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imported>Intuitive Empath at 19:31, 13 February 2010

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imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Do you tink more of the ability will be shown next week? */

2010-02-06T08:54:14Z

Do you tink more of the ability will be shown next week?

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	Or is the story over? I really would prefer it if the ability will be shown used on a human, so that the debate on what will happen if the ability is used on a human, would it shatter just the bones or the whole person as it is? Someone here is a writer there, right? So if anyone can confirm if the ability will furthermore be used, please answer me.--[[User:Realistic\|Realistic]] 16:12, February 6 2010		Or is the story over? I really would prefer it if the ability will be shown used on a human, so that the debate on what will happen if the ability is used on a human, would it shatter just the bones or the whole person as it is? Someone here is a writer there, right? So if anyone can confirm if the ability will furthermore be used, please answer me.--[[User:Realistic\|Realistic]] 16:12, February 6 2010
			* Hi, Realistic. I wrote [[chapter 5 of Purpose]]. No, I don't think this ability will be seen in the next iStory chapter. I haven't read chapter 6 yet, but it was being written at the same time as chapter 5. When I read the outline for chapter 6, Pearl wasn't included in the story. So unfortunately, we'll have to wait until some other time to hopefully see this power again. It's a favorite of mine! :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 03:54, 6 February 2010 (EST)

imported>Realistic at 08:14, 6 February 2010

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	==Yes!==		==Yes!==
	This is so fantastic! Heroes Wiki is almost soandso's ability free! Disintegration, Shattering, Healing Touch, Activation and Deactivation, names that describe the abilities fine and are not confusing(well Healing Touch is a bit, but maybe we can think of a better name, Life force control perhaps, or just healing.) We just need to crack a few more. Sadly, Future Terrorist is dead and gone, but i think we haven't seen the end of this, Melting Beam Emission works fine for me. Gordon Tovey, if i'm not mistaken, should be returning or at least be mentioned again, and to be honest, i think, since we use Freezing for Tracy's ability to manipulate, turn into, and shoot water, we can use Sand manipulation, or mimicry, or perhaps mutation, because despite being a bit incorrect, it certainly works. Silification was always a favourite of mine though. I still think David, Mohinder, and Elephant Man all had the same form of ability, an uncatalysed synthetic ability that went wrong. It's clear it's not just a normal one. For Joseph, Emotion or Empathic Manipulation is really canon, Samuel says something like 'don't alter my emotions' and for Ricky, well, it's ongoing, so hopefully we'll get more soon. For now the best i can think is Dissolving. And for Alejandro, Poison Emisson Supression sounds pretty correct, or something like that. For me, soandso's ability abilities are more annoying than red links, because they just don't work as a name. We can do this! [[User:MIDAS\|MIDAS]] 13:58, 4 February 2010 (EST)		This is so fantastic! Heroes Wiki is almost soandso's ability free! Disintegration, Shattering, Healing Touch, Activation and Deactivation, names that describe the abilities fine and are not confusing(well Healing Touch is a bit, but maybe we can think of a better name, Life force control perhaps, or just healing.) We just need to crack a few more. Sadly, Future Terrorist is dead and gone, but i think we haven't seen the end of this, Melting Beam Emission works fine for me. Gordon Tovey, if i'm not mistaken, should be returning or at least be mentioned again, and to be honest, i think, since we use Freezing for Tracy's ability to manipulate, turn into, and shoot water, we can use Sand manipulation, or mimicry, or perhaps mutation, because despite being a bit incorrect, it certainly works. Silification was always a favourite of mine though. I still think David, Mohinder, and Elephant Man all had the same form of ability, an uncatalysed synthetic ability that went wrong. It's clear it's not just a normal one. For Joseph, Emotion or Empathic Manipulation is really canon, Samuel says something like 'don't alter my emotions' and for Ricky, well, it's ongoing, so hopefully we'll get more soon. For now the best i can think is Dissolving. And for Alejandro, Poison Emisson Supression sounds pretty correct, or something like that. For me, soandso's ability abilities are more annoying than red links, because they just don't work as a name. We can do this! [[User:MIDAS\|MIDAS]] 13:58, 4 February 2010 (EST)

