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	The only exception is Nathan's flight, so far. Maybe in general a power cancels the same power out? [[User:Webrunner\|Webrunner]] 13:49, 31 January 2007 (EST)		The only exception is Nathan's flight, so far. Maybe in general a power cancels the same power out? [[User:Webrunner\|Webrunner]] 13:49, 31 January 2007 (EST)
	: I think it's axiomatic that when a person possesses an ability, that person cannot be directly harmed by it. Obviously, when Hiro stops time, he himself doesn't stop (that would be weird); when Claude is invisible, he can still see himself; Ted is not harmed by the radiation he uses to destroy other things; likewise with Mrs. Gordon's fire. So when these people use these powers around Peter, it's not that they don't work--in fact they clearly do in every case--it's just that Peter has the same power, and hence the same benefit of immunity that the original power wielder has.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 14:14, 31 January 2007 (EST)		: I think it's axiomatic that when a person possesses an ability, that person cannot be directly harmed by it. Obviously, when Hiro stops time, he himself doesn't stop (that would be weird); when Claude is invisible, he can still see himself; Ted is not harmed by the radiation he uses to destroy other things; likewise with Mrs. Gordon's fire. So when these people use these powers around Peter, it's not that they don't work--in fact they clearly do in every case--it's just that Peter has the same power, and hence the same benefit of immunity that the original power wielder has.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 14:14, 31 January 2007 (EST)
			*Come to think of it if Hiro stopped himself as well as everyone else we'd never unfreeze. Like, ever.

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	Sorry, I'm still new around here and don't want to splash the waters until I know the system =) Should there be some sort of section describing Nathan and Peter's relationship? Specifically, that Nathan frowns upon Peter's career choice and that Nathan considering Peter the less favored son? [[User:Kail Ceannai\|Kail Ceannai]] 02:10, 29 November 2006 (EST)		Sorry, I'm still new around here and don't want to splash the waters until I know the system =) Should there be some sort of section describing Nathan and Peter's relationship? Specifically, that Nathan frowns upon Peter's career choice and that Nathan considering Peter the less favored son? [[User:Kail Ceannai\|Kail Ceannai]] 02:10, 29 November 2006 (EST)
	* It certainly wouldn't hurt. Personally, I think as we get to know the characters better, we'll be better off focusing on articles ''about'' the characters, rather than a strict character history (which is already getting kind of bloated and will probably need to be summarized and moved to a subpage by the end of the season.) I'd say go for it, and we can do the same for the other main characters over time. Maybe an "About" section before the "History" section would be a good way to make it consistent?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 02:16, 29 November 2006 (EST)		* It certainly wouldn't hurt. Personally, I think as we get to know the characters better, we'll be better off focusing on articles ''about'' the characters, rather than a strict character history (which is already getting kind of bloated and will probably need to be summarized and moved to a subpage by the end of the season.) I'd say go for it, and we can do the same for the other main characters over time. Maybe an "About" section before the "History" section would be a good way to make it consistent?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 02:16, 29 November 2006 (EST)

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{{archivepage}}==Relationship with Nathan==
Sorry, I'm still new around here and don't want to splash the waters until I know the system =) Should there be some sort of section describing Nathan and Peter's relationship? Specifically, that Nathan frowns upon Peter's career choice and that Nathan considering Peter the less favored son? [[User:Kail Ceannai|Kail Ceannai]] 02:10, 29 November 2006 (EST)
* It certainly wouldn't hurt. Personally, I think as we get to know the characters better, we'll be better off focusing on articles ''about'' the characters, rather than a strict character history (which is already getting kind of bloated and will probably need to be summarized and moved to a subpage by the end of the season.) I'd say go for it, and we can do the same for the other main characters over time. Maybe an "About" section before the "History" section would be a good way to make it consistent?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] [[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]] 02:16, 29 November 2006 (EST)

