Talk:Portal:Supporting Characters/Season One - Revision history

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: moving talk to season two page

2007-09-28T01:55:59Z

moving talk to season two page

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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: moving talk to season two page

2007-09-28T01:55:59Z

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	--[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 15:05, 8 March 2007 (EST)		--[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 15:05, 8 March 2007 (EST)
	* I like the changes made. I'm especially glad to see Angela promoted. (Kring in ''Entertainment Weekly'': "[Angela Petrelli] is one of several puppet masters pulling the strings" along with Kaito Nakamura and Mr. Linderman.) <p> I agree a character's status should be based on their screen time. Some have said in the past that it should be based on their knowledge of powers, or how much "support" a character gives. That kind of distinction lends itself to a whole lotta debate and back-and-forth, and just too many problems. I say stick to screen time--there should be no debate if that guides our classifications. <p>Last thing: when promoting/demoting a character, don't forget to also promote/demote the actor. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 22:45, 10 March 2007 (EST)		* I like the changes made. I'm especially glad to see Angela promoted. (Kring in ''Entertainment Weekly'': "[Angela Petrelli] is one of several puppet masters pulling the strings" along with Kaito Nakamura and Mr. Linderman.) <p> I agree a character's status should be based on their screen time. Some have said in the past that it should be based on their knowledge of powers, or how much "support" a character gives. That kind of distinction lends itself to a whole lotta debate and back-and-forth, and just too many problems. I say stick to screen time--there should be no debate if that guides our classifications. <p>Last thing: when promoting/demoting a character, don't forget to also promote/demote the actor. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 22:45, 10 March 2007 (EST)

	== Season 2 ==

	So, for season two (so we can get this ball moving), I'm thinking we start with the following:
	* Angela
	* Sandra
	* Molly
	* Kaito (unless he actually died)
	* Kensei
	* Ricky (based on spoilers)
	* Bob (based on spoilers)

	That should start us off. --[[User:Baldbobbo\|Bob]] 05:34, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

imported>Baldbobbo: adding a toc 'cause this page is long

2007-09-27T09:35:43Z

adding a toc 'cause this page is long

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	Is Linderman a supporting character? He hasn't even appeared yet.... And if he is, then why aren't the [[waffles]]? -- [[User:Cuardin\|Cuardin]] 15:49, 29 January 2007 (EST)		{{tocright}}Is Linderman a supporting character? He hasn't even appeared yet.... And if he is, then why aren't the [[waffles]]? -- [[User:Cuardin\|Cuardin]] 15:49, 29 January 2007 (EST)
	:He has to go somewhere, and considering how connected he is to everybody, he'd look silly on Minor Characters. And he hasn't occurred, let alone recurred, so that rules out Recurring Characters.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:57, 29 January 2007 (EST)		:He has to go somewhere, and considering how connected he is to everybody, he'd look silly on Minor Characters. And he hasn't occurred, let alone recurred, so that rules out Recurring Characters.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:57, 29 January 2007 (EST)
	:: I get you point, even if the "Since he doesn't exist, he can't be a minor character, ergo he is a major character"-logic taes a while to digest :P -- [[User:Cuardin\|Cuardin]] 16:10, 29 January 2007 (EST)		:: I get you point, even if the "Since he doesn't exist, he can't be a minor character, ergo he is a major character"-logic taes a while to digest :P -- [[User:Cuardin\|Cuardin]] 16:10, 29 January 2007 (EST)

imported>Baldbobbo: Season 2

2007-09-27T09:34:56Z

Season 2

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	* I like the changes made. I'm especially glad to see Angela promoted. (Kring in ''Entertainment Weekly'': "[Angela Petrelli] is one of several puppet masters pulling the strings" along with Kaito Nakamura and Mr. Linderman.) <p> I agree a character's status should be based on their screen time. Some have said in the past that it should be based on their knowledge of powers, or how much "support" a character gives. That kind of distinction lends itself to a whole lotta debate and back-and-forth, and just too many problems. I say stick to screen time--there should be no debate if that guides our classifications. <p>Last thing: when promoting/demoting a character, don't forget to also promote/demote the actor. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 22:45, 10 March 2007 (EST)		* I like the changes made. I'm especially glad to see Angela promoted. (Kring in ''Entertainment Weekly'': "[Angela Petrelli] is one of several puppet masters pulling the strings" along with Kaito Nakamura and Mr. Linderman.) <p> I agree a character's status should be based on their screen time. Some have said in the past that it should be based on their knowledge of powers, or how much "support" a character gives. That kind of distinction lends itself to a whole lotta debate and back-and-forth, and just too many problems. I say stick to screen time--there should be no debate if that guides our classifications. <p>Last thing: when promoting/demoting a character, don't forget to also promote/demote the actor. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 22:45, 10 March 2007 (EST)

			== Season 2 ==

			So, for season two (so we can get this ball moving), I'm thinking we start with the following:
			* Angela
			* Sandra
			* Molly
			* Kaito (unless he actually died)
			* Kensei
			* Ricky (based on spoilers)
			* Bob (based on spoilers)

