Talk:Susan Amman - Revision history

imported>Radicell: unneeded link

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	**I concur.--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 16:23, 26 November 2007 (EST)		**I concur.--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 16:23, 26 November 2007 (EST)
	**Ditto. Incidentally, is it time we begin to formalize a cruft policy?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:00, 26 November 2007 (EST)		**Ditto. Incidentally, is it time we begin to formalize a cruft policy?--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 17:00, 26 November 2007 (EST)
	***I think that'd be a good idea. I think the previous mentioned suggestions would be good. I think two of the following:a photo, a direct mention in an episode (excluding captions from a photo), or a substantial contribution to the plot. So [[McSorley's son]] would be fine, but not [[McSorley]]. Pratt has been mentioned by name by Nathan, and Matt noted it on the photo, so that's an actual mention with context from the note made by Matt, whereas Suzanne is never mentioned outside of a caption on the photo.--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 17:25, 26 November 2007 (EST)		***I think that'd be a good idea. I think the previous mentioned suggestions would be good. I think two of the following:a photo, a direct mention in an episode (excluding captions from a photo), or a substantial contribution to the plot. So [[McSorley's son]] would be fine, but not McSorley. Pratt has been mentioned by name by Nathan, and Matt noted it on the photo, so that's an actual mention with context from the note made by Matt, whereas Suzanne is never mentioned outside of a caption on the photo.--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 17:25, 26 November 2007 (EST)
	***I'd love to see a guideline we can follow for determining what's cruft and not. Hopefully we can examine some of the discussions about cruftiness that took place in the past and use those to help articulate where the line is. It's going to take some work to craft properly because it's actually pretty tricky in some instances (which will become more apparent as it's being developed). ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:35, 26 November 2007 (EST))		***I'd love to see a guideline we can follow for determining what's cruft and not. Hopefully we can examine some of the discussions about cruftiness that took place in the past and use those to help articulate where the line is. It's going to take some work to craft properly because it's actually pretty tricky in some instances (which will become more apparent as it's being developed). ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 17:35, 26 November 2007 (EST))
	****I like what Bob said above. I would also add that if there's an actor attached to a role, no matter how small, we keep the article. So [[curandera's daughter]] and [[chanting monk (II)]] can stay, in my opinion. This is not really a guideline, but I always ask myself the question, "Can this be summed up in a note somewhere?" -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:45, 26 November 2007 (EST)		****I like what Bob said above. I would also add that if there's an actor attached to a role, no matter how small, we keep the article. So [[curandera's daughter]] and [[chanting monk (II)]] can stay, in my opinion. This is not really a guideline, but I always ask myself the question, "Can this be summed up in a note somewhere?" -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:45, 26 November 2007 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Portrayer */

2010-04-01T02:44:08Z

Portrayer

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	*They do look really alike, but something tells me that if she were portrayed by Loretta Swit, there'd have been more of a thing mentioned by producers etc, since after all, she was and still is, quite famous. Did anyone ever ask any of the Heroes crew who portrayed the "unknown"s of the company founders? --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 12:03, 31 March 2010 (EDT)		*They do look really alike, but something tells me that if she were portrayed by Loretta Swit, there'd have been more of a thing mentioned by producers etc, since after all, she was and still is, quite famous. Did anyone ever ask any of the Heroes crew who portrayed the "unknown"s of the company founders? --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 12:03, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
	**Eyes are a dead giveaway, look at the distance between them. Not Loretta Swit. --'''[[User:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 12:06, 31 March 2010 (EDT)		**Eyes are a dead giveaway, look at the distance between them. Not Loretta Swit. --'''[[User:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 12:06, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
			*** I agree with Ricard. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:44, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

