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imported>MiamiVolts: /* Implementation for multiple archives */

2008-02-10T07:35:03Z

Implementation for multiple archives

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imported>MiamiVolts: /* Implementation for multiple archives */

2008-02-10T07:35:03Z

Implementation for multiple archives

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	******** DPL has a debug option to display pre encased html instead, but using that will mess up the added formatting used by this template. DPL also has an allowcachedresults parameter that can store the results so it doesn't update on every call, though I'm not sure if that would help in this case, but might be worth a try.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)		******** DPL has a debug option to display pre encased html instead, but using that will mess up the added formatting used by this template. DPL also has an allowcachedresults parameter that can store the results so it doesn't update on every call, though I'm not sure if that would help in this case, but might be worth a try.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)
	********* I just added the allowcachedresults parameter. If nothing else, it should lessen the load on the server since the articles should cache and not update on every load. The help said the standard time is at max once every 1.5 hours and only if the page is loaded at that time. Otherwise, the update should occur whenever it gets loaded after that period of time. Also, if you want to see the current results, you can add "&action=purge" to the url/command line.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:56, 10 February 2008 (EST)		********* I just added the allowcachedresults parameter. If nothing else, it should lessen the load on the server since the articles should cache and not update on every load. The help said the standard time is at max once every 1.5 hours and only if the page is loaded at that time. Otherwise, the update should occur whenever it gets loaded after that period of time. Also, if you want to see the current results, you can add "&action=purge" to the url/command line.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:56, 10 February 2008 (EST)

			== Implementation for multiple archives ==
			I've added documentation for using this template for more than 3 archives. The current solution is to view the source 3 archives at a time using view->source and then to convert the html to wiki markup using WikiConverter. [[User talk:Hardvice]]'s talk page now displays the ArchiveLinks using this method.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 02:35, 10 February 2008 (EST)

	== Limits ==		== Limits ==
	* Admin, please take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template limits\|Wikipedia's template limit]] help. It explains how the limit works, and then examine this template in particular. The template has several subtemplates to make the coding easier. The DPL is being called 20 times for each ArchiveLinks call, and there's 10 archivelinks calls on Hardvice's page, so that's 50k20 dpl calls = 1MB 10 template calls = 10MB. Of course, Hardvice's archives are a little less than 50k, so that's why the 3rd ArchiveLinks call works. I'll try to demodularize some to reduce the calls, but it's not entirely the fault of DPL. It's the way this template uses dpl to get the links, and it could probably be improved..--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)		* Admin, please take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template limits\|Wikipedia's template limit]] help. It explains how the limit works, and then examine this template in particular. The template has several subtemplates to make the coding easier. The DPL is being called 20 times for each ArchiveLinks call, and there's 10 archivelinks calls on Hardvice's page, so that's 50k20 dpl calls = 1MB 10 template calls = 10MB. Of course, Hardvice's archives are a little less than 50k, so that's why the 3rd ArchiveLinks call works. I'll try to demodularize some to reduce the calls, but it's not entirely the fault of DPL. It's the way this template uses dpl to get the links, and it could probably be improved..--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: /* 20 section limit */ note about caching

