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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Canon Issues */

2009-10-22T03:40:16Z

Canon Issues

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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Canon Issues */

2009-10-22T03:40:16Z

Canon Issues

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	******* Actually, I'm one of the main people (along with [[Zach Wilson]] and others) who chooses which characters can cross over. We do look at the profiles, but we also recognize that the users can change the information any time they want. We use the information to inspire what is written in the iStory, but the information in HSG is not canonical at all. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:33, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		******* Actually, I'm one of the main people (along with [[Zach Wilson]] and others) who chooses which characters can cross over. We do look at the profiles, but we also recognize that the users can change the information any time they want. We use the information to inspire what is written in the iStory, but the information in HSG is not canonical at all. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:33, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
	******** Forgot about that! Your right then, if they are not specificly stated to have a ability or use it in the iStory text, it should go into the notes. Oh, and you might regret having mentioned you help choose them: everyone on the site who has a profile wiil be asking you to look at theirs! :) --[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 23:34, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		******** Forgot about that! Your right then, if they are not specificly stated to have a ability or use it in the iStory text, it should go into the notes. Oh, and you might regret having mentioned you help choose them: everyone on the site who has a profile wiil be asking you to look at theirs! :) --[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 23:34, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
			********* :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:40, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

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imported>Ratclaws: /* Canon Issues */

2009-10-22T03:34:28Z

Canon Issues

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	****** Ok, that would remove [[Katherine Murry]] and [[Trevor Tanaka]] from [[enhanced memory]], but [[Pacy McNeil]] was said to have it in the text. Plus, since those charactors are chosen to appear, it is a acknowlegement that they are canon, and whatever background given for them is canon, as long as it does not violate higher levels of canon. The iStory writers do have to look at the profiles to choose who appears. Man, this is giving me a headache trying to figure out...--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 22:16, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		****** Ok, that would remove [[Katherine Murry]] and [[Trevor Tanaka]] from [[enhanced memory]], but [[Pacy McNeil]] was said to have it in the text. Plus, since those charactors are chosen to appear, it is a acknowlegement that they are canon, and whatever background given for them is canon, as long as it does not violate higher levels of canon. The iStory writers do have to look at the profiles to choose who appears. Man, this is giving me a headache trying to figure out...--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 22:16, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
	******* Actually, I'm one of the main people (along with [[Zach Wilson]] and others) who chooses which characters can cross over. We do look at the profiles, but we also recognize that the users can change the information any time they want. We use the information to inspire what is written in the iStory, but the information in HSG is not canonical at all. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:33, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		******* Actually, I'm one of the main people (along with [[Zach Wilson]] and others) who chooses which characters can cross over. We do look at the profiles, but we also recognize that the users can change the information any time they want. We use the information to inspire what is written in the iStory, but the information in HSG is not canonical at all. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:33, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
			******** Forgot about that! Your right then, if they are not specificly stated to have a ability or use it in the iStory text, it should go into the notes. Oh, and you might regret having mentioned you help choose them: everyone on the site who has a profile wiil be asking you to look at theirs! :) --[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 23:34, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Canon Issues */

2009-10-22T02:33:54Z

Canon Issues

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	***** My concern is not with the ability itself. My concern is with us saying that characters are evolved humans when they have never demonstrated an ability, and the only thing that says they are an evolved human is HSG. I would rather call them humans, and then put information about the ability (if it hasn't been demonstrated) in the character's Notes section. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:27, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		***** My concern is not with the ability itself. My concern is with us saying that characters are evolved humans when they have never demonstrated an ability, and the only thing that says they are an evolved human is HSG. I would rather call them humans, and then put information about the ability (if it hasn't been demonstrated) in the character's Notes section. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:27, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
	****** Ok, that would remove [[Katherine Murry]] and [[Trevor Tanaka]] from [[enhanced memory]], but [[Pacy McNeil]] was said to have it in the text. Plus, since those charactors are chosen to appear, it is a acknowlegement that they are canon, and whatever background given for them is canon, as long as it does not violate higher levels of canon. The iStory writers do have to look at the profiles to choose who appears. Man, this is giving me a headache trying to figure out...--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 22:16, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		****** Ok, that would remove [[Katherine Murry]] and [[Trevor Tanaka]] from [[enhanced memory]], but [[Pacy McNeil]] was said to have it in the text. Plus, since those charactors are chosen to appear, it is a acknowlegement that they are canon, and whatever background given for them is canon, as long as it does not violate higher levels of canon. The iStory writers do have to look at the profiles to choose who appears. Man, this is giving me a headache trying to figure out...--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 22:16, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
			******* Actually, I'm one of the main people (along with [[Zach Wilson]] and others) who chooses which characters can cross over. We do look at the profiles, but we also recognize that the users can change the information any time they want. We use the information to inspire what is written in the iStory, but the information in HSG is not canonical at all. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:33, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