imported>Ricard Desi: /* Portrayer */

2010-03-31T16:06:17Z

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	[[Image:Loretta Swit.jpg]] [[Image:Unnamed woman 2.jpg]]		[[Image:Loretta Swit.jpg]] [[Image:Unnamed woman 2.jpg]]
	*They do look really alike, but something tells me that if she were portrayed by Loretta Swit, there'd have been more of a thing mentioned by producers etc, since after all, she was and still is, quite famous. Did anyone ever ask any of the Heroes crew who portrayed the "unknown"s of the company founders? --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 12:03, 31 March 2010 (EDT)		*They do look really alike, but something tells me that if she were portrayed by Loretta Swit, there'd have been more of a thing mentioned by producers etc, since after all, she was and still is, quite famous. Did anyone ever ask any of the Heroes crew who portrayed the "unknown"s of the company founders? --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 12:03, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
			**Eyes are a dead giveaway, look at the distance between them. Not Loretta Swit. --'''[[User:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi\|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 12:06, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

imported>Mc hammark: /* Portrayer */

2010-03-31T16:03:30Z

Portrayer

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	Looks like Loretta Swit from Mash to me. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 03/31/2010 10:58 (EST)</small>		Looks like Loretta Swit from Mash to me. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 03/31/2010 10:58 (EST)</small>
	[[Image:Loretta Swit.jpg]] [[Image:Unnamed woman 2.jpg]]		[[Image:Loretta Swit.jpg]] [[Image:Unnamed woman 2.jpg]]
			*They do look really alike, but something tells me that if she were portrayed by Loretta Swit, there'd have been more of a thing mentioned by producers etc, since after all, she was and still is, quite famous. Did anyone ever ask any of the Heroes crew who portrayed the "unknown"s of the company founders? --[[User:Mc hammark\|mc_hammark]] 12:03, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

imported>HiroDynoSlayer: Loretta Swit

2010-03-31T14:58:57Z

Loretta Swit

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	==Images==		==Images==
	I've deleted the images on this page regarding Susan since they are not needed anymore and were only used here. They've been marked for deletion since Nov. 2008.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:10, 1 August 2009 (EDT)		I've deleted the images on this page regarding Susan since they are not needed anymore and were only used here. They've been marked for deletion since Nov. 2008.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:10, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

			==Portrayer==
			Looks like Loretta Swit from Mash to me. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 03/31/2010 10:58 (EST)</small>
			[[Image:Loretta Swit.jpg]] [[Image:Unnamed woman 2.jpg]]

imported>MiamiVolts: /* Suzanne's last name */ rmv img link

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	********** I don't care about Carlos--I can read "Mendez" very clearly, so I'm personally fine with it as is. "Gramble" is less clear, but because it matches a name on [[the list]], it seems confirmed to me ("Out of the mouth of two or more witnesses..."). If there were a person on the list or somewhere named "Suzy Ammaw" or "Sue Amman" or something even slightly resembling the name, then I'd make the leap of faith. But since it seems like a completely novel name, written in poor handwriting and viewed as very grainy even after an HD transfer, I'd say we shouldn't try to guess it. Let's just report what we know. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:36, 20 November 2007 (EST)		********** I don't care about Carlos--I can read "Mendez" very clearly, so I'm personally fine with it as is. "Gramble" is less clear, but because it matches a name on [[the list]], it seems confirmed to me ("Out of the mouth of two or more witnesses..."). If there were a person on the list or somewhere named "Suzy Ammaw" or "Sue Amman" or something even slightly resembling the name, then I'd make the leap of faith. But since it seems like a completely novel name, written in poor handwriting and viewed as very grainy even after an HD transfer, I'd say we shouldn't try to guess it. Let's just report what we know. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:36, 20 November 2007 (EST)
	*********** The shot we have now is from HD. It isn't blurry because it's lacking resolution. It's blurry because it's moving. That frame was the least blurry. I'll see if I can grab any others where her name is clearer, but it's not likely possible.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 22:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)		*********** The shot we have now is from HD. It isn't blurry because it's lacking resolution. It's blurry because it's moving. That frame was the least blurry. I'll see if I can grab any others where her name is clearer, but it's not likely possible.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 22:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)
	*********** [[Image:Sue who.jpg~~\|frame\|left]]~~ I took shots from a few frames here. I'm about 90% sure it says Amman, which is more sure than I am of Suzanne (Suzette? Sue Ellen? Samantha?), but still far from confirmed.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 22:55, 20 November 2007 (EST)		*********** Image:Sue who.jpg - I took shots from a few frames here. I'm about 90% sure it says Amman, which is more sure than I am of Suzanne (Suzette? Sue Ellen? Samantha?), but still far from confirmed.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 22:55, 20 November 2007 (EST)
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	Any chance it could be 'Aswan'? [[Image:Abu aswan.jpg]] Because that would make it match another name on the list ([[Abu Aswan]], and it would make all three be consistent members of the list. (Assuming she is either the wife of Abu, or Abu is her nickname). <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 11/20/2007 23:14 (EST)</small>		Any chance it could be 'Aswan'? [[Image:Abu aswan.jpg]] Because that would make it match another name on the list ([[Abu Aswan]], and it would make all three be consistent members of the list. (Assuming she is either the wife of Abu, or Abu is her nickname). <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 11/20/2007 23:14 (EST)</small>