2008-02-10T05:56:24Z

20 section limit: note about caching

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	******* Particularly in this case, where we're talking about archived content that's not really dynamic. Is there an easy way to substitute the results of a DPL query? The topic headings in an archived page shouldn't change, and don't really need to be calculated on the fly every time.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 19:41, 9 February 2008 (EST)		******* Particularly in this case, where we're talking about archived content that's not really dynamic. Is there an easy way to substitute the results of a DPL query? The topic headings in an archived page shouldn't change, and don't really need to be calculated on the fly every time.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 19:41, 9 February 2008 (EST)
	******** DPL has a debug option to display pre encased html instead, but using that will mess up the added formatting used by this template. DPL also has an allowcachedresults parameter that can store the results so it doesn't update on every call, though I'm not sure if that would help in this case, but might be worth a try.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)		******** DPL has a debug option to display pre encased html instead, but using that will mess up the added formatting used by this template. DPL also has an allowcachedresults parameter that can store the results so it doesn't update on every call, though I'm not sure if that would help in this case, but might be worth a try.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)
			********* I just added the allowcachedresults parameter. If nothing else, it should lessen the load on the server since the articles should cache and not update on every load. The help said the standard time is at max once every 1.5 hours and only if the page is loaded at that time. Otherwise, the update should occur whenever it gets loaded after that period of time. Also, if you want to see the current results, you can add "&action=purge" to the url/command line.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:56, 10 February 2008 (EST)
			== Limits ==
	* Admin, please take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template limits\|Wikipedia's template limit]] help. It explains how the limit works, and then examine this template in particular. The template has several subtemplates to make the coding easier. The DPL is being called 20 times for each ArchiveLinks call, and there's 10 archivelinks calls on Hardvice's page, so that's 50k20 dpl calls = 1MB 10 template calls = 10MB. Of course, Hardvice's archives are a little less than 50k, so that's why the 3rd ArchiveLinks call works. I'll try to demodularize some to reduce the calls, but it's not entirely the fault of DPL. It's the way this template uses dpl to get the links, and it could probably be improved..--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)		* Admin, please take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template limits\|Wikipedia's template limit]] help. It explains how the limit works, and then examine this template in particular. The template has several subtemplates to make the coding easier. The DPL is being called 20 times for each ArchiveLinks call, and there's 10 archivelinks calls on Hardvice's page, so that's 50k20 dpl calls = 1MB 10 template calls = 10MB. Of course, Hardvice's archives are a little less than 50k, so that's why the 3rd ArchiveLinks call works. I'll try to demodularize some to reduce the calls, but it's not entirely the fault of DPL. It's the way this template uses dpl to get the links, and it could probably be improved..--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)
	** The fact that it requires 20 DPL calls in order to return the 20 sections of an article is where I consider the fault to be. Now, I guess it could be argued that it's not DPL's fault and we're just using it in an unintended manner, and I'll happily grant that. :) Unless there's some other way to get DPL to do this kind of thing neatly, I suspect we'll end up not using DPL for this in the long run. As Hardvice pointed out, archives don't really change by definition so there's not a need for it to be dynamic. I think in the long run I'll just write a bot that takes care of it and we'll just be able to add pages we want auto-archived into a "Category:Auto-Archive" or something. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:03, 9 February 2008 (EST))		** The fact that it requires 20 DPL calls in order to return the 20 sections of an article is where I consider the fault to be. Now, I guess it could be argued that it's not DPL's fault and we're just using it in an unintended manner, and I'll happily grant that. :) Unless there's some other way to get DPL to do this kind of thing neatly, I suspect we'll end up not using DPL for this in the long run. As Hardvice pointed out, archives don't really change by definition so there's not a need for it to be dynamic. I think in the long run I'll just write a bot that takes care of it and we'll just be able to add pages we want auto-archived into a "Category:Auto-Archive" or something. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:03, 9 February 2008 (EST))

imported>Admin: /* 20 section limit */

2008-02-10T03:03:08Z

20 section limit

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	******** DPL has a debug option to display pre encased html instead, but using that will mess up the added formatting used by this template. DPL also has an allowcachedresults parameter that can store the results so it doesn't update on every call, though I'm not sure if that would help in this case, but might be worth a try.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)		******** DPL has a debug option to display pre encased html instead, but using that will mess up the added formatting used by this template. DPL also has an allowcachedresults parameter that can store the results so it doesn't update on every call, though I'm not sure if that would help in this case, but might be worth a try.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)
	* Admin, please take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template limits\|Wikipedia's template limit]] help. It explains how the limit works, and then examine this template in particular. The template has several subtemplates to make the coding easier. The DPL is being called 20 times for each ArchiveLinks call, and there's 10 archivelinks calls on Hardvice's page, so that's 50k20 dpl calls = 1MB 10 template calls = 10MB. Of course, Hardvice's archives are a little less than 50k, so that's why the 3rd ArchiveLinks call works. I'll try to demodularize some to reduce the calls, but it's not entirely the fault of DPL. It's the way this template uses dpl to get the links, and it could probably be improved..--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)		* Admin, please take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template limits\|Wikipedia's template limit]] help. It explains how the limit works, and then examine this template in particular. The template has several subtemplates to make the coding easier. The DPL is being called 20 times for each ArchiveLinks call, and there's 10 archivelinks calls on Hardvice's page, so that's 50k20 dpl calls = 1MB 10 template calls = 10MB. Of course, Hardvice's archives are a little less than 50k, so that's why the 3rd ArchiveLinks call works. I'll try to demodularize some to reduce the calls, but it's not entirely the fault of DPL. It's the way this template uses dpl to get the links, and it could probably be improved..--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)
			** The fact that it requires 20 DPL calls in order to return the 20 sections of an article is where I consider the fault to be. Now, I guess it could be argued that it's not DPL's fault and we're just using it in an unintended manner, and I'll happily grant that. :) Unless there's some other way to get DPL to do this kind of thing neatly, I suspect we'll end up not using DPL for this in the long run. As Hardvice pointed out, archives don't really change by definition so there's not a need for it to be dynamic. I think in the long run I'll just write a bot that takes care of it and we'll just be able to add pages we want auto-archived into a "Category:Auto-Archive" or something. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:03, 9 February 2008 (EST))