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imported>Ratclaws: /* Canon Issues */

2009-10-22T02:16:55Z

Canon Issues

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	**** My take on it is if the fan ability is the same as a canon one, and it does not add anything that falls outside established canon, it should be listed under that ability. But if it adds some aspect that we have never seen before, there are two options: make a new ability page for it if it is demonstrated, and if its not demonstrated, no page. That should solve any canon issues, including for those three you mentioned.--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 21:03, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		**** My take on it is if the fan ability is the same as a canon one, and it does not add anything that falls outside established canon, it should be listed under that ability. But if it adds some aspect that we have never seen before, there are two options: make a new ability page for it if it is demonstrated, and if its not demonstrated, no page. That should solve any canon issues, including for those three you mentioned.--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 21:03, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
	***** My concern is not with the ability itself. My concern is with us saying that characters are evolved humans when they have never demonstrated an ability, and the only thing that says they are an evolved human is HSG. I would rather call them humans, and then put information about the ability (if it hasn't been demonstrated) in the character's Notes section. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:27, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		***** My concern is not with the ability itself. My concern is with us saying that characters are evolved humans when they have never demonstrated an ability, and the only thing that says they are an evolved human is HSG. I would rather call them humans, and then put information about the ability (if it hasn't been demonstrated) in the character's Notes section. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:27, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
			****** Ok, that would remove [[Katherine Murry]] and [[Trevor Tanaka]] from [[enhanced memory]], but [[Pacy McNeil]] was said to have it in the text. Plus, since those charactors are chosen to appear, it is a acknowlegement that they are canon, and whatever background given for them is canon, as long as it does not violate higher levels of canon. The iStory writers do have to look at the profiles to choose who appears. Man, this is giving me a headache trying to figure out...--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 22:16, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

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imported>Ryangibsonstewart at 01:27, 22 October 2009

2009-10-22T01:27:09Z

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	*** [[Katherine Murry]], [[Pacy McNeil]], and [[Trevor Tanaka]] have all been added to the [[enhanced memory]] page, and even have sections dedicated to them. As far as I know, none of them have ever demonstrated this ability, let alone even had it confirmed (other than in the Heroes: Survival game, where the content is 100% created by fans, and subject to change whenever they want it to). There are other cases like that, too. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:12, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		*** [[Katherine Murry]], [[Pacy McNeil]], and [[Trevor Tanaka]] have all been added to the [[enhanced memory]] page, and even have sections dedicated to them. As far as I know, none of them have ever demonstrated this ability, let alone even had it confirmed (other than in the Heroes: Survival game, where the content is 100% created by fans, and subject to change whenever they want it to). There are other cases like that, too. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:12, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
	**** My take on it is if the fan ability is the same as a canon one, and it does not add anything that falls outside established canon, it should be listed under that ability. But if it adds some aspect that we have never seen before, there are two options: make a new ability page for it if it is demonstrated, and if its not demonstrated, no page. That should solve any canon issues, including for those three you mentioned.--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 21:03, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		**** My take on it is if the fan ability is the same as a canon one, and it does not add anything that falls outside established canon, it should be listed under that ability. But if it adds some aspect that we have never seen before, there are two options: make a new ability page for it if it is demonstrated, and if its not demonstrated, no page. That should solve any canon issues, including for those three you mentioned.--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 21:03, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
			***** My concern is not with the ability itself. My concern is with us saying that characters are evolved humans when they have never demonstrated an ability, and the only thing that says they are an evolved human is HSG. I would rather call them humans, and then put information about the ability (if it hasn't been demonstrated) in the character's Notes section. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:27, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

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imported>Ratclaws: /* Canon Issues */

2009-10-22T01:03:41Z

Canon Issues

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	*** Done.--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 09:50, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		*** Done.--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 09:50, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
	*** [[Katherine Murry]], [[Pacy McNeil]], and [[Trevor Tanaka]] have all been added to the [[enhanced memory]] page, and even have sections dedicated to them. As far as I know, none of them have ever demonstrated this ability, let alone even had it confirmed (other than in the Heroes: Survival game, where the content is 100% created by fans, and subject to change whenever they want it to). There are other cases like that, too. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:12, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		*** [[Katherine Murry]], [[Pacy McNeil]], and [[Trevor Tanaka]] have all been added to the [[enhanced memory]] page, and even have sections dedicated to them. As far as I know, none of them have ever demonstrated this ability, let alone even had it confirmed (other than in the Heroes: Survival game, where the content is 100% created by fans, and subject to change whenever they want it to). There are other cases like that, too. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:12, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
			**** My take on it is if the fan ability is the same as a canon one, and it does not add anything that falls outside established canon, it should be listed under that ability. But if it adds some aspect that we have never seen before, there are two options: make a new ability page for it if it is demonstrated, and if its not demonstrated, no page. That should solve any canon issues, including for those three you mentioned.--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 21:03, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Canon Issues */

