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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Known ability: None */

2008-10-18T05:18:00Z

Known ability: None

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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Known ability: None */

2008-10-18T05:18:00Z

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	* ''"We avoid speculation on the wiki, so we still say that they have no known powers...and since they're not confirmed to be evolved humans, they are placed in [[:Category:Humans]]. We don't want to imply anything about a character's status with one or two words."''. I understand what you are saying but, at the same time, the ''wording'' of "none" is speculation and implying something. By saying that a Known Power is none, there is a sense that the show, or the writers, or whomever, has definitively stated or made it apparent that their powers are none. The wording implies that the character is completely human with no speculation that they MAY have powers. I think in order to avoid confusion, it should maybe be avoided altogether or come up with some type of word that leaves it open that while it is heavily implied that they are human/evolved, there isn't enough evidence to say otherwise. --[[User:Halfxwitted\|Halfxwitted]] 01:01, 18 October 2008 (EDT)		* ''"We avoid speculation on the wiki, so we still say that they have no known powers...and since they're not confirmed to be evolved humans, they are placed in [[:Category:Humans]]. We don't want to imply anything about a character's status with one or two words."''. I understand what you are saying but, at the same time, the ''wording'' of "none" is speculation and implying something. By saying that a Known Power is none, there is a sense that the show, or the writers, or whomever, has definitively stated or made it apparent that their powers are none. The wording implies that the character is completely human with no speculation that they MAY have powers. I think in order to avoid confusion, it should maybe be avoided altogether or come up with some type of word that leaves it open that while it is heavily implied that they are human/evolved, there isn't enough evidence to say otherwise. --[[User:Halfxwitted\|Halfxwitted]] 01:01, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
	** If they have no known ability, saying "Known ability: none" doesn't speculate or insinuate anything. We use that same wording for any character that doesn't have a revealed power, whether it's [[Kaito Nakamura]], [[Sandra Bennet]], or [[~~Doctor~~ Witherson]]. We don't want to leave anything open if there is no opening there. If they don't have a power that we know of, we don't want to assume that they do. Saying they have no known power works for you and me, works for [[Ando]] and [[Lyle]], works for [[Charles Deveaux]] and [[Shanti]], works for [[Adam Soo Hoo]] and [[Carlos Mendez]]. They're human until proven evolved human. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:15, 18 October 2008 (EDT)		** If they have no known ability, saying "Known ability: none" doesn't speculate or insinuate anything. We use that same wording for any character that doesn't have a revealed power, whether it's [[Kaito Nakamura]], [[Sandra Bennet]], or [[Dr. Witherson]]. We don't want to leave anything open if there is no opening there. If they don't have a power that we know of, we don't want to assume that they do. Saying they have no known power works for you and me, works for [[Ando]] and [[Lyle]], works for [[Charles Deveaux]] and [[Shanti]], works for [[Adam Soo Hoo]] and [[Carlos Mendez]]. They're human until proven evolved human. Check out [[#Shanti ≠ evolved human\|the discussion above]]. We're not making a true-or-false pronouncement on whether or not a character has powers, we're merely separating those humans who have displayed a power from those who haven't. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:15, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Known ability: None */

