Talk:Space-time manipulation - Revision history

imported>Snow Leapord: /* Dahlia */ new section

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	*** I agree with Josh about watching only the "new" timeline. There is a point when the Evernow-freed Hiro fights with some of the Harris clones, and Hiro appears to stop time and then pop in and out of frozen time a few times. I think this is showing Hiro as trying to find a way to defeat Harris due to the time ripples. I imagine that in the offscreen time, he tries different methods to stop the Harris clones and succeeds, only still to fail to stop all the bombs and/or to cause a worse problem, so Hiro then comes back and stops himself. I think it's just unfortunate that Hiro's outfit wasn't noticeably altered from fighting in between these time jumps so that it would be more clear, but as far as we know Hiro cannot "sense" the butterflies his ability causes without actually having experienced them.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		*** I agree with Josh about watching only the "new" timeline. There is a point when the Evernow-freed Hiro fights with some of the Harris clones, and Hiro appears to stop time and then pop in and out of frozen time a few times. I think this is showing Hiro as trying to find a way to defeat Harris due to the time ripples. I imagine that in the offscreen time, he tries different methods to stop the Harris clones and succeeds, only still to fail to stop all the bombs and/or to cause a worse problem, so Hiro then comes back and stops himself. I think it's just unfortunate that Hiro's outfit wasn't noticeably altered from fighting in between these time jumps so that it would be more clear, but as far as we know Hiro cannot "sense" the butterflies his ability causes without actually having experienced them.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
	**** Heroes has always had inconsistent and paradoxical time travel, but we can somewhat follow what happened here. In timeline one: The twins are still babies, Renautas probably catches them. Someone, we don't know who, maybe Noah, rescues Hiro. Hiro goes back in time to stop Renautas. Time line two: similar to what we saw in [[June 13th, Part One]], but possibly with past Noah. Hiro takes the twins back into the past. Timeline three: The twins grow up in secret. Past Noah is with the baby twins. After Hiro leaves, past Noah has his memory wiped. This is the timeline we see. Noah goes with Hiro this time. Timeline four: The one we are now in (actually several more because of " butterflies" but there is no major change). -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 20:50, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		**** Heroes has always had inconsistent and paradoxical time travel, but we can somewhat follow what happened here. In timeline one: The twins are still babies, Renautas probably catches them. Someone, we don't know who, maybe Noah, rescues Hiro. Hiro goes back in time to stop Renautas. Time line two: similar to what we saw in [[June 13th, Part One]], but possibly with past Noah. Hiro takes the twins back into the past. Timeline three: The twins grow up in secret. Past Noah is with the baby twins. After Hiro leaves, past Noah has his memory wiped. This is the timeline we see. Noah goes with Hiro this time. Timeline four: The one we are now in (actually several more because of " butterflies" but there is no major change). -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 20:50, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

			== Dahlia ==

			Dahlia has been shown only able to manipulate time, imo she should be removed from this article and an article just for Time Manipulation should be created. --[[User:Snow Leapord\|Snow Leapord]] ([[User talk:Snow Leapord\|talk]]) 14:20, 24 November 2015 (EST)

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Empathic Mimicry

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	When [[Peter Petrelli\| Peter]] meets [[Future Hiro Nakamura\| Future Hiro]] on the Subway train I think he is uneffected by the Space/time manipulation because he absorbed it unintentionally from Hiro not because Hiro left him unfrozen this is only my own opinion I don't mind if you don't agree [[User:BrainRemovalMan\|BrainRemovalMan]] 15:36, 9 May 2009		When [[Peter Petrelli\| Peter]] meets [[Future Hiro Nakamura\| Future Hiro]] on the Subway train I think he is uneffected by the Space/time manipulation because he absorbed it unintentionally from Hiro not because Hiro left him unfrozen this is only my own opinion I don't mind if you don't agree [[User:BrainRemovalMan\|BrainRemovalMan]] 15:36, 9 May 2009
	* I believe writers have confirmed that, too. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:45, 9 May 2009 (EDT)		* I believe writers have confirmed that, too. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:45, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