			==Do you tink more of the ability will be shown next week?==

			Or is the story over? I really would prefer it if the ability will be shown used on a human, so that the debate on what will happen if the ability is used on a human, would it shatter just the bones or the whole person as it is? Someone here is a writer there, right? So if anyone can confirm if the ability will furthermore be used, please answer me.--[[User:Realistic\|Realistic]] 16:12, February 6 2010

imported>MIDAS at 18:58, 4 February 2010

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	*********Look Riddler, it's not doing to get moved. Ryan is the writer and confirmed that the abilities are the same. He also said that the ability name is shattering. That means shattering is as canon as any other name we use commentary or interviews to name abilities. The use of disintegration was put in I think to establish the fact Tom Miller's ability and this one is the same, which was also said in BTE (although we took it jokingly). --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 06:40, 3 February 2010 (EST)		*********Look Riddler, it's not doing to get moved. Ryan is the writer and confirmed that the abilities are the same. He also said that the ability name is shattering. That means shattering is as canon as any other name we use commentary or interviews to name abilities. The use of disintegration was put in I think to establish the fact Tom Miller's ability and this one is the same, which was also said in BTE (although we took it jokingly). --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 06:40, 3 February 2010 (EST)
	********** Both Pearl and Trevor used ''the exact same gesture'' when demonstrating this ability. Their abilities also produced the same effects: everything they pointed at shattered. This works as evidence that they have the same power.--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 11:36, 3 February 2010 (EST)		********** Both Pearl and Trevor used ''the exact same gesture'' when demonstrating this ability. Their abilities also produced the same effects: everything they pointed at shattered. This works as evidence that they have the same power.--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 11:36, 3 February 2010 (EST)

			==Yes!==
			This is so fantastic! Heroes Wiki is almost soandso's ability free! Disintegration, Shattering, Healing Touch, Activation and Deactivation, names that describe the abilities fine and are not confusing(well Healing Touch is a bit, but maybe we can think of a better name, Life force control perhaps, or just healing.) We just need to crack a few more. Sadly, Future Terrorist is dead and gone, but i think we haven't seen the end of this, Melting Beam Emission works fine for me. Gordon Tovey, if i'm not mistaken, should be returning or at least be mentioned again, and to be honest, i think, since we use Freezing for Tracy's ability to manipulate, turn into, and shoot water, we can use Sand manipulation, or mimicry, or perhaps mutation, because despite being a bit incorrect, it certainly works. Silification was always a favourite of mine though. I still think David, Mohinder, and Elephant Man all had the same form of ability, an uncatalysed synthetic ability that went wrong. It's clear it's not just a normal one. For Joseph, Emotion or Empathic Manipulation is really canon, Samuel says something like 'don't alter my emotions' and for Ricky, well, it's ongoing, so hopefully we'll get more soon. For now the best i can think is Dissolving. And for Alejandro, Poison Emisson Supression sounds pretty correct, or something like that. For me, soandso's ability abilities are more annoying than red links, because they just don't work as a name. We can do this! [[User:MIDAS\|MIDAS]] 13:58, 4 February 2010 (EST)

imported>Referos: /* The move to Shattering. */

2010-02-03T16:36:06Z

The move to Shattering.

