Talk:Nielsen Ratings - Revision history

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	It doesn't bother me that much that the averages are included since you can re-sort them back to the bottom using the airdate sort button. However, we could modify the "sortable" javascript to not sort last lines for tables with a "nosortlastline" class. What do you think, Hardvice?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:51, 10 November 2007 (EST)		It doesn't bother me that much that the averages are included since you can re-sort them back to the bottom using the airdate sort button. However, we could modify the "sortable" javascript to not sort last lines for tables with a "nosortlastline" class. What do you think, Hardvice?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:51, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	* Actually, I've got it all matched up and excluding the averages (and not collapsing them). Aligns perfect in IE, FF, and Safari. See [[template:season one nielsen]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:57, 10 November 2007 (EST)		* Actually, I've got it all matched up and excluding the averages (and not collapsing them). Aligns perfect in IE, FF, and Safari. See [[template:season one nielsen]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:57, 10 November 2007 (EST)

			==11/16/09 Ratings==
			Nielsen's Fast National Ratings for Monday have been delayed till at least Wednesday morning due to a power outage at Nielsen's Florida facility on Monday. The outage has also delayed Nielsen's final ratings release for last week till tomorrow morning as well.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:03, 17 November 2009 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: add see also blurb

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			{{blurb}}'''See also:'''<br />
			[[Talk:Nielsen Ratings/Season One]]<br />
			[[Talk:Nielsen Ratings/Season Three]]{{blurbclose}}
	* I'd just like to state for the record that Nielson is in fact the devil. They murder perfectly good television shows with their flawed processes. (Just a little steam to let out) ---- [[Image:Ohmyn0.jpg]][[Image:Ohmyn0talk.jpg]] 03:02, 4 July 2007 (EDT)		* I'd just like to state for the record that Nielson is in fact the devil. They murder perfectly good television shows with their flawed processes. (Just a little steam to let out) ---- [[Image:Ohmyn0.jpg]][[Image:Ohmyn0talk.jpg]] 03:02, 4 July 2007 (EDT)
	* Just a note-to-self and other editors that it looks like the actual Nielson ratings come out the Monday after an episode airs, and the Fast National ratings come out only 1-2 days after the airing (much quicker).--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 03:24, 26 September 2007 (EDT)		* Just a note-to-self and other editors that it looks like the actual Nielson ratings come out the Monday after an episode airs, and the Fast National ratings come out only 1-2 days after the airing (much quicker).--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 03:24, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

imported>MiamiVolts: /* Merge */ What else should it say?

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Merge: What else should it say?