2008-10-18T05:15:41Z

Known ability: None

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	* ''"We avoid speculation on the wiki, so we still say that they have no known powers...and since they're not confirmed to be evolved humans, they are placed in [[:Category:Humans]]. We don't want to imply anything about a character's status with one or two words."''. I understand what you are saying but, at the same time, the ''wording'' of "none" is speculation and implying something. By saying that a Known Power is none, there is a sense that the show, or the writers, or whomever, has definitively stated or made it apparent that their powers are none. The wording implies that the character is completely human with no speculation that they MAY have powers. I think in order to avoid confusion, it should maybe be avoided altogether or come up with some type of word that leaves it open that while it is heavily implied that they are human/evolved, there isn't enough evidence to say otherwise. --[[User:Halfxwitted\|Halfxwitted]] 01:01, 18 October 2008 (EDT)		* ''"We avoid speculation on the wiki, so we still say that they have no known powers...and since they're not confirmed to be evolved humans, they are placed in [[:Category:Humans]]. We don't want to imply anything about a character's status with one or two words."''. I understand what you are saying but, at the same time, the ''wording'' of "none" is speculation and implying something. By saying that a Known Power is none, there is a sense that the show, or the writers, or whomever, has definitively stated or made it apparent that their powers are none. The wording implies that the character is completely human with no speculation that they MAY have powers. I think in order to avoid confusion, it should maybe be avoided altogether or come up with some type of word that leaves it open that while it is heavily implied that they are human/evolved, there isn't enough evidence to say otherwise. --[[User:Halfxwitted\|Halfxwitted]] 01:01, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
			** If they have no known ability, saying "Known ability: none" doesn't speculate or insinuate anything. We use that same wording for any character that doesn't have a revealed power, whether it's [[Kaito Nakamura]], [[Sandra Bennet]], or [[Doctor Witherson]]. We don't want to leave anything open if there is no opening there. If they don't have a power that we know of, we don't want to assume that they do. Saying they have no known power works for you and me, works for [[Ando]] and [[Lyle]], works for [[Charles Deveaux]] and [[Shanti]], works for [[Adam Soo Hoo]] and [[Carlos Mendez]]. They're human until proven evolved human. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:15, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

imported>Halfxwitted: /* Known ability: None */

2008-10-18T05:01:41Z

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	--[[User:Halfxwitted\|Halfxwitted]] 22:59, 17 October 2008 (EDT)		--[[User:Halfxwitted\|Halfxwitted]] 22:59, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
	* If a character is confirmed to be an evolved human (like [[Paula Gramble]], who is on [[Chandra's list]] of evolved humans) then the infobox gets entered as <code>Known ability: Unknown</code>, but the text on the page reads "Known ability: None"--that's because they have no known ability...yet the character is placed in [[:Category:Evolved Humans]]. On the other hand, there are people who are implied to be evolved humans, but their status has never been confirmed. Shanti falls under this category, as does Kaito Nakamura, Charles Deveaux, and Arthur Petrelli. We avoid speculation on the wiki, so we still say that they have no known powers...and since they're not confirmed to be evolved humans, they are placed in [[:Category:Humans]]. We don't want to imply anything about a character's status with one or two words. We let their history speak for itself. For instance, Linderman told Nathan that Arthur is a man of "great power"--that can mean a lot of things. We leave it as it is and let people draw their own conclusions rather than implying anything in the infobox. If there is "slight evidence", and it's not really evidence at all, we let the "slight evidence" speak for itself. But there are only two designations for a known ability: either "none" or the name of the ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:37, 18 October 2008 (EDT)		* If a character is confirmed to be an evolved human (like [[Paula Gramble]], who is on [[Chandra's list]] of evolved humans) then the infobox gets entered as <code>Known ability: Unknown</code>, but the text on the page reads "Known ability: None"--that's because they have no known ability...yet the character is placed in [[:Category:Evolved Humans]]. On the other hand, there are people who are implied to be evolved humans, but their status has never been confirmed. Shanti falls under this category, as does Kaito Nakamura, Charles Deveaux, and Arthur Petrelli. We avoid speculation on the wiki, so we still say that they have no known powers...and since they're not confirmed to be evolved humans, they are placed in [[:Category:Humans]]. We don't want to imply anything about a character's status with one or two words. We let their history speak for itself. For instance, Linderman told Nathan that Arthur is a man of "great power"--that can mean a lot of things. We leave it as it is and let people draw their own conclusions rather than implying anything in the infobox. If there is "slight evidence", and it's not really evidence at all, we let the "slight evidence" speak for itself. But there are only two designations for a known ability: either "none" or the name of the ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:37, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

			* ''"We avoid speculation on the wiki, so we still say that they have no known powers...and since they're not confirmed to be evolved humans, they are placed in [[:Category:Humans]]. We don't want to imply anything about a character's status with one or two words."''. I understand what you are saying but, at the same time, the ''wording'' of "none" is speculation and implying something. By saying that a Known Power is none, there is a sense that the show, or the writers, or whomever, has definitively stated or made it apparent that their powers are none. The wording implies that the character is completely human with no speculation that they MAY have powers. I think in order to avoid confusion, it should maybe be avoided altogether or come up with some type of word that leaves it open that while it is heavily implied that they are human/evolved, there isn't enough evidence to say otherwise. --[[User:Halfxwitted\|Halfxwitted]] 01:01, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Known ability: None */

