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	*Quite so, though he seemed to regard Lydia's death as a neccessary evil (in a twisted sense) to get his family on side, much like blackmailing Edgar. I think you're right to a certain degree about the rest- he almost certainly deliberately sent Eli to his death against both Peter and Sylar, after all. To be fair, he's been saying all season that they needed to stop wandering and settle down somewhere, but his family does seem to have become the tools of his revenge at the moment. I do agree that he's lost it (seriously Samuel, you're going to make Claire watch her own father die?) but his rapid descent into madness isn't as off-putting as it would be with someone else (at least for me), because Samuel has always struck me as very intense and emotionally unstable, right from the start. Examples of this are plentiful- he sinks the police station into the earth after Jeremy's death, even though he didn't know Jeremy and he'd only lost a potential recruit. He thought Joseph was deliberately manipulating and lying to him to keep his powers from getting stronger, so he kills him in a fit of rage. The crux of this, obviously, is Vanessa and the resulting mass-murder of innocent people. So I would still argue that Samuel is not truly evil, but certainly misguided and emotionally shattered, and ''certainly'' a threat that must be dealt with. [[User:Swmystery\|Swm]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)		*Quite so, though he seemed to regard Lydia's death as a neccessary evil (in a twisted sense) to get his family on side, much like blackmailing Edgar. I think you're right to a certain degree about the rest- he almost certainly deliberately sent Eli to his death against both Peter and Sylar, after all. To be fair, he's been saying all season that they needed to stop wandering and settle down somewhere, but his family does seem to have become the tools of his revenge at the moment. I do agree that he's lost it (seriously Samuel, you're going to make Claire watch her own father die?) but his rapid descent into madness isn't as off-putting as it would be with someone else (at least for me), because Samuel has always struck me as very intense and emotionally unstable, right from the start. Examples of this are plentiful- he sinks the police station into the earth after Jeremy's death, even though he didn't know Jeremy and he'd only lost a potential recruit. He thought Joseph was deliberately manipulating and lying to him to keep his powers from getting stronger, so he kills him in a fit of rage. The crux of this, obviously, is Vanessa and the resulting mass-murder of innocent people. So I would still argue that Samuel is not truly evil, but certainly misguided and emotionally shattered, and ''certainly'' a threat that must be dealt with. [[User:Swmystery\|Swm]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)

	While it is true that he has ~~demonstrated~~ ~~emotional~~ ~~instability~~ by the way he went overboard by destroying a small town after Vanessa rejected him, that he killed his brother Joseph in a fit of rage (~~which~~ Samuels anger is understandable since his brother had betrayed him and was going to give him over to the government despite the fact that Samuel had done nothing wrong, so put yourself in his shoes, of course he was upset. Was he right to kill Joseph? No, and he deeply regretted it. But it is understandable that he was very upset because he trusted Joseph. Yes, he also went overboard ~~though~~ that he made a house fall through a sinkhole because they wouldn't let him inside (though in fairness, he did that because he felt like they were looking down on him and shunning him, but still it was an overboard reaction that showed how he operated on runaway emotions sometimes), the destruction of the police station is a different matter, and about Samuel's philosophy and inner feelings instead. It didn't matter that he didn't personally know Jeremy and he didn't do it because he'd lost a potential recruit. He destroyed that police station because he was angry about what they did to Jeremy who was one of Samuel's own kind. Samuel hated how the world in which he lived shunned and rejected evolved humans and treated them like they were sub-human. For Samuel, Jeremy's death hit hard, because it was deeply upsetting that they'd hurt and killed yet another person who was like him. He felt the same way about those hick cops like he did about Noah Bennett, the Company, and Danko. They persecuted people like him just because they were different, and that's really what Samuel's agenda started out as. He was sick and tired of living in a cruel world where they were discriminated against and persecuted. By the end of the show, he loses sight of things though, and his descent into "villainy" in those last few episodes was ~~a bit~~ too rapid, but I guess that's because the show was ending. I don't think they should have made Samuel a villain at all. He was a misunderstood person who was right about certain things (like how evolved humans should stand up against being oppressed, and how they shouldn't just resign themselves to a life as nomads in a carnival anymore), and he had good intentions. But then he lost it at the end when he started harming his own people and wanting to cause mass destruction. [[User:Heroesreborn\|Heroesreborn]], 18:59, 15 September 2015		While it is true that he has shown that he lets emotions get the better of him by the way he went overboard by destroying a small town after Vanessa rejected him, that he killed his brother Joseph in a fit of rage (though Samuels anger is understandable since his brother had betrayed him and was going to give him over to the government despite the fact that Samuel had done nothing wrong, so put yourself in his shoes, of course he was upset. Was he right to kill Joseph? No, and he deeply regretted it. But it is understandable that he was very upset because he trusted Joseph) Yes, he also went overboard that he made a house fall through a sinkhole because they wouldn't let him inside (though in fairness, he did that because he felt like they were looking down on him and shunning him, but still it was an overboard reaction that showed how he operated on runaway emotions sometimes), the destruction of the police station is a different matter, and about Samuel's philosophy and inner feelings instead. It didn't matter that he didn't personally know Jeremy and he didn't do it because he'd lost a potential recruit. He destroyed that police station because he was angry about what they did to Jeremy who was one of Samuel's own kind. Samuel hated how the world in which he lived shunned and rejected evolved humans and treated them like they were sub-human freaks. For Samuel, Jeremy's death hit hard, because it was deeply upsetting that they'd hurt and killed yet another person who was like him. He felt the same way about those hick cops like he did about Noah Bennett, the Company, and Danko. They persecuted people like him just because they were different, and that's really what Samuel's agenda started out as. He was sick and tired of living in a cruel world where they were discriminated against and persecuted. By the end of the show, he loses sight of things though, and his descent into "villainy" in those last few episodes was way too rapid, but I guess that's because the show was ending. I don't think they should have made Samuel a villain at all. He was a misunderstood person who was right about certain things (like how evolved humans should stand up against being oppressed, and how they shouldn't just resign themselves to a life as nomads in a carnival anymore), and he had good intentions. But then he lost it at the end when he started harming his own people and wanting to cause mass destruction. [[User:Heroesreborn\|Heroesreborn]], 18:59, 15 September 2015