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	********* What we know is that they point and shoot, and the object being shot breaks as it physically should. Ryan, it's too ambiguous of a situation be able to say that they shoot and it shatters. Breaking would be more accurate.--[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 22:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)		********* What we know is that they point and shoot, and the object being shot breaks as it physically should. Ryan, it's too ambiguous of a situation be able to say that they shoot and it shatters. Breaking would be more accurate.--[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 22:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
	*********Look Riddler, it's not doing to get moved. Ryan is the writer and confirmed that the abilities are the same. He also said that the ability name is shattering. That means shattering is as canon as any other name we use commentary or interviews to name abilities. The use of disintegration was put in I think to establish the fact Tom Miller's ability and this one is the same, which was also said in BTE (although we took it jokingly). --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 06:40, 3 February 2010 (EST)		*********Look Riddler, it's not doing to get moved. Ryan is the writer and confirmed that the abilities are the same. He also said that the ability name is shattering. That means shattering is as canon as any other name we use commentary or interviews to name abilities. The use of disintegration was put in I think to establish the fact Tom Miller's ability and this one is the same, which was also said in BTE (although we took it jokingly). --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 06:40, 3 February 2010 (EST)
			********** Both Pearl and Trevor used ''the exact same gesture'' when demonstrating this ability. Their abilities also produced the same effects: everything they pointed at shattered. This works as evidence that they have the same power.--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 11:36, 3 February 2010 (EST)

imported>Mc hammark: /* The move to Shattering. */

2010-02-03T11:40:05Z

The move to Shattering.

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	******** Their actions don't imply anything. Neither Pearl nor Trevor, as far as I know, had ever used their ability on a person before. Both found themselves in a situation where their lives were threatened, and both did the only thing they know how to do--point their fingers and shoot. I don't know about Trevor, but I can say that Pearl had no idea what would have happened if she made contact with Mulligan. We don't know what would have happened, and neither did the characters. So until or unless something changes down the road (which would be very cool to see), we use the information that we have--they point and shoot, and things shatter. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)		******** Their actions don't imply anything. Neither Pearl nor Trevor, as far as I know, had ever used their ability on a person before. Both found themselves in a situation where their lives were threatened, and both did the only thing they know how to do--point their fingers and shoot. I don't know about Trevor, but I can say that Pearl had no idea what would have happened if she made contact with Mulligan. We don't know what would have happened, and neither did the characters. So until or unless something changes down the road (which would be very cool to see), we use the information that we have--they point and shoot, and things shatter. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)
	********* What we know is that they point and shoot, and the object being shot breaks as it physically should. Ryan, it's too ambiguous of a situation be able to say that they shoot and it shatters. Breaking would be more accurate.--[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 22:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)		********* What we know is that they point and shoot, and the object being shot breaks as it physically should. Ryan, it's too ambiguous of a situation be able to say that they shoot and it shatters. Breaking would be more accurate.--[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 22:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
			*********Look Riddler, it's not doing to get moved. Ryan is the writer and confirmed that the abilities are the same. He also said that the ability name is shattering. That means shattering is as canon as any other name we use commentary or interviews to name abilities. The use of disintegration was put in I think to establish the fact Tom Miller's ability and this one is the same, which was also said in BTE (although we took it jokingly). --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 06:40, 3 February 2010 (EST)

imported>Riddler: /* The move to Shattering. */

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The move to Shattering.