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	**** I've just never been a fan of an individual article named "Nielson ratings"; it always seemed out of place to me. I've always thought that it should either be merged into [[Heroes]] or perhaps exist as a subpage of Heroes. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:23, 10 October 2007 (EDT))		**** I've just never been a fan of an individual article named "Nielson ratings"; it always seemed out of place to me. I've always thought that it should either be merged into [[Heroes]] or perhaps exist as a subpage of Heroes. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:23, 10 October 2007 (EDT))
	**** Well that is a stupid thought, the whole point of WWW was to spread it up instead of having everything no the same page. And that folding system needs to be improved, I came to this page to ask why there was no ratings from season one, until I from comments here realised that they were hidding and needed to be figured out (another dumb implementation) --[[User:IceHunter\|IceHunter]] 22:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)		**** Well that is a stupid thought, the whole point of WWW was to spread it up instead of having everything no the same page. And that folding system needs to be improved, I came to this page to ask why there was no ratings from season one, until I from comments here realised that they were hidding and needed to be figured out (another dumb implementation) --[[User:IceHunter\|IceHunter]] 22:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)
			***** A little late in this discussion, cause it was already decided to keep it a subpage. As for the hiding, it says to click "show" to see the individidual episode data in the header. Is there something else it should say?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 22:59, 29 November 2007 (EST)
⚫	***** ~~Perhaps~~ a ~~subpage~~ is a ~~better~~ ~~option.~~ [[Heroes]] is ~~just~~ so ~~frickin'~~ ~~bloated~~.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:35, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
			== Subpage ==
⚫	~~**~~ I agree about only including the current season on [[Heroes]]. As for deleting the article, I'm not sure why that's needed. Unlike video on demand, the ratings listing will continue to grow as long as the series continues to air new episodes, and only the current season's ratings are relevant. We can keep the article as a kind of archive of past seasons. As for converting to a subpage, that's okay but I'm not sure we need a different subpage for each season.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:45, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	~~*****~~ ~~Agreed.~~ ~~I'd~~ ~~much~~ ~~rather~~ ~~just~~ ~~move~~ ~~this to be a subpage of~~ [[Heroes]] ~~than~~ ~~maintain~~ ~~separate~~ ~~subpages~~ ~~for each season (not that anyone suggested that)~~.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:49, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		* Perhaps a subpage is a better option. [[Heroes]] is just so frickin' bloated.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:35, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
		⚫	** I agree about only including the current season on [[Heroes]]. As for deleting the article, I'm not sure why that's needed. Unlike video on demand, the ratings listing will continue to grow as long as the series continues to air new episodes, and only the current season's ratings are relevant. We can keep the article as a kind of archive of past seasons. As for converting to a subpage, that's okay but I'm not sure we need a different subpage for each season.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:45, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	******** Agreed. I like the noinclude/includeonly approach as well to limit it to the current season while providing a link to the full listing. Or you could use the [[Help:Collapsible_tables\|collapsible tables]] code to show only the current season. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:51, 10 October 2007 (EDT))
		⚫	*** Agreed. I'd much rather just move this to be a subpage of [[Heroes]] than maintain separate subpages for each season (not that anyone suggested that).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:49, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
⚫	~~**~~*** Noinclude/includeonly works best for limiting such huge articles that are already seperated. Hiding/collapsing the text isn't the same as not being sent the text. Collapsible tables are more for articles with spoiler info or articles that can't be broken any further like theory articles. If we do move this article to a subpage, I suggest keeping the article name as a redirect and to do the same with video on demand to allow for easier searching.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 18:31, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	~~****~~** ~~Search~~ ~~wouldn't~~ be ~~affected~~ ~~much~~ ~~either~~ ~~way~~ ~~since~~ ~~searching~~ ~~for~~ ~~either~~ ~~would~~ ~~return~~ the ~~page~~ ~~since~~ it ~~would~~ ~~match~~ on the ~~section~~ ~~heading~~. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:34, 10 October 2007 (EDT))		**** Agreed. I like the noinclude/includeonly approach as well to limit it to the current season while providing a link to the full listing. Or you could use the [[Help:Collapsible_tables\|collapsible tables]] code to show only the current season. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:51, 10 October 2007 (EDT))
		⚫	***** Noinclude/includeonly works best for limiting such huge articles that are already seperated. Hiding/collapsing the text isn't the same as not being sent the text. Collapsible tables are more for articles with spoiler info or articles that can't be broken any further like theory articles. If we do move this article to a subpage, I suggest keeping the article name as a redirect and to do the same with video on demand to allow for easier searching.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 18:31, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
⚫	~~**~~***** I don't have any problem with the page as it is--subpage or its own page, it's all the same to me. I'm not a fan of just dumping all the info onto the ''[[Heroes]]'' page, though--I'd rather see this page fleshed out with each season, including information in a Notes section about rankings (10 out of 10, for instance).... I didn't realize that both seasons were being included on ''[[Heroes]]''--definitely needs to be trimmed. Also, I'd personally prefer that just one or two columns of the table be included. Tricky, I know, but it could be done with templates or lots of noincludes. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:37, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	~~****~~**** ~~Did~~ ~~you~~ ~~check~~ ~~the~~ ~~collapsible~~ ~~table~~ ~~link~~ I ~~mentioned~~ ~~before?~~ It ~~might~~ be ~~what~~ ~~you're~~ ~~looking~~ ~~for~~. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:39, 10 October 2007 (EDT))		****** Search wouldn't be affected much either way since searching for either would return the page since it would match on the section heading. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:34, 10 October 2007 (EDT))
		⚫	******* I don't have any problem with the page as it is--subpage or its own page, it's all the same to me. I'm not a fan of just dumping all the info onto the ''[[Heroes]]'' page, though--I'd rather see this page fleshed out with each season, including information in a Notes section about rankings (10 out of 10, for instance).... I didn't realize that both seasons were being included on ''[[Heroes]]''--definitely needs to be trimmed. Also, I'd personally prefer that just one or two columns of the table be included. Tricky, I know, but it could be done with templates or lots of noincludes. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:37, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
⚫	~~**~~******* It looks like it might work. I'm not smart enough to be able to look at the help page and figure out if it would work--I'd have to test it out. Regardless, it seems like a good tool. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:53, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
			******** Did you check the collapsible table link I mentioned before? It might be what you're looking for. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:39, 10 October 2007 (EDT))
		⚫	********* It looks like it might work. I'm not smart enough to be able to look at the help page and figure out if it would work--I'd have to test it out. Regardless, it seems like a good tool. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:53, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