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imported>MiamiVolts: /* 20 section limit */ replies

2008-02-10T02:58:05Z

20 section limit: replies

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	****** The default is 2MB. If DPL is working in a way that it's generating more than 2MB of data (even if it's not being displayed) out of archives that are under 50k a piece, then DPL is terribly inefficient. The 2MB limit is in place to help prevent resource issues and I'm hesitant to change it as 2MB should be more than enough if the DPL extension is reasonably designed. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:32, 9 February 2008 (EST))		****** The default is 2MB. If DPL is working in a way that it's generating more than 2MB of data (even if it's not being displayed) out of archives that are under 50k a piece, then DPL is terribly inefficient. The 2MB limit is in place to help prevent resource issues and I'm hesitant to change it as 2MB should be more than enough if the DPL extension is reasonably designed. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:32, 9 February 2008 (EST))
	******* Particularly in this case, where we're talking about archived content that's not really dynamic. Is there an easy way to substitute the results of a DPL query? The topic headings in an archived page shouldn't change, and don't really need to be calculated on the fly every time.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 19:41, 9 February 2008 (EST)		******* Particularly in this case, where we're talking about archived content that's not really dynamic. Is there an easy way to substitute the results of a DPL query? The topic headings in an archived page shouldn't change, and don't really need to be calculated on the fly every time.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 19:41, 9 February 2008 (EST)
			******** DPL has a debug option to display pre encased html instead, but using that will mess up the added formatting used by this template. DPL also has an allowcachedresults parameter that can store the results so it doesn't update on every call, though I'm not sure if that would help in this case, but might be worth a try.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)
			* Admin, please take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template limits\|Wikipedia's template limit]] help. It explains how the limit works, and then examine this template in particular. The template has several subtemplates to make the coding easier. The DPL is being called 20 times for each ArchiveLinks call, and there's 10 archivelinks calls on Hardvice's page, so that's 50k20 dpl calls = 1MB 10 template calls = 10MB. Of course, Hardvice's archives are a little less than 50k, so that's why the 3rd ArchiveLinks call works. I'll try to demodularize some to reduce the calls, but it's not entirely the fault of DPL. It's the way this template uses dpl to get the links, and it could probably be improved..--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)


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imported>Hardvice: /* 20 section limit */

2008-02-10T00:41:46Z

20 section limit

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	***** Ok, according to [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-August/027271.html Tim Starling's August 2006 post at lists.wikimedia.org], the limit variable should be $wgMaxArticleSize.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:30, 8 February 2008 (EST)		***** Ok, according to [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-August/027271.html Tim Starling's August 2006 post at lists.wikimedia.org], the limit variable should be $wgMaxArticleSize.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:30, 8 February 2008 (EST)
	****** The default is 2MB. If DPL is working in a way that it's generating more than 2MB of data (even if it's not being displayed) out of archives that are under 50k a piece, then DPL is terribly inefficient. The 2MB limit is in place to help prevent resource issues and I'm hesitant to change it as 2MB should be more than enough if the DPL extension is reasonably designed. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:32, 9 February 2008 (EST))		****** The default is 2MB. If DPL is working in a way that it's generating more than 2MB of data (even if it's not being displayed) out of archives that are under 50k a piece, then DPL is terribly inefficient. The 2MB limit is in place to help prevent resource issues and I'm hesitant to change it as 2MB should be more than enough if the DPL extension is reasonably designed. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:32, 9 February 2008 (EST))
			******* Particularly in this case, where we're talking about archived content that's not really dynamic. Is there an easy way to substitute the results of a DPL query? The topic headings in an archived page shouldn't change, and don't really need to be calculated on the fly every time.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 19:41, 9 February 2008 (EST)

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imported>Admin: /* 20 section limit */

