Talk:Psycho - Revision history

imported>Radicell at 15:00, 17 March 2010

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	== Why? ==		== Why? ==
	I just happened upon this article and I am intrigued why we cannot make an article to ''Lost'', a show with clear references in ''Heroes'', (such as [[Gannon Car Rentals]], Nathan's quote about being dumped on an island, the episodes [[Collision]], [[Homecoming]], the character [[Claire]], and [[Greg Grunberg]], [[Ronald Guttman]], [[Jesse Alexander]], and [[Jeph Loeb]]), whereas there is an article for a reference that is barely even there? The main point, about the hotel signs, isn't even true as the two don't look alike, and comparing [[Sylar]], a man desperate for power, to Bates, a man with a split personality, is a stretch. -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 21:04, 6 January 2009 (EST)		I just happened upon this article and I am intrigued why we cannot make an article to ''Lost'', a show with clear references in ''Heroes'', (such as [[Gannon Car Rentals]], Nathan's quote about being dumped on an island, the episodes [[Collision]], [[Episode:Homecoming\|Homecoming]], the character [[Claire]], and [[Greg Grunberg]], [[Ronald Guttman]], [[Jesse Alexander]], and [[Jeph Loeb]]), whereas there is an article for a reference that is barely even there? The main point, about the hotel signs, isn't even true as the two don't look alike, and comparing [[Sylar]], a man desperate for power, to Bates, a man with a split personality, is a stretch. -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 21:04, 6 January 2009 (EST)
	* Gannon is a stock name used by shows other than just ''Lost''--kind of like the 555 prefix for phone numbers. Nathan's quote about people being put on an island for testing was confirmed to be a reference to ''[[X-Men]]'' (see [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=10265 here] and [[Unexpected#Trivia\|here]]). The names of the episodes and overlapping characters are not references from one show to another, but just happy coincidences. As far as I know, ''Lost'' has never been referenced by ''Heroes'', or vice versa. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:50, 6 January 2009 (EST)		* Gannon is a stock name used by shows other than just ''Lost''--kind of like the 555 prefix for phone numbers. Nathan's quote about people being put on an island for testing was confirmed to be a reference to ''[[X-Men]]'' (see [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=10265 here] and [[Unexpected#Trivia\|here]]). The names of the episodes and overlapping characters are not references from one show to another, but just happy coincidences. As far as I know, ''Lost'' has never been referenced by ''Heroes'', or vice versa. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:50, 6 January 2009 (EST)
	**Touche. Oh, and I left out [[Zeljko Ivanek]]. But why keep this article? -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 23:01, 6 January 2009 (EST)		**Touche. Oh, and I left out [[Zeljko Ivanek]]. But why keep this article? -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 23:01, 6 January 2009 (EST)

imported>Tristan0709: /* Why? */

2009-04-21T07:47:54Z

Why?

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	* Gannon is a stock name used by shows other than just ''Lost''--kind of like the 555 prefix for phone numbers. Nathan's quote about people being put on an island for testing was confirmed to be a reference to ''[[X-Men]]'' (see [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=10265 here] and [[Unexpected#Trivia\|here]]). The names of the episodes and overlapping characters are not references from one show to another, but just happy coincidences. As far as I know, ''Lost'' has never been referenced by ''Heroes'', or vice versa. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:50, 6 January 2009 (EST)		* Gannon is a stock name used by shows other than just ''Lost''--kind of like the 555 prefix for phone numbers. Nathan's quote about people being put on an island for testing was confirmed to be a reference to ''[[X-Men]]'' (see [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=10265 here] and [[Unexpected#Trivia\|here]]). The names of the episodes and overlapping characters are not references from one show to another, but just happy coincidences. As far as I know, ''Lost'' has never been referenced by ''Heroes'', or vice versa. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:50, 6 January 2009 (EST)
	**Touche. Oh, and I left out [[Zeljko Ivanek]]. But why keep this article? -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 23:01, 6 January 2009 (EST)		**Touche. Oh, and I left out [[Zeljko Ivanek]]. But why keep this article? -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 23:01, 6 January 2009 (EST)
			**Huh. As of [[3x24]], I stand corrected. -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 03:47, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: Talk:Psycho (film) moved to Talk:Psycho over redirect: all links point to the movie, and there is no reason to have a parenthetical title for an article which is the only one of its kind; links should only point to disambig pages if there are no a