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	*Quite so, though he seemed to regard Lydia's death as a neccessary evil (in a twisted sense) to get his family on side, much like blackmailing Edgar. I think you're right to a certain degree about the rest- he almost certainly deliberately sent Eli to his death against both Peter and Sylar, after all. To be fair, he's been saying all season that they needed to stop wandering and settle down somewhere, but his family does seem to have become the tools of his revenge at the moment. I do agree that he's lost it (seriously Samuel, you're going to make Claire watch her own father die?) but his rapid descent into madness isn't as off-putting as it would be with someone else (at least for me), because Samuel has always struck me as very intense and emotionally unstable, right from the start. Examples of this are plentiful- he sinks the police station into the earth after Jeremy's death, even though he didn't know Jeremy and he'd only lost a potential recruit. He thought Joseph was deliberately manipulating and lying to him to keep his powers from getting stronger, so he kills him in a fit of rage. The crux of this, obviously, is Vanessa and the resulting mass-murder of innocent people. So I would still argue that Samuel is not truly evil, but certainly misguided and emotionally shattered, and ''certainly'' a threat that must be dealt with. [[User:Swmystery\|Swm]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)		*Quite so, though he seemed to regard Lydia's death as a neccessary evil (in a twisted sense) to get his family on side, much like blackmailing Edgar. I think you're right to a certain degree about the rest- he almost certainly deliberately sent Eli to his death against both Peter and Sylar, after all. To be fair, he's been saying all season that they needed to stop wandering and settle down somewhere, but his family does seem to have become the tools of his revenge at the moment. I do agree that he's lost it (seriously Samuel, you're going to make Claire watch her own father die?) but his rapid descent into madness isn't as off-putting as it would be with someone else (at least for me), because Samuel has always struck me as very intense and emotionally unstable, right from the start. Examples of this are plentiful- he sinks the police station into the earth after Jeremy's death, even though he didn't know Jeremy and he'd only lost a potential recruit. He thought Joseph was deliberately manipulating and lying to him to keep his powers from getting stronger, so he kills him in a fit of rage. The crux of this, obviously, is Vanessa and the resulting mass-murder of innocent people. So I would still argue that Samuel is not truly evil, but certainly misguided and emotionally shattered, and ''certainly'' a threat that must be dealt with. [[User:Swmystery\|Swm]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)

