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	I said this on Tommy/Nathan Clarke's page, the two abilities are difference, if you look how, Tommy teleports compared to Hiro, different effects are being used, plus Noah said, in July 13th, he remembered, what, he did to protect the twins; Tommy adopted mother had teleportation, hence, why, we first see him; the effects are difference from space-time manipulation.		I said this on Tommy/Nathan Clarke's page, the two abilities are difference, if you look how, Tommy teleports compared to Hiro, different effects are being used, plus Noah said, in July 13th, he remembered, what, he did to protect the twins; Tommy adopted mother had teleportation, hence, why, we first see him; the effects are difference from space-time manipulation.

	The original July 13th Hiro was trapped in the game, and wasn't at the festival, so another, Space-time travel, or someone with supercharge and super speed took them back to 1999, with Tommy's adoptive mum, and Malina Guardian, Casper was also present, at the original point, that why, he has been protecting Tommy/Nathan.		The original July 13th Hiro was trapped in the game, and wasn't at the festival, so another, Space-time travel, or someone with supercharge and super speed took them back to 1999, with Tommy's adoptive mum, and Malina Guardian, Casper was also present, at the original point, that why, he has been protecting Tommy/Nathan.
	--[[User:Masterofgravity\|Masterofgravity]] ([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 10:30, 7 November 2015 (EST)		--[[User:Masterofgravity\|Masterofgravity]] ([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 10:30, 7 November 2015 (EST)

imported>Masterofgravity: /* Teleportation vs Space-time manipulation */

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Teleportation vs Space-time manipulation

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	******** The problem we're facing now (and we need to expect this will come up more and more in the upcoming volume, particularly with Ando's new power joining the fray) is that the lines are blurred, and we may be trying too hard to distinguish every individual instance from each other when they appear to be related. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)		******** The problem we're facing now (and we need to expect this will come up more and more in the upcoming volume, particularly with Ando's new power joining the fray) is that the lines are blurred, and we may be trying too hard to distinguish every individual instance from each other when they appear to be related. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)
	********* I think the safest course of action is to distinguish between instances where the powers effects occurred (like time travel with Ando + Daphne) and the actual power itself (Hiro). We should be able to follow our normal naming conventions, and use discussion and consensus checks for the stickier situations, but I truly believe that the listing of aspects (like Hiro's teleportation), instances (like Ando + Daphne) and byproducts (like super speed for Santiago) should go in the notes section (only) on ability pages, be listed under limits on the evolved human pages, and be completely left off the ability subpages (eg - extension, simultaneous use, heredity, etc). If we start listing every instance an ability's effects occur, the place is going to get messy really fast. Besides, nothing has changed, imo. We didn't list Maury on the illusion page, even though he can create them, and that seems like the same situation with Hiro and teleportation. --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 13:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)		********* I think the safest course of action is to distinguish between instances where the powers effects occurred (like time travel with Ando + Daphne) and the actual power itself (Hiro). We should be able to follow our normal naming conventions, and use discussion and consensus checks for the stickier situations, but I truly believe that the listing of aspects (like Hiro's teleportation), instances (like Ando + Daphne) and byproducts (like super speed for Santiago) should go in the notes section (only) on ability pages, be listed under limits on the evolved human pages, and be completely left off the ability subpages (eg - extension, simultaneous use, heredity, etc). If we start listing every instance an ability's effects occur, the place is going to get messy really fast. Besides, nothing has changed, imo. We didn't list Maury on the illusion page, even though he can create them, and that seems like the same situation with Hiro and teleportation. --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 13:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)
	********** You're exactly right, Stevehim. Instances of ability usage that resemble other abilities should be confined to the Notes sections--and even then, the note should be about the ability, not the person. For instance, an appropriate note on the illusion page would be "The ability of [[telepathy]] can be used to create erroneous perceptions of reality, similar to the alternate perceptions of reality created by the ability of illusion." Another, this one for [[Persuasion#Notes]]: "Those who have [[telepathic]] abilities can bend the will of others through verbal commands, similar to the ability of persuasion." Ricard Desi, I think you're right about the lines being blurred--which is precisely the reason we must keep abilities specific and exact, and not murky. Rachel Mills's ability of [[teleportation]] is not the same as Hiro's ability of [[space-time manipulation]]. Until it's revealed or confirmed that they are the same, they should be listed separately. Likewise, the characters should be listed separately. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:41, 21 ~~December 2008 (EST)~~		********** You're exactly right, Stevehim. Instances of ability usage that resemble other abilities should be confined to the Notes sections--and even then, the note should be about the ability, not the person. For instance, an appropriate note on the illusion page would be "The ability of [[telepathy]] can be used to create erroneous perceptions of reality, similar to the alternate perceptions of reality created by the ability of illusion." Another, this one for [[Persuasion#Notes]]: "Those who have [[telepathic]] abilities can bend the will of others through verbal commands, similar to the ability of persuasion." Ricard Desi, I think you're right about the lines being blurred--which is precisely the reason we must keep abilities specific and exact, and not murky. Rachel Mills's ability of [[teleportation]] is not the same as Hiro's ability of [[space-time manipulation]]. Until it's revealed or confirmed that they are the same, they should be listed separately. Likewise, the characters should be listed separately. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:41, 21