== Powers mimicked ==
* Let's keep an eye on the section about powers he may not have conclusively mimicked, we dont want it to become another list of Sylar's theorized powers. :) If it generates debate let's just move that part of it to [[Theories]] so we don't have to worry about it. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:44, 6 December 2006 (EST))
**So no theorizing about "What if the Haitian and Peter were in the same room together?" Aw, dang! - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 22:53, 6 December 2006 (EST)
** Yeah, I tried to keep it as confirmed as possible, and yet complete enough that it doesn't degenerate into a speculation fest. It's much easier to say "yes, we noted that, thank you" than delete the same thing a thousand times and say "that's already on the Theories page".--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] [[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]] 23:22, 6 December 2006 (EST)
** When viewing Peter stopping the tazer darts, I'm not sure it's stopping time - looks more like TK. If time were stopped, the tazer darts would not lose their inertia when time restarted, and would have continued on their way. It looks more like the same TK effect Sylar had on Mohinder's bullet. If it actually was TK and not time, there's still no conclusive evidence that Peter has mimicked Hiro's ability yet.--[[User:Joedu|Joedu]] 13:57, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
***I read somewhere Peter mimicked every Sylar's powers when he met him (last in date : [[Parasite]]. So if it's true -- I'm not sure, I personnaly believe he has to see the power to have something to remember of when he will have to use this power -- this section and many others in others page talking about peter's power is ''has-been'', no ?? -- [[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']] [[User talk:FrenchFlo|(talk)]] [[Wikipedia:Toulouse|      ]] 19:58, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
****I'm not sure he has to see the power in action -- he never saw [[Claire]] [[regenerate]] at [[Homecoming (event)|Homecoming]], his [[telepathy]] started to kick in right before [[Matt]] read Peter's mind, and it's debatable whether he used [[precognition]] before or after he witnessed an [[Isaac]] trance. I'm not sure I understand the rest of your question, but basically, we'll wait until we have confirmation of a power or absorbed power until we add it. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 21:38, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
*****In case you guys haven't seen it, read the 2nd published spoiler [http://heroeswiki.com/Spoiler:Upcoming_episodes here]. It shows that Kring and the writers confirmed Peter has all of Sylar's powers, when they meet; so as of the end of ''([[Parasite]])'', Peter has all of Sylar's goodies. (Now he needs to find out he has them, and figure them out...but with [[Intuitive aptitude]] now in there, it shouldn't take long.) --[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 03/31/2007 09:27 (EST)
*******Yeah. It's a little annoying that [http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/2007/03/blog-fan-questions-week-3.html the very next Q&A blog post] by Greg Beeman said the opposite.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] [[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]] 12:27, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

== Empathy ==
* Is it too late to suggest Peter's power be called "empathy" rather than "mimicry"? In Peter's case it seems suitable somehow. --[[User:Tocky|Tocky]] 10:03, 23 December 2006 (EST)
** It's discussed in the [[Theories]] page, but for now wall that's confirmed is that he can copy powers. Once more is known from a [[Help:Sources|canon source]], we can change it as appropriate.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] [[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]] 10:42, 23 December 2006 (EST)
***Fair enough. It's mostly just a semantic thing, anyway - I figure 'empathy' sort of conveys that the other person needs to be present, and also matches well with his character. I'm not going to argue about it, though. --[[User:Tocky|Tocky]] 10:57, 23 December 2006 (EST)

==Sickness==
Peter seems to be sick since [[Homecoming]]. Should this article mention this illness? It seems to contradict his complete healing. He would have shook off the illness when [[Claire]] visited him in the jail. --[[User:AverageMan|AverageMan]] 15:13, 29 December 2006 (EST)
* Peter's illness is addressed (briefly) in the Notes section. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 15:38, 29 December 2006 (EST)
* Peter's cough in the hospital was due to the fact he was in the hospital. He's an empath. He can absorb more than just powers. It wasn't until he began to leave the hospital with Nathan that it overwhelmed him. It was a gradual thing because he wasn't particularly close to any other patients, but being in that proximity with that many sick people took its toll on him over time. -- [[User:ZachsMind|ZachsMind]] 19:22, 23 February 2007 (EST)
** Except he was already sick when he was in jail, not the hospital. Milo V. said Peter's illness was caused by duping too many powers in rapid succession.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] [[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]] 20:04, 23 February 2007 (EST)
***Actually, he collapsed on the steps of the [[Odessa Sheriff's Department]], not the hospital. ''Then'' he was taken to the [[New York City hospital]], where he stayed for approximately two weeks. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 20:06, 23 February 2007 (EST)