			Is this why the page says Future Hiro is able to selectively include others in freezing time? We've seen him do this with Noah Bennet in Heroes Reborn but I can't remember him doing it in the original series. I agree with Ryangibsonstewart; it always seemed to me like Peter stayed unfrozen because he absorbed the ability. --[[User:Tikalal\|Tikalal]] ([[User talk:Tikalal\|talk]]) 08:58, 31 October 2015 (EDT)

	== Danko Reaction in "An Invisible Thread" ==		== Danko Reaction in "An Invisible Thread" ==

imported>Level: /* Unknown */ timelines

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	** I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - [[User:Josh\|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh\|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh\|contribs]]) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		** I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - [[User:Josh\|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh\|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh\|contribs]]) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
	*** I agree with Josh about watching only the "new" timeline. There is a point when the Evernow-freed Hiro fights with some of the Harris clones, and Hiro appears to stop time and then pop in and out of frozen time a few times. I think this is showing Hiro as trying to find a way to defeat Harris due to the time ripples. I imagine that in the offscreen time, he tries different methods to stop the Harris clones and succeeds, only still to fail to stop all the bombs and/or to cause a worse problem, so Hiro then comes back and stops himself. I think it's just unfortunate that Hiro's outfit wasn't noticeably altered from fighting in between these time jumps so that it would be more clear, but as far as we know Hiro cannot "sense" the butterflies his ability causes without actually having experienced them.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		*** I agree with Josh about watching only the "new" timeline. There is a point when the Evernow-freed Hiro fights with some of the Harris clones, and Hiro appears to stop time and then pop in and out of frozen time a few times. I think this is showing Hiro as trying to find a way to defeat Harris due to the time ripples. I imagine that in the offscreen time, he tries different methods to stop the Harris clones and succeeds, only still to fail to stop all the bombs and/or to cause a worse problem, so Hiro then comes back and stops himself. I think it's just unfortunate that Hiro's outfit wasn't noticeably altered from fighting in between these time jumps so that it would be more clear, but as far as we know Hiro cannot "sense" the butterflies his ability causes without actually having experienced them.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
			**** Heroes has always had inconsistent and paradoxical time travel, but we can somewhat follow what happened here. In timeline one: The twins are still babies, Renautas probably catches them. Someone, we don't know who, maybe Noah, rescues Hiro. Hiro goes back in time to stop Renautas. Time line two: similar to what we saw in [[June 13th, Part One]], but possibly with past Noah. Hiro takes the twins back into the past. Timeline three: The twins grow up in secret. Past Noah is with the baby twins. After Hiro leaves, past Noah has his memory wiped. This is the timeline we see. Noah goes with Hiro this time. Timeline four: The one we are now in (actually several more because of " butterflies" but there is no major change). -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 20:50, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

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	* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
	** I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - [[User:Josh\|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh\|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh\|contribs]]) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		** I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - [[User:Josh\|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh\|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh\|contribs]]) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
			*** I agree with Josh about watching only the "new" timeline. There is a point when the Evernow-freed Hiro fights with some of the Harris clones, and Hiro appears to stop time and then pop in and out of frozen time a few times. I think this is showing Hiro as trying to find a way to defeat Harris due to the time ripples. I imagine that in the offscreen time, he tries different methods to stop the Harris clones and succeeds, only still to fail to stop all the bombs and/or to cause a worse problem, so Hiro then comes back and stops himself. I think it's just unfortunate that Hiro's outfit wasn't noticeably altered from fighting in between these time jumps so that it would be more clear, but as far as we know Hiro cannot "sense" the butterflies his ability causes without actually having experienced them.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

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	* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))		* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))
	* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
			** I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - [[User:Josh\|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh\|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh\|contribs]]) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

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	I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
	* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))		* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))
	* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and ~~the~~ also sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

imported>MiamiVolts: /* Unknown */ my thoughts

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	I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
	* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))		* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))
			* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and the also sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

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	I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
			* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))