2009-10-22T00:12:18Z

Canon Issues

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	**I think that's the way it is currently, no? I mean, we're only adding characters to ability pages (or creating new abilities) if their abilities have been demonstrated in the iStories. If the writers include a HSG person in an iStory but don't show their ability being used, we wouldn't create that article at all. In this case, I believe we should avoid listing the Perrin/Shard relationship, but instead mention it in the notes section of Shard's page. --[[User:Radicell\|Radicell]] 09:43, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		**I think that's the way it is currently, no? I mean, we're only adding characters to ability pages (or creating new abilities) if their abilities have been demonstrated in the iStories. If the writers include a HSG person in an iStory but don't show their ability being used, we wouldn't create that article at all. In this case, I believe we should avoid listing the Perrin/Shard relationship, but instead mention it in the notes section of Shard's page. --[[User:Radicell\|Radicell]] 09:43, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
	*** Done.--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 09:50, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		*** Done.--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 09:50, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
			*** [[Katherine Murry]], [[Pacy McNeil]], and [[Trevor Tanaka]] have all been added to the [[enhanced memory]] page, and even have sections dedicated to them. As far as I know, none of them have ever demonstrated this ability, let alone even had it confirmed (other than in the Heroes: Survival game, where the content is 100% created by fans, and subject to change whenever they want it to). There are other cases like that, too. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:12, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

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imported>Intuitive Empath at 15:55, 21 October 2009

2009-10-21T15:55:06Z

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	**I think that's the way it is currently, no? I mean, we're only adding characters to ability pages (or creating new abilities) if their abilities have been demonstrated in the iStories. If the writers include a HSG person in an iStory but don't show their ability being used, we wouldn't create that article at all. In this case, I believe we should avoid listing the Perrin/Shard relationship, but instead mention it in the notes section of Shard's page. --[[User:Radicell\|Radicell]] 09:43, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		**I think that's the way it is currently, no? I mean, we're only adding characters to ability pages (or creating new abilities) if their abilities have been demonstrated in the iStories. If the writers include a HSG person in an iStory but don't show their ability being used, we wouldn't create that article at all. In this case, I believe we should avoid listing the Perrin/Shard relationship, but instead mention it in the notes section of Shard's page. --[[User:Radicell\|Radicell]] 09:43, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
	*** Done.--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 09:50, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		*** Done.--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 09:50, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

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			What do call him? I mean, do we move him to his actual name and keep Shard as a nick, or do we leave as Shard and redirect his name here? [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 11:55, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

imported>Ratclaws: /* Canon Issues */

2009-10-21T13:50:17Z

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	* We've never really had a formal discussion about it. We've been including the information on Heroes:Survival throughout the site, including adding characters to ability pages etc. I am also responsible for this, so I don't want to sound like I'm pointing fingers at others. But as time has gone on, the amount of information that we're using from fans has really bothered me. I mean, it's one thing for the writers to take fan creations and insert them into canon and near-canon content. It's another for us then to go to the original fan creation and treat that as a canon or near-canon source. I'm beginning to feel that we should confine information from Heroes:Survival to just the notes on the character's page, and only use information from the iStories themselves. That would mean a lot of work and some major changes, but that's just my opinion, which has been forming and growing stronger over the past month or so. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:06, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		* We've never really had a formal discussion about it. We've been including the information on Heroes:Survival throughout the site, including adding characters to ability pages etc. I am also responsible for this, so I don't want to sound like I'm pointing fingers at others. But as time has gone on, the amount of information that we're using from fans has really bothered me. I mean, it's one thing for the writers to take fan creations and insert them into canon and near-canon content. It's another for us then to go to the original fan creation and treat that as a canon or near-canon source. I'm beginning to feel that we should confine information from Heroes:Survival to just the notes on the character's page, and only use information from the iStories themselves. That would mean a lot of work and some major changes, but that's just my opinion, which has been forming and growing stronger over the past month or so. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:06, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
	**I think that's the way it is currently, no? I mean, we're only adding characters to ability pages (or creating new abilities) if their abilities have been demonstrated in the iStories. If the writers include a HSG person in an iStory but don't show their ability being used, we wouldn't create that article at all. In this case, I believe we should avoid listing the Perrin/Shard relationship, but instead mention it in the notes section of Shard's page. --[[User:Radicell\|Radicell]] 09:43, 21 October 2009 (EDT)		**I think that's the way it is currently, no? I mean, we're only adding characters to ability pages (or creating new abilities) if their abilities have been demonstrated in the iStories. If the writers include a HSG person in an iStory but don't show their ability being used, we wouldn't create that article at all. In this case, I believe we should avoid listing the Perrin/Shard relationship, but instead mention it in the notes section of Shard's page. --[[User:Radicell\|Radicell]] 09:43, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
			*** Done.--[[User:Ratclaws\|Ratclaws]] 09:50, 21 October 2009 (EDT)