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	**** So here we go, I think I have this straight in my head (The ep. is not available for my to review in detail currently.), have your favored pain releiver handy.		**** So here we go, I think I have this straight in my head (The ep. is not available for my to review in detail currently.), have your favored pain releiver handy.

	~~****~~The current official timeline proceeds as such; Hiro and Ando arrive at the BTD. Hiro meets Charlie they start to fall in love. Sylar meets Charlie and covets her power. Sylar attempts to kill Charlie, but is saved by future Hiro who sends him to Odessa via bus. Future Hiro returns to Charlie, after sending himself to 6 months in the past to get to know her, who is starting to die from her condition. Future Hiro retrieves Sylar and has him repair the damage. Sylar finds a new sense of fear for dieing alone and unwanted. Charlie becomes angry with Future Hiro then they reconcile, they leave to go to Otsu but Samuel has Charlie transpported to the past where she has a family...etc. Hiro returns from the past, perhaps with somewhat less regret at having failed to save a Charlie he had no knowledge was about to die.		The current official timeline proceeds as such; Hiro and Ando arrive at the BTD. Hiro meets Charlie they start to fall in love. Sylar meets Charlie and covets her power. Sylar attempts to kill Charlie, but is saved by future Hiro who sends him to Odessa via bus. Future Hiro returns to Charlie, after sending himself to 6 months in the past to get to know her, who is starting to die from her condition. Future Hiro retrieves Sylar and has him repair the damage. Sylar finds a new sense of fear for dieing alone and unwanted. Charlie becomes angry with Future Hiro then they reconcile, they leave to go to Otsu but Samuel has Charlie transpported to the past where she has a family...etc. Hiro returns from the past, perhaps with somewhat less regret at having failed to save a Charlie he had no knowledge was about to die.

	~~****~~The Alternate timeline is as follows; Hiro and Ando arrive at BTD. Hiro meets Charlie they start to fall in love. Sylar meets Charlie and covets her power. Sylar kills Charlie and Hiro travels back 6 months to save her. Hiro fails teleporting back to Tokyo from which he sets out to rejoin Ando at the BTD, he is powerless and mournful because of his failure.		The Alternate timeline is as follows; Hiro and Ando arrive at BTD. Hiro meets Charlie they start to fall in love. Sylar meets Charlie and covets her power. Sylar kills Charlie and Hiro travels back 6 months to save her. Hiro fails teleporting back to Tokyo from which he sets out to rejoin Ando at the BTD, he is powerless and mournful because of his failure.

	~~****~~I don't believe Charlie should have seperate personas as a result of the events, but her lack of continued existance does create an alternate future. I.E. no descendents (that we know of), no spouse (that we know of) no life long freinds that would have developed , etc. So in the same sense that we would still call the explosion future an alternate 'future' even though the catalyst is in the shows objective past, it could be considered that the Charlie dies future fits the same alternate future criteria (lacking only in the regard of having canonical evidence of the results in the altered future, since we have to assume all canonical events post catalyst are the same). The events of the alternate future would be, Charlies death (Seven Minutes To Midnight) and Hiro's 'need' going back to the past to save her from Sylar only to fail (Seven Minutes To Midnight, Saving Charlie). These events in the normal timeline would be replaced with the new alterations (Sylar attempts to kill Charlie but is saved by future Hiro, Hiro travels to the past to foster a relationship with Charlie).		I don't believe Charlie should have seperate personas as a result of the events, but her lack of continued existance does create an alternate future. I.E. no descendents (that we know of), no spouse (that we know of) no life long freinds that would have developed , etc. So in the same sense that we would still call the explosion future an alternate 'future' even though the catalyst is in the shows objective past, it could be considered that the Charlie dies future fits the same alternate future criteria (lacking only in the regard of having canonical evidence of the results in the altered future, since we have to assume all canonical events post catalyst are the same). The events of the alternate future would be, Charlies death (Seven Minutes To Midnight) and Hiro's 'need' going back to the past to save her from Sylar only to fail (Seven Minutes To Midnight, Saving Charlie). These events in the normal timeline would be replaced with the new alterations (Sylar attempts to kill Charlie but is saved by future Hiro, Hiro travels to the past to foster a relationship with Charlie).