2008-10-18T04:37:57Z

Known ability: None

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	I don't know if any of the following suggestions would solve the issue, but I think the issue is worth debating. Known ability: 'unascertained', 'not specified', or 'not enough information currently available'		I don't know if any of the following suggestions would solve the issue, but I think the issue is worth debating. Known ability: 'unascertained', 'not specified', or 'not enough information currently available'
	--[[User:Halfxwitted\|Halfxwitted]] 22:59, 17 October 2008 (EDT)		--[[User:Halfxwitted\|Halfxwitted]] 22:59, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
			* If a character is confirmed to be an evolved human (like [[Paula Gramble]], who is on [[Chandra's list]] of evolved humans) then the infobox gets entered as <code>Known ability: Unknown</code>, but the text on the page reads "Known ability: None"--that's because they have no known ability...yet the character is placed in [[:Category:Evolved Humans]]. On the other hand, there are people who are implied to be evolved humans, but their status has never been confirmed. Shanti falls under this category, as does Kaito Nakamura, Charles Deveaux, and Arthur Petrelli. We avoid speculation on the wiki, so we still say that they have no known powers...and since they're not confirmed to be evolved humans, they are placed in [[:Category:Humans]]. We don't want to imply anything about a character's status with one or two words. We let their history speak for itself. For instance, Linderman told Nathan that Arthur is a man of "great power"--that can mean a lot of things. We leave it as it is and let people draw their own conclusions rather than implying anything in the infobox. If there is "slight evidence", and it's not really evidence at all, we let the "slight evidence" speak for itself. But there are only two designations for a known ability: either "none" or the name of the ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:37, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

imported>Halfxwitted: /* Known ability: None */

2008-10-18T03:05:52Z

Known ability: None

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	== Known ability: None ==		== Known ability: None ==

	I have been noticing on a few Heroes pages that there is a small blurb underneath the characters photo that says "Known ability: None" when it has not been established that the character has a power or not. I ~~cannot~~ ~~remember where else I saw~~ this, ~~but~~ ~~this isn't the only example of~~ it. I also don't know exactly where to post this, but this seems like a decent place to start.		I have been noticing on a few Heroes pages that there is a small blurb underneath the characters photo that says "Known ability: None" when it has not been established that the character has a power or not. Another example of this is Charles Deveaux. I also don't know exactly where to post this, but this seems like a decent place to start.

	By saying "Known ability: None" it is '''heavily''' implied that the character is '''KNOWN''' to have no abilities at all.		By saying "Known ability: None" it is '''heavily''' implied that the character is '''KNOWN''' to have no abilities at all.

imported>Halfxwitted: /* Known ability: None */ new section

2008-10-18T02:59:02Z

Known ability: None: new section

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	* In this case, we may be jumping the gun on her date of death, though. The exact quote from ''[[The Hard Part]]'' is, in reference to the virus, "there's been one other case: an Indian girl, 1974." That means she got sick in 1974; it doesn't necessarily mean she died in 1974 (although the Haitian and Molly both seem to have gotten sick very rapidly, the virus seems pretty mutable). Since we don't have a confirmed age for Mohinder, or a confirmed birth order, it's possible she was still alive in 1977 after all.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:50, 2 December 2007 (EST)		* In this case, we may be jumping the gun on her date of death, though. The exact quote from ''[[The Hard Part]]'' is, in reference to the virus, "there's been one other case: an Indian girl, 1974." That means she got sick in 1974; it doesn't necessarily mean she died in 1974 (although the Haitian and Molly both seem to have gotten sick very rapidly, the virus seems pretty mutable). Since we don't have a confirmed age for Mohinder, or a confirmed birth order, it's possible she was still alive in 1977 after all.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:50, 2 December 2007 (EST)
	**That makes sense to me. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:15, 2 December 2007 (EST)		**That makes sense to me. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:15, 2 December 2007 (EST)

			== Known ability: None ==

			I have been noticing on a few Heroes pages that there is a small blurb underneath the characters photo that says "Known ability: None" when it has not been established that the character has a power or not. I cannot remember where else I saw this, but this isn't the only example of it. I also don't know exactly where to post this, but this seems like a decent place to start.

			By saying "Known ability: None" it is '''heavily''' implied that the character is '''KNOWN''' to have no abilities at all.

