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imported>Heroe: /* Official Interactive Map */ rmv red link

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Official Interactive Map: rmv red link

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Official Interactive Map: rmv red link

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	* Just found something, if you follow the link to the [http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/games/suresh_map.swf Flash file] itself, using IE6 and put the window in anything other than a 4:3 aspect ratio (not Maximized, basically)... the "map" that scrolls in the background shows outside of the "misty" edges of the screen. It's a very poorly coded Flash file, and if anyone has an editor, maybe we could extract the image that is scrolling in much higher quality. I can actually read (blurry) that [[Isaac Mendez]] is a postie in NYC, [[D.L. Hawkins]] is a postie in Las Vegas, and [[Matt Parkman\|Matthew P...]] is in Los Angeles. --[[User:Orne\|Orne]] 16:11, 29 January 2007 (EST)		* Just found something, if you follow the link to the [http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/games/suresh_map.swf Flash file] itself, using IE6 and put the window in anything other than a 4:3 aspect ratio (not Maximized, basically)... the "map" that scrolls in the background shows outside of the "misty" edges of the screen. It's a very poorly coded Flash file, and if anyone has an editor, maybe we could extract the image that is scrolling in much higher quality. I can actually read (blurry) that [[Isaac Mendez]] is a postie in NYC, [[D.L. Hawkins]] is a postie in Las Vegas, and [[Matt Parkman\|Matthew P...]] is in Los Angeles. --[[User:Orne\|Orne]] 16:11, 29 January 2007 (EST)
	** Neat. (Works in Firefox, too). There's also one for Theodore Sprague near Matthew P.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:21, 29 January 2007 (EST)		** Neat. (Works in Firefox, too). There's also one for Theodore Sprague near Matthew P.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:21, 29 January 2007 (EST)
	**Okay, I ~~[[:Image:Interactive map extracted.jpg\|~~extracted the background]] from the SWF file. It's not ''much'' more detailed than ~~[[:Image:NBCMapComposite.jpg\|~~the composite]], but the misty edges are gone at least.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:35, 29 January 2007 (EST)		**Okay, I extracted the background from the SWF file. It's not ''much'' more detailed than the composite, but the misty edges are gone at least.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:35, 29 January 2007 (EST)

	== Trivia ==		== Trivia ==

imported>Bkdelong: /* Episode screenshots */

2007-02-17T23:52:33Z

Episode screenshots

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	If we're able to get high-res screenshots of Mr. Bennett's license then we should be able to get lots of shots of the various maps including larger photos and names. [[User:Bkdelong\|Bkdelong]] 12:55, 13 February 2007 (EST)		If we're able to get high-res screenshots of Mr. Bennett's license then we should be able to get lots of shots of the various maps including larger photos and names. [[User:Bkdelong\|Bkdelong]] 12:55, 13 February 2007 (EST)

			* OK. Placeholder for all the NBC pictures of The Map. From "Better Halves" and "One Giant Leap". The map in Sylar's appt has quite a lot of items on it. Probably all props but I wouldn't take anything for granted.

			** http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/general/5503.shtml#photo
			** http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/general/5504.shtml#photo
			** http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/general/5505.shtml#photo
			** http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/general/5506.shtml
			** http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/general/5518.shtml#photo
			** http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/general/5520.shtml#photo
			** http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/general/5285.shtml#photo
			** http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/general/5278.shtml#photo
			** http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/general/5280.shtml#photo
			** http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/general/5281.shtml#photo
			** http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/general/5291.shtml#photo

imported>Bkdelong: /* Episode screenshots */

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	== Episode screenshots ==		== Episode screenshots ==

	If we're able to get high-res screenshots of Mr. Bennett's license then we should be able to get lots of shots of the various maps including larger photos and names.		If we're able to get high-res screenshots of Mr. Bennett's license then we should be able to get lots of shots of the various maps including larger photos and names. [[User:Bkdelong\|Bkdelong]] 12:55, 13 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Bkdelong: Episode screenshots