			I said this on Tommy/Nathan Clarke's page, the two abilities are difference, if you look how, Tommy teleports compared to Hiro, different effects are being used, plus Noah said, in July 13th, he remembered, what, he did to protect the twins; Tommy adopted mother had teleportation, hence, why, we first see him; the effects are difference from space-time manipulation.
			The original July 13th Hiro was trapped in the game, and wasn't at the festival, so another, Space-time travel, or someone with supercharge and super speed took them back to 1999, with Tommy's adoptive mum, and Malina Guardian, Casper was also present, at the original point, that why, he has been protecting Tommy/Nathan.
			--[[User:Masterofgravity\|Masterofgravity]] ([[User talk:Masterofgravity\|talk]]) 10:30, 7 November 2015 (EST)

	==Sylar==		==Sylar==

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: joanne calls him a teleporter

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	{{power names\|1\|eos="Teleportation" is the name of a file in [[The Genesis Files]]. Additionally, the [[interactive map]] and the [[assignment tracker map]] explicitly list "teleportation" as the name of the ability}}		{{power names\|1\|eos="Teleportation" is the name of a file in [[The Genesis Files]]. Additionally, the [[interactive map]] and the [[assignment tracker map]] explicitly list "teleportation" as the name of the ability. [[Joanne]] says that [[Tommy]] is a teleporter (''[[Odessa]]'')}}
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	I don't see any reason to have this as a separate ability.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 10:56, 31 July 2008 (EDT)		I don't see any reason to have this as a separate ability.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 10:56, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