	==Mods==		==Mods==

imported>IceHunter: /* Merge */

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	*** Another option, since [[Heroes]] is pretty huge, would be to leave it as-is, but trim the transcluded part using noincludes to be just the current season, with an includeonly link back to the full article. I hesitate to think how [[Heroes]] will look by the end of the season, let alone by season 5.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:19, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		*** Another option, since [[Heroes]] is pretty huge, would be to leave it as-is, but trim the transcluded part using noincludes to be just the current season, with an includeonly link back to the full article. I hesitate to think how [[Heroes]] will look by the end of the season, let alone by season 5.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:19, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	**** I've just never been a fan of an individual article named "Nielson ratings"; it always seemed out of place to me. I've always thought that it should either be merged into [[Heroes]] or perhaps exist as a subpage of Heroes. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:23, 10 October 2007 (EDT))		**** I've just never been a fan of an individual article named "Nielson ratings"; it always seemed out of place to me. I've always thought that it should either be merged into [[Heroes]] or perhaps exist as a subpage of Heroes. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:23, 10 October 2007 (EDT))

	**** Well that is a stupid thought, the whole point of WWW was to spread it up instead of having everything no the same page. And that folding system needs to be improved, I came to this page to ask why there was no ratings from season one, until I from comments here realised that they were hidding and needed to be figured out (another dumb implementation) --[[User:IceHunter\|IceHunter]] 22:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)		**** Well that is a stupid thought, the whole point of WWW was to spread it up instead of having everything no the same page. And that folding system needs to be improved, I came to this page to ask why there was no ratings from season one, until I from comments here realised that they were hidding and needed to be figured out (another dumb implementation) --[[User:IceHunter\|IceHunter]] 22:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)

	***** Perhaps a subpage is a better option. [[Heroes]] is just so frickin' bloated.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:35, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		***** Perhaps a subpage is a better option. [[Heroes]] is just so frickin' bloated.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:35, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	****** I agree about only including the current season on [[Heroes]]. As for deleting the article, I'm not sure why that's needed. Unlike video on demand, the ratings listing will continue to grow as long as the series continues to air new episodes, and only the current season's ratings are relevant. We can keep the article as a kind of archive of past seasons. As for converting to a subpage, that's okay but I'm not sure we need a different subpage for each season.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:45, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		****** I agree about only including the current season on [[Heroes]]. As for deleting the article, I'm not sure why that's needed. Unlike video on demand, the ratings listing will continue to grow as long as the series continues to air new episodes, and only the current season's ratings are relevant. We can keep the article as a kind of archive of past seasons. As for converting to a subpage, that's okay but I'm not sure we need a different subpage for each season.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:45, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

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	*** Another option, since [[Heroes]] is pretty huge, would be to leave it as-is, but trim the transcluded part using noincludes to be just the current season, with an includeonly link back to the full article. I hesitate to think how [[Heroes]] will look by the end of the season, let alone by season 5.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:19, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		*** Another option, since [[Heroes]] is pretty huge, would be to leave it as-is, but trim the transcluded part using noincludes to be just the current season, with an includeonly link back to the full article. I hesitate to think how [[Heroes]] will look by the end of the season, let alone by season 5.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:19, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	**** I've just never been a fan of an individual article named "Nielson ratings"; it always seemed out of place to me. I've always thought that it should either be merged into [[Heroes]] or perhaps exist as a subpage of Heroes. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:23, 10 October 2007 (EDT))		**** I've just never been a fan of an individual article named "Nielson ratings"; it always seemed out of place to me. I've always thought that it should either be merged into [[Heroes]] or perhaps exist as a subpage of Heroes. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:23, 10 October 2007 (EDT))