			That should start us off. --[[User:Baldbobbo\|Bob]] 05:34, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: Talk:Portal:Supporting Characters moved to Talk:Portal:Supporting Characters/Season One: archiving

2007-09-17T09:47:38Z

Talk:Portal:Supporting Characters moved to Talk:Portal:Supporting Characters/Season One: archiving

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imported>Signseeker: /* Sylar */

2007-08-14T00:13:17Z

Sylar

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	*** Sylar should be classified as a main character, as in an interview with [[Zachary Quinto]], he said that the character is in season 2. --[[User:Thrys chc93\|Thyrs chc93]]		*** Sylar should be classified as a main character, as in an interview with [[Zachary Quinto]], he said that the character is in season 2. --[[User:Thrys chc93\|Thyrs chc93]]
	****In Season Two, if/when Zachary Quinto is signed on as a principal actor, then Sylar will be promoted. Until then, he should stay where he is since he is still not given full billing. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:52, 20 May 2007 (EDT)		****In Season Two, if/when Zachary Quinto is signed on as a principal actor, then Sylar will be promoted. Until then, he should stay where he is since he is still not given full billing. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:52, 20 May 2007 (EDT)


			Hey did you see Claude is in The Dark Is Rising?? Look at this… http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/theseekerthedarkisrising

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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Sylar */

2007-05-20T05:52:48Z

Sylar

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	***What's interesting is that [[Tawny Cypress]] ''is'' a main character, but has appeared less than any other main character, and less than some supporting characters. [[James Kyson Lee]] is a ''supporting'' character, but has appeared in every episode so far. <small>Things that make you go "hmmm"...</small> — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:10, 19 February 2007 (EST)		***What's interesting is that [[Tawny Cypress]] ''is'' a main character, but has appeared less than any other main character, and less than some supporting characters. [[James Kyson Lee]] is a ''supporting'' character, but has appeared in every episode so far. <small>Things that make you go "hmmm"...</small> — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:10, 19 February 2007 (EST)
	*** Sylar should be classified as a main character, as in an interview with [[Zachary Quinto]], he said that the character is in season 2. --[[User:Thrys chc93\|Thyrs chc93]]		*** Sylar should be classified as a main character, as in an interview with [[Zachary Quinto]], he said that the character is in season 2. --[[User:Thrys chc93\|Thyrs chc93]]
			****In Season Two, if/when Zachary Quinto is signed on as a principal actor, then Sylar will be promoted. Until then, he should stay where he is since he is still not given full billing. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:52, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

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imported>Thrys chc93 at 20:40, 18 May 2007

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	** No. The Main characters only include those who are signed as series regulars. Zachary Quinto has not been signed as a series regular. The only series regular added is Jack Coleman as Mr. Bennet, who became a regular as of ''Six Months Ago''. This is pretty much the only category that ''isn't'' completely arbitrary.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:49, 19 February 2007 (EST)		** No. The Main characters only include those who are signed as series regulars. Zachary Quinto has not been signed as a series regular. The only series regular added is Jack Coleman as Mr. Bennet, who became a regular as of ''Six Months Ago''. This is pretty much the only category that ''isn't'' completely arbitrary.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:49, 19 February 2007 (EST)
	***What's interesting is that [[Tawny Cypress]] ''is'' a main character, but has appeared less than any other main character, and less than some supporting characters. [[James Kyson Lee]] is a ''supporting'' character, but has appeared in every episode so far. <small>Things that make you go "hmmm"...</small> — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:10, 19 February 2007 (EST)		***What's interesting is that [[Tawny Cypress]] ''is'' a main character, but has appeared less than any other main character, and less than some supporting characters. [[James Kyson Lee]] is a ''supporting'' character, but has appeared in every episode so far. <small>Things that make you go "hmmm"...</small> — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:10, 19 February 2007 (EST)
			*** Sylar should be classified as a main character, as in an interview with [[Zachary Quinto]], he said that the character is in season 2. --[[User:Thrys chc93\|Thyrs chc93]]

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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Classifying characters as of the 2nd hiatus */

2007-03-11T03:45:00Z

Classifying characters as of the 2nd hiatus

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	--[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 15:05, 8 March 2007 (EST)		--[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 15:05, 8 March 2007 (EST)
			* I like the changes made. I'm especially glad to see Angela promoted. (Kring in ''Entertainment Weekly'': "[Angela Petrelli] is one of several puppet masters pulling the strings" along with Kaito Nakamura and Mr. Linderman.) <p> I agree a character's status should be based on their screen time. Some have said in the past that it should be based on their knowledge of powers, or how much "support" a character gives. That kind of distinction lends itself to a whole lotta debate and back-and-forth, and just too many problems. I say stick to screen time--there should be no debate if that guides our classifications. <p>Last thing: when promoting/demoting a character, don't forget to also promote/demote the actor. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 22:45, 10 March 2007 (EST)

imported>Mercury McKinnon: /* Classifying characters as of the 2nd hiatus */ tweaks