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	* '''Keep''' - We have [[plant growth]] and [[plant manipulation]] which are similar, but different. --[[User:Pinkkeith\|Pinkkeith]] 10:57, 31 July 2008 (EDT)		* '''Keep''' - We have [[plant growth]] and [[plant manipulation]] which are similar, but different. --[[User:Pinkkeith\|Pinkkeith]] 10:57, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
	** I don't see any reason to keep this as a separate ability. "Similar but different" warrants separate articles (just like [[Debbie]] and [[Piper]] are similar, but should be different articles). However, articles that are about a subject that is incorporated by something larger should be separate articles. [[Strain 138]] redirects to a section of [[Shanti virus]], just as it should. [[Brooklyn]] redirects to a section of [[New York, NY]], just as it should. [[Teleportation]], too, should redirect to a section of [[space-time manipulation]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:22, 31 July 2008 (EDT)		** I don't see any reason to keep this as a separate ability. "Similar but different" warrants separate articles (just like [[Debbie]] and [[Piper]] are similar, but should be different articles). However, articles that are about a subject that is incorporated by something larger should be separate articles. [[Strain 138]] redirects to a section of [[Shanti virus]], just as it should. [[Brooklyn]] redirects to a section of [[New York, NY]], just as it should. [[Teleportation]], too, should redirect to a section of [[space-time manipulation]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:22, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
	*** If we are going to take this approach we should be redirecting [[plant growth]] to [[plant manipulation]] and we should also state that [[~~Teleporter~~]] has the ability [[space-time manipulation]] instead of teleportation since we are claiming that are the same thing. I don't mind one way or the other, but we should be consistent and uniform in our naming conventions regarding articles. --[[User:Pinkkeith\|Pinkkeith]] 14:26, 31 July 2008 (EDT)		*** If we are going to take this approach we should be redirecting [[plant growth]] to [[plant manipulation]] and we should also state that [[Manuel Garcia]] has the ability [[space-time manipulation]] instead of teleportation since we are claiming that are the same thing. I don't mind one way or the other, but we should be consistent and uniform in our naming conventions regarding articles. --[[User:Pinkkeith\|Pinkkeith]] 14:26, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
	**** Given that there is characters said to have [[teleportation]] as their ability it should have it's own article as well. To only redirect [[teleportation]] to [[space-time manipulation]] would be to say that the teleporter's ability is the same as the space-time manipulator's ability to bend space - and to say that is speculation; we don't have anything to back up such a statement.		**** Given that there is characters said to have [[teleportation]] as their ability it should have it's own article as well. To only redirect [[teleportation]] to [[space-time manipulation]] would be to say that the teleporter's ability is the same as the space-time manipulator's ability to bend space - and to say that is speculation; we don't have anything to back up such a statement.
	**** So - to put it short: A ''' strong'keep'''! [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 14:45, 31 July 2008 (EDT)		**** So - to put it short: A ''' strong'keep'''! [[User:Pierre\|Pierre]] 14:45, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
	***** This is a bit complicated I think. We know that the [[Teleporter]] can't teleport as far as [[Hiro]] and that he can't bend time (confirmed in an interview). However, there are two possibilities: either he has a different ability than Hiro, or he has the same ability, but is not as experienced. If we had seen this ability being used, I would say it should get its own article, for the same reasons that [[plant growth]] and [[plant manipulation]] aren't merged (we don't know if Au Co had a different ability than Lewis, or if she had the same ability, but at a lower development level). '''However!''' We haven't seen this ability being used, therefore, it's [[List of abilities#List of Unconfirmed Abilities\|unconfirmed]]. Like dynamic camouflage, transportation, deoxygenation and weather control, it shouldn't get its own article. I suppose that a note in [[space-time manipulation]] will suffice.--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 15:47, 31 July 2008 (EDT)		***** This is a bit complicated I think. We know that the [[Manuel Garcia\|Teleporter]] can't teleport as far as [[Hiro]] and that he can't bend time (confirmed in an interview). However, there are two possibilities: either he has a different ability than Hiro, or he has the same ability, but is not as experienced. If we had seen this ability being used, I would say it should get its own article, for the same reasons that [[plant growth]] and [[plant manipulation]] aren't merged (we don't know if Au Co had a different ability than Lewis, or if she had the same ability, but at a lower development level). '''However!''' We haven't seen this ability being used, therefore, it's [[List of abilities#List of Unconfirmed Abilities\|unconfirmed]]. Like dynamic camouflage, transportation, deoxygenation and weather control, it shouldn't get its own article. I suppose that a note in [[space-time manipulation]] will suffice.--[[User:Referos\|Referos]] 15:47, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
	My two cents: <br />		My two cents: <br />
	A)it is making an asumptive and speculative leap to redirect this with [[Space-time manipulation]]. The writer of the GN told us that Teleporter '''cannot bend time''' or go as far as Hiro. Right now we are saying that the Teleporter and Hiro have the same ability, '''which may not be true'''. I take [[Interview:Mark Sable\|Mark Sable's words]] as face value, that is to say, it is physicaly imposible for Teleporter to bend time. Bottom line, we need to treat Teleportation as a separate ability from space-time manip. This is the same as the difference between the electrical abilities ([[electromagnetism]], [[lightning]], and [[electrical absorption]]) and the plant abilities ([[plant growth]] and [[plant manipulation]]). There are aparent diferences between the members of those ability groups, and we are told that there are diferences between Teleporter and Hiro. long story short, space-time manip and teleportation are different and separate. '''Teleportation should not redirect to Space time manip.'''<br>		A)it is making an asumptive and speculative leap to redirect this with [[Space-time manipulation]]. The writer of the GN told us that Teleporter '''cannot bend time''' or go as far as Hiro. Right now we are saying that the Teleporter and Hiro have the same ability, '''which may not be true'''. I take [[Interview:Mark Sable\|Mark Sable's words]] as face value, that is to say, it is physicaly imposible for Teleporter to bend time. Bottom line, we need to treat Teleportation as a separate ability from space-time manip. This is the same as the difference between the electrical abilities ([[electromagnetism]], [[lightning]], and [[electrical absorption]]) and the plant abilities ([[plant growth]] and [[plant manipulation]]). There are aparent diferences between the members of those ability groups, and we are told that there are diferences between Teleporter and Hiro. long story short, space-time manip and teleportation are different and separate. '''Teleportation should not redirect to Space time manip.'''<br>