			**** Well that is a stupid thought, the whole point of WWW was to spread it up instead of having everything no the same page. And that folding system needs to be improved, I came to this page to ask why there was no ratings from season one, until I from comments here realised that they were hidding and needed to be figured out (another dumb implementation) --[[User:IceHunter\|IceHunter]] 22:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)

	***** Perhaps a subpage is a better option. [[Heroes]] is just so frickin' bloated.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:35, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		***** Perhaps a subpage is a better option. [[Heroes]] is just so frickin' bloated.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:35, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	****** I agree about only including the current season on [[Heroes]]. As for deleting the article, I'm not sure why that's needed. Unlike video on demand, the ratings listing will continue to grow as long as the series continues to air new episodes, and only the current season's ratings are relevant. We can keep the article as a kind of archive of past seasons. As for converting to a subpage, that's okay but I'm not sure we need a different subpage for each season.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:45, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		****** I agree about only including the current season on [[Heroes]]. As for deleting the article, I'm not sure why that's needed. Unlike video on demand, the ratings listing will continue to grow as long as the series continues to air new episodes, and only the current season's ratings are relevant. We can keep the article as a kind of archive of past seasons. As for converting to a subpage, that's okay but I'm not sure we need a different subpage for each season.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:45, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
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	************ Did you check the collapsible table link I mentioned before? It might be what you're looking for. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:39, 10 October 2007 (EDT))		************ Did you check the collapsible table link I mentioned before? It might be what you're looking for. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:39, 10 October 2007 (EDT))
	************* It looks like it might work. I'm not smart enough to be able to look at the help page and figure out if it would work--I'd have to test it out. Regardless, it seems like a good tool. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:53, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		************* It looks like it might work. I'm not smart enough to be able to look at the help page and figure out if it would work--I'd have to test it out. Regardless, it seems like a good tool. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:53, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

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	Ok, I just trimmed the include to just Season Two. Ryan is also correcting it. I'm not sure why he'd want only a couple columns printed, though. Looks good as-is, imho. Anyways, I still think you should re-consider the redirects: Searching for video on demand lists both the Daniel Linderman and the Heroes articles, and from the text shown, it not obvious that anything exists. Searching for Nielson Ratings returns only the current article, not Heroes.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:12, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		Ok, I just trimmed the include to just Season Two. Ryan is also correcting it. I'm not sure why he'd want only a couple columns printed, though. Looks good as-is, imho. Anyways, I still think you should re-consider the redirects: Searching for video on demand lists both the Daniel Linderman and the Heroes articles, and from the text shown, it not obvious that anything exists. Searching for Nielson Ratings returns only the current article, not Heroes.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:12, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

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	== Sorting ==		== Sorting ==
	It doesn't bother me that much that the averages are included since you can re-sort them back to the bottom using the airdate sort button. However, we could modify the "sortable" javascript to not sort last lines for tables with a "nosortlastline" class. What do you think, Hardvice?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:51, 10 November 2007 (EST)		It doesn't bother me that much that the averages are included since you can re-sort them back to the bottom using the airdate sort button. However, we could modify the "sortable" javascript to not sort last lines for tables with a "nosortlastline" class. What do you think, Hardvice?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:51, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	* Actually, I've got it all matched up and excluding the averages (and not collapsing them). Aligns perfect in IE, FF, and Safari. See [[template:season one ~~nielson~~]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:57, 10 November 2007 (EST)		* Actually, I've got it all matched up and excluding the averages (and not collapsing them). Aligns perfect in IE, FF, and Safari. See [[template:season one nielsen]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:57, 10 November 2007 (EST)