	~~****~~And to correct something I had stated before; the alternate past is something noone, not even Hiro would remember, considering that his experiences would be different when he went back to 'save' Charlie.		And to correct something I had stated before; the alternate past is something noone, not even Hiro would remember, considering that his experiences would be different when he went back to 'save' Charlie.

	--[[User:Masterhiro\|Masterhiro]] 03:46, 9 March 2010 (EST)		--[[User:Masterhiro\|Masterhiro]] 03:46, 9 March 2010 (EST)

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	**** So here we go, I think I have this straight in my head (The ep. is not available for my to review in detail currently.), have your favored pain releiver handy.		**** So here we go, I think I have this straight in my head (The ep. is not available for my to review in detail currently.), have your favored pain releiver handy.

	The current official timeline proceeds as such; Hiro and Ando arrive at the BTD. Hiro meets Charlie they start to fall in love. Sylar meets Charlie and covets her power. Sylar attempts to kill Charlie, but is saved by future Hiro who sends him to Odessa via bus. Future Hiro returns to Charlie, after sending himself to 6 months in the past to get to know her, who is starting to die from her condition. Future Hiro retrieves Sylar and has him repair the damage. Sylar finds a new sense of fear for dieing alone and unwanted. Charlie becomes angry with Future Hiro then they reconcile, they leave to go to Otsu but Samuel has Charlie transpported to the past where she has a family...etc. Hiro returns from the past, perhaps with somewhat less regret at having failed to save a Charlie he had no knowledge was about to die.		****The current official timeline proceeds as such; Hiro and Ando arrive at the BTD. Hiro meets Charlie they start to fall in love. Sylar meets Charlie and covets her power. Sylar attempts to kill Charlie, but is saved by future Hiro who sends him to Odessa via bus. Future Hiro returns to Charlie, after sending himself to 6 months in the past to get to know her, who is starting to die from her condition. Future Hiro retrieves Sylar and has him repair the damage. Sylar finds a new sense of fear for dieing alone and unwanted. Charlie becomes angry with Future Hiro then they reconcile, they leave to go to Otsu but Samuel has Charlie transpported to the past where she has a family...etc. Hiro returns from the past, perhaps with somewhat less regret at having failed to save a Charlie he had no knowledge was about to die.

	The Alternate timeline is as follows; Hiro and Ando arrive at BTD. Hiro meets Charlie they start to fall in love. Sylar meets Charlie and covets her power. Sylar kills Charlie and Hiro travels back 6 months to save her. Hiro fails teleporting back to Tokyo from which he sets out to rejoin Ando at the BTD, he is powerless and mournful because of his failure.		****The Alternate timeline is as follows; Hiro and Ando arrive at BTD. Hiro meets Charlie they start to fall in love. Sylar meets Charlie and covets her power. Sylar kills Charlie and Hiro travels back 6 months to save her. Hiro fails teleporting back to Tokyo from which he sets out to rejoin Ando at the BTD, he is powerless and mournful because of his failure.