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	********* I think the safest course of action is to distinguish between instances where the powers effects occurred (like time travel with Ando + Daphne) and the actual power itself (Hiro). We should be able to follow our normal naming conventions, and use discussion and consensus checks for the stickier situations, but I truly believe that the listing of aspects (like Hiro's teleportation), instances (like Ando + Daphne) and byproducts (like super speed for Santiago) should go in the notes section (only) on ability pages, be listed under limits on the evolved human pages, and be completely left off the ability subpages (eg - extension, simultaneous use, heredity, etc). If we start listing every instance an ability's effects occur, the place is going to get messy really fast. Besides, nothing has changed, imo. We didn't list Maury on the illusion page, even though he can create them, and that seems like the same situation with Hiro and teleportation. --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 13:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)		********* I think the safest course of action is to distinguish between instances where the powers effects occurred (like time travel with Ando + Daphne) and the actual power itself (Hiro). We should be able to follow our normal naming conventions, and use discussion and consensus checks for the stickier situations, but I truly believe that the listing of aspects (like Hiro's teleportation), instances (like Ando + Daphne) and byproducts (like super speed for Santiago) should go in the notes section (only) on ability pages, be listed under limits on the evolved human pages, and be completely left off the ability subpages (eg - extension, simultaneous use, heredity, etc). If we start listing every instance an ability's effects occur, the place is going to get messy really fast. Besides, nothing has changed, imo. We didn't list Maury on the illusion page, even though he can create them, and that seems like the same situation with Hiro and teleportation. --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 13:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)
	********** You're exactly right, Stevehim. Instances of ability usage that resemble other abilities should be confined to the Notes sections--and even then, the note should be about the ability, not the person. For instance, an appropriate note on the illusion page would be "The ability of [[telepathy]] can be used to create erroneous perceptions of reality, similar to the alternate perceptions of reality created by the ability of illusion." Another, this one for [[Persuasion#Notes]]: "Those who have [[telepathic]] abilities can bend the will of others through verbal commands, similar to the ability of persuasion." Ricard Desi, I think you're right about the lines being blurred--which is precisely the reason we must keep abilities specific and exact, and not murky. Rachel Mills's ability of [[teleportation]] is not the same as Hiro's ability of [[space-time manipulation]]. Until it's revealed or confirmed that they are the same, they should be listed separately. Likewise, the characters should be listed separately. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:41, 21 December 2008 (EST)		********** You're exactly right, Stevehim. Instances of ability usage that resemble other abilities should be confined to the Notes sections--and even then, the note should be about the ability, not the person. For instance, an appropriate note on the illusion page would be "The ability of [[telepathy]] can be used to create erroneous perceptions of reality, similar to the alternate perceptions of reality created by the ability of illusion." Another, this one for [[Persuasion#Notes]]: "Those who have [[telepathic]] abilities can bend the will of others through verbal commands, similar to the ability of persuasion." Ricard Desi, I think you're right about the lines being blurred--which is precisely the reason we must keep abilities specific and exact, and not murky. Rachel Mills's ability of [[teleportation]] is not the same as Hiro's ability of [[space-time manipulation]]. Until it's revealed or confirmed that they are the same, they should be listed separately. Likewise, the characters should be listed separately. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:41, 21 December 2008 (EST)