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	== Sorting ==		== Sorting ==
	It doesn't bother me that much that the averages are included since you can re-sort them back to the bottom using the airdate sort button. However, we could modify the "sortable" javascript to not sort last lines for tables with a "nosortlastline" class. What do you think, Hardvice?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:51, 10 November 2007 (EST)		It doesn't bother me that much that the averages are included since you can re-sort them back to the bottom using the airdate sort button. However, we could modify the "sortable" javascript to not sort last lines for tables with a "nosortlastline" class. What do you think, Hardvice?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:51, 10 November 2007 (EST)
			* Actually, I've got it all matched up and excluding the averages (and not collapsing them). Aligns perfect in IE, FF, and Safari. See [[template:season one nielson]].--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:57, 10 November 2007 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: Re: Sorting

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	********** Well, we could expland the stuff we did for ietop to add a custom CSS for IE, however, check out my mods to [[Nielsen Ratings]] and let me know what you think. I added the sortable option, but the averages have to collapse. It's not so bad, imho.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:38, 10 November 2007 (EST)		********** Well, we could expland the stuff we did for ietop to add a custom CSS for IE, however, check out my mods to [[Nielsen Ratings]] and let me know what you think. I added the sortable option, but the averages have to collapse. It's not so bad, imho.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:38, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	*********** It's a little icky that it sorts the averages into the table, though.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:41, 10 November 2007 (EST)		*********** It's a little icky that it sorts the averages into the table, though.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:41, 10 November 2007 (EST)
			== Sorting ==
			It doesn't bother me that much that the averages are included since you can re-sort them back to the bottom using the airdate sort button. However, we could modify the "sortable" javascript to not sort last lines for tables with a "nosortlastline" class. What do you think, Hardvice?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:51, 10 November 2007 (EST)

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	********* What's frustrating is that it's near perfect on FF and Safari, whereas the current one is much closer on IE but way off in FF & Safari -- and there's no browser-dependent CSS. GRRR.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:02, 10 November 2007 (EST)		********* What's frustrating is that it's near perfect on FF and Safari, whereas the current one is much closer on IE but way off in FF & Safari -- and there's no browser-dependent CSS. GRRR.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:02, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	********** Well, we could expland the stuff we did for ietop to add a custom CSS for IE, however, check out my mods to [[Nielsen Ratings]] and let me know what you think. I added the sortable option, but the averages have to collapse. It's not so bad, imho.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:38, 10 November 2007 (EST)		********** Well, we could expland the stuff we did for ietop to add a custom CSS for IE, however, check out my mods to [[Nielsen Ratings]] and let me know what you think. I added the sortable option, but the averages have to collapse. It's not so bad, imho.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:38, 10 November 2007 (EST)
			*********** It's a little icky that it sorts the averages into the table, though.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:41, 10 November 2007 (EST)