	I don't believe Charlie should have seperate personas as a result of the events, but her lack of continued existance does create an alternate future. I.E. no descendents (that we know of), no spouse (that we know of) no life long freinds that would have developed , etc. So in the same sense that we would still call the explosion future an alternate 'future' even though the catalyst is in the shows objective past, it could be considered that the Charlie dies future fits the same alternate future criteria (lacking only in the regard of having canonical evidence of the results in the altered future, since we have to assume all canonical events post catalyst are the same). The events of the alternate future would be, Charlies death (Seven Minutes To Midnight) and Hiro's 'need' going back to the past to save her from Sylar only to fail (Seven Minutes To Midnight, Saving Charlie). These events in the normal timeline would be replaced with the new alterations (Sylar attempts to kill Charlie but is saved by future Hiro, Hiro travels to the past to foster a relationship with Charlie).		****I don't believe Charlie should have seperate personas as a result of the events, but her lack of continued existance does create an alternate future. I.E. no descendents (that we know of), no spouse (that we know of) no life long freinds that would have developed , etc. So in the same sense that we would still call the explosion future an alternate 'future' even though the catalyst is in the shows objective past, it could be considered that the Charlie dies future fits the same alternate future criteria (lacking only in the regard of having canonical evidence of the results in the altered future, since we have to assume all canonical events post catalyst are the same). The events of the alternate future would be, Charlies death (Seven Minutes To Midnight) and Hiro's 'need' going back to the past to save her from Sylar only to fail (Seven Minutes To Midnight, Saving Charlie). These events in the normal timeline would be replaced with the new alterations (Sylar attempts to kill Charlie but is saved by future Hiro, Hiro travels to the past to foster a relationship with Charlie).

	And to correct something I had stated before; the alternate past is something noone, not even Hiro would remember, considering that his experiences would be different when he went back to 'save' Charlie.		****And to correct something I had stated before; the alternate past is something noone, not even Hiro would remember, considering that his experiences would be different when he went back to 'save' Charlie.

	--[[User:Masterhiro\|Masterhiro]] 03:46, 9 March 2010 (EST)		--[[User:Masterhiro\|Masterhiro]] 03:46, 9 March 2010 (EST)

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	**I think what Masterhiro is trying to say is that we should consider somehow splitting information from the "Charlie Dies Timeline" from the ultimate "real timeline" presented in the show since "Once Upon a Time in Texas" (kind of like we do with the possible futures). That doesn't seem possible or feasible right now, but there are a few projects currently in the works that could revamp the timeline pages, and hopefully acknowledge the problem of our three-season "alternate timeline."--[[User:Tim Thomason\|Tim Thomason]] 23:43, 7 March 2010 (EST)		**I think what Masterhiro is trying to say is that we should consider somehow splitting information from the "Charlie Dies Timeline" from the ultimate "real timeline" presented in the show since "Once Upon a Time in Texas" (kind of like we do with the possible futures). That doesn't seem possible or feasible right now, but there are a few projects currently in the works that could revamp the timeline pages, and hopefully acknowledge the problem of our three-season "alternate timeline."--[[User:Tim Thomason\|Tim Thomason]] 23:43, 7 March 2010 (EST)
	*** I don't think we need to split the character. It's the same character....as opposed to the alternate future timelines, which feature characters who are markedly different than the characters in the present. That's not the case with Charlie's non-death. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:00, 8 March 2010 (EST)		*** I don't think we need to split the character. It's the same character....as opposed to the alternate future timelines, which feature characters who are markedly different than the characters in the present. That's not the case with Charlie's non-death. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:00, 8 March 2010 (EST)
			**** So here we go, I think I have this straight in my head (The ep. is not available for my to review in detail currently.), have your favored pain releiver handy.

			The current official timeline proceeds as such; Hiro and Ando arrive at the BTD. Hiro meets Charlie they start to fall in love. Sylar meets Charlie and covets her power. Sylar attempts to kill Charlie, but is saved by future Hiro who sends him to Odessa via bus. Future Hiro returns to Charlie, after sending himself to 6 months in the past to get to know her, who is starting to die from her condition. Future Hiro retrieves Sylar and has him repair the damage. Sylar finds a new sense of fear for dieing alone and unwanted. Charlie becomes angry with Future Hiro then they reconcile, they leave to go to Otsu but Samuel has Charlie transpported to the past where she has a family...etc. Hiro returns from the past, perhaps with somewhat less regret at having failed to save a Charlie he had no knowledge was about to die.

			The Alternate timeline is as follows; Hiro and Ando arrive at BTD. Hiro meets Charlie they start to fall in love. Sylar meets Charlie and covets her power. Sylar kills Charlie and Hiro travels back 6 months to save her. Hiro fails teleporting back to Tokyo from which he sets out to rejoin Ando at the BTD, he is powerless and mournful because of his failure.