			==Sylar==
			Does Sylar have this ability?
			in [[Into Asylum]] he seems to teleport in [[Danko]]'s car and then out of it again onto a rooftop. [[User:Bosco13\|Bosco13]] 15:55 22 April 2009 (GMT)

imported>Sylarmage: /* Consensus check */

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Consensus check

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	# --<font face="Copperplate Gothic Light">The Mysterious</font> <font face="Viner Hand ITC"><big>[[User Talk:Major Despard\|<span style="color:#660000;">Major Despard</span>]]</big></font> 19:50, 18 December 2008 (EST)		# --<font face="Copperplate Gothic Light">The Mysterious</font> <font face="Viner Hand ITC"><big>[[User Talk:Major Despard\|<span style="color:#660000;">Major Despard</span>]]</big></font> 19:50, 18 December 2008 (EST)
			# --[[User:Sylarmage\|Sylarmage]] 10:49, 31 December 2008 (EST)

	* This consensus check is old and obsolete. The newer check can be found [[Talk:Space-time manipulation#Divide\|at this link]]. It's already been decided that teleportation and space-time manipulation should be two distinct abilities since Rachel does not have Hiro's ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:20, 18 December 2008 (EST)		* This consensus check is old and obsolete. The newer check can be found [[Talk:Space-time manipulation#Divide\|at this link]]. It's already been decided that teleportation and space-time manipulation should be two distinct abilities since Rachel does not have Hiro's ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:20, 18 December 2008 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Teleportation vs Space-time manipulation */

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Teleportation vs Space-time manipulation

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	******** The problem we're facing now (and we need to expect this will come up more and more in the upcoming volume, particularly with Ando's new power joining the fray) is that the lines are blurred, and we may be trying too hard to distinguish every individual instance from each other when they appear to be related. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)		******** The problem we're facing now (and we need to expect this will come up more and more in the upcoming volume, particularly with Ando's new power joining the fray) is that the lines are blurred, and we may be trying too hard to distinguish every individual instance from each other when they appear to be related. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)
	********* I think the safest course of action is to distinguish between instances where the powers effects occurred (like time travel with Ando + Daphne) and the actual power itself (Hiro). We should be able to follow our normal naming conventions, and use discussion and consensus checks for the stickier situations, but I truly believe that the listing of aspects (like Hiro's teleportation), instances (like Ando + Daphne) and byproducts (like super speed for Santiago) should go in the notes section (only) on ability pages, be listed under limits on the evolved human pages, and be completely left off the ability subpages (eg - extension, simultaneous use, heredity, etc). If we start listing every instance an ability's effects occur, the place is going to get messy really fast. Besides, nothing has changed, imo. We didn't list Maury on the illusion page, even though he can create them, and that seems like the same situation with Hiro and teleportation. --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 13:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)		********* I think the safest course of action is to distinguish between instances where the powers effects occurred (like time travel with Ando + Daphne) and the actual power itself (Hiro). We should be able to follow our normal naming conventions, and use discussion and consensus checks for the stickier situations, but I truly believe that the listing of aspects (like Hiro's teleportation), instances (like Ando + Daphne) and byproducts (like super speed for Santiago) should go in the notes section (only) on ability pages, be listed under limits on the evolved human pages, and be completely left off the ability subpages (eg - extension, simultaneous use, heredity, etc). If we start listing every instance an ability's effects occur, the place is going to get messy really fast. Besides, nothing has changed, imo. We didn't list Maury on the illusion page, even though he can create them, and that seems like the same situation with Hiro and teleportation. --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 13:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)
			********** You're exactly right, Stevehim. Instances of ability usage that resemble other abilities should be confined to the Notes sections--and even then, the note should be about the ability, not the person. For instance, an appropriate note on the illusion page would be "The ability of [[telepathy]] can be used to create erroneous perceptions of reality, similar to the alternate perceptions of reality created by the ability of illusion." Another, this one for [[Persuasion#Notes]]: "Those who have [[telepathic]] abilities can bend the will of others through verbal commands, similar to the ability of persuasion." Ricard Desi, I think you're right about the lines being blurred--which is precisely the reason we must keep abilities specific and exact, and not murky. Rachel Mills's ability of [[teleportation]] is not the same as Hiro's ability of [[space-time manipulation]]. Until it's revealed or confirmed that they are the same, they should be listed separately. Likewise, the characters should be listed separately. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:41, 21 December 2008 (EST)