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	*** I didn't mean to sound like I was arguing with your word choice. I merely meant that if it's copied, it's probably just because they grabbed some vaguely political text and pasted it in, expecting that no one would ever really be able to read it. I doubt too much thought went into it. I mean, look at Mr. Bennet's business card ... they're not too subtle with text they actually expect us to read. Still, it would be neat to see where it came from.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:36, 11 February 2007 (EST)		*** I didn't mean to sound like I was arguing with your word choice. I merely meant that if it's copied, it's probably just because they grabbed some vaguely political text and pasted it in, expecting that no one would ever really be able to read it. I doubt too much thought went into it. I mean, look at Mr. Bennet's business card ... they're not too subtle with text they actually expect us to read. Still, it would be neat to see where it came from.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:36, 11 February 2007 (EST)
	**** Yeah, that's pretty much the same way I picture it happening. I wouldn't actually expect someone to have composed a fake article just to put on a show prop that nobody's supposed to read. But I still think it's kind of funny where they got it and that they got caught. Actually, they might have even used a real news clipping from a paper that actually printed that letter to the editor, not knowing that the text was online and could be googled.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 17:09, 11 February 2007 (EST)		**** Yeah, that's pretty much the same way I picture it happening. I wouldn't actually expect someone to have composed a fake article just to put on a show prop that nobody's supposed to read. But I still think it's kind of funny where they got it and that they got caught. Actually, they might have even used a real news clipping from a paper that actually printed that letter to the editor, not knowing that the text was online and could be googled.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 17:09, 11 February 2007 (EST)

			== Episode screenshots ==

			If we're able to get high-res screenshots of Mr. Bennett's license then we should be able to get lots of shots of the various maps including larger photos and names.

imported>ZachsMind: /* Why the Strings? */

2007-02-11T23:07:00Z

Why the Strings?

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	** The only pattern I noticed with the strings is that there is very often another pin where two strings cross. I think of them like "ley lines": mystical lines that cross the earth, and where lines cross there is an increase in magical/metaphysical events (hauntings, monuments, etc). In this case, they have not made it clear in the show why any two people are linked - in an outbreak tracker, you would link them by how they "spread" a disease, and the lines would trace back to a [[Patient Zero\|patient zero]]. Since we are dealing with genetics, at the moment there is only [[power heredity\|inheritance]] to transfer powers... unless [[Chandra]] found that there was some way that people are "given" powers, and he's tracking them with the map. --[[User:Orne\|Orne]] 14:40, 1 February 2007 (EST)		** The only pattern I noticed with the strings is that there is very often another pin where two strings cross. I think of them like "ley lines": mystical lines that cross the earth, and where lines cross there is an increase in magical/metaphysical events (hauntings, monuments, etc). In this case, they have not made it clear in the show why any two people are linked - in an outbreak tracker, you would link them by how they "spread" a disease, and the lines would trace back to a [[Patient Zero\|patient zero]]. Since we are dealing with genetics, at the moment there is only [[power heredity\|inheritance]] to transfer powers... unless [[Chandra]] found that there was some way that people are "given" powers, and he's tracking them with the map. --[[User:Orne\|Orne]] 14:40, 1 February 2007 (EST)
	***Yeah, Not so much. There does seem to be several instances of two pins connected by distinct color string. I still have a hard time believing that there is an equasion that actually pinpoints specific individuals. Maybe something like there may be someone in this part of the country based on population, but "Bill LaPatch can cause Idiocy in those around him, and he lives in Oklahoma City at...". I find that the lamest part of the show.--[[User:ASEO\|ASEO]] 09:50, 2 February 2007 (EST)		***Yeah, Not so much. There does seem to be several instances of two pins connected by distinct color string. I still have a hard time believing that there is an equasion that actually pinpoints specific individuals. Maybe something like there may be someone in this part of the country based on population, but "Bill LaPatch can cause Idiocy in those around him, and he lives in Oklahoma City at...". I find that the lamest part of the show.--[[User:ASEO\|ASEO]] 09:50, 2 February 2007 (EST)
	**** I take the strings to mean exactly the opposite of a correlation. What ~~Chureshwas~~ demonstrating was that there were similar genetic mutations occurring in regards to two or more people on opposing sides of the globe. He was using the strings to demonstrate that there was no geologic correlation between genetic similarities. People living in vastly different parts of the globe were demonstrating remarkably similar abilities, but that they developed totally separate from one another. So it wasn't like drinking water from a certain region would grant you certain mutations. Or perhaps he was using the string to look for these sorts of patterns and the result was cacophany, so he concluded there were no useful correlations, and then was simply too lazy to take down the strings. Also, multi-colored strings on maps just look cool on television. -- [[User:ZachsMind\|ZachsMind]] 18:06, 11 February 2007 (EST)		**** I take the strings to mean exactly the opposite of a correlation. What Chandra was demonstrating was that there were similar genetic mutations occurring in regards to two or more people on opposing sides of the globe. He was using the strings to demonstrate that there was no geologic correlation between genetic similarities. People living in vastly different parts of the globe were demonstrating remarkably similar abilities, but that they developed totally separate from one another. So it wasn't like drinking water from a certain region would grant you certain mutations. Or perhaps he was using the string to look for these sorts of patterns and the result was cacophany, so he concluded there were no useful correlations, and then was simply too lazy to take down the strings. Also, multi-colored strings on maps just look cool on television. -- [[User:ZachsMind\|ZachsMind]] 18:06, 11 February 2007 (EST)