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	**** I've just never been a fan of an individual article named "Nielson ratings"; it always seemed out of place to me. I've always thought that it should either be merged into [[Heroes]] or perhaps exist as a subpage of Heroes. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:23, 10 October 2007 (EDT))		**** I've just never been a fan of an individual article named "Nielson ratings"; it always seemed out of place to me. I've always thought that it should either be merged into [[Heroes]] or perhaps exist as a subpage of Heroes. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:23, 10 October 2007 (EDT))
	**** Well that is a stupid thought, the whole point of WWW was to spread it up instead of having everything no the same page. And that folding system needs to be improved, I came to this page to ask why there was no ratings from season one, until I from comments here realised that they were hidding and needed to be figured out (another dumb implementation) --[[User:IceHunter\|IceHunter]] 22:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)		**** Well that is a stupid thought, the whole point of WWW was to spread it up instead of having everything no the same page. And that folding system needs to be improved, I came to this page to ask why there was no ratings from season one, until I from comments here realised that they were hidding and needed to be figured out (another dumb implementation) --[[User:IceHunter\|IceHunter]] 22:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)
			***** A little late in this discussion, cause it was already decided to keep it a subpage. As for the hiding, it says to click "show" to see the individidual episode data in the header. Is there something else it should say?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 22:59, 29 November 2007 (EST)
⚫	***** ~~Perhaps~~ a ~~subpage~~ is a ~~better~~ ~~option.~~ [[Heroes]] is ~~just~~ so ~~frickin'~~ ~~bloated~~.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:35, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
			== Subpage ==
⚫	~~**~~ I agree about only including the current season on [[Heroes]]. As for deleting the article, I'm not sure why that's needed. Unlike video on demand, the ratings listing will continue to grow as long as the series continues to air new episodes, and only the current season's ratings are relevant. We can keep the article as a kind of archive of past seasons. As for converting to a subpage, that's okay but I'm not sure we need a different subpage for each season.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:45, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	~~*****~~ ~~Agreed.~~ ~~I'd~~ ~~much~~ ~~rather~~ ~~just~~ ~~move~~ ~~this to be a subpage of~~ [[Heroes]] ~~than~~ ~~maintain~~ ~~separate~~ ~~subpages~~ ~~for each season (not that anyone suggested that)~~.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:49, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		* Perhaps a subpage is a better option. [[Heroes]] is just so frickin' bloated.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:35, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
		⚫	** I agree about only including the current season on [[Heroes]]. As for deleting the article, I'm not sure why that's needed. Unlike video on demand, the ratings listing will continue to grow as long as the series continues to air new episodes, and only the current season's ratings are relevant. We can keep the article as a kind of archive of past seasons. As for converting to a subpage, that's okay but I'm not sure we need a different subpage for each season.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:45, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	******** Agreed. I like the noinclude/includeonly approach as well to limit it to the current season while providing a link to the full listing. Or you could use the [[Help:Collapsible_tables\|collapsible tables]] code to show only the current season. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:51, 10 October 2007 (EDT))
		⚫	*** Agreed. I'd much rather just move this to be a subpage of [[Heroes]] than maintain separate subpages for each season (not that anyone suggested that).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:49, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
⚫	~~**~~*** Noinclude/includeonly works best for limiting such huge articles that are already seperated. Hiding/collapsing the text isn't the same as not being sent the text. Collapsible tables are more for articles with spoiler info or articles that can't be broken any further like theory articles. If we do move this article to a subpage, I suggest keeping the article name as a redirect and to do the same with video on demand to allow for easier searching.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 18:31, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	~~****~~** ~~Search~~ ~~wouldn't~~ be ~~affected~~ ~~much~~ ~~either~~ ~~way~~ ~~since~~ ~~searching~~ ~~for~~ ~~either~~ ~~would~~ ~~return~~ the ~~page~~ ~~since~~ it ~~would~~ ~~match~~ on the ~~section~~ ~~heading~~. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:34, 10 October 2007 (EDT))		**** Agreed. I like the noinclude/includeonly approach as well to limit it to the current season while providing a link to the full listing. Or you could use the [[Help:Collapsible_tables\|collapsible tables]] code to show only the current season. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:51, 10 October 2007 (EDT))
		⚫	***** Noinclude/includeonly works best for limiting such huge articles that are already seperated. Hiding/collapsing the text isn't the same as not being sent the text. Collapsible tables are more for articles with spoiler info or articles that can't be broken any further like theory articles. If we do move this article to a subpage, I suggest keeping the article name as a redirect and to do the same with video on demand to allow for easier searching.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 18:31, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
⚫	~~**~~***** I don't have any problem with the page as it is--subpage or its own page, it's all the same to me. I'm not a fan of just dumping all the info onto the ''[[Heroes]]'' page, though--I'd rather see this page fleshed out with each season, including information in a Notes section about rankings (10 out of 10, for instance).... I didn't realize that both seasons were being included on ''[[Heroes]]''--definitely needs to be trimmed. Also, I'd personally prefer that just one or two columns of the table be included. Tricky, I know, but it could be done with templates or lots of noincludes. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:37, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	~~****~~**** ~~Did~~ ~~you~~ ~~check~~ ~~the~~ ~~collapsible~~ ~~table~~ ~~link~~ I ~~mentioned~~ ~~before?~~ It ~~might~~ be ~~what~~ ~~you're~~ ~~looking~~ ~~for~~. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:39, 10 October 2007 (EDT))		****** Search wouldn't be affected much either way since searching for either would return the page since it would match on the section heading. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:34, 10 October 2007 (EDT))
		⚫	******* I don't have any problem with the page as it is--subpage or its own page, it's all the same to me. I'm not a fan of just dumping all the info onto the ''[[Heroes]]'' page, though--I'd rather see this page fleshed out with each season, including information in a Notes section about rankings (10 out of 10, for instance).... I didn't realize that both seasons were being included on ''[[Heroes]]''--definitely needs to be trimmed. Also, I'd personally prefer that just one or two columns of the table be included. Tricky, I know, but it could be done with templates or lots of noincludes. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:37, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
⚫	~~**~~******* It looks like it might work. I'm not smart enough to be able to look at the help page and figure out if it would work--I'd have to test it out. Regardless, it seems like a good tool. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:53, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
			******** Did you check the collapsible table link I mentioned before? It might be what you're looking for. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:39, 10 October 2007 (EDT))
		⚫	********* It looks like it might work. I'm not smart enough to be able to look at the help page and figure out if it would work--I'd have to test it out. Regardless, it seems like a good tool. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:53, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