imported>Stevehim: /* Teleportation vs Space-time manipulation */

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	******* We just can't, Ted made an EMP, does that mean he has electric manipulation? No, does him making a EMP means Elle should be listed under induced radioactivity? Again no. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 12:01, 21 December 2008 (EST)		******* We just can't, Ted made an EMP, does that mean he has electric manipulation? No, does him making a EMP means Elle should be listed under induced radioactivity? Again no. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 12:01, 21 December 2008 (EST)
	******** The problem we're facing now (and we need to expect this will come up more and more in the upcoming volume, particularly with Ando's new power joining the fray) is that the lines are blurred, and we may be trying too hard to distinguish every individual instance from each other when they appear to be related. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)		******** The problem we're facing now (and we need to expect this will come up more and more in the upcoming volume, particularly with Ando's new power joining the fray) is that the lines are blurred, and we may be trying too hard to distinguish every individual instance from each other when they appear to be related. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)
			********* I think the safest course of action is to distinguish between instances where the powers effects occurred (like time travel with Ando + Daphne) and the actual power itself (Hiro). We should be able to follow our normal naming conventions, and use discussion and consensus checks for the stickier situations, but I truly believe that the listing of aspects (like Hiro's teleportation), instances (like Ando + Daphne) and byproducts (like super speed for Santiago) should go in the notes section (only) on ability pages, be listed under limits on the evolved human pages, and be completely left off the ability subpages (eg - extension, simultaneous use, heredity, etc). If we start listing every instance an ability's effects occur, the place is going to get messy really fast. Besides, nothing has changed, imo. We didn't list Maury on the illusion page, even though he can create them, and that seems like the same situation with Hiro and teleportation. --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 13:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)

imported>Ricard Desi: /* Teleportation vs Space-time manipulation */

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Teleportation vs Space-time manipulation

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	****** Hiro can teleport. In the simplest terms, this is true, and thus Hiro belongs on this page, noting he has an enveloping ability, space-time manipulation. Peter and Arthur I hesitated to add because they did not absorb THIS power, but Hiro's (and as thus, perhaps Hiro belongs on this page, but not Peter or Arthur.) Abilities on the show aren't as clean-cut as they were in Season One, we have to be willing to allow for overlaps. I agree with your sentiments on healing vs. RCR, as the blood transfusion makes it a very indirect result of one's power. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 11:59, 21 December 2008 (EST)		****** Hiro can teleport. In the simplest terms, this is true, and thus Hiro belongs on this page, noting he has an enveloping ability, space-time manipulation. Peter and Arthur I hesitated to add because they did not absorb THIS power, but Hiro's (and as thus, perhaps Hiro belongs on this page, but not Peter or Arthur.) Abilities on the show aren't as clean-cut as they were in Season One, we have to be willing to allow for overlaps. I agree with your sentiments on healing vs. RCR, as the blood transfusion makes it a very indirect result of one's power. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 11:59, 21 December 2008 (EST)
	******* We just can't, Ted made an EMP, does that mean he has electric manipulation? No, does him making a EMP means Elle should be listed under induced radioactivity? Again no. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 12:01, 21 December 2008 (EST)		******* We just can't, Ted made an EMP, does that mean he has electric manipulation? No, does him making a EMP means Elle should be listed under induced radioactivity? Again no. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 12:01, 21 December 2008 (EST)
	******** The problem we're facing now (and we need to expect this will come up more and more in the upcoming volume, particularly with Ando's new power joining the fray) is that the lines are blurred, and we may be trying too hard to distinguish every individual instance from each other when they ~~are,~~ in ~~fact,~~ related. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)		******** The problem we're facing now (and we need to expect this will come up more and more in the upcoming volume, particularly with Ando's new power joining the fray) is that the lines are blurred, and we may be trying too hard to distinguish every individual instance from each other when they appear to be related. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)

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	# --<font face="Copperplate Gothic Light">The Mysterious</font> <font face="Viner Hand ITC"><big>[[User Talk:Major Despard\|<span style="color:#660000;">Major Despard</span>]]</big></font> 19:50, 18 December 2008 (EST)		# --<font face="Copperplate Gothic Light">The Mysterious</font> <font face="Viner Hand ITC"><big>[[User Talk:Major Despard\|<span style="color:#660000;">Major Despard</span>]]</big></font> 19:50, 18 December 2008 (EST)
			# --[[User:Sylarmage\|Sylarmage]] 10:49, 31 December 2008 (EST)