==Power Retention==
Not sure if this is mentioned elsewhere, but [http://www.wizarduniverse.com/television/heroes/002880960.cfm Tim Kring made a comment] about Peter that seems to suggest that he doesn't just mimic the abilities of those he comes in contact with, but he actually gains them permanently. Apparently, this is one of the things that Claude will be doing - showing him how to access all the aquired abilities of his own will, rather than automatically. Until it comes up in the shows canon, I wouldn't go 100% on this, however, as things can and do change all the time. :) --[[User:Yoshie|Yoshie]] 09:40, 4 January 2007 (EST)
* Very nice. Once it appears in the show, it can go on the page. I think the comment was that Peter acts as a "filing cabinet" and Claude can help him access the powers that he's absorbed prior. It kind of makes him the anti-Sylar. --[[User:Orne|Orne]] 10:11, 4 January 2007 (EST)
**I think a reference to Tim Kring's comment can go on the [[Power mimicry]] page, but nothing too speculative, and nothing spoilerish. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 15:09, 4 January 2007 (EST)
***Not a bad idea! I'm most curious to know how Peter's power works, if indeed he does retail all of the abilities since we've been told that they come from genetic anomolies (thanks to Sylar). If Peter is gaining all of these abilities permanently, then his DNA (again, like Sylar) must be a mess. If that's true, then he must also have the possibility of mutating into a completely different person (if enough DNA is permanently altered). Going to need a super-shrink at this rate.. anyone seen Dr. Brink (the Super-Hero Shrink)... --[[User:Yoshie|Yoshie]] 16:40, 4 January 2007 (EST)
****At the very least, that would explain why he's so sick. For a long time, he'd only copied [[Nathan]] and [[Isaac]]. Perhaps it wasn't the number of powers he duped in a short timespan, but the overall quantity of powers he's duped. Each new evolved human he met made him a little bit sicker as his body struggled to keep up with the changes.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] [[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]] 16:48, 4 January 2007 (EST)
* [[Mohinder]]'s comments to [[Nathan]] in ''[[The Fix]]'' seem to support this. He says that Peter's DNA is reorganizing itself to mimic the original. Then again, that wouldn't necessarily mean it couldn't reorganize itself back to the former state. It would just seem biologically foolish, I guess. --[[User:ZyberGoat|ZyberGoat]] 01:35, 1 February 2007 (EST)

==The Bomb==
My wife told me that Peter was on Ellen today and said, "I am the bomb." My wife said she couldn't tell if he was kidding and she couldn't remember if he said anything else about what will happen in the show. Did anyone who saw the interview draw any conclusions?--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 15:07, 20 January 2007 (EST)
: Didn't catch the interview. Out of context, one can't be sure if he means he's really great, or if he is echoing his last line from ''Fallout'' when he says "The explosion ... it's me." It's a pretty witty comment, though. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 21:41, 19 January 2007 (EST)

== Offensive power interference ==

There might be something to this: every time but one that someone has tried to affect Peter with a power, so far, it either fails or is blocked or otherwise doesn't work:
* Seeing through Claude's invisibility
* Ninja Hiro's time stop
* The telepathy feedback event
* (possibly) defending himself against the telekinesis attacks
The only exception is Nathan's flight, so far. Maybe in general a power cancels the same power out? [[User:Webrunner|Webrunner]] 13:49, 31 January 2007 (EST)
: I think it's axiomatic that when a person possesses an ability, that person cannot be directly harmed by it. Obviously, when Hiro stops time, he himself doesn't stop (that would be weird); when Claude is invisible, he can still see himself; Ted is not harmed by the radiation he uses to destroy other things; likewise with Mrs. Gordon's fire. So when these people use these powers around Peter, it's not that they don't work--in fact they clearly do in every case--it's just that Peter has the same power, and hence the same benefit of immunity that the original power wielder has.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 14:14, 31 January 2007 (EST)

== Radius of Mimicry ==
Could this distance between Claude walking away and Peter standing still before Peter returned to visibility indicate the radius at which Peter mimics an active power? [[User:Kail Ceannai|Kail Ceannai]] 16:18, 31 January 2007 (EST)