			I don't believe Charlie should have seperate personas as a result of the events, but her lack of continued existance does create an alternate future. I.E. no descendents (that we know of), no spouse (that we know of) no life long freinds that would have developed , etc. So in the same sense that we would still call the explosion future an alternate 'future' even though the catalyst is in the shows objective past, it could be considered that the Charlie dies future fits the same alternate future criteria (lacking only in the regard of having canonical evidence of the results in the altered future, since we have to assume all canonical events post catalyst are the same). The events of the alternate future would be, Charlies death (Seven Minutes To Midnight) and Hiro's 'need' going back to the past to save her from Sylar only to fail (Seven Minutes To Midnight, Saving Charlie). These events in the normal timeline would be replaced with the new alterations (Sylar attempts to kill Charlie but is saved by future Hiro, Hiro travels to the past to foster a relationship with Charlie).

			And to correct something I had stated before; the alternate past is something noone, not even Hiro would remember, considering that his experiences would be different when he went back to 'save' Charlie.

			--[[User:Masterhiro\|Masterhiro]] 03:46, 9 March 2010 (EST)

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	* Yes, I agree that Hiro changed the course of events, and Charlie's death is now part of an altered timeline. Similarly, so are [[Hiro Nakamura (explosion future)\|Soul Patch Hiro]], [[Claire Bennet (exposed future)\|Leather Clad Claire]], and [[Caitlin\|Caitlin's existence]]. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:48, 7 March 2010 (EST)		* Yes, I agree that Hiro changed the course of events, and Charlie's death is now part of an altered timeline. Similarly, so are [[Hiro Nakamura (explosion future)\|Soul Patch Hiro]], [[Claire Bennet (exposed future)\|Leather Clad Claire]], and [[Caitlin\|Caitlin's existence]]. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:48, 7 March 2010 (EST)
	**I think what Masterhiro is trying to say is that we should consider somehow splitting information from the "Charlie Dies Timeline" from the ultimate "real timeline" presented in the show since "Once Upon a Time in Texas" (kind of like we do with the possible futures). That doesn't seem possible or feasible right now, but there are a few projects currently in the works that could revamp the timeline pages, and hopefully acknowledge the problem of our three-season "alternate timeline."--[[User:Tim Thomason\|Tim Thomason]] 23:43, 7 March 2010 (EST)		**I think what Masterhiro is trying to say is that we should consider somehow splitting information from the "Charlie Dies Timeline" from the ultimate "real timeline" presented in the show since "Once Upon a Time in Texas" (kind of like we do with the possible futures). That doesn't seem possible or feasible right now, but there are a few projects currently in the works that could revamp the timeline pages, and hopefully acknowledge the problem of our three-season "alternate timeline."--[[User:Tim Thomason\|Tim Thomason]] 23:43, 7 March 2010 (EST)
			*** I don't think we need to split the character. It's the same character....as opposed to the alternate future timelines, which feature characters who are markedly different than the characters in the present. That's not the case with Charlie's non-death. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:00, 8 March 2010 (EST)

imported>Tim Thomason: /* Charlies Andrews death is now an alternate timeline. */

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	* Yes, I agree that Hiro changed the course of events, and Charlie's death is now part of an altered timeline. Similarly, so are [[Hiro Nakamura (explosion future)\|Soul Patch Hiro]], [[Claire Bennet (exposed future)\|Leather Clad Claire]], and [[Caitlin\|Caitlin's existence]]. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:48, 7 March 2010 (EST)		* Yes, I agree that Hiro changed the course of events, and Charlie's death is now part of an altered timeline. Similarly, so are [[Hiro Nakamura (explosion future)\|Soul Patch Hiro]], [[Claire Bennet (exposed future)\|Leather Clad Claire]], and [[Caitlin\|Caitlin's existence]]. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:48, 7 March 2010 (EST)
			**I think what Masterhiro is trying to say is that we should consider somehow splitting information from the "Charlie Dies Timeline" from the ultimate "real timeline" presented in the show since "Once Upon a Time in Texas" (kind of like we do with the possible futures). That doesn't seem possible or feasible right now, but there are a few projects currently in the works that could revamp the timeline pages, and hopefully acknowledge the problem of our three-season "alternate timeline."--[[User:Tim Thomason\|Tim Thomason]] 23:43, 7 March 2010 (EST)