2009-04-06T03:41:28Z

Talk:Psycho (film) moved to Talk:Psycho over redirect: all links point to the movie, and there is no reason to have a parenthetical title for an article which is the only one of its kind; links should only point to disambig pages if there are no a

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imported>Tristan0709: Talk:Psycho moved to Talk:Psycho (film): psycho should redirect to psycho (disambig)

2009-04-06T03:26:18Z

Talk:Psycho moved to Talk:Psycho (film): psycho should redirect to psycho (disambig)

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imported>Tristan0709 at 04:01, 7 January 2009

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	I just happened upon this article and I am intrigued why we cannot make an article to ''Lost'', a show with clear references in ''Heroes'', (such as [[Gannon Car Rentals]], Nathan's quote about being dumped on an island, the episodes [[Collision]], [[Homecoming]], the character [[Claire]], and [[Greg Grunberg]], [[Ronald Guttman]], [[Jesse Alexander]], and [[Jeph Loeb]]), whereas there is an article for a reference that is barely even there? The main point, about the hotel signs, isn't even true as the two don't look alike, and comparing [[Sylar]], a man desperate for power, to Bates, a man with a split personality, is a stretch. -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 21:04, 6 January 2009 (EST)		I just happened upon this article and I am intrigued why we cannot make an article to ''Lost'', a show with clear references in ''Heroes'', (such as [[Gannon Car Rentals]], Nathan's quote about being dumped on an island, the episodes [[Collision]], [[Homecoming]], the character [[Claire]], and [[Greg Grunberg]], [[Ronald Guttman]], [[Jesse Alexander]], and [[Jeph Loeb]]), whereas there is an article for a reference that is barely even there? The main point, about the hotel signs, isn't even true as the two don't look alike, and comparing [[Sylar]], a man desperate for power, to Bates, a man with a split personality, is a stretch. -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 21:04, 6 January 2009 (EST)
	* Gannon is a stock name used by shows other than just ''Lost''--kind of like the 555 prefix for phone numbers. Nathan's quote about people being put on an island for testing was confirmed to be a reference to ''[[X-Men]]'' (see [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=10265 here] and [[Unexpected#Trivia\|here]]). The names of the episodes and overlapping characters are not references from one show to another, but just happy coincidences. As far as I know, ''Lost'' has never been referenced by ''Heroes'', or vice versa. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:50, 6 January 2009 (EST)		* Gannon is a stock name used by shows other than just ''Lost''--kind of like the 555 prefix for phone numbers. Nathan's quote about people being put on an island for testing was confirmed to be a reference to ''[[X-Men]]'' (see [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=10265 here] and [[Unexpected#Trivia\|here]]). The names of the episodes and overlapping characters are not references from one show to another, but just happy coincidences. As far as I know, ''Lost'' has never been referenced by ''Heroes'', or vice versa. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:50, 6 January 2009 (EST)
			**Touche. Oh, and I left out [[Zeljko Ivanek]]. But why keep this article? -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 23:01, 6 January 2009 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Why? */

2009-01-07T03:50:55Z

Why?

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	== Why? ==		== Why? ==
	I just happened upon this article and I am intrigued why we cannot make an article to ''Lost'', a show with clear references in ''Heroes'', (such as [[Gannon Car Rentals]], Nathan's quote about being dumped on an island, the episodes [[Collision]], [[Homecoming]], the character [[Claire]], and [[Greg Grunberg]], [[Ronald Guttman]], [[Jesse Alexander]], and [[Jeph Loeb]]), whereas there is an article for a reference that is barely even there? The main point, about the hotel signs, isn't even true as the two don't look alike, and comparing [[Sylar]], a man desperate for power, to Bates, a man with a split personality, is a stretch. -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 21:04, 6 January 2009 (EST)		I just happened upon this article and I am intrigued why we cannot make an article to ''Lost'', a show with clear references in ''Heroes'', (such as [[Gannon Car Rentals]], Nathan's quote about being dumped on an island, the episodes [[Collision]], [[Homecoming]], the character [[Claire]], and [[Greg Grunberg]], [[Ronald Guttman]], [[Jesse Alexander]], and [[Jeph Loeb]]), whereas there is an article for a reference that is barely even there? The main point, about the hotel signs, isn't even true as the two don't look alike, and comparing [[Sylar]], a man desperate for power, to Bates, a man with a split personality, is a stretch. -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 21:04, 6 January 2009 (EST)
			* Gannon is a stock name used by shows other than just ''Lost''--kind of like the 555 prefix for phone numbers. Nathan's quote about people being put on an island for testing was confirmed to be a reference to ''[[X-Men]]'' (see [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=10265 here] and [[Unexpected#Trivia\|here]]). The names of the episodes and overlapping characters are not references from one show to another, but just happy coincidences. As far as I know, ''Lost'' has never been referenced by ''Heroes'', or vice versa. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:50, 6 January 2009 (EST)