2008-02-10T00:32:15Z

20 section limit

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	**** Thanks, I'll check for it. As an aside, the new version of the MediaWiki server code (January 2008) no longer has the "pre-expand include limit" and replaces it with a "preprocessor node count" limit, so when we upgrade we may have to set a different variable.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:13, 8 February 2008 (EST)		**** Thanks, I'll check for it. As an aside, the new version of the MediaWiki server code (January 2008) no longer has the "pre-expand include limit" and replaces it with a "preprocessor node count" limit, so when we upgrade we may have to set a different variable.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:13, 8 February 2008 (EST)
	***** Ok, according to [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-August/027271.html Tim Starling's August 2006 post at lists.wikimedia.org], the limit variable should be $wgMaxArticleSize.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:30, 8 February 2008 (EST)		***** Ok, according to [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-August/027271.html Tim Starling's August 2006 post at lists.wikimedia.org], the limit variable should be $wgMaxArticleSize.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:30, 8 February 2008 (EST)
			****** The default is 2MB. If DPL is working in a way that it's generating more than 2MB of data (even if it's not being displayed) out of archives that are under 50k a piece, then DPL is terribly inefficient. The 2MB limit is in place to help prevent resource issues and I'm hesitant to change it as 2MB should be more than enough if the DPL extension is reasonably designed. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 19:32, 9 February 2008 (EST))

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imported>MiamiVolts: /* 20 section limit */ The variable is $wgMaxArticleSize

2008-02-09T04:30:02Z

20 section limit: The variable is $wgMaxArticleSize

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	*** If you can get me the variable to set I'll take care of it. Otherwise I'll dig into it when I have some time. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:17, 8 February 2008 (EST))		*** If you can get me the variable to set I'll take care of it. Otherwise I'll dig into it when I have some time. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:17, 8 February 2008 (EST))
	**** Thanks, I'll check for it. As an aside, the new version of the MediaWiki server code (January 2008) no longer has the "pre-expand include limit" and replaces it with a "preprocessor node count" limit, so when we upgrade we may have to set a different variable.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:13, 8 February 2008 (EST)		**** Thanks, I'll check for it. As an aside, the new version of the MediaWiki server code (January 2008) no longer has the "pre-expand include limit" and replaces it with a "preprocessor node count" limit, so when we upgrade we may have to set a different variable.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:13, 8 February 2008 (EST)
			***** Ok, according to [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-August/027271.html Tim Starling's August 2006 post at lists.wikimedia.org], the limit variable should be $wgMaxArticleSize.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:30, 8 February 2008 (EST)

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imported>MiamiVolts: /* 20 section limit */

2008-02-09T04:13:41Z

20 section limit

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	** Just confirmed it is a template limit. The source (from view->source) has "WARNING: template omitted, pre-expand include size too large" as commented text for each template call.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:32, 8 February 2008 (EST)		** Just confirmed it is a template limit. The source (from view->source) has "WARNING: template omitted, pre-expand include size too large" as commented text for each template call.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:32, 8 February 2008 (EST)
	*** If you can get me the variable to set I'll take care of it. Otherwise I'll dig into it when I have some time. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:17, 8 February 2008 (EST))		*** If you can get me the variable to set I'll take care of it. Otherwise I'll dig into it when I have some time. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:17, 8 February 2008 (EST))
			**** Thanks, I'll check for it. As an aside, the new version of the MediaWiki server code (January 2008) no longer has the "pre-expand include limit" and replaces it with a "preprocessor node count" limit, so when we upgrade we may have to set a different variable.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:13, 8 February 2008 (EST)

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imported>MiamiVolts: /* 20 section limit */ fix link