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			* Yes, I agree that Hiro changed the course of events, and Charlie's death is now part of an altered timeline. Similarly, so are [[Hiro Nakamura (explosion future)\|Soul Patch Hiro]], [[Claire Bennet (exposed future)\|Leather Clad Claire]], and [[Caitlin\|Caitlin's existence]]. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:48, 7 March 2010 (EST)

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	== Charlies Andrews death is now an alternate timeline. ==		== Charlies Andrews death is now an alternate timeline. ==

	~~<nowiki>~~The facts as simply as can be stated;		The facts as simply as can be stated;

	As we see in 'Homecoming' Charlie is killed by Sylar and witnessed by Hiro and Ando. Hiro's response is to time travel back 6 monthes in an attempt to save her. At which he fails.		As we see in 'Homecoming' Charlie is killed by Sylar and witnessed by Hiro and Ando. Hiro's response is to time travel back 6 monthes in an attempt to save her. At which he fails.
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	Just some food for thought, but potentially a consideration for the HeroesWiki staff as the 'Charlie Dies Timeline' is certainly not in the mainstream (only Hiro retains any knowledge of it).		Just some food for thought, but potentially a consideration for the HeroesWiki staff as the 'Charlie Dies Timeline' is certainly not in the mainstream (only Hiro retains any knowledge of it).

	Masterhiro~~</nowiki>~~		Masterhiro

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	I suggest this creates a temporal event, specifically an altered past. Her children, who would not have been born in that past, create an alternate future (i.e. her altered past is an altered future from the perspective of the shows timeline).		I suggest this creates a temporal event, specifically an altered past. Her children, who would not have been born in that past, create an alternate future (i.e. her altered past is an altered future from the perspective of the shows timeline).

	Just some food for thought, but potentially a consideration for the HeroesWiki staff as the 'Charlie Dies Timeline' is certainly not in the mainstream (only Hiro retains any knowledge of it).~~</nowiki>~~		Just some food for thought, but potentially a consideration for the HeroesWiki staff as the 'Charlie Dies Timeline' is certainly not in the mainstream (only Hiro retains any knowledge of it).

			Masterhiro</nowiki>

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	*O.0 Wow, wall of text. From what I can gather (not everything though, too much info at once), your timeline appears to be correct, I mean, it makes sense. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 12:29, 21 September 2009 (EDT)		*O.0 Wow, wall of text. From what I can gather (not everything though, too much info at once), your timeline appears to be correct, I mean, it makes sense. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 12:29, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

			== Charlies Andrews death is now an alternate timeline. ==

			<nowiki>The facts as simply as can be stated;

			As we see in 'Homecoming' Charlie is killed by Sylar and witnessed by Hiro and Ando. Hiro's response is to time travel back 6 monthes in an attempt to save her. At which he fails.

			But, as we see in 'Once Upon A Time In Texas' Hiro is both able to save Charlie and have her healed of her condition. Meaning that all evens from the moment Charlie starts opening the can to Hiro's return are now in another timeline. further Hiro is able to meet with and talk to Charlie in the episode 'Brave New World' demonstrating that she is still alive and her life was altered by the events of Volume 5.

			I suggest this creates a temporal event, specifically an altered past. Her children, who would not have been born in that past, create an alternate future (i.e. her altered past is an altered future from the perspective of the shows timeline).

			Just some food for thought, but potentially a consideration for the HeroesWiki staff as the 'Charlie Dies Timeline' is certainly not in the mainstream (only Hiro retains any knowledge of it).</nowiki>