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imported>Hardvice: move discussion to appropriate page

2007-11-11T03:10:40Z

move discussion to appropriate page

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imported>Hardvice: move discussion to appropriate page

2007-11-11T03:10:40Z

move discussion to appropriate page

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	So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	** No, you're missing my point. Actually, I just thought up a second point: 1) This black text is easy to hide spoiler info with, which is great, but it also makes it hard to read that text unless you edit the article or grab it with your mouse to highlight it. This makes it a pain in the butt to patrol, and hence a liability, imho. You might want to discuss that on the administrators portal, as I think Admin may have been hinting at this. Since this is a wiki and not a forum, search engines may treat this the same as sites who black-out both the text and background of the entire page (btw, that's now possible with this template...). 2) This is not good for screenreaders. For those people who read the site which are visually impaired or simply like to listen to the site with a screenreader, masking the text this way is worse than using a collapsed table, because at least a collapsed table always has a header row to note there's some text there. I don't always design purposely for the visually impaired, but I try to keep them in mind.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:53, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	*** I still don't see any way in which it's worse than what we have now. People with screen readers are currently subjected to spoilers on talk pages; they'll still be subjected to spoilers on talk pages with this. Difference pages are used to patrol edits; they show the text, not the formatting. Misuse of this template can be dealt with just like misuse of any template, many of which could do far worse damage than just blacking out a page. This doesn't do anything a reader couldn't do with CSS anyway, except that it doesn't need to be highlighted to reveal, just hovered. Mountains out of a molehill, start to finish.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 22:08, 10 November 2007 (EST)

imported>Hardvice at 03:08, 11 November 2007

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	* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)		* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	** No, you're missing my point. Actually, I just thought up a second point: 1) This black text is easy to hide spoiler info with, which is great, but it also makes it hard to read that text unless you edit the article or grab it with your mouse to highlight it. This makes it a pain in the butt to patrol, and hence a liability, imho. You might want to discuss that on the administrators portal, as I think Admin may have been hinting at this. Since this is a wiki and not a forum, search engines may treat this the same as sites who black-out both the text and background of the entire page (btw, that's now possible with this template...). 2) This is not good for screenreaders. For those people who read the site which are visually impaired or simply like to listen to the site with a screenreader, masking the text this way is worse than using a collapsed table, because at least a collapsed table always has a header row to note there's some text there. I don't always design purposely for the visually impaired, but I try to keep them in mind.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:53, 10 November 2007 (EST)		** No, you're missing my point. Actually, I just thought up a second point: 1) This black text is easy to hide spoiler info with, which is great, but it also makes it hard to read that text unless you edit the article or grab it with your mouse to highlight it. This makes it a pain in the butt to patrol, and hence a liability, imho. You might want to discuss that on the administrators portal, as I think Admin may have been hinting at this. Since this is a wiki and not a forum, search engines may treat this the same as sites who black-out both the text and background of the entire page (btw, that's now possible with this template...). 2) This is not good for screenreaders. For those people who read the site which are visually impaired or simply like to listen to the site with a screenreader, masking the text this way is worse than using a collapsed table, because at least a collapsed table always has a header row to note there's some text there. I don't always design purposely for the visually impaired, but I try to keep them in mind.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:53, 10 November 2007 (EST)
			*** I still don't see any way in which it's worse than what we have now. People with screen readers are currently subjected to spoilers on talk pages; they'll still be subjected to spoilers on talk pages with this. Difference pages are used to patrol edits; they show the text, not the formatting. Misuse of this template can be dealt with just like misuse of any template, many of which could do far worse damage than just blacking out a page. This doesn't do anything a reader couldn't do with CSS anyway, except that it doesn't need to be highlighted to reveal, just hovered. Mountains out of a molehill, start to finish.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 22:08, 10 November 2007 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: That's not my point... actually, I have two...

2007-11-11T02:53:32Z

That's not my point... actually, I have two...