imported>Tristan0709 at 02:04, 7 January 2009

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	I'm sorry that I can't provide the exact info, but I remember in one of the very first episodes there is a point when Nikki has an envelope with the video tape in it. There are a few shots that mimic shots from "Psycho," in the episode there is a cop or someone looking through her window and then there is a shot from the point of view of the envelope on the car seat next to her. In "Psycho," the same thing happens when Marion is driving out of town with the envelope of stolen money, with a shot from the point of view of the envelope. This fits if you think about how, for both characters, the envelopes contain something extremely dangerous. Nikki and Marion as well both have to deal with stealing money. Also, Nikki and Norman Bates have some parallels, with the whole split personality and murdering things. It might seem like reading too far into things, but "Psycho" is an extremely famous and influential movie. [[User:Hardcorevelour\|Hardcorevelour]] 01:21, 8 June 2008 (EDT)		I'm sorry that I can't provide the exact info, but I remember in one of the very first episodes there is a point when Nikki has an envelope with the video tape in it. There are a few shots that mimic shots from "Psycho," in the episode there is a cop or someone looking through her window and then there is a shot from the point of view of the envelope on the car seat next to her. In "Psycho," the same thing happens when Marion is driving out of town with the envelope of stolen money, with a shot from the point of view of the envelope. This fits if you think about how, for both characters, the envelopes contain something extremely dangerous. Nikki and Marion as well both have to deal with stealing money. Also, Nikki and Norman Bates have some parallels, with the whole split personality and murdering things. It might seem like reading too far into things, but "Psycho" is an extremely famous and influential movie. [[User:Hardcorevelour\|Hardcorevelour]] 01:21, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
	* This brings up a good point of the difference between a reference to another work, and being influenced by another work. Cinematographer [[Nate Goodman]] [[Interview:Nate Goodman\|talks a lot]] about different films and filmmakers who influenced him, especially Kurosawa and others. But the scenes in question are not necessarily ''references'' to Kurosawa or his movies. Similarly, ''Psycho'' (and certainly Hitchcock) have definitely influenced scenes in ''Heroes'', like the one described above, or read [[Cesar Lemus]]'s comments on [[:Image:Storyboard Claire and Debbie 6.jpg\|this]] [[storyboard]]...But I don't think that an ''influence'' should necessarily merit an article as a ''reference'' to another another work. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:06, 8 June 2008 (EDT)		* This brings up a good point of the difference between a reference to another work, and being influenced by another work. Cinematographer [[Nate Goodman]] [[Interview:Nate Goodman\|talks a lot]] about different films and filmmakers who influenced him, especially Kurosawa and others. But the scenes in question are not necessarily ''references'' to Kurosawa or his movies. Similarly, ''Psycho'' (and certainly Hitchcock) have definitely influenced scenes in ''Heroes'', like the one described above, or read [[Cesar Lemus]]'s comments on [[:Image:Storyboard Claire and Debbie 6.jpg\|this]] [[storyboard]]...But I don't think that an ''influence'' should necessarily merit an article as a ''reference'' to another another work. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:06, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

			== Why? ==
			I just happened upon this article and I am intrigued why we cannot make an article to ''Lost'', a show with clear references in ''Heroes'', (such as [[Gannon Car Rentals]], Nathan's quote about being dumped on an island, the episodes [[Collision]], [[Homecoming]], the character [[Claire]], and [[Greg Grunberg]], [[Ronald Guttman]], [[Jesse Alexander]], and [[Jeph Loeb]]), whereas there is an article for a reference that is barely even there? The main point, about the hotel signs, isn't even true as the two don't look alike, and comparing [[Sylar]], a man desperate for power, to Bates, a man with a split personality, is a stretch. -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 21:04, 6 January 2009 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Other homages */