==Photo changed==
Maybe it's just me, but I can't stand using promotional photos for character pages. Cast pages, fine, but character shots (I think) should show the character, not just the cast member dressed as the character. Anyhoo, I changed the pic of Peter to a cap from [[Nothing to Hide]]. The promo pic hardly looked like him - no bangs, even! --[[User:ZyberGoat|ZyberGoat]] 00:49, 1 February 2007 (EST)
* I agree, but if we're going to do it, we need to do all of them. Also, when we do, we need to upload them over the existing files so all the pages which use them (portals, etc.) are automatically updated.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] [[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]] 00:56, 1 February 2007 (EST)
** OK, but at least we can get a promo pic of Milo ''from'' the show. His current photo (which is named MiloVentimiglia.jpg, actually, so not even after his character following the precedent of the others) says it's from the WB, which would be from his stint on ''Gilmore Girls''. I've uploaded a new version from the ''Heroes'' promotional pics. --[[User:ZyberGoat|ZyberGoat]] 01:07, 1 February 2007 (EST)
*** Good find! Much better. The promo pic of Peter from the press kit (in the scrubs) was awful, which is why I think we switched to the GG shot to begin with.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] [[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]] 01:27, 1 February 2007 (EST)
*Actually, I quite like the promo shots for the portals and the sidebars. I think they're slick, and the actors adorn more than just the characters' clothes, they seem to take on their expressions and characteristics in the photos, for the most part. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 01:19, 1 February 2007 (EST)
** Eh, I guess I don't have too much of a problem with promo pics per se, and I guess you're right, they do look cleaner than caps. I think it was just that the Peter one '''absolutely''' did not look like him just irked me. Oh well, problem solved. --[[User:ZyberGoat|ZyberGoat]] 01:29, 1 February 2007 (EST)
*So, I forgot to ask. Can someone with admin status go ahead and axe Image:PeterPetrelli.jpg then since we don't need it? Thanks! --[[User:ZyberGoat|ZyberGoat]] 01:32, 1 February 2007 (EST)

==Hiro's power?==
What makes us completely sure that it was Hiro's power that he used, and not just telekinesis? [[User:Anomy|Anomy]] 22:54, 19 February 2007 (EST)
: When the taser prongs stopped in mid-air it was the same "bullet-time" effect used when hero uses his powers. --[[User:Fcphantom|Fcphantom]] 22:58, 19 February 2007 (EST)
: So... we are basing powers off of the way they are filmed now? [[User:Anomy|Anomy]]
: I think because they did the whole time-warp, ''Matrix''-feel in the scene that it was Hiro's slowing down of time.
: I dunno... seems silly to base powers off of just that sort of filming. [[User:Anomy|Anomy]]
::: If it were Hiro's power, the taser prongs wouldn't have dropped to the ground. He would of had to move himself or the prongs by hand. Time didn't stop, he froze them mid-shot.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 23:03, 19 February 2007 (EST)