2008-02-09T04:09:54Z

20 section limit: fix link

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	*** Perhaps we could just have it print "More" at the end if more than 20 sections exist. Also, is there a limit to how many times it can be called on a page? I tried it on my talk page and only the first three are printing headings. (Could also be bad page names or bum headings -- if so, we should document what's breaking it.)--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 04:14, 8 February 2008 (EST)		*** Perhaps we could just have it print "More" at the end if more than 20 sections exist. Also, is there a limit to how many times it can be called on a page? I tried it on my talk page and only the first three are printing headings. (Could also be bad page names or bum headings -- if so, we should document what's breaking it.)--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 04:14, 8 February 2008 (EST)
	**** Yes, we can add a "More" button if a 21st header exists. That's interesting about the total # of pages. [[Heroes Wiki talk:Community Portal]] can do at least four ArchiveLinks calls but your page is stuck on the fourth call, so I think it has to do with the number of entries cause when I commented out January and February printed. I think "includemaxlength" may let you up the number. I'll try adding the "more" button and that option in a few hours or feel free if you have the time atm. Good to see you around again.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 11:07, 8 February 2008 (EST)		**** Yes, we can add a "More" button if a 21st header exists. That's interesting about the total # of pages. [[Heroes Wiki talk:Community Portal]] can do at least four ArchiveLinks calls but your page is stuck on the fourth call, so I think it has to do with the number of entries cause when I commented out January and February printed. I think "includemaxlength" may let you up the number. I'll try adding the "more" button and that option in a few hours or feel free if you have the time atm. Good to see you around again.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 11:07, 8 February 2008 (EST)
	* I tried using both the count= and includemaxlength= options but they didn't help. So it appears that the bug is from a [[Wikipedia:Template limits\|template limit]] as any additional templates added onto your talk page after the archive do not parse. It should be possible to reduce the modularization and gain some extra nodes, or Admin can up the limit on the server side. I'll try to demodularize some shortly.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:02, 8 February 2008 (EST)		* I tried using both the count= and includemaxlength= options but they didn't help. So it appears that the bug is from a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template limits\|template limit]] as any additional templates added onto your talk page after the archive do not parse. It should be possible to reduce the modularization and gain some extra nodes, or Admin can up the limit on the server side. I'll try to demodularize some shortly.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:02, 8 February 2008 (EST)
	** Just confirmed it is a template limit. The source (from view->source) has "WARNING: template omitted, pre-expand include size too large" as commented text for each template call.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:32, 8 February 2008 (EST)		** Just confirmed it is a template limit. The source (from view->source) has "WARNING: template omitted, pre-expand include size too large" as commented text for each template call.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:32, 8 February 2008 (EST)
	*** If you can get me the variable to set I'll take care of it. Otherwise I'll dig into it when I have some time. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:17, 8 February 2008 (EST))		*** If you can get me the variable to set I'll take care of it. Otherwise I'll dig into it when I have some time. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:17, 8 February 2008 (EST))

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	******* Particularly in this case, where we're talking about archived content that's not really dynamic. Is there an easy way to substitute the results of a DPL query? The topic headings in an archived page shouldn't change, and don't really need to be calculated on the fly every time.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 19:41, 9 February 2008 (EST)		******* Particularly in this case, where we're talking about archived content that's not really dynamic. Is there an easy way to substitute the results of a DPL query? The topic headings in an archived page shouldn't change, and don't really need to be calculated on the fly every time.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 19:41, 9 February 2008 (EST)
	******** DPL has a debug option to display pre encased html instead, but using that will mess up the added formatting used by this template. DPL also has an allowcachedresults parameter that can store the results so it doesn't update on every call, though I'm not sure if that would help in this case, but might be worth a try.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)		******** DPL has a debug option to display pre encased html instead, but using that will mess up the added formatting used by this template. DPL also has an allowcachedresults parameter that can store the results so it doesn't update on every call, though I'm not sure if that would help in this case, but might be worth a try.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)
			********* I just added the allowcachedresults parameter. If nothing else, it should lessen the load on the server since the articles should cache and not update on every load. The help said the standard time is at max once every 1.5 hours and only if the page is loaded at that time. Otherwise, the update should occur whenever it gets loaded after that period of time. Also, if you want to see the current results, you can add "&action=purge" to the url/command line.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 00:56, 10 February 2008 (EST)
			== Limits ==
	* Admin, please take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template limits\|Wikipedia's template limit]] help. It explains how the limit works, and then examine this template in particular. The template has several subtemplates to make the coding easier. The DPL is being called 20 times for each ArchiveLinks call, and there's 10 archivelinks calls on Hardvice's page, so that's 50k20 dpl calls = 1MB 10 template calls = 10MB. Of course, Hardvice's archives are a little less than 50k, so that's why the 3rd ArchiveLinks call works. I'll try to demodularize some to reduce the calls, but it's not entirely the fault of DPL. It's the way this template uses dpl to get the links, and it could probably be improved..--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)		* Admin, please take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template limits\|Wikipedia's template limit]] help. It explains how the limit works, and then examine this template in particular. The template has several subtemplates to make the coding easier. The DPL is being called 20 times for each ArchiveLinks call, and there's 10 archivelinks calls on Hardvice's page, so that's 50k20 dpl calls = 1MB 10 template calls = 10MB. Of course, Hardvice's archives are a little less than 50k, so that's why the 3rd ArchiveLinks call works. I'll try to demodularize some to reduce the calls, but it's not entirely the fault of DPL. It's the way this template uses dpl to get the links, and it could probably be improved..--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:58, 9 February 2008 (EST)
	** The fact that it requires 20 DPL calls in order to return the 20 sections of an article is where I consider the fault to be. Now, I guess it could be argued that it's not DPL's fault and we're just using it in an unintended manner, and I'll happily grant that. :) Unless there's some other way to get DPL to do this kind of thing neatly, I suspect we'll end up not using DPL for this in the long run. As Hardvice pointed out, archives don't really change by definition so there's not a need for it to be dynamic. I think in the long run I'll just write a bot that takes care of it and we'll just be able to add pages we want auto-archived into a "Category:Auto-Archive" or something. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:03, 9 February 2008 (EST))		** The fact that it requires 20 DPL calls in order to return the 20 sections of an article is where I consider the fault to be. Now, I guess it could be argued that it's not DPL's fault and we're just using it in an unintended manner, and I'll happily grant that. :) Unless there's some other way to get DPL to do this kind of thing neatly, I suspect we'll end up not using DPL for this in the long run. As Hardvice pointed out, archives don't really change by definition so there's not a need for it to be dynamic. I think in the long run I'll just write a bot that takes care of it and we'll just be able to add pages we want auto-archived into a "Category:Auto-Archive" or something. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:03, 9 February 2008 (EST))