	* This consensus check is old and obsolete. The newer check can be found [[Talk:Space-time manipulation#Divide\|at this link]]. It's already been decided that teleportation and space-time manipulation should be two distinct abilities since Rachel does not have Hiro's ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:20, 18 December 2008 (EST)		* This consensus check is old and obsolete. The newer check can be found [[Talk:Space-time manipulation#Divide\|at this link]]. It's already been decided that teleportation and space-time manipulation should be two distinct abilities since Rachel does not have Hiro's ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:20, 18 December 2008 (EST)

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	******* We just can't, Ted made an EMP, does that mean he has electric manipulation? No, does him making a EMP means Elle should be listed under induced radioactivity? Again no. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 12:01, 21 December 2008 (EST)		******* We just can't, Ted made an EMP, does that mean he has electric manipulation? No, does him making a EMP means Elle should be listed under induced radioactivity? Again no. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 12:01, 21 December 2008 (EST)
	******** The problem we're facing now (and we need to expect this will come up more and more in the upcoming volume, particularly with Ando's new power joining the fray) is that the lines are blurred, and we may be trying too hard to distinguish every individual instance from each other when they appear to be related. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)		******** The problem we're facing now (and we need to expect this will come up more and more in the upcoming volume, particularly with Ando's new power joining the fray) is that the lines are blurred, and we may be trying too hard to distinguish every individual instance from each other when they appear to be related. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)
			********* I think the safest course of action is to distinguish between instances where the powers effects occurred (like time travel with Ando + Daphne) and the actual power itself (Hiro). We should be able to follow our normal naming conventions, and use discussion and consensus checks for the stickier situations, but I truly believe that the listing of aspects (like Hiro's teleportation), instances (like Ando + Daphne) and byproducts (like super speed for Santiago) should go in the notes section (only) on ability pages, be listed under limits on the evolved human pages, and be completely left off the ability subpages (eg - extension, simultaneous use, heredity, etc). If we start listing every instance an ability's effects occur, the place is going to get messy really fast. Besides, nothing has changed, imo. We didn't list Maury on the illusion page, even though he can create them, and that seems like the same situation with Hiro and teleportation. --[[User:Stevehim\|Stevehim]] 13:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)

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	****** Hiro can teleport. In the simplest terms, this is true, and thus Hiro belongs on this page, noting he has an enveloping ability, space-time manipulation. Peter and Arthur I hesitated to add because they did not absorb THIS power, but Hiro's (and as thus, perhaps Hiro belongs on this page, but not Peter or Arthur.) Abilities on the show aren't as clean-cut as they were in Season One, we have to be willing to allow for overlaps. I agree with your sentiments on healing vs. RCR, as the blood transfusion makes it a very indirect result of one's power. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 11:59, 21 December 2008 (EST)		****** Hiro can teleport. In the simplest terms, this is true, and thus Hiro belongs on this page, noting he has an enveloping ability, space-time manipulation. Peter and Arthur I hesitated to add because they did not absorb THIS power, but Hiro's (and as thus, perhaps Hiro belongs on this page, but not Peter or Arthur.) Abilities on the show aren't as clean-cut as they were in Season One, we have to be willing to allow for overlaps. I agree with your sentiments on healing vs. RCR, as the blood transfusion makes it a very indirect result of one's power. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 11:59, 21 December 2008 (EST)
	******* We just can't, Ted made an EMP, does that mean he has electric manipulation? No, does him making a EMP means Elle should be listed under induced radioactivity? Again no. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 12:01, 21 December 2008 (EST)		******* We just can't, Ted made an EMP, does that mean he has electric manipulation? No, does him making a EMP means Elle should be listed under induced radioactivity? Again no. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 12:01, 21 December 2008 (EST)
	******** The problem we're facing now (and we need to expect this will come up more and more in the upcoming volume, particularly with Ando's new power joining the fray) is that the lines are blurred, and we may be trying too hard to distinguish every individual instance from each other when they ~~are,~~ in ~~fact,~~ related. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)		******** The problem we're facing now (and we need to expect this will come up more and more in the upcoming volume, particularly with Ando's new power joining the fray) is that the lines are blurred, and we may be trying too hard to distinguish every individual instance from each other when they appear to be related. --[[User:Ricard Desi\|Ricard Desi]] 12:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)