imported>MiamiVolts: /* Images */ new section

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	Ok, above right is a trace drawing of what I see. I know it's not clear, so I understand if you disagree. This is just to better explain my viewpoint.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:01, 2 October 2008 (EDT)		Ok, above right is a trace drawing of what I see. I know it's not clear, so I understand if you disagree. This is just to better explain my viewpoint.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:01, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
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	The last letter looks like an 'N'. The spot where you see two 'N's does not match. The spot where you see 'UZ' could also be a line connecting the 'S' to the second letter where you see the 'Z'. - [[User:Cael\|Cael]] 19:40, 5 October 2008 (EDT)		The last letter looks like an 'N'. The spot where you see two 'N's does not match. The spot where you see 'UZ' could also be a line connecting the 'S' to the second letter where you see the 'Z'. - [[User:Cael\|Cael]] 19:40, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
	* I don't think this one really matters too much. We have an unclear blow up of an extreme close up of messy handwriting which gave us other names, but we just couldn't decipher this one. We also have a somewhat ambiguous response from a couple of writers. If this were a major character, it might be a different situation. But I don't think the exact spelling of this character, given the circumstances, is really critical. I would leave well enough alone at this point, otherwise we start arguing the authenticity of the writers' responses and begin calling in handwriting analysts and making jumps on our own. I think we can all agree the handwriting is not very clear (though we have different opinions of what it says) and that BTE was ambiguous (though we have different ways of reading into what they said or didn't say). Let's just make sure that both versions of the name redirect here and be grateful that we even got a confirmation of her last name. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 5 October 2008 (EDT)		* I don't think this one really matters too much. We have an unclear blow up of an extreme close up of messy handwriting which gave us other names, but we just couldn't decipher this one. We also have a somewhat ambiguous response from a couple of writers. If this were a major character, it might be a different situation. But I don't think the exact spelling of this character, given the circumstances, is really critical. I would leave well enough alone at this point, otherwise we start arguing the authenticity of the writers' responses and begin calling in handwriting analysts and making jumps on our own. I think we can all agree the handwriting is not very clear (though we have different opinions of what it says) and that BTE was ambiguous (though we have different ways of reading into what they said or didn't say). Let's just make sure that both versions of the name redirect here and be grateful that we even got a confirmation of her last name. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
	** Cael, my trace was not exact cause I manually drew it in MS Paintbrush, so your overlay proves nothing to me. Lets agree to disagree on this one, and follow Ryan's advice to put this to rest for now. When the ''Heroes'' video game is released, we might be debating this once again (see prior discussion to find out what I mean). On a slightly related note, I've added redirects for "Suzanne" and "Susan" to point to [[Sue (disambig)]].--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:07, 6 October 2008 (EDT)		** Cael, my trace was not exact cause I manually drew it in MS Paintbrush, so your overlay proves nothing to me. Lets agree to disagree on this one, and follow Ryan's advice to put this to rest for now. When the ''Heroes'' video game is released, we might be debating this once again (see prior discussion to find out what I mean). On a slightly related note, I've added redirects for "Suzanne" and "Susan" to point to [[Sue (disambig)]].--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:07, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
			==Images==
			I've deleted the images on this page regarding Susan since they are not needed anymore and were only used here. They've been marked for deletion since Nov. 2008.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:10, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

imported>MiamiVolts: /* Suzanne? */

2008-10-06T19:07:34Z

Suzanne?