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	*** Perhaps we could just have it print "More" at the end if more than 20 sections exist. Also, is there a limit to how many times it can be called on a page? I tried it on my talk page and only the first three are printing headings. (Could also be bad page names or bum headings -- if so, we should document what's breaking it.)--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 04:14, 8 February 2008 (EST)		*** Perhaps we could just have it print "More" at the end if more than 20 sections exist. Also, is there a limit to how many times it can be called on a page? I tried it on my talk page and only the first three are printing headings. (Could also be bad page names or bum headings -- if so, we should document what's breaking it.)--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 04:14, 8 February 2008 (EST)
	**** Yes, we can add a "More" button if a 21st header exists. That's interesting about the total # of pages. [[Heroes Wiki talk:Community Portal]] can do at least four ArchiveLinks calls but your page is stuck on the fourth call, so I think it has to do with the number of entries cause when I commented out January and February printed. I think "includemaxlength" may let you up the number. I'll try adding the "more" button and that option in a few hours or feel free if you have the time atm. Good to see you around again.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 11:07, 8 February 2008 (EST)		**** Yes, we can add a "More" button if a 21st header exists. That's interesting about the total # of pages. [[Heroes Wiki talk:Community Portal]] can do at least four ArchiveLinks calls but your page is stuck on the fourth call, so I think it has to do with the number of entries cause when I commented out January and February printed. I think "includemaxlength" may let you up the number. I'll try adding the "more" button and that option in a few hours or feel free if you have the time atm. Good to see you around again.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 11:07, 8 February 2008 (EST)
	* I tried using both the count= and includemaxlength= options but they didn't help. So it appears that the bug is from a [[Wikipedia:Template limits\|template limit]] as any additional templates added onto your talk page after the archive do not parse. It should be possible to reduce the modularization and gain some extra nodes, or Admin can up the limit on the server side. I'll try to demodularize some shortly.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:02, 8 February 2008 (EST)		* I tried using both the count= and includemaxlength= options but they didn't help. So it appears that the bug is from a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template limits\|template limit]] as any additional templates added onto your talk page after the archive do not parse. It should be possible to reduce the modularization and gain some extra nodes, or Admin can up the limit on the server side. I'll try to demodularize some shortly.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:02, 8 February 2008 (EST)
	** Just confirmed it is a template limit. The source (from view->source) has "WARNING: template omitted, pre-expand include size too large" as commented text for each template call.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:32, 8 February 2008 (EST)		** Just confirmed it is a template limit. The source (from view->source) has "WARNING: template omitted, pre-expand include size too large" as commented text for each template call.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:32, 8 February 2008 (EST)
	*** If you can get me the variable to set I'll take care of it. Otherwise I'll dig into it when I have some time. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:17, 8 February 2008 (EST))		*** If you can get me the variable to set I'll take care of it. Otherwise I'll dig into it when I have some time. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 22:17, 8 February 2008 (EST))