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	:* Shut down the upper brain functions of humans remotely, effectively making them zombies. (''[[It Takes a Village, Part 3]]'')		:* Shut down the upper brain functions of humans remotely, effectively making them zombies. (''[[It Takes a Village, Part 3]]'')
	:* Knock humans unconscious through touch or remotely. (''[[Homecoming]]'', ''[[One Giant Leap]]'')		:* Knock humans unconscious through touch or remotely. (''[[Episode:Homecoming\|Homecoming]]'', ''[[One Giant Leap]]'')
	:* Erase memories through touch. (''[[Collision]]'')		:* Erase memories through touch. (''[[Collision]]'')
	:* Block abilities remotely. (''[[One Giant Leap]]'')		:* Block abilities remotely. (''[[One Giant Leap]]'')

imported>Radicell: it's best not to have section-3 headings in archives

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it's best not to have section-3 headings in archives

imported>PJDEP: New page: {{archivepage}}{{tocright}} == I'm sorry, but no. == "Lobotomize" was CLEARLY a description she gave, since she still doesn't quite understand what her power is. This page is pretty ridi...

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New page: {{archivepage}}{{tocright}} == I'm sorry, but no. == "Lobotomize" was CLEARLY a description she gave, since she still doesn't quite understand what her power is. This page is pretty ridi...

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	: Summing up...this ability should either be renamed to lobotomization with a descriptive canon level, renamed to Anna's ability, or kept here with the canon level being switched to descriptive (as it currently implies that we were told in an episode that this is what the ability is, which we weren't). In any of those cases, I feel this should be discussed and decided upon, sans consensus (otherwise, the debate is essentially over, since it's unlikely the minority is going to convince the majority to change their minds, making a consensus to change it near impossible to achieve). --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 00:44, 27 December 2008 (EST)		: Summing up...this ability should either be renamed to lobotomization with a descriptive canon level, renamed to Anna's ability, or kept here with the canon level being switched to descriptive (as it currently implies that we were told in an episode that this is what the ability is, which we weren't). In any of those cases, I feel this should be discussed and decided upon, sans consensus (otherwise, the debate is essentially over, since it's unlikely the minority is going to convince the majority to change their minds, making a consensus to change it near impossible to achieve). --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 00:44, 27 December 2008 (EST)
	:: Please hold off Stevehim and read what I said above and read the prior conversation about the term on the Haitian's page. This is not something I dragged up out of the blue, this has been discussed before for the Haitian and the Mozaic file is not just about empathic mimicry. The term is an actual commonly used scientific term in the real world for when parts of the brain are impaired or shut down, which is what Anna does. So it's a common term that was used it the show and it applies to Anna's ability.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:56, 27 December 2008 (EST)		:: Please hold off Stevehim and read what I said above and read the prior conversation about the term on the Haitian's page. This is not something I dragged up out of the blue, this has been discussed before for the Haitian and the Mozaic file is not just about empathic mimicry. The term is an actual commonly used scientific term in the real world for when parts of the brain are impaired or shut down, which is what Anna does. So it's a common term that was used it the show and it applies to Anna's ability.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:56, 27 December 2008 (EST)