2007-03-08T20:12:56Z

Classifying characters as of the 2nd hiatus: tweaks

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	==Classifying characters as of the 2nd hiatus==		==Classifying characters as of the 2nd hiatus==
	I think now's a good ~~time~~ to reassess character classifications as to Supporting, Recurring and Minor. I am ~~reviewing~~ characters from the standpoint of significance / how central they are to the story. To put it another way, if a new viewer wanted to get up to speed on ''Heroes'', which characters would the viewer have to be familiar with to appreciate the story.		I think now's a good point to reassess character classifications as to Supporting, Recurring and Minor. As I see it, characters should be reviewed from the standpoint of significance / how central they are to the story. To put it another way, if a new viewer wanted to get up to speed on ''Heroes'', which characters would the viewer have to be familiar with to appreciate the story.

	As I've said before, I believe "Supporting Characters" should be those that closely support the Main/Principal Characters, from their being frequently-appearing foils or confidants. These are characters that a (casual) viewer would most have to know about after the leads. Sandra Bennet and Angela Petrelli I feel have been shown to be more significant characters in the story, and that viewers should know them to a good extent. I have upgraded them to Supporting.		As I've said before, I believe '''"Supporting Characters"''' should be those that closely support the Main/Principal Characters, from their being frequently-appearing foils or confidants. These are characters that a (casual) viewer would most have to know about after the leads. Sandra Bennet and Angela Petrelli I feel have been shown to be more significant characters in the story, and that viewers should know them to a good extent. I have upgraded them to Supporting.

	"Recurring Characters" are those that have appeared more than once. However, they could be distinguished from Supporting Characters by their lesser significance. A viewer would probably only need to have some idea of who a recurring character is (or what they did) in order to appreciate the story (for example, that Hiro loved a waitress; the Sureshes were helped by a spirit guide; Claire has a brother) but need not know these characters in more depth (the viewer could possibly not even have to know the character's name). In the case of Thompson and Candace, I have admittedly speculated that they will be significant, but again from the standpoint of a viewer just tuning in to the show after the 2nd hiatus, I feel that these 2 are characters that they will need to know about. ~~The~~ Heroes Wiki should probably ~~then~~ highlight these characters over...		'''"Recurring Characters"''' are those that have appeared more than once. However, they could be distinguished from Supporting Characters by their lesser significance. A viewer would probably only need to have some idea of who a recurring character is (or more precisely what they did) in order to appreciate the story -- (for example, that Hiro loved a waitress; the Sureshes were helped by a spirit guide; Claire has a brother) but need not know these characters in more depth (the viewer could possibly not even have to know the character's name). In the case of Thompson and Candace, I have admittedly speculated that they will play a significant role, but again from the standpoint of a viewer just tuning in to the show after the 2nd hiatus, I feel that these 2 are characters that they will need to know about to follow the story when it resumes. Accordingly, the Heroes Wiki should probably highlight these characters over...

		⚫	'''"Minor Characters"''', I think, are those characters that a casual viewer could not know about but still not miss out on the story. Sakamoto and FBI Agent Thayer I think are, at this point, not as essential to the plot as other characters that have recurred. I have moved them from Recurring to Minor.

⚫	"Minor Characters", I think, are those characters that a casual viewer could not know about but still not miss out on the story. Sakamoto and FBI Agent Thayer I think are, at this point, not as essential to the plot as other characters that have recurred. I have moved them from Recurring to Minor.
	--[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 15:05, 8 March 2007 (EST)		--[[User:Mercury McKinnon\|Mercury McKinnon]] 15:05, 8 March 2007 (EST)

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	Is Linderman a supporting character? He hasn't even appeared yet.... And if he is, then why aren't the [[waffles]]? -- [[User:Cuardin\|Cuardin]] 15:49, 29 January 2007 (EST)		{{tocright}}Is Linderman a supporting character? He hasn't even appeared yet.... And if he is, then why aren't the [[waffles]]? -- [[User:Cuardin\|Cuardin]] 15:49, 29 January 2007 (EST)
	:He has to go somewhere, and considering how connected he is to everybody, he'd look silly on Minor Characters. And he hasn't occurred, let alone recurred, so that rules out Recurring Characters.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:57, 29 January 2007 (EST)		:He has to go somewhere, and considering how connected he is to everybody, he'd look silly on Minor Characters. And he hasn't occurred, let alone recurred, so that rules out Recurring Characters.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:57, 29 January 2007 (EST)
	:: I get you point, even if the "Since he doesn't exist, he can't be a minor character, ergo he is a major character"-logic taes a while to digest :P -- [[User:Cuardin\|Cuardin]] 16:10, 29 January 2007 (EST)		:: I get you point, even if the "Since he doesn't exist, he can't be a minor character, ergo he is a major character"-logic taes a while to digest :P -- [[User:Cuardin\|Cuardin]] 16:10, 29 January 2007 (EST)