	While it is true that he has demonstrated emotional instability by the way he went overboard by destroying a small town after Vanessa rejected him, that he killed his brother Joseph in a fit of rage (which he ~~later~~ deeply regretted), ~~and~~ that he made a house fall through a sinkhole because they wouldn't let him inside (though in fairness, he did that because he felt like they were looking down on him and shunning him, but still it was an overboard reaction that showed how he operated on runaway emotions sometimes), the destruction of the police station is a different matter, and about Samuel's philosophy and inner feelings instead. It didn't matter that he didn't personally know Jeremy and he didn't do it because he'd lost a potential recruit. He destroyed that police station because he was angry about what they did to Jeremy who was one of Samuel's own kind. Samuel hated how the world in which he lived shunned and rejected evolved humans and treated them like they were sub-human. For Samuel, Jeremy's death hit hard, because it was deeply upsetting that they'd hurt and killed yet another person who was like him. He felt the same way about those hick cops like he did about Noah Bennett, the Company, and Danko. They persecuted people like him just because they were different, and that's really what Samuel's agenda started out as. He was sick and tired of living in a cruel world where they were discriminated against and persecuted. By the end of the show, he loses sight of things though, and his descent into "villainy" in those last few episodes was a bit too rapid, but I guess that's because the show was ending. I don't think they should have made Samuel a villain at all. He was a misunderstood person who was right about certain things (like how evolved humans should stand up against being oppressed, and how they shouldn't just resign themselves to a life as nomads in a carnival anymore), and he had good intentions. But then he lost it at the end when he started harming his own people and wanting to cause mass destruction. [[User:Heroesreborn\|Heroesreborn]], 18:59, 15 September 2015		While it is true that he has demonstrated emotional instability by the way he went overboard by destroying a small town after Vanessa rejected him, that he killed his brother Joseph in a fit of rage (which Samuels anger is understandable since his brother had betrayed him and was going to give him over to the government despite the fact that Samuel had done nothing wrong, so put yourself in his shoes, of course he was upset. Was he right to kill Joseph? No, and he deeply regretted it. But it is understandable that he was very upset because he trusted Joseph. Yes, he also went overboard though that he made a house fall through a sinkhole because they wouldn't let him inside (though in fairness, he did that because he felt like they were looking down on him and shunning him, but still it was an overboard reaction that showed how he operated on runaway emotions sometimes), the destruction of the police station is a different matter, and about Samuel's philosophy and inner feelings instead. It didn't matter that he didn't personally know Jeremy and he didn't do it because he'd lost a potential recruit. He destroyed that police station because he was angry about what they did to Jeremy who was one of Samuel's own kind. Samuel hated how the world in which he lived shunned and rejected evolved humans and treated them like they were sub-human. For Samuel, Jeremy's death hit hard, because it was deeply upsetting that they'd hurt and killed yet another person who was like him. He felt the same way about those hick cops like he did about Noah Bennett, the Company, and Danko. They persecuted people like him just because they were different, and that's really what Samuel's agenda started out as. He was sick and tired of living in a cruel world where they were discriminated against and persecuted. By the end of the show, he loses sight of things though, and his descent into "villainy" in those last few episodes was a bit too rapid, but I guess that's because the show was ending. I don't think they should have made Samuel a villain at all. He was a misunderstood person who was right about certain things (like how evolved humans should stand up against being oppressed, and how they shouldn't just resign themselves to a life as nomads in a carnival anymore), and he had good intentions. But then he lost it at the end when he started harming his own people and wanting to cause mass destruction. [[User:Heroesreborn\|Heroesreborn]], 18:59, 15 September 2015

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	*Quite so, though he seemed to regard Lydia's death as a neccessary evil (in a twisted sense) to get his family on side, much like blackmailing Edgar. I think you're right to a certain degree about the rest- he almost certainly deliberately sent Eli to his death against both Peter and Sylar, after all. To be fair, he's been saying all season that they needed to stop wandering and settle down somewhere, but his family does seem to have become the tools of his revenge at the moment. I do agree that he's lost it (seriously Samuel, you're going to make Claire watch her own father die?) but his rapid descent into madness isn't as off-putting as it would be with someone else (at least for me), because Samuel has always struck me as very intense and emotionally unstable, right from the start. Examples of this are plentiful- he sinks the police station into the earth after Jeremy's death, even though he didn't know Jeremy and he'd only lost a potential recruit. He thought Joseph was deliberately manipulating and lying to him to keep his powers from getting stronger, so he kills him in a fit of rage. The crux of this, obviously, is Vanessa and the resulting mass-murder of innocent people. So I would still argue that Samuel is not truly evil, but certainly misguided and emotionally shattered, and ''certainly'' a threat that must be dealt with. [[User:Swmystery\|Swm]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)		*Quite so, though he seemed to regard Lydia's death as a neccessary evil (in a twisted sense) to get his family on side, much like blackmailing Edgar. I think you're right to a certain degree about the rest- he almost certainly deliberately sent Eli to his death against both Peter and Sylar, after all. To be fair, he's been saying all season that they needed to stop wandering and settle down somewhere, but his family does seem to have become the tools of his revenge at the moment. I do agree that he's lost it (seriously Samuel, you're going to make Claire watch her own father die?) but his rapid descent into madness isn't as off-putting as it would be with someone else (at least for me), because Samuel has always struck me as very intense and emotionally unstable, right from the start. Examples of this are plentiful- he sinks the police station into the earth after Jeremy's death, even though he didn't know Jeremy and he'd only lost a potential recruit. He thought Joseph was deliberately manipulating and lying to him to keep his powers from getting stronger, so he kills him in a fit of rage. The crux of this, obviously, is Vanessa and the resulting mass-murder of innocent people. So I would still argue that Samuel is not truly evil, but certainly misguided and emotionally shattered, and ''certainly'' a threat that must be dealt with. [[User:Swmystery\|Swm]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)