2008-06-08T15:06:33Z

Other homages

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	Warning: Psycho Spoilers (just in case)		Warning: Psycho Spoilers (just in case)
	I'm sorry that I can't provide the exact info, but I remember in one of the very first episodes there is a point when Nikki has an envelope with the video tape in it. There are a few shots that mimic shots from "Psycho," in the episode there is a cop or someone looking through her window and then there is a shot from the point of view of the envelope on the car seat next to her. In "Psycho," the same thing happens when Marion is driving out of town with the envelope of stolen money, with a shot from the point of view of the envelope. This fits if you think about how, for both characters, the envelopes contain something extremely dangerous. Nikki and Marion as well both have to deal with stealing money. Also, Nikki and Norman Bates have some parallels, with the whole split personality and murdering things. It might seem like reading too far into things, but "Psycho" is an extremely famous and influential movie. [[User:Hardcorevelour\|Hardcorevelour]] 01:21, 8 June 2008 (EDT)		I'm sorry that I can't provide the exact info, but I remember in one of the very first episodes there is a point when Nikki has an envelope with the video tape in it. There are a few shots that mimic shots from "Psycho," in the episode there is a cop or someone looking through her window and then there is a shot from the point of view of the envelope on the car seat next to her. In "Psycho," the same thing happens when Marion is driving out of town with the envelope of stolen money, with a shot from the point of view of the envelope. This fits if you think about how, for both characters, the envelopes contain something extremely dangerous. Nikki and Marion as well both have to deal with stealing money. Also, Nikki and Norman Bates have some parallels, with the whole split personality and murdering things. It might seem like reading too far into things, but "Psycho" is an extremely famous and influential movie. [[User:Hardcorevelour\|Hardcorevelour]] 01:21, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
			* This brings up a good point of the difference between a reference to another work, and being influenced by another work. Cinematographer [[Nate Goodman]] [[Interview:Nate Goodman\|talks a lot]] about different films and filmmakers who influenced him, especially Kurosawa and others. But the scenes in question are not necessarily ''references'' to Kurosawa or his movies. Similarly, ''Psycho'' (and certainly Hitchcock) have definitely influenced scenes in ''Heroes'', like the one described above, or read [[Cesar Lemus]]'s comments on [[:Image:Storyboard Claire and Debbie 6.jpg\|this]] [[storyboard]]...But I don't think that an ''influence'' should necessarily merit an article as a ''reference'' to another another work. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:06, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

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	** I vote to keep it because we just watched it for Film Study and it is very very similar to Unexpected. There are many things referenced in HEroes, and I think Psycho is a big one that we should keep. [[User:Jason Garrick\|Jason Garrick]] 16:09, 21 May 2007 (EDT)		** I vote to keep it because we just watched it for Film Study and it is very very similar to Unexpected. There are many things referenced in HEroes, and I think Psycho is a big one that we should keep. [[User:Jason Garrick\|Jason Garrick]] 16:09, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
	* I removed the afd tag with the intention of rephrasing to ensure it's not an intentional reference, but rather an interpretative reference from viewers. I don't think a theories cat is necessary, but that can be further argued.--[[User:Baldbobbo\|Bob]] 08:50, 31 May 2007 (EDT)		* I removed the afd tag with the intention of rephrasing to ensure it's not an intentional reference, but rather an interpretative reference from viewers. I don't think a theories cat is necessary, but that can be further argued.--[[User:Baldbobbo\|Bob]] 08:50, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

			== Other homages ==

			Warning: Psycho Spoilers (just in case)
			I'm sorry that I can't provide the exact info, but I remember in one of the very first episodes there is a point when Nikki has an envelope with the video tape in it. There are a few shots that mimic shots from "Psycho," in the episode there is a cop or someone looking through her window and then there is a shot from the point of view of the envelope on the car seat next to her. In "Psycho," the same thing happens when Marion is driving out of town with the envelope of stolen money, with a shot from the point of view of the envelope. This fits if you think about how, for both characters, the envelopes contain something extremely dangerous. Nikki and Marion as well both have to deal with stealing money. Also, Nikki and Norman Bates have some parallels, with the whole split personality and murdering things. It might seem like reading too far into things, but "Psycho" is an extremely famous and influential movie. [[User:Hardcorevelour\|Hardcorevelour]] 01:21, 8 June 2008 (EDT)