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	So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)		So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)		* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)
			** No, you're missing my point. Actually, I just thought up a second point: 1) This black text is easy to hide spoiler info with, which is great, but it also makes it hard to read that text unless you edit the article or grab it with your mouse to highlight it. This makes it a pain in the butt to patrol, and hence a liability, imho. You might want to discuss that on the administrators portal, as I think Admin may have been hinting at this. Since this is a wiki and not a forum, search engines may treat this the same as sites who black-out both the text and background of the entire page (btw, that's now possible with this template...). 2) This is not good for screenreaders. For those people who read the site which are visually impaired or simply like to listen to the site with a screenreader, masking the text this way is worse than using a collapsed table, because at least a collapsed table always has a header row to note there's some text there. I don't always design purposely for the visually impaired, but I try to keep them in mind.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:53, 10 November 2007 (EST)

imported>Hardvice: sp

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	So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)		So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single ~~though~~ to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)		* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)

imported>Hardvice at 02:27, 11 November 2007

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	So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)		So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)
			* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single though to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts at 01:30, 11 November 2007

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	So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)		So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts at 01:29, 11 November 2007

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	So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it...--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)		So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: +afd?

2007-11-11T01:28:09Z

+afd?

New page

So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it...--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)

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	* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)		* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	** No, you're missing my point. Actually, I just thought up a second point: 1) This black text is easy to hide spoiler info with, which is great, but it also makes it hard to read that text unless you edit the article or grab it with your mouse to highlight it. This makes it a pain in the butt to patrol, and hence a liability, imho. You might want to discuss that on the administrators portal, as I think Admin may have been hinting at this. Since this is a wiki and not a forum, search engines may treat this the same as sites who black-out both the text and background of the entire page (btw, that's now possible with this template...). 2) This is not good for screenreaders. For those people who read the site which are visually impaired or simply like to listen to the site with a screenreader, masking the text this way is worse than using a collapsed table, because at least a collapsed table always has a header row to note there's some text there. I don't always design purposely for the visually impaired, but I try to keep them in mind.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:53, 10 November 2007 (EST)		** No, you're missing my point. Actually, I just thought up a second point: 1) This black text is easy to hide spoiler info with, which is great, but it also makes it hard to read that text unless you edit the article or grab it with your mouse to highlight it. This makes it a pain in the butt to patrol, and hence a liability, imho. You might want to discuss that on the administrators portal, as I think Admin may have been hinting at this. Since this is a wiki and not a forum, search engines may treat this the same as sites who black-out both the text and background of the entire page (btw, that's now possible with this template...). 2) This is not good for screenreaders. For those people who read the site which are visually impaired or simply like to listen to the site with a screenreader, masking the text this way is worse than using a collapsed table, because at least a collapsed table always has a header row to note there's some text there. I don't always design purposely for the visually impaired, but I try to keep them in mind.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:53, 10 November 2007 (EST)
			*** I still don't see any way in which it's worse than what we have now. People with screen readers are currently subjected to spoilers on talk pages; they'll still be subjected to spoilers on talk pages with this. Difference pages are used to patrol edits; they show the text, not the formatting. Misuse of this template can be dealt with just like misuse of any template, many of which could do far worse damage than just blacking out a page. This doesn't do anything a reader couldn't do with CSS anyway, except that it doesn't need to be highlighted to reveal, just hovered. Mountains out of a molehill, start to finish.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 22:08, 10 November 2007 (EST)

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	So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)		So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)		* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)
			** No, you're missing my point. Actually, I just thought up a second point: 1) This black text is easy to hide spoiler info with, which is great, but it also makes it hard to read that text unless you edit the article or grab it with your mouse to highlight it. This makes it a pain in the butt to patrol, and hence a liability, imho. You might want to discuss that on the administrators portal, as I think Admin may have been hinting at this. Since this is a wiki and not a forum, search engines may treat this the same as sites who black-out both the text and background of the entire page (btw, that's now possible with this template...). 2) This is not good for screenreaders. For those people who read the site which are visually impaired or simply like to listen to the site with a screenreader, masking the text this way is worse than using a collapsed table, because at least a collapsed table always has a header row to note there's some text there. I don't always design purposely for the visually impaired, but I try to keep them in mind.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:53, 10 November 2007 (EST)