	== Nathan on Sylar's Map ==		== Nathan on Sylar's Map ==

imported>ZachsMind: /* Why the Strings? */

2007-02-11T23:06:33Z

Why the Strings?

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	** The only pattern I noticed with the strings is that there is very often another pin where two strings cross. I think of them like "ley lines": mystical lines that cross the earth, and where lines cross there is an increase in magical/metaphysical events (hauntings, monuments, etc). In this case, they have not made it clear in the show why any two people are linked - in an outbreak tracker, you would link them by how they "spread" a disease, and the lines would trace back to a [[Patient Zero\|patient zero]]. Since we are dealing with genetics, at the moment there is only [[power heredity\|inheritance]] to transfer powers... unless [[Chandra]] found that there was some way that people are "given" powers, and he's tracking them with the map. --[[User:Orne\|Orne]] 14:40, 1 February 2007 (EST)		** The only pattern I noticed with the strings is that there is very often another pin where two strings cross. I think of them like "ley lines": mystical lines that cross the earth, and where lines cross there is an increase in magical/metaphysical events (hauntings, monuments, etc). In this case, they have not made it clear in the show why any two people are linked - in an outbreak tracker, you would link them by how they "spread" a disease, and the lines would trace back to a [[Patient Zero\|patient zero]]. Since we are dealing with genetics, at the moment there is only [[power heredity\|inheritance]] to transfer powers... unless [[Chandra]] found that there was some way that people are "given" powers, and he's tracking them with the map. --[[User:Orne\|Orne]] 14:40, 1 February 2007 (EST)
	***Yeah, Not so much. There does seem to be several instances of two pins connected by distinct color string. I still have a hard time believing that there is an equasion that actually pinpoints specific individuals. Maybe something like there may be someone in this part of the country based on population, but "Bill LaPatch can cause Idiocy in those around him, and he lives in Oklahoma City at...". I find that the lamest part of the show.--[[User:ASEO\|ASEO]] 09:50, 2 February 2007 (EST)		***Yeah, Not so much. There does seem to be several instances of two pins connected by distinct color string. I still have a hard time believing that there is an equasion that actually pinpoints specific individuals. Maybe something like there may be someone in this part of the country based on population, but "Bill LaPatch can cause Idiocy in those around him, and he lives in Oklahoma City at...". I find that the lamest part of the show.--[[User:ASEO\|ASEO]] 09:50, 2 February 2007 (EST)
			**** I take the strings to mean exactly the opposite of a correlation. What Chureshwas demonstrating was that there were similar genetic mutations occurring in regards to two or more people on opposing sides of the globe. He was using the strings to demonstrate that there was no geologic correlation between genetic similarities. People living in vastly different parts of the globe were demonstrating remarkably similar abilities, but that they developed totally separate from one another. So it wasn't like drinking water from a certain region would grant you certain mutations. Or perhaps he was using the string to look for these sorts of patterns and the result was cacophany, so he concluded there were no useful correlations, and then was simply too lazy to take down the strings. Also, multi-colored strings on maps just look cool on television. -- [[User:ZachsMind\|ZachsMind]] 18:06, 11 February 2007 (EST)