	While it is true that he has demonstrated emotional instability by the way he went overboard by destroying a small town after Vanessa rejected him, that he killed his brother Joseph in a fit of rage (which he later deeply regretted), and that he made a house fall through a sinkhole because they wouldn't let him inside (though in fairness, he did that because he felt like they were looking down on him and shunning him, but still it was an overboard reaction that showed how he operated on runaway emotions sometimes), the destruction of the police station is a different matter, and about Samuel's philosophy and inner feelings instead. It didn't matter that he didn't personally know Jeremy and he didn't do it because he'd lost a potential recruit. He destroyed that police station because he was angry about what they did to Jeremy who was one of Samuel's own kind. Samuel hated how the world in which he lived shunned and rejected evolved humans and treated them like they were sub-human. For Samuel, Jeremy's death hit hard, because it was deeply upsetting that they'd hurt and killed yet another person who was like him. He felt the same way about those hick cops like he did about Noah Bennett, the Company, and Danko. They persecuted people like him just because they were different, and that's really what Samuel's agenda started out as. He was sick and tired of living in a cruel world where they were discriminated against and persecuted. By the end of the show, he loses sight of things though, and his descent into "villainy" in those last few episodes was a bit too rapid, but I guess that's because the show was ending. I don't think they should have made Samuel a villain at all. He was a misunderstood person who was right about certain things, and had good intentions. But then he lost it at the end when he started harming his own people and wanting to cause mass destruction. [[User:Heroesreborn\|Heroesreborn]], 18:59, 15 September 2015		While it is true that he has demonstrated emotional instability by the way he went overboard by destroying a small town after Vanessa rejected him, that he killed his brother Joseph in a fit of rage (which he later deeply regretted), and that he made a house fall through a sinkhole because they wouldn't let him inside (though in fairness, he did that because he felt like they were looking down on him and shunning him, but still it was an overboard reaction that showed how he operated on runaway emotions sometimes), the destruction of the police station is a different matter, and about Samuel's philosophy and inner feelings instead. It didn't matter that he didn't personally know Jeremy and he didn't do it because he'd lost a potential recruit. He destroyed that police station because he was angry about what they did to Jeremy who was one of Samuel's own kind. Samuel hated how the world in which he lived shunned and rejected evolved humans and treated them like they were sub-human. For Samuel, Jeremy's death hit hard, because it was deeply upsetting that they'd hurt and killed yet another person who was like him. He felt the same way about those hick cops like he did about Noah Bennett, the Company, and Danko. They persecuted people like him just because they were different, and that's really what Samuel's agenda started out as. He was sick and tired of living in a cruel world where they were discriminated against and persecuted. By the end of the show, he loses sight of things though, and his descent into "villainy" in those last few episodes was a bit too rapid, but I guess that's because the show was ending. I don't think they should have made Samuel a villain at all. He was a misunderstood person who was right about certain things (like how evolved humans should stand up against being oppressed, and how they shouldn't just resign themselves to a life as nomads in a carnival anymore), and he had good intentions. But then he lost it at the end when he started harming his own people and wanting to cause mass destruction. [[User:Heroesreborn\|Heroesreborn]], 18:59, 15 September 2015