	~~===~~Didn't imply~~===~~		'''Didn't imply'''
	I didn't mean to imply that you brought it up out of the blue, or that I was planning on changing anything. I do see several problems though. First, if the Mozaic file is about other powers, then the description [[Mozaic file#The Fix\|here]] is very misleading, and should probably be clarified. Second, I couldn't find the term 'neurocognitive deficit' anywhere on the Haitian's talk page. I'm guessing you're talking about the [[Talk:The Haitian#Amnegenesis\|Amnegenesis]] discussion, which is interesting with regards to the science behind things, and I appreciate that in the real world the term might be used to aptly apply to Anna's ability, but we can't go by real world definitions (at least not in terms of canon). I also don't like the idea that we made a pretty big logical leap...		I didn't mean to imply that you brought it up out of the blue, or that I was planning on changing anything. I do see several problems though. First, if the Mozaic file is about other powers, then the description [[Mozaic file#The Fix\|here]] is very misleading, and should probably be clarified. Second, I couldn't find the term 'neurocognitive deficit' anywhere on the Haitian's talk page. I'm guessing you're talking about the [[Talk:The Haitian#Amnegenesis\|Amnegenesis]] discussion, which is interesting with regards to the science behind things, and I appreciate that in the real world the term might be used to aptly apply to Anna's ability, but we can't go by real world definitions (at least not in terms of canon). I also don't like the idea that we made a pretty big logical leap...
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	::::I'm fairly certain Ryan's going to voice his views on this this evening.<p />What other descriptive names have we used for abilities that have no in-story conection to the abilities they describe? --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 13:22, 27 December 2008 (EST)		::::I'm fairly certain Ryan's going to voice his views on this this evening.<p />What other descriptive names have we used for abilities that have no in-story conection to the abilities they describe? --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 13:22, 27 December 2008 (EST)
	:::::There are several, including "body insertion", "plant growth", "elasticity", "forcefield projection", "luminescence", and "omnilingualism".--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 13:51, 27 December 2008 (EST)		:::::There are several, including "body insertion", "plant growth", "elasticity", "forcefield projection", "luminescence", and "omnilingualism".--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 13:51, 27 December 2008 (EST)

	~~===~~Didn't imply (part 2)~~===~~		'''Didn't imply (part 2)'''
	EDIT: Much of the following no longer matters due to the consensus result section, but I'll leave it here for the heck of it. ;)		EDIT: Much of the following no longer matters due to the consensus result section, but I'll leave it here for the heck of it. ;)
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	** It's nice that it cuts down on the scrolling. :)--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:49, 29 December 2008 (EST)		** It's nice that it cuts down on the scrolling. :)--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:49, 29 December 2008 (EST)

	~~===~~Merge back with [[Mental manipulation]]~~===~~		'''Merge back with [[Mental manipulation]]'''
	#was there any consensus to split it apart from MM in the first place? Why do we need one to correct it?--[[User:Piemanmoo\|Piemanmoo]] 20:17, 25 December 2008 (EST)		#was there any consensus to split it apart from MM in the first place? Why do we need one to correct it?--[[User:Piemanmoo\|Piemanmoo]] 20:17, 25 December 2008 (EST)
	#If there wasn't a consensus before splitting the article, I say we merge it back before deciding on any further course of action. --[[User:Ciwey\|Ciwey]] 21:42, 25 December 2008 (EST)		#If there wasn't a consensus before splitting the article, I say we merge it back before deciding on any further course of action. --[[User:Ciwey\|Ciwey]] 21:42, 25 December 2008 (EST)
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	#--{{User:Steelymcbeam/sig}} 12:30, 11 March 2009 (EDT) Exact same reason at HDS.		#--{{User:Steelymcbeam/sig}} 12:30, 11 March 2009 (EDT) Exact same reason at HDS.

	~~===~~Merge the Haitian's ability here~~===~~		'''Merge the Haitian's ability here'''
	#--[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 12:37, 27 December 2008 (EST) In light of Yamawhata?'s argument and bits listed elsewhere on this page.		#--[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 12:37, 27 December 2008 (EST) In light of Yamawhata?'s argument and bits listed elsewhere on this page.

	~~===~~Keep as Neurocognitive deficit~~===~~		'''Keep as Neurocognitive deficit'''
	#--{{User:NiveKJ13/sig1}} 14:15, 25 December 2008 (EST)		#--{{User:NiveKJ13/sig1}} 14:15, 25 December 2008 (EST)
	#--[[User:UrNoob\|Max]] 15:58, 25 December 2008 (EST)		#--[[User:UrNoob\|Max]] 15:58, 25 December 2008 (EST)
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	#--[[User:Ikkian\|Ikkian]] 17:19, 26 December 2008 (EST)		#--[[User:Ikkian\|Ikkian]] 17:19, 26 December 2008 (EST)