	== Nathan on Sylar's Map ==		== Nathan on Sylar's Map ==

imported>E rowe: /* Nathan on Sylar's Map */

2007-02-11T22:09:50Z

Nathan on Sylar's Map

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	** Given that this is only a discussion page I don't see why it matters if a strong word is used, particularly since it's accurate. I am not passing judgment about it. But it would be nice to see the article.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 16:08, 11 February 2007 (EST)		** Given that this is only a discussion page I don't see why it matters if a strong word is used, particularly since it's accurate. I am not passing judgment about it. But it would be nice to see the article.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 16:08, 11 February 2007 (EST)
	*** I didn't mean to sound like I was arguing with your word choice. I merely meant that if it's copied, it's probably just because they grabbed some vaguely political text and pasted it in, expecting that no one would ever really be able to read it. I doubt too much thought went into it. I mean, look at Mr. Bennet's business card ... they're not too subtle with text they actually expect us to read. Still, it would be neat to see where it came from.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:36, 11 February 2007 (EST)		*** I didn't mean to sound like I was arguing with your word choice. I merely meant that if it's copied, it's probably just because they grabbed some vaguely political text and pasted it in, expecting that no one would ever really be able to read it. I doubt too much thought went into it. I mean, look at Mr. Bennet's business card ... they're not too subtle with text they actually expect us to read. Still, it would be neat to see where it came from.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:36, 11 February 2007 (EST)
			**** Yeah, that's pretty much the same way I picture it happening. I wouldn't actually expect someone to have composed a fake article just to put on a show prop that nobody's supposed to read. But I still think it's kind of funny where they got it and that they got caught. Actually, they might have even used a real news clipping from a paper that actually printed that letter to the editor, not knowing that the text was online and could be googled.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 17:09, 11 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Hardvice at 21:36, 11 February 2007

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	* "Plagiarized" is a little strong for a prop that was probably never intended to be read by anyone or shown in enough detail to be legible.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:55, 11 February 2007 (EST)		* "Plagiarized" is a little strong for a prop that was probably never intended to be read by anyone or shown in enough detail to be legible.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:55, 11 February 2007 (EST)
	** Given that this is only a discussion page I don't see why it matters if a strong word is used, particularly since it's accurate. I am not passing judgment about it. But it would be nice to see the article.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 16:08, 11 February 2007 (EST)		** Given that this is only a discussion page I don't see why it matters if a strong word is used, particularly since it's accurate. I am not passing judgment about it. But it would be nice to see the article.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 16:08, 11 February 2007 (EST)
			*** I didn't mean to sound like I was arguing with your word choice. I merely meant that if it's copied, it's probably just because they grabbed some vaguely political text and pasted it in, expecting that no one would ever really be able to read it. I doubt too much thought went into it. I mean, look at Mr. Bennet's business card ... they're not too subtle with text they actually expect us to read. Still, it would be neat to see where it came from.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:36, 11 February 2007 (EST)

imported>E rowe: /* Nathan on Sylar's Map */

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Nathan on Sylar's Map

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	Somebody on a 9th Wonder's board has transcribed the text of the newspaper clipping about Nathan on Sylar's map [http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?s=&showtopic=26362&view=findpost&p=140255 here]. I can't find a good enough picture of the clipping to verify what he wrote. However, if that really is a transcription of the article on the map, then it was plagiarized from [http://www.unitedjerusalem.org/index2.asp?id=608693 this] form letter to the editor. Could anybody upload a good picture of as much of that news clipping as can be recovered so we can verify it? I think that would be a pretty interesting bit of trivia. --[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 15:10, 11 February 2007 (EST)		Somebody on a 9th Wonder's board has transcribed the text of the newspaper clipping about Nathan on Sylar's map [http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?s=&showtopic=26362&view=findpost&p=140255 here]. I can't find a good enough picture of the clipping to verify what he wrote. However, if that really is a transcription of the article on the map, then it was plagiarized from [http://www.unitedjerusalem.org/index2.asp?id=608693 this] form letter to the editor. Could anybody upload a good picture of as much of that news clipping as can be recovered so we can verify it? I think that would be a pretty interesting bit of trivia. --[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 15:10, 11 February 2007 (EST)
	* "Plagiarized" is a little strong for a prop that was probably never intended to be read by anyone or shown in enough detail to be legible.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:55, 11 February 2007 (EST)		* "Plagiarized" is a little strong for a prop that was probably never intended to be read by anyone or shown in enough detail to be legible.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:55, 11 February 2007 (EST)
			** Given that this is only a discussion page I don't see why it matters if a strong word is used, particularly since it's accurate. I am not passing judgment about it. But it would be nice to see the article.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 16:08, 11 February 2007 (EST)