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	*Quite so, though he seemed to regard Lydia's death as a neccessary evil (in a twisted sense) to get his family on side, much like blackmailing Edgar. I think you're right to a certain degree about the rest- he almost certainly deliberately sent Eli to his death against both Peter and Sylar, after all. To be fair, he's been saying all season that they needed to stop wandering and settle down somewhere, but his family does seem to have become the tools of his revenge at the moment. I do agree that he's lost it (seriously Samuel, you're going to make Claire watch her own father die?) but his rapid descent into madness isn't as off-putting as it would be with someone else (at least for me), because Samuel has always struck me as very intense and emotionally unstable, right from the start. Examples of this are plentiful- he sinks the police station into the earth after Jeremy's death, even though he didn't know Jeremy and he'd only lost a potential recruit. He thought Joseph was deliberately manipulating and lying to him to keep his powers from getting stronger, so he kills him in a fit of rage. The crux of this, obviously, is Vanessa and the resulting mass-murder of innocent people. So I would still argue that Samuel is not truly evil, but certainly misguided and emotionally shattered, and ''certainly'' a threat that must be dealt with. [[User:Swmystery\|Swm]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)		*Quite so, though he seemed to regard Lydia's death as a neccessary evil (in a twisted sense) to get his family on side, much like blackmailing Edgar. I think you're right to a certain degree about the rest- he almost certainly deliberately sent Eli to his death against both Peter and Sylar, after all. To be fair, he's been saying all season that they needed to stop wandering and settle down somewhere, but his family does seem to have become the tools of his revenge at the moment. I do agree that he's lost it (seriously Samuel, you're going to make Claire watch her own father die?) but his rapid descent into madness isn't as off-putting as it would be with someone else (at least for me), because Samuel has always struck me as very intense and emotionally unstable, right from the start. Examples of this are plentiful- he sinks the police station into the earth after Jeremy's death, even though he didn't know Jeremy and he'd only lost a potential recruit. He thought Joseph was deliberately manipulating and lying to him to keep his powers from getting stronger, so he kills him in a fit of rage. The crux of this, obviously, is Vanessa and the resulting mass-murder of innocent people. So I would still argue that Samuel is not truly evil, but certainly misguided and emotionally shattered, and ''certainly'' a threat that must be dealt with. [[User:Swmystery\|Swm]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)

	While it is true that he has demonstrated emotional instability by the way he went overboard by destroying a small town after Vanessa rejected him, that he killed his brother Joseph in a fit of rage (which he later deeply regretted), and that he made a house fall through a sinkhole because they wouldn't let him inside (though in fairness, he did that because he felt like they were looking down on him and shunning him, but still it was an overboard reaction that showed how he operated on runaway emotions sometimes), the destruction of the police station is a different matter, and about Samuel's philosophy and inner feelings instead. It didn't matter that he didn't personally know Jeremy and he didn't do it because he'd lost a potential recruit. He destroyed that police station because he was angry about what they did to Jeremy who was one of Samuel's own kind. Samuel hated how the world in which he lived shunned and rejected evolved humans and treated them like they were sub-human. For Samuel, Jeremy's death hit hard, because it was deeply upsetting that they'd hurt and killed yet another person who was like him. He felt the same way about those hick cops like he did about Noah Bennett, the Company, and Danko. They persecuted people like him just because they were different, and that's really what Samuel's agenda started out as. He was sick and tired of living in a cruel world where they were discriminated against and persecuted. By the end of the show, he loses sight of things though, and his descent into "villainy" in those last few episodes was a bit too rapid, but I guess that's because the show was ending. I don't think they should have made Samuel a villain at all. He was a misunderstood person who was right about certain things, and had good intentions. But then he lost it at the end when he started harming his own people and wanting to cause mass destruction.		While it is true that he has demonstrated emotional instability by the way he went overboard by destroying a small town after Vanessa rejected him, that he killed his brother Joseph in a fit of rage (which he later deeply regretted), and that he made a house fall through a sinkhole because they wouldn't let him inside (though in fairness, he did that because he felt like they were looking down on him and shunning him, but still it was an overboard reaction that showed how he operated on runaway emotions sometimes), the destruction of the police station is a different matter, and about Samuel's philosophy and inner feelings instead. It didn't matter that he didn't personally know Jeremy and he didn't do it because he'd lost a potential recruit. He destroyed that police station because he was angry about what they did to Jeremy who was one of Samuel's own kind. Samuel hated how the world in which he lived shunned and rejected evolved humans and treated them like they were sub-human. For Samuel, Jeremy's death hit hard, because it was deeply upsetting that they'd hurt and killed yet another person who was like him. He felt the same way about those hick cops like he did about Noah Bennett, the Company, and Danko. They persecuted people like him just because they were different, and that's really what Samuel's agenda started out as. He was sick and tired of living in a cruel world where they were discriminated against and persecuted. By the end of the show, he loses sight of things though, and his descent into "villainy" in those last few episodes was a bit too rapid, but I guess that's because the show was ending. I don't think they should have made Samuel a villain at all. He was a misunderstood person who was right about certain things, and had good intentions. But then he lost it at the end when he started harming his own people and wanting to cause mass destruction. [[User:Heroesreborn\|Heroesreborn]], 18:59, 15 September 2015