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	The last letter looks like an 'N'. The spot where you see two 'N's does not match. The spot where you see 'UZ' could also be a line connecting the 'S' to the second letter where you see the 'Z'. - [[User:Cael\|Cael]] 19:40, 5 October 2008 (EDT)		The last letter looks like an 'N'. The spot where you see two 'N's does not match. The spot where you see 'UZ' could also be a line connecting the 'S' to the second letter where you see the 'Z'. - [[User:Cael\|Cael]] 19:40, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
	* I don't think this one really matters too much. We have an unclear blow up of an extreme close up of messy handwriting which gave us other names, but we just couldn't decipher this one. We also have a somewhat ambiguous response from a couple of writers. If this were a major character, it might be a different situation. But I don't think the exact spelling of this character, given the circumstances, is really critical. I would leave well enough alone at this point, otherwise we start arguing the authenticity of the writers' responses and begin calling in handwriting analysts and making jumps on our own. I think we can all agree the handwriting is not very clear (though we have different opinions of what it says) and that BTE was ambiguous (though we have different ways of reading into what they said or didn't say). Let's just make sure that both versions of the name redirect here and be grateful that we even got a confirmation of her last name. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 5 October 2008 (EDT)		* I don't think this one really matters too much. We have an unclear blow up of an extreme close up of messy handwriting which gave us other names, but we just couldn't decipher this one. We also have a somewhat ambiguous response from a couple of writers. If this were a major character, it might be a different situation. But I don't think the exact spelling of this character, given the circumstances, is really critical. I would leave well enough alone at this point, otherwise we start arguing the authenticity of the writers' responses and begin calling in handwriting analysts and making jumps on our own. I think we can all agree the handwriting is not very clear (though we have different opinions of what it says) and that BTE was ambiguous (though we have different ways of reading into what they said or didn't say). Let's just make sure that both versions of the name redirect here and be grateful that we even got a confirmation of her last name. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
			** Cael, my trace was not exact cause I manually drew it in MS Paintbrush, so your overlay proves nothing to me. Lets agree to disagree on this one, and follow Ryan's advice to put this to rest for now. When the ''Heroes'' video game is released, we might be debating this once again (see prior discussion to find out what I mean). On a slightly related note, I've added redirects for "Suzanne" and "Susan" to point to [[Sue (disambig)]].--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:07, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Suzanne? */

2008-10-06T00:09:26Z

Suzanne?

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	The last letter looks like an 'N'. The spot where you see two 'N's does not match. The spot where you see 'UZ' could also be a line connecting the 'S' to the second letter where you see the 'Z'. - [[User:Cael\|Cael]] 19:40, 5 October 2008 (EDT)		The last letter looks like an 'N'. The spot where you see two 'N's does not match. The spot where you see 'UZ' could also be a line connecting the 'S' to the second letter where you see the 'Z'. - [[User:Cael\|Cael]] 19:40, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
			* I don't think this one really matters too much. We have an unclear blow up of an extreme close up of messy handwriting which gave us other names, but we just couldn't decipher this one. We also have a somewhat ambiguous response from a couple of writers. If this were a major character, it might be a different situation. But I don't think the exact spelling of this character, given the circumstances, is really critical. I would leave well enough alone at this point, otherwise we start arguing the authenticity of the writers' responses and begin calling in handwriting analysts and making jumps on our own. I think we can all agree the handwriting is not very clear (though we have different opinions of what it says) and that BTE was ambiguous (though we have different ways of reading into what they said or didn't say). Let's just make sure that both versions of the name redirect here and be grateful that we even got a confirmation of her last name. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 5 October 2008 (EDT)