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	*** Another option, since [[Heroes]] is pretty huge, would be to leave it as-is, but trim the transcluded part using noincludes to be just the current season, with an includeonly link back to the full article. I hesitate to think how [[Heroes]] will look by the end of the season, let alone by season 5.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:19, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		*** Another option, since [[Heroes]] is pretty huge, would be to leave it as-is, but trim the transcluded part using noincludes to be just the current season, with an includeonly link back to the full article. I hesitate to think how [[Heroes]] will look by the end of the season, let alone by season 5.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:19, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	**** I've just never been a fan of an individual article named "Nielson ratings"; it always seemed out of place to me. I've always thought that it should either be merged into [[Heroes]] or perhaps exist as a subpage of Heroes. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:23, 10 October 2007 (EDT))		**** I've just never been a fan of an individual article named "Nielson ratings"; it always seemed out of place to me. I've always thought that it should either be merged into [[Heroes]] or perhaps exist as a subpage of Heroes. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:23, 10 October 2007 (EDT))

	**** Well that is a stupid thought, the whole point of WWW was to spread it up instead of having everything no the same page. And that folding system needs to be improved, I came to this page to ask why there was no ratings from season one, until I from comments here realised that they were hidding and needed to be figured out (another dumb implementation) --[[User:IceHunter\|IceHunter]] 22:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)		**** Well that is a stupid thought, the whole point of WWW was to spread it up instead of having everything no the same page. And that folding system needs to be improved, I came to this page to ask why there was no ratings from season one, until I from comments here realised that they were hidding and needed to be figured out (another dumb implementation) --[[User:IceHunter\|IceHunter]] 22:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)

	***** Perhaps a subpage is a better option. [[Heroes]] is just so frickin' bloated.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:35, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		***** Perhaps a subpage is a better option. [[Heroes]] is just so frickin' bloated.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:35, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	****** I agree about only including the current season on [[Heroes]]. As for deleting the article, I'm not sure why that's needed. Unlike video on demand, the ratings listing will continue to grow as long as the series continues to air new episodes, and only the current season's ratings are relevant. We can keep the article as a kind of archive of past seasons. As for converting to a subpage, that's okay but I'm not sure we need a different subpage for each season.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:45, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		****** I agree about only including the current season on [[Heroes]]. As for deleting the article, I'm not sure why that's needed. Unlike video on demand, the ratings listing will continue to grow as long as the series continues to air new episodes, and only the current season's ratings are relevant. We can keep the article as a kind of archive of past seasons. As for converting to a subpage, that's okay but I'm not sure we need a different subpage for each season.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:45, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

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	*** Another option, since [[Heroes]] is pretty huge, would be to leave it as-is, but trim the transcluded part using noincludes to be just the current season, with an includeonly link back to the full article. I hesitate to think how [[Heroes]] will look by the end of the season, let alone by season 5.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:19, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		*** Another option, since [[Heroes]] is pretty huge, would be to leave it as-is, but trim the transcluded part using noincludes to be just the current season, with an includeonly link back to the full article. I hesitate to think how [[Heroes]] will look by the end of the season, let alone by season 5.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:19, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	**** I've just never been a fan of an individual article named "Nielson ratings"; it always seemed out of place to me. I've always thought that it should either be merged into [[Heroes]] or perhaps exist as a subpage of Heroes. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:23, 10 October 2007 (EDT))		**** I've just never been a fan of an individual article named "Nielson ratings"; it always seemed out of place to me. I've always thought that it should either be merged into [[Heroes]] or perhaps exist as a subpage of Heroes. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:23, 10 October 2007 (EDT))

