two that aren't seem really out of place, in my opinion. If, for some reason, the community decides to change the organization of this page, it really should be done for all the themes, for standardization's sake. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		*Most of the changes you made were really good (though I'm not sure why the caption kept changing, or what was wrong with it in the first place). The only one I would restore: is "A [[the Haitian\|mysterious man]] renders Matt Parkman unconscious." Seems pretty morally ambiguous to me--in fact, any of the [[Company]]'s [[bag and tag]] missions would be considered "gray", I would imagine.<p>As for categorizing by character: I don't see what's wrong with categorizing by episode--it's how almost the entire rest of the site is organized. Almost every other theme is broken down episodically, too; the one or two that aren't seem really out of place, in my opinion. If, for some reason, the community decides to change the organization of this page, it really should be done for all the themes, for standardization's sake. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
	**Concerning the caption; I guess I just wanted more context on why HRG was shooting Claude (ie, how he was on orders when he shot Claude, why he was on orders to shoot Claude in the first place, ect).		**Concerning the caption; I guess I just wanted more context on why HRG was shooting Claude (ie, how he was on orders when he shot Claude, why he was on orders to shoot Claude in the first place, ect).
	**Also, this applies to more the other articles, but I think they would look better if the information was in chronological order (ie, Linderman's Vietnam history would be in the beginning of his article, HRG's background from Company Man would be the beginning of his article, ect ect). I think it would be easier to read, imo.--[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 20:51, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		**Also, this applies more to the other articles, but I think they would look better if the information was in chronological order (ie, Linderman's Vietnam history would be in the beginning of his article, HRG's background from Company Man would be the beginning of his article, ect ect). I think it would be easier to read, imo.--[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 20:51, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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	Also, I think the examples should be categorized differently, like by the different characters as opposed to by the episodes the events occured in. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 15:04, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		Also, I think the examples should be categorized differently, like by the different characters as opposed to by the episodes the events occured in. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 15:04, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
	*Most of the changes you made were really good (though I'm not sure why the caption kept changing, or what was wrong with it in the first place). The only one I would restore: is "A [[the Haitian\|mysterious man]] renders Matt Parkman unconscious." Seems pretty morally ambiguous to me--in fact, any of the [[Company]]'s [[bag and tag]] missions would be considered "gray", I would imagine.<p>As for categorizing by character: I don't see what's wrong with categorizing by episode--it's how almost the entire rest of the site is organized. Almost every other theme is broken down episodically, too; the one or two that aren't seem really out of place, in my opinion. If, for some reason, the community decides to change the organization of this page, it really should be done for all the themes, for standardization's sake. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		*Most of the changes you made were really good (though I'm not sure why the caption kept changing, or what was wrong with it in the first place). The only one I would restore: is "A [[the Haitian\|mysterious man]] renders Matt Parkman unconscious." Seems pretty morally ambiguous to me--in fact, any of the [[Company]]'s [[bag and tag]] missions would be considered "gray", I would imagine.<p>As for categorizing by character: I don't see what's wrong with categorizing by episode--it's how almost the entire rest of the site is organized. Almost every other theme is broken down episodically, too; the one or two that aren't seem really out of place, in my opinion. If, for some reason, the community decides to change the organization of this page, it really should be done for all the themes, for standardization's sake. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
			**Concerning the caption; I guess I just wanted more context on why HRG was shooting Claude (ie, how he was on orders when he shot Claude, why he was on orders to shoot Claude in the first place, ect).
			**Also, this applies to more the other articles, but I think they would look better if the information was in chronological order (ie, Linderman's Vietnam history would be in the beginning of his article, HRG's background from Company Man would be the beginning of his article, ect ect). I think it would be easier to read, imo.--[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 20:51, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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	Also, I think the examples should be categorized differently, like by the different characters as opposed to by the episodes the events occured in. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 15:04, 23 April 2007 (EDT)		Also, I think the examples should be categorized differently, like by the different characters as opposed to by the episodes the events occured in. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 15:04, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
			*Most of the changes you made were really good (though I'm not sure why the caption kept changing, or what was wrong with it in the first place). The only one I would restore: is "A [[the Haitian\|mysterious man]] renders Matt Parkman unconscious." Seems pretty morally ambiguous to me--in fact, any of the [[Company]]'s [[bag and tag]] missions would be considered "gray", I would imagine.<p>As for categorizing by character: I don't see what's wrong with categorizing by episode--it's how almost the entire rest of the site is organized. Almost every other theme is broken down episodically, too; the one or two that aren't seem really out of place, in my opinion. If, for some reason, the community decides to change the organization of this page, it really should be done for all the themes, for standardization's sake. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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	I think the main image should have something like Mr. Bennet, as opposed to the sex-tape. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 19:33, 22 April 2007 (EDT)		I think the main image should have something like Mr. Bennet, as opposed to the sex-tape. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 19:33, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
	*Good call, I never really thought the sex tape pic was a very clear example of moral ambiguity (I still don't). I went with Bennet shooting his friend and partner instead. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 21:36, 22 April 2007 (EDT)		*Good call, I never really thought the sex tape pic was a very clear example of moral ambiguity (I still don't). I went with Bennet shooting his friend and partner instead. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 21:36, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

			== Removed some stuff ==

			I've removed stuff that wasn't morally ambiguous (ie, shades of gray; like doing something bad but with good intentions). Stuff like Brody trying to rape Claire, or Sylar killing someone, doesn't qualify because there's nothing altruistic or redeeming about their actions. Similiarly, stuff like Niki going to an AA meeting doesn't qualify because she isn't doing anything wrong.

			Also, I think the examples should be categorized differently, like by the different characters as opposed to by the episodes the events occured in. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 15:04, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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	I think the main image should have something like Mr. Bennet, as opposed to the sex-tape. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 19:33, 22 April 2007 (EDT)		I think the main image should have something like Mr. Bennet, as opposed to the sex-tape. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 19:33, 22 April 2007 (EDT)
			*Good call, I never really thought the sex tape pic was a very clear example of moral ambiguity (I still don't). I went with Bennet shooting his friend and partner instead. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 21:36, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

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	So I think that the continuation of Sylar's attacks should not be included on this page. Moral ambiguity suggests that the line is blurred. I think the first instance of his attacks should note his motives, but subsequent attacks are derived from that one motive. Just my thoughts.--[[User:Baldbobbo\|Bob]] 05:40, 3 April 2007 (EDT)		So I think that the continuation of Sylar's attacks should not be included on this page. Moral ambiguity suggests that the line is blurred. I think the first instance of his attacks should note his motives, but subsequent attacks are derived from that one motive. Just my thoughts.--[[User:Baldbobbo\|Bob]] 05:40, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

			== Main image ==

			I think the main image should have something like Mr. Bennet, as opposed to the sex-tape. --[[User:Cylon\|Cylon]] 19:33, 22 April 2007 (EDT)