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	As they say in doctor who, time whiney: So, we know the first time June 13th happened, that Nathan aka Tommy and Malina were traveled back in time by another evo with space-time manipulation; we know, that the younger Hiro was trapped, at that point then, in the game "evernow" and as he told Miko's dad, I've not time traveled in ages, unless he was lying, and was the one to time travel 14/15 years ago, and then traveled back to 13th June 2014 in order where, he needed to be before, he was trapped in the game.		As they say in doctor who, time whiney: So, we know the first time June 13th happened, that Nathan aka Tommy and Malina were traveled back in time by another evo with space-time manipulation; we know, that the younger Hiro was trapped, at that point then, in the game "evernow" and as he told Miko's dad, I've not time traveled in ages, unless he was lying, and was the one to time travel 14/15 years ago, and then traveled back to 13th June 2014 in order where, he needed to be before, he was trapped in the game.

	I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

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	** I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - [[User:Josh\|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh\|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh\|contribs]]) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		** I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - [[User:Josh\|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh\|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh\|contribs]]) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
	*** I agree with Josh about watching only the "new" timeline. There is a point when the Evernow-freed Hiro fights with some of the Harris clones, and Hiro appears to stop time and then pop in and out of frozen time a few times. I think this is showing Hiro as trying to find a way to defeat Harris due to the time ripples. I imagine that in the offscreen time, he tries different methods to stop the Harris clones and succeeds, only still to fail to stop all the bombs and/or to cause a worse problem, so Hiro then comes back and stops himself. I think it's just unfortunate that Hiro's outfit wasn't noticeably altered from fighting in between these time jumps so that it would be more clear, but as far as we know Hiro cannot "sense" the butterflies his ability causes without actually having experienced them.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		*** I agree with Josh about watching only the "new" timeline. There is a point when the Evernow-freed Hiro fights with some of the Harris clones, and Hiro appears to stop time and then pop in and out of frozen time a few times. I think this is showing Hiro as trying to find a way to defeat Harris due to the time ripples. I imagine that in the offscreen time, he tries different methods to stop the Harris clones and succeeds, only still to fail to stop all the bombs and/or to cause a worse problem, so Hiro then comes back and stops himself. I think it's just unfortunate that Hiro's outfit wasn't noticeably altered from fighting in between these time jumps so that it would be more clear, but as far as we know Hiro cannot "sense" the butterflies his ability causes without actually having experienced them.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
			**** Heroes has always had inconsistent and paradoxical time travel, but we can somewhat follow what happened here. In timeline one: The twins are still babies, Renautas probably catches them. Someone, we don't know who, maybe Noah, rescues Hiro. Hiro goes back in time to stop Renautas. Time line two: similar to what we saw in [[June 13th, Part One]], but possibly with past Noah. Hiro takes the twins back into the past. Timeline three: The twins grow up in secret. Past Noah is with the baby twins. After Hiro leaves, past Noah has his memory wiped. This is the timeline we see. Noah goes with Hiro this time. Timeline four: The one we are now in (actually several more because of " butterflies" but there is no major change). -[[User:Level\|Lөv]][[User talk:Level\|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level\|l]] 20:50, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

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	* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
	** I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - [[User:Josh\|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh\|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh\|contribs]]) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		** I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - [[User:Josh\|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh\|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh\|contribs]]) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
			*** I agree with Josh about watching only the "new" timeline. There is a point when the Evernow-freed Hiro fights with some of the Harris clones, and Hiro appears to stop time and then pop in and out of frozen time a few times. I think this is showing Hiro as trying to find a way to defeat Harris due to the time ripples. I imagine that in the offscreen time, he tries different methods to stop the Harris clones and succeeds, only still to fail to stop all the bombs and/or to cause a worse problem, so Hiro then comes back and stops himself. I think it's just unfortunate that Hiro's outfit wasn't noticeably altered from fighting in between these time jumps so that it would be more clear, but as far as we know Hiro cannot "sense" the butterflies his ability causes without actually having experienced them.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

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	* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))		* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))
	* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
			** I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - [[User:Josh\|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh\|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh\|contribs]]) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

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	I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
	* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))		* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))
	* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and ~~the~~ also sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

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	I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)		I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
	* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))		* I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin\|talk]]) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))
			* I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and the also sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)