			**** Well that is a stupid thought, the whole point of WWW was to spread it up instead of having everything no the same page. And that folding system needs to be improved, I came to this page to ask why there was no ratings from season one, until I from comments here realised that they were hidding and needed to be figured out (another dumb implementation) --[[User:IceHunter\|IceHunter]] 22:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)

	***** Perhaps a subpage is a better option. [[Heroes]] is just so frickin' bloated.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:35, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		***** Perhaps a subpage is a better option. [[Heroes]] is just so frickin' bloated.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:35, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
	****** I agree about only including the current season on [[Heroes]]. As for deleting the article, I'm not sure why that's needed. Unlike video on demand, the ratings listing will continue to grow as long as the series continues to air new episodes, and only the current season's ratings are relevant. We can keep the article as a kind of archive of past seasons. As for converting to a subpage, that's okay but I'm not sure we need a different subpage for each season.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:45, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		****** I agree about only including the current season on [[Heroes]]. As for deleting the article, I'm not sure why that's needed. Unlike video on demand, the ratings listing will continue to grow as long as the series continues to air new episodes, and only the current season's ratings are relevant. We can keep the article as a kind of archive of past seasons. As for converting to a subpage, that's okay but I'm not sure we need a different subpage for each season.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 17:45, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
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	************ Did you check the collapsible table link I mentioned before? It might be what you're looking for. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:39, 10 October 2007 (EDT))		************ Did you check the collapsible table link I mentioned before? It might be what you're looking for. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 18:39, 10 October 2007 (EDT))
	************* It looks like it might work. I'm not smart enough to be able to look at the help page and figure out if it would work--I'd have to test it out. Regardless, it seems like a good tool. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:53, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		************* It looks like it might work. I'm not smart enough to be able to look at the help page and figure out if it would work--I'd have to test it out. Regardless, it seems like a good tool. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:53, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

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	Ok, I just trimmed the include to just Season Two. Ryan is also correcting it. I'm not sure why he'd want only a couple columns printed, though. Looks good as-is, imho. Anyways, I still think you should re-consider the redirects: Searching for video on demand lists both the Daniel Linderman and the Heroes articles, and from the text shown, it not obvious that anything exists. Searching for Nielson Ratings returns only the current article, not Heroes.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:12, 10 October 2007 (EDT)		Ok, I just trimmed the include to just Season Two. Ryan is also correcting it. I'm not sure why he'd want only a couple columns printed, though. Looks good as-is, imho. Anyways, I still think you should re-consider the redirects: Searching for video on demand lists both the Daniel Linderman and the Heroes articles, and from the text shown, it not obvious that anything exists. Searching for Nielson Ratings returns only the current article, not Heroes.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:12, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

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	********* What's frustrating is that it's near perfect on FF and Safari, whereas the current one is much closer on IE but way off in FF & Safari -- and there's no browser-dependent CSS. GRRR.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:02, 10 November 2007 (EST)		********* What's frustrating is that it's near perfect on FF and Safari, whereas the current one is much closer on IE but way off in FF & Safari -- and there's no browser-dependent CSS. GRRR.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:02, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	********** Well, we could expland the stuff we did for ietop to add a custom CSS for IE, however, check out my mods to [[Nielsen Ratings]] and let me know what you think. I added the sortable option, but the averages have to collapse. It's not so bad, imho.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:38, 10 November 2007 (EST)		********** Well, we could expland the stuff we did for ietop to add a custom CSS for IE, however, check out my mods to [[Nielsen Ratings]] and let me know what you think. I added the sortable option, but the averages have to collapse. It's not so bad, imho.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 01:38, 10 November 2007 (EST)
			*********** It's a little icky that it sorts the averages into the table, though.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:41, 10 November 2007 (EST)