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	*Quite so, though he seemed to regard Lydia's death as a neccessary evil (in a twisted sense) to get his family on side, much like blackmailing Edgar. I think you're right to a certain degree about the rest- he almost certainly deliberately sent Eli to his death against both Peter and Sylar, after all. To be fair, he's been saying all season that they needed to stop wandering and settle down somewhere, but his family does seem to have become the tools of his revenge at the moment. I do agree that he's lost it (seriously Samuel, you're going to make Claire watch her own father die?) but his rapid descent into madness isn't as off-putting as it would be with someone else (at least for me), because Samuel has always struck me as very intense and emotionally unstable, right from the start. Examples of this are plentiful- he sinks the police station into the earth after Jeremy's death, even though he didn't know Jeremy and he'd only lost a potential recruit. He thought Joseph was deliberately manipulating and lying to him to keep his powers from getting stronger, so he kills him in a fit of rage. The crux of this, obviously, is Vanessa and the resulting mass-murder of innocent people. So I would still argue that Samuel is not truly evil, but certainly misguided and emotionally shattered, and ''certainly'' a threat that must be dealt with. [[User:Swmystery\|Swm]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)		*Quite so, though he seemed to regard Lydia's death as a neccessary evil (in a twisted sense) to get his family on side, much like blackmailing Edgar. I think you're right to a certain degree about the rest- he almost certainly deliberately sent Eli to his death against both Peter and Sylar, after all. To be fair, he's been saying all season that they needed to stop wandering and settle down somewhere, but his family does seem to have become the tools of his revenge at the moment. I do agree that he's lost it (seriously Samuel, you're going to make Claire watch her own father die?) but his rapid descent into madness isn't as off-putting as it would be with someone else (at least for me), because Samuel has always struck me as very intense and emotionally unstable, right from the start. Examples of this are plentiful- he sinks the police station into the earth after Jeremy's death, even though he didn't know Jeremy and he'd only lost a potential recruit. He thought Joseph was deliberately manipulating and lying to him to keep his powers from getting stronger, so he kills him in a fit of rage. The crux of this, obviously, is Vanessa and the resulting mass-murder of innocent people. So I would still argue that Samuel is not truly evil, but certainly misguided and emotionally shattered, and ''certainly'' a threat that must be dealt with. [[User:Swmystery\|Swm]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)

	While it is true that he has demonstrated emotional instability by the way he went overboard by destroying a small town after Vanessa rejected him ~~and~~ that he killed his brother Joseph in a fit of rage (which he later deeply regretted), the destruction of the police station is a different matter, and about Samuel's philosophy and feelings instead. It didn't matter that he didn't personally know Jeremy and he didn't do it because he'd lost a potential recruit. He destroyed that police station because he was angry about what they did to Jeremy who was one of Samuel's own kind. Samuel hated how the world in which he lived shunned and rejected evolved humans and treated them like they were sub-human. For Samuel, Jeremy's death hit hard, because it was deeply upsetting that they'd hurt and killed yet another person who was like him. He felt the same way about those hick cops like he did about Noah Bennett, the Company, and Danko. They persecuted people like him just because they were different, and that's really what Samuel's agenda started out as. He was sick and tired of living in a cruel world where they were discriminated against and persecuted. By the end of the show, he loses sight of things though, and his descent into "villainy" in those last few episodes was a bit too rapid, but I guess that's because the show was ending. I don't think they should have made Samuel a villain at all. He was ~~very~~ right about ~~some~~ things, ~~but~~ then he lost it at ~~that~~ end.		While it is true that he has demonstrated emotional instability by the way he went overboard by destroying a small town after Vanessa rejected him, that he killed his brother Joseph in a fit of rage (which he later deeply regretted), and that he made a house fall through a sinkhole because they wouldn't let him inside (though in fairness, he did that because he felt like they were looking down on him and shunning him, but still it was an overboard reaction that showed how he operated on runaway emotions sometimes), the destruction of the police station is a different matter, and about Samuel's philosophy and inner feelings instead. It didn't matter that he didn't personally know Jeremy and he didn't do it because he'd lost a potential recruit. He destroyed that police station because he was angry about what they did to Jeremy who was one of Samuel's own kind. Samuel hated how the world in which he lived shunned and rejected evolved humans and treated them like they were sub-human. For Samuel, Jeremy's death hit hard, because it was deeply upsetting that they'd hurt and killed yet another person who was like him. He felt the same way about those hick cops like he did about Noah Bennett, the Company, and Danko. They persecuted people like him just because they were different, and that's really what Samuel's agenda started out as. He was sick and tired of living in a cruel world where they were discriminated against and persecuted. By the end of the show, he loses sight of things though, and his descent into "villainy" in those last few episodes was a bit too rapid, but I guess that's because the show was ending. I don't think they should have made Samuel a villain at all. He was a misunderstood person who was right about certain things, and had good intentions. But then he lost it at the end when he started harming his own people and wanting to cause mass destruction.