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	** Given that this is only a discussion page I don't see why it matters if a strong word is used, particularly since it's accurate. I am not passing judgment about it. But it would be nice to see the article.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 16:08, 11 February 2007 (EST)		** Given that this is only a discussion page I don't see why it matters if a strong word is used, particularly since it's accurate. I am not passing judgment about it. But it would be nice to see the article.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 16:08, 11 February 2007 (EST)
	*** I didn't mean to sound like I was arguing with your word choice. I merely meant that if it's copied, it's probably just because they grabbed some vaguely political text and pasted it in, expecting that no one would ever really be able to read it. I doubt too much thought went into it. I mean, look at Mr. Bennet's business card ... they're not too subtle with text they actually expect us to read. Still, it would be neat to see where it came from.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:36, 11 February 2007 (EST)		*** I didn't mean to sound like I was arguing with your word choice. I merely meant that if it's copied, it's probably just because they grabbed some vaguely political text and pasted it in, expecting that no one would ever really be able to read it. I doubt too much thought went into it. I mean, look at Mr. Bennet's business card ... they're not too subtle with text they actually expect us to read. Still, it would be neat to see where it came from.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:36, 11 February 2007 (EST)
			**** Yeah, that's pretty much the same way I picture it happening. I wouldn't actually expect someone to have composed a fake article just to put on a show prop that nobody's supposed to read. But I still think it's kind of funny where they got it and that they got caught. Actually, they might have even used a real news clipping from a paper that actually printed that letter to the editor, not knowing that the text was online and could be googled.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 17:09, 11 February 2007 (EST)

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	* "Plagiarized" is a little strong for a prop that was probably never intended to be read by anyone or shown in enough detail to be legible.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:55, 11 February 2007 (EST)		* "Plagiarized" is a little strong for a prop that was probably never intended to be read by anyone or shown in enough detail to be legible.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:55, 11 February 2007 (EST)
	** Given that this is only a discussion page I don't see why it matters if a strong word is used, particularly since it's accurate. I am not passing judgment about it. But it would be nice to see the article.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 16:08, 11 February 2007 (EST)		** Given that this is only a discussion page I don't see why it matters if a strong word is used, particularly since it's accurate. I am not passing judgment about it. But it would be nice to see the article.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 16:08, 11 February 2007 (EST)
			*** I didn't mean to sound like I was arguing with your word choice. I merely meant that if it's copied, it's probably just because they grabbed some vaguely political text and pasted it in, expecting that no one would ever really be able to read it. I doubt too much thought went into it. I mean, look at Mr. Bennet's business card ... they're not too subtle with text they actually expect us to read. Still, it would be neat to see where it came from.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 16:36, 11 February 2007 (EST)

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	Somebody on a 9th Wonder's board has transcribed the text of the newspaper clipping about Nathan on Sylar's map [http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?s=&showtopic=26362&view=findpost&p=140255 here]. I can't find a good enough picture of the clipping to verify what he wrote. However, if that really is a transcription of the article on the map, then it was plagiarized from [http://www.unitedjerusalem.org/index2.asp?id=608693 this] form letter to the editor. Could anybody upload a good picture of as much of that news clipping as can be recovered so we can verify it? I think that would be a pretty interesting bit of trivia. --[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 15:10, 11 February 2007 (EST)		Somebody on a 9th Wonder's board has transcribed the text of the newspaper clipping about Nathan on Sylar's map [http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?s=&showtopic=26362&view=findpost&p=140255 here]. I can't find a good enough picture of the clipping to verify what he wrote. However, if that really is a transcription of the article on the map, then it was plagiarized from [http://www.unitedjerusalem.org/index2.asp?id=608693 this] form letter to the editor. Could anybody upload a good picture of as much of that news clipping as can be recovered so we can verify it? I think that would be a pretty interesting bit of trivia. --[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 15:10, 11 February 2007 (EST)
	* "Plagiarized" is a little strong for a prop that was probably never intended to be read by anyone or shown in enough detail to be legible.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:55, 11 February 2007 (EST)		* "Plagiarized" is a little strong for a prop that was probably never intended to be read by anyone or shown in enough detail to be legible.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:55, 11 February 2007 (EST)
			** Given that this is only a discussion page I don't see why it matters if a strong word is used, particularly since it's accurate. I am not passing judgment about it. But it would be nice to see the article.--[[User:E rowe\|E rowe]] 16:08, 11 February 2007 (EST)