: You can see Claude moving in the background. So either Peter can stop time with someone else (something Hiro himself has not accomplished...yet) or he used telepathy and it was just filmed slow. (On another note, Claude mentions time-travel with the list of powers Peter should have in his aresenal) [[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]]
::: To counter my own, it could be argued that Peter showed more control over the power then Hiro, and stopped just the tazer in time [[User:Anomy|Anomy]]
*Not to try to sound like a dick in continuing the arguement, but the tazer would have only floated if he stopped time. They wouldn't have dropped to the ground. :P --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 23:12, 19 February 2007 (EST)
** Just watched this again. My best guess is that he used Hiro's power to make them float (or else Mr. Bennet and the Haitian would have moved), and then TK to make them drop. --[[User:Fcphantom|Fcphantom]] 23:29, 19 February 2007 (EST)
***IAWTC. We don't have a lot to go off of -- the best clue the crew gives us is CGI, SFX, and other effects to clue us in on what's going on. I'm prone to say he used s-t manip to freeze time, and tk to drop the tasers. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 00:35, 20 February 2007 (EST)
** I too never got the impression he used Hiro's power. He made the same squinty-eyed face he made when he threw Isaac.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] [[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]] 01:14, 20 February 2007 (EST)
***Ryan's correct, When the tazer was fired at Peter, he used two abilities in tandem. 1st he used Hiro's power to freeze time, then he used Brian Davis' power (leached from Sylar) to TK the tazer's to the ground. Rewind and rewatch the scene. It isn't solely TK that stops the tasers....time itself stops, and then the tazer bullets are TKed to the ground. The credit for Hiro's T-S should be restored. --[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 02:03, 20 February 2007 (EST)
***After watching it again, it almost seems that the tazer's move with his eyes, but also, if he had just stopped the tazer's with TK, then HRG and the Haitian would have been able to run up and tackle him while he stared down the tazer's. I dunno, it almost seems like we should just wait for commentary on it, or an interview with a producer/writer before we get too comfortable with a statement. [[User:Anomy|Anomy]] 11:16, 20 February 2007 (EST)
**... When was it decided that he used Hiro's power? [[User:Anomy|Anomy]] 22:49, 20 February 2007 (EST)
***Check out one of the other discussions [[Talk:Episode:Unexpected#Peter_stopping_time|here]]. When you examine the scene it's clear that he does at least stop time. Whether telekinesis is involved subsequently is less apparent, but at the very least he does stop time in the process. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 09:31, 21 February 2007 (EST))
***I don't believe time stoppage is clear at all, and it looks more like the effect Sylar had on Mohinder's bullet. In fact, as the camera pans, some lights are blinking in the city below. It may be a localized time stop, but it's not conclusive, and the comment on Peter's page should not make it sound 100% absolute that it is.--[[User:Joedu|Joedu]] 14:48, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
****It's the sound effect that gives it away--it's the same "time-stopping FX" used every time Hiro uses his powers. Because everything else is moving, it was a localized S-TM, much like when Hiro made only the clock move backwards (''[[Genesis]]'') or just the Hope's bullet stop (''[[Unexpected]]''). Then the bullet drops, which is telekinesis. See [[Talk:Episode:Unexpected#Peter_stopping_time|here]] and [[Talk:Empathic mimicry#The time-stopping.|here]] for further discussion. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 15:01, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
*****In "Five Years Gone," F. Peter, in full control of his powers, uses Hiro's power to stop time and rescue F. Hiro and Ando. In doing so, he emulates Hiro's "squinty eyes." That's apparently a visual cue to using that particular part of Hiro's power. On the rooftop of the Deveaux building, Peter does not do this, in fact he maintains his visage, something done when using TK. To me, further proof that it was TK, and only TK, on the roof. --[[User:Joedu|Joedu]] 10:03, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
******You said it best, it's a visual cue. He now has mastery over his abilities. In ''[[Unexpected]]'', he barely knew which powers he had, much less how to use them. His abilities are reactionary in that episode until he flies. The audio effect of stopping time is used in that instance on the rooftop. In addition, the Haitian and Bennet are frozen. If it was TK, don't you think that they would have ran towards them? No, after he drops the darts, they looked stunned because all of a sudden (as if time wasn't correct), the darts were not projecting into Peter's neck, but instead lying on the floor.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 10:18, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

== Non-Mimicked Powers ==
I commented out the section about Peter's non-mimicked powers. Beside the fact that the section title is kind of odd, the whole thing is really speculation. I happen to like the list, but I'm just not sure we know enough about his mimicry to say that he has been "exposed" to these powers. I am well aware of the interviews that have stated he has these power, but as most know, that's not [[help:sources|canon]]. I reworded some stuff so it would be less speculative (more about contacting other evolved humans, and less about being exposed to powers), but I still find the whole idea to be taking a big leap of faith, albeit with sound reasoning. Like I said, I personally like the list, but I just don't know if we have enough solid info to include it yet. I don't have a better solution, though, except to wait until we find out more about [[empathic mimicry]]. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 11:43, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
:I think re-wording it to be acceptible, is the best approach, rather than removing it completely. By simply listing the powers/people Peter has come into contact with that have not been mimicked, we are not showing Speculation. If we said, "There are Peter's yet-to-be manifested powers"; then that would be speculative.
:We know 100% without conjecture, that Peter has met those listed people who have those confirmed powers, and Peter has not mimicked any of them yet. Perhaps that is how we can keep the list, and once more is revealed later, reword it then if needed. It is a good list for Peter though, to be stated. --[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/5/2007 11:49 (EST)
::Really, listing the powers he has not yet demonstrated under his [[Peter Petrelli#Powers|Powers]] section, no matter how factually the section is worded, is still speculation by association. I'm also not sure he really did come into contact with the Haitian's power, or was exposed to Eden's power. He met the people (brief as the contacts may have been), but I'm not sure he was exposed to the powers. Like I said, I personally agree with the theory that he takes on all powers he comes near, and I know the writers have basically confirmed the idea as well, but it hasn't been proven yet. I just don't think there's any harm in waiting until we get even an ounce more revealed about how Peter absorbs these powers. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 12:07, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

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