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	******* No, the writer of the iStory said that he INTENDED for it to be the same ability, and that he meant for it to be called Shattering, but those are simply intentions that were not included in the writing, for whatever the reason. I never said his place in the wiki made it less useable; just makes it easier to question it. If I had contact with writers, I'd tell them the same thing if a concern came up. For every example we've seen, the object broke as it should have. "Breaking" would be more accurate than Shattering since we don't know if it can do more or less. This isn't to say that I'm for the name breaking, but I hope you see my point. Since both Pearl and Trevor intended to use their abilities on something that normally wouldn't shatter (and to assume they're going for bones is another assumption we really can't make), we can't say that all they can do is shatter. We can say that all we have seen them do is shatter, but we cannot say all that they CAN do is shatter, because we don't know. I'm not making the assumption that they can do more, I'm making the point that we don't know if they can do more but their actions imply it. We can't ignore that. Now, if a mention in the writing specifically mentioned Trevor, I guess I wouldn't be able to argue it, but it didn't, intended or not. I do think they're the same ability. I don't think we know enough to call it Shattering. --[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 21:57, 2 February 2010 (EST)		******* No, the writer of the iStory said that he INTENDED for it to be the same ability, and that he meant for it to be called Shattering, but those are simply intentions that were not included in the writing, for whatever the reason. I never said his place in the wiki made it less useable; just makes it easier to question it. If I had contact with writers, I'd tell them the same thing if a concern came up. For every example we've seen, the object broke as it should have. "Breaking" would be more accurate than Shattering since we don't know if it can do more or less. This isn't to say that I'm for the name breaking, but I hope you see my point. Since both Pearl and Trevor intended to use their abilities on something that normally wouldn't shatter (and to assume they're going for bones is another assumption we really can't make), we can't say that all they can do is shatter. We can say that all we have seen them do is shatter, but we cannot say all that they CAN do is shatter, because we don't know. I'm not making the assumption that they can do more, I'm making the point that we don't know if they can do more but their actions imply it. We can't ignore that. Now, if a mention in the writing specifically mentioned Trevor, I guess I wouldn't be able to argue it, but it didn't, intended or not. I do think they're the same ability. I don't think we know enough to call it Shattering. --[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 21:57, 2 February 2010 (EST)
	******** Their actions don't imply anything. Neither Pearl nor Trevor, as far as I know, had ever used their ability on a person before. Both found themselves in a situation where their lives were threatened, and both did the only thing they know how to do--point their fingers and shoot. I don't know about Trevor, but I can say that Pearl had no idea what would have happened if she made contact with Mulligan. We don't know what would have happened, and neither did the characters. So until or unless something changes down the road (which would be very cool to see), we use the information that we have--they point and shoot, and things shatter. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)		******** Their actions don't imply anything. Neither Pearl nor Trevor, as far as I know, had ever used their ability on a person before. Both found themselves in a situation where their lives were threatened, and both did the only thing they know how to do--point their fingers and shoot. I don't know about Trevor, but I can say that Pearl had no idea what would have happened if she made contact with Mulligan. We don't know what would have happened, and neither did the characters. So until or unless something changes down the road (which would be very cool to see), we use the information that we have--they point and shoot, and things shatter. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)
			********* What we know is that they point and shoot, and the object being shot breaks as it physically should. Ryan, it's too ambiguous of a situation be able to say that they shoot and it shatters. Breaking would be more accurate.--[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 22:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* The move to Shattering. */