	~~===~~Keep as Lobotomization~~===~~		'''Keep as Lobotomization'''
	<s>#-- [[User:Laughingdevilboy\|laughingdevilboy]] 16:16, 25 December 2008 (EST)</s>		<s>#-- [[User:Laughingdevilboy\|laughingdevilboy]] 16:16, 25 December 2008 (EST)</s>
	* Lobotomization isn't an option since it does not accurately encompass her ability based on what we know. Would you rather her ability be called just "Anna's ability"? That is the only other option at this time unless you suggest another.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:43, 25 December 2008 (EST)		* Lobotomization isn't an option since it does not accurately encompass her ability based on what we know. Would you rather her ability be called just "Anna's ability"? That is the only other option at this time unless you suggest another.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:43, 25 December 2008 (EST)
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	**There were no voices to move it to "lobotomization" to begin with, and the detail she gave was a near-canon description, not a canon definition. If we don't call Daphne a "speedster", there's no reason we need to call Anna's ability "lobotomization". --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 12:48, 27 December 2008 (EST)		**There were no voices to move it to "lobotomization" to begin with, and the detail she gave was a near-canon description, not a canon definition. If we don't call Daphne a "speedster", there's no reason we need to call Anna's ability "lobotomization". --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 12:48, 27 December 2008 (EST)

	===Consensus result===		==Consensus result==
	* Since SacValleDweller would rather have lobotomization or Anna's ability over the current name, I think an administrator will likely move this to "Anna's ability" since there is no longer consensus for the current descriptive name. However, I'll leave it up to an administrator to decide whether or not there was a consensus for the current name before SVD's opinion and perform the move, if needed. I think there was consensus, but there are those who are saying that a certain amount of time and people must contribute for there to be consensus. If that is deemed so, what is the threshold for how much time and how many people that must voice 100% agreeing opinions before it can be called consensus?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 13:29, 27 December 2008 (EST)		* Since SacValleDweller would rather have lobotomization or Anna's ability over the current name, I think an administrator will likely move this to "Anna's ability" since there is no longer consensus for the current descriptive name. However, I'll leave it up to an administrator to decide whether or not there was a consensus for the current name before SVD's opinion and perform the move, if needed. I think there was consensus, but there are those who are saying that a certain amount of time and people must contribute for there to be consensus. If that is deemed so, what is the threshold for how much time and how many people that must voice 100% agreeing opinions before it can be called consensus?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 13:29, 27 December 2008 (EST)
	** I didn't exactly mean to say that we should have exact minimums for consensus, but just that a few hours on a day when most people aren't around is probably too short. As for how many people are needed to voice opinions, I don't think that can be quantified either. If, in 35 minutes, a bunch of people have voiced their opinions and hammered out an agreement, that's reasonable, imo. If, on the other hand, a week has gone by and nobody but two or three people seem willing to discuss the issue, and they agree, that seems fair as well. I think it just needs to be a generally reasonable amount of time for a community discussion to have occurred (even if it never does). --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 13:54, 27 December 2008 (EST)		** I didn't exactly mean to say that we should have exact minimums for consensus, but just that a few hours on a day when most people aren't around is probably too short. As for how many people are needed to voice opinions, I don't think that can be quantified either. If, in 35 minutes, a bunch of people have voiced their opinions and hammered out an agreement, that's reasonable, imo. If, on the other hand, a week has gone by and nobody but two or three people seem willing to discuss the issue, and they agree, that seems fair as well. I think it just needs to be a generally reasonable amount of time for a community discussion to have occurred (even if it never does). --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 13:54, 27 December 2008 (EST)

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imported>Radicell: it's best not to have section-3 headings in archives

imported>PJDEP: New page: {{archivepage}}{{tocright}} == I'm sorry, but no. == "Lobotomize" was CLEARLY a description she gave, since she still doesn't quite understand what her power is. This page is pretty ridi...