			However, on the other hand, "Known ability: Unknown" ''might'' imply that the character has an ability but it is not known.

			I think there needs to be a medium for when there is slight evidence, insinuation or debate if a character is not completely known to be human or evolved.

			I don't know if any of the following suggestions would solve the issue, but I think the issue is worth debating. Known ability: 'unascertained', 'not specified', or 'not enough information currently available'
			--[[User:Halfxwitted\|Halfxwitted]] 22:59, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

imported>Referos: /* First appearance */

2008-08-02T17:37:29Z

First appearance

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	Characters that don't actually appear should not be listed under "debut". A picture is neither an appearance nor a debut. Shanti has only been mentioned, even though there's a picture of her. The same goes for [[Takezo Kensai]] who is oft-mentioned, and was shown in more than one picture, but never "appeared". These characters should also not be listed in the [[list of character appearances by episode]]. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:40, 8 May 2007 (EDT)		Characters that don't actually appear should not be listed under "debut". A picture is neither an appearance nor a debut. Shanti has only been mentioned, even though there's a picture of her. The same goes for [[Takezo Kensai]] who is oft-mentioned, and was shown in more than one picture, but never "appeared". These characters should also not be listed in the [[list of character appearances by episode]]. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:40, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
	* Despite [[Takezo Kensai] being one of the main characters for the story arc of Heroes? [[User:Rybo5000\|Rybo5000]]		* Despite [[Takezo Kensai]] being one of the main characters for the story arc of Heroes? [[User:Rybo5000\|Rybo5000]]
			** He wasn't a main character one and a half year ago. Look at the date from Ryan's comment.--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 13:37, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

	== Mohinder seeing Shanti ==		== Mohinder seeing Shanti ==

imported>Rybo5000: /* First appearance */

2008-08-02T17:32:44Z

First appearance

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	Characters that don't actually appear should not be listed under "debut". A picture is neither an appearance nor a debut. Shanti has only been mentioned, even though there's a picture of her. The same goes for [[Takezo Kensai]] who is oft-mentioned, and was shown in more than one picture, but never "appeared". These characters should also not be listed in the [[list of character appearances by episode]]. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:40, 8 May 2007 (EDT)		Characters that don't actually appear should not be listed under "debut". A picture is neither an appearance nor a debut. Shanti has only been mentioned, even though there's a picture of her. The same goes for [[Takezo Kensai]] who is oft-mentioned, and was shown in more than one picture, but never "appeared". These characters should also not be listed in the [[list of character appearances by episode]]. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:40, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
			* Despite [[Takezo Kensai] being one of the main characters for the story arc of Heroes? [[User:Rybo5000\|Rybo5000]]

	== Mohinder seeing Shanti ==		== Mohinder seeing Shanti ==

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Date of Death */

2007-12-02T23:15:09Z

Date of Death

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	* Shanti's story seems as confused as Claire's age. Not only did they harvest a virus from her three years after she died, but she died both before Mohinder was born and when he was two.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:44, 2 December 2007 (EST)		* Shanti's story seems as confused as Claire's age. Not only did they harvest a virus from her three years after she died, but she died both before Mohinder was born and when he was two.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:44, 2 December 2007 (EST)
	* In this case, we may be jumping the gun on her date of death, though. The exact quote from ''[[The Hard Part]]'' is, in reference to the virus, "there's been one other case: an Indian girl, 1974." That means she got sick in 1974; it doesn't necessarily mean she died in 1974 (although the Haitian and Molly both seem to have gotten sick very rapidly, the virus seems pretty mutable). Since we don't have a confirmed age for Mohinder, or a confirmed birth order, it's possible she was still alive in 1977 after all.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:50, 2 December 2007 (EST)		* In this case, we may be jumping the gun on her date of death, though. The exact quote from ''[[The Hard Part]]'' is, in reference to the virus, "there's been one other case: an Indian girl, 1974." That means she got sick in 1974; it doesn't necessarily mean she died in 1974 (although the Haitian and Molly both seem to have gotten sick very rapidly, the virus seems pretty mutable). Since we don't have a confirmed age for Mohinder, or a confirmed birth order, it's possible she was still alive in 1977 after all.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:50, 2 December 2007 (EST)
			**That makes sense to me. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:15, 2 December 2007 (EST)