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	He has resorted to murdering members of the Carnival without the remorse he felt by killing Joseph and even speaks derisively of a lifestyle he once embraced. He no longer cares if members of his own family dies. Burying Noah is understandable, he is or was a bigoted murderer. But he has attacked Lydia, Tracy and even tried to destroy Sylar who he attempted to recruit. No, he has lost the plot. And he is right about being shunned and rejected, but he no longer even respects his own kind. He has become Adam Monroe without the RCR. --[[User:Blood69]] 07:14, 3 February 2010 (AEST)		He has resorted to murdering members of the Carnival without the remorse he felt by killing Joseph and even speaks derisively of a lifestyle he once embraced. He no longer cares if members of his own family dies. Burying Noah is understandable, he is or was a bigoted murderer. But he has attacked Lydia, Tracy and even tried to destroy Sylar who he attempted to recruit. No, he has lost the plot. And he is right about being shunned and rejected, but he no longer even respects his own kind. He has become Adam Monroe without the RCR. --[[User:Blood69]] 07:14, 3 February 2010 (AEST)
	*Quite so, though he seemed to regard Lydia's death as a neccessary evil (in a twisted sense) to get his family on side, much like blackmailing Edgar. I think you're right to a certain degree about the rest- he almost certainly deliberately sent Eli to his death against both Peter and Sylar, after all. To be fair, he's been saying all season that they needed to stop wandering and settle down somewhere, but his family does seem to have become the tools of his revenge at the moment. I do agree that he's lost it (seriously Samuel, you're going to make Claire watch her own father die?) but his rapid descent into madness isn't as off-putting as it would be with someone else (at least for me), because Samuel has always struck me as very intense and emotionally unstable, right from the start. Examples of this are plentiful- he sinks the police station into the earth after Jeremy's death, even though he didn't know Jeremy and he'd only lost a potential recruit. He thought Joseph was deliberately manipulating and lying to him to keep his powers from getting stronger, so he kills him in a fit of rage. The crux of this, obviously, is Vanessa and the resulting mass-murder of innocent people. So I would still argue that Samuel is not truly evil, but certainly misguided and emotionally shattered, and ''certainly'' a threat that must be dealt with. [[User:Swmystery\|Swm]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)		*Quite so, though he seemed to regard Lydia's death as a neccessary evil (in a twisted sense) to get his family on side, much like blackmailing Edgar. I think you're right to a certain degree about the rest- he almost certainly deliberately sent Eli to his death against both Peter and Sylar, after all. To be fair, he's been saying all season that they needed to stop wandering and settle down somewhere, but his family does seem to have become the tools of his revenge at the moment. I do agree that he's lost it (seriously Samuel, you're going to make Claire watch her own father die?) but his rapid descent into madness isn't as off-putting as it would be with someone else (at least for me), because Samuel has always struck me as very intense and emotionally unstable, right from the start. Examples of this are plentiful- he sinks the police station into the earth after Jeremy's death, even though he didn't know Jeremy and he'd only lost a potential recruit. He thought Joseph was deliberately manipulating and lying to him to keep his powers from getting stronger, so he kills him in a fit of rage. The crux of this, obviously, is Vanessa and the resulting mass-murder of innocent people. So I would still argue that Samuel is not truly evil, but certainly misguided and emotionally shattered, and ''certainly'' a threat that must be dealt with. [[User:Swmystery\|Swm]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)