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	*******The writer of that iStory specifically said Pearl has the same ability as Trevor, and that he meant for it to be called "Shattering". Just because that writer happens to be on the wiki does not make his statement any less useable. When a writer explains the same sort of thing in an interview, we take into account what they have said and use it. There is no need for an interview here. He wants it to be the same as Trevor's, so it is. Every example of the ability we ''have seen up to this point'' has caused an object to shatter, so it is called shattering. Talking about what ''would'' or ''may'' happen is entirely speculative. Our job is to document what we see in the Heroes universe, not make assumptions or educated guesses. We have only seen it shatter things, so it is called shattering. --[[User:Skullman1392\|Skullman1392]] 21:50, 2 February 2010 (EST)		*******The writer of that iStory specifically said Pearl has the same ability as Trevor, and that he meant for it to be called "Shattering". Just because that writer happens to be on the wiki does not make his statement any less useable. When a writer explains the same sort of thing in an interview, we take into account what they have said and use it. There is no need for an interview here. He wants it to be the same as Trevor's, so it is. Every example of the ability we ''have seen up to this point'' has caused an object to shatter, so it is called shattering. Talking about what ''would'' or ''may'' happen is entirely speculative. Our job is to document what we see in the Heroes universe, not make assumptions or educated guesses. We have only seen it shatter things, so it is called shattering. --[[User:Skullman1392\|Skullman1392]] 21:50, 2 February 2010 (EST)
	******* No, the writer of the iStory said that he INTENDED for it to be the same ability, and that he meant for it to be called Shattering, but those are simply intentions that were not included in the writing, for whatever the reason. I never said his place in the wiki made it less useable; just makes it easier to question it. If I had contact with writers, I'd tell them the same thing if a concern came up. For every example we've seen, the object broke as it should have. "Breaking" would be more accurate than Shattering since we don't know if it can do more or less. This isn't to say that I'm for the name breaking, but I hope you see my point. Since both Pearl and Trevor intended to use their abilities on something that normally wouldn't shatter (and to assume they're going for bones is another assumption we really can't make), we can't say that all they can do is shatter. We can say that all we have seen them do is shatter, but we cannot say all that they CAN do is shatter, because we don't know. I'm not making the assumption that they can do more, I'm making the point that we don't know if they can do more but their actions imply it. We can't ignore that. Now, if a mention in the writing specifically mentioned Trevor, I guess I wouldn't be able to argue it, but it didn't, intended or not. I do think they're the same ability. I don't think we know enough to call it Shattering. --[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 21:57, 2 February 2010 (EST)		******* No, the writer of the iStory said that he INTENDED for it to be the same ability, and that he meant for it to be called Shattering, but those are simply intentions that were not included in the writing, for whatever the reason. I never said his place in the wiki made it less useable; just makes it easier to question it. If I had contact with writers, I'd tell them the same thing if a concern came up. For every example we've seen, the object broke as it should have. "Breaking" would be more accurate than Shattering since we don't know if it can do more or less. This isn't to say that I'm for the name breaking, but I hope you see my point. Since both Pearl and Trevor intended to use their abilities on something that normally wouldn't shatter (and to assume they're going for bones is another assumption we really can't make), we can't say that all they can do is shatter. We can say that all we have seen them do is shatter, but we cannot say all that they CAN do is shatter, because we don't know. I'm not making the assumption that they can do more, I'm making the point that we don't know if they can do more but their actions imply it. We can't ignore that. Now, if a mention in the writing specifically mentioned Trevor, I guess I wouldn't be able to argue it, but it didn't, intended or not. I do think they're the same ability. I don't think we know enough to call it Shattering. --[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 21:57, 2 February 2010 (EST)
			******** Their actions don't imply anything. Neither Pearl nor Trevor, as far as I know, had ever used their ability on a person before. Both found themselves in a situation where their lives were threatened, and both did the only thing they know how to do--point their fingers and shoot. I don't know about Trevor, but I can say that Pearl had no idea what would have happened if she made contact with Mulligan. We don't know what would have happened, and neither did the characters. So until or unless something changes down the road (which would be very cool to see), we use the information that we have--they point and shoot, and things shatter. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)

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	********* What we know is that they point and shoot, and the object being shot breaks as it physically should. Ryan, it's too ambiguous of a situation be able to say that they shoot and it shatters. Breaking would be more accurate.--[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 22:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)		********* What we know is that they point and shoot, and the object being shot breaks as it physically should. Ryan, it's too ambiguous of a situation be able to say that they shoot and it shatters. Breaking would be more accurate.--[[User:Riddler\|Riddler]] 22:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
	*********Look Riddler, it's not doing to get moved. Ryan is the writer and confirmed that the abilities are the same. He also said that the ability name is shattering. That means shattering is as canon as any other name we use commentary or interviews to name abilities. The use of disintegration was put in I think to establish the fact Tom Miller's ability and this one is the same, which was also said in BTE (although we took it jokingly). --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 06:40, 3 February 2010 (EST)		*********Look Riddler, it's not doing to get moved. Ryan is the writer and confirmed that the abilities are the same. He also said that the ability name is shattering. That means shattering is as canon as any other name we use commentary or interviews to name abilities. The use of disintegration was put in I think to establish the fact Tom Miller's ability and this one is the same, which was also said in BTE (although we took it jokingly). --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 06:40, 3 February 2010 (EST)
			********** Both Pearl and Trevor used ''the exact same gesture'' when demonstrating this ability. Their abilities also produced the same effects: everything they pointed at shattered. This works as evidence that they have the same power.--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 11:36, 3 February 2010 (EST)