			While it is true that he has demonstrated emotional instability by the way he went overboard by destroying a small town after Vanessa rejected him and that he killed his brother Joseph in a fit of rage (which he later deeply regretted), the destruction of the police station is a different matter, and about Samuel's philosophy and feelings instead. It didn't matter that he didn't personally know Jeremy and he didn't do it because he'd lost a potential recruit. He destroyed that police station because he was angry about what they did to Jeremy who was one of Samuel's own kind. Samuel hated how the world in which he lived shunned and rejected evolved humans and treated them like they were sub-human. For Samuel, Jeremy's death hit hard, because it was deeply upsetting that they'd hurt and killed yet another person who was like him. He felt the same way about those hick cops like he did about Noah Bennett, the Company, and Danko. They persecuted people like him just because they were different, and that's really what Samuel's agenda started out as. He was sick and tired of living in a cruel world where they were discriminated against and persecuted. By the end of the show, he loses sight of things though, and his descent into "villainy" in those last few episodes was a bit too rapid, but I guess that's because the show was ending. I don't think they should have made Samuel a villain at all. He was very right about some things, but then he lost it at that end.

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	******It'd be more appropriate if shaving wasn't such an average thing to do. If every antagonist had a haircut done by a spider monkey during the eclipse, that'd be something to note.--[[User:PJDEP\|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP\|Need further explanation?]] 12:35, 7 February 2010 (EST)		******It'd be more appropriate if shaving wasn't such an average thing to do. If every antagonist had a haircut done by a spider monkey during the eclipse, that'd be something to note.--[[User:PJDEP\|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP\|Need further explanation?]] 12:35, 7 February 2010 (EST)
	*******True. However, I'm not sure we've seen anyone else shave in the entire show, which does make it at least somewhat notable. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 13:29, 7 February 2010 (EST)		*******True. However, I'm not sure we've seen anyone else shave in the entire show, which does make it at least somewhat notable. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi\|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi\|c]]) 13:29, 7 February 2010 (EST)
			********Eden shaves Isaac in Seven Minutes to Midnight. --{{User:Boycool42/sig1}} 07:36, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

	== Lose all power? ==		== Lose all power? ==

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	******Yeah, I really don't know how the CIA would hold Samuel.--[[User:Boycool42\|Boycool42]] 17:37, 1 March 2010 (EST)		******Yeah, I really don't know how the CIA would hold Samuel.--[[User:Boycool42\|Boycool42]] 17:37, 1 March 2010 (EST)
	*******They'll constantly fly him around in a plane at 20,000 feet.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 17:43, 1 March 2010 (EST)		*******They'll constantly fly him around in a plane at 20,000 feet.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 17:43, 1 March 2010 (EST)
	********If ~~this were~~ this were 1947-2008 America, I would think they would just <small> make him ''disappear''... but with the new administration....</small>--[[User:Boycool42\|Boycool42]] 16:20, 7 March 2010 (EST)		********If this were 1947-2008 America, I would think they would just <small> make him ''disappear''... but with the new administration....</small>--[[User:Boycool42\|Boycool42]] 16:20, 7 March 2010 (EST)

	== BNW ==		== BNW ==

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	**I find it unlikely that Lauren, someone with a maximum of two years in the CIA, has enough power to make the government deny something like that.--[[User:Boycool42\|Boycool42]] 16:34, 7 March 2010 (EST)		**I find it unlikely that Lauren, someone with a maximum of two years in the CIA, has enough power to make the government deny something like that.--[[User:Boycool42\|Boycool42]] 16:34, 7 March 2010 (EST)
	***But Noah has connections to the President. He has power. --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 16:37, 7 March 2010 (EST)		***But Noah has connections to the President. He has power. --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 16:37, 7 March 2010 (EST)
			****Ah, that's true.--[[User:Boycool42\|Boycool42]] 16:41, 7 March 2010 (EST)

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	**I find it unlikely that Lauren, someone with a maximum of two years in the CIA, has enough power to make the government deny something like that.--[[User:Boycool42\|Boycool42]] 16:34, 7 March 2010 (EST)		**I find it unlikely that Lauren, someone with a maximum of two years in the CIA, has enough power to make the government deny something like that.--[[User:Boycool42\|Boycool42]] 16:34, 7 March 2010 (EST)
	***But Noah has connections to the President. He has power. --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 16:37, 7 March 2010 (EST)		***But Noah has connections to the President. He has power. --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 16:37, 7 March 2010 (EST)
			****Ah, that's true.--[[User:Boycool42\|Boycool42]] 16:41, 7 March 2010 (EST)