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imported>Admin: rmv spoilertext template

2009-03-19T15:57:39Z

rmv spoilertext template

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2009-03-19T15:57:39Z

rmv spoilertext template

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	So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)		So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)		* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, template:spoilertext --this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	** No, you're missing my point. Actually, I just thought up a second point: 1) This black text is easy to hide spoiler info with, which is great, but it also makes it hard to read that text unless you edit the article or grab it with your mouse to highlight it. This makes it a pain in the butt to patrol, and hence a liability, imho. You might want to discuss that on the administrators portal, as I think Admin may have been hinting at this. Since this is a wiki and not a forum, search engines may treat this the same as sites who black-out both the text and background of the entire page (btw, that's now possible with this template...). 2) This is not good for screenreaders. For those people who read the site which are visually impaired or simply like to listen to the site with a screenreader, masking the text this way is worse than using a collapsed table, because at least a collapsed table always has a header row to note there's some text there. I don't always design purposely for the visually impaired, but I try to keep them in mind.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:53, 10 November 2007 (EST)		** No, you're missing my point. Actually, I just thought up a second point: 1) This black text is easy to hide spoiler info with, which is great, but it also makes it hard to read that text unless you edit the article or grab it with your mouse to highlight it. This makes it a pain in the butt to patrol, and hence a liability, imho. You might want to discuss that on the administrators portal, as I think Admin may have been hinting at this. Since this is a wiki and not a forum, search engines may treat this the same as sites who black-out both the text and background of the entire page (btw, that's now possible with this template...). 2) This is not good for screenreaders. For those people who read the site which are visually impaired or simply like to listen to the site with a screenreader, masking the text this way is worse than using a collapsed table, because at least a collapsed table always has a header row to note there's some text there. I don't always design purposely for the visually impaired, but I try to keep them in mind.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:53, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	*** I still don't see any way in which it's worse than what we have now. People with screen readers are currently subjected to spoilers on talk pages; they'll still be subjected to spoilers on talk pages with this. The text is not a hidden element -- screen readers will still read it. Difference pages are used to patrol edits; they show the text, not the formatting. Misuse of this template can be dealt with just like misuse of any template, many of which could do far worse damage than just blacking out a page. This doesn't do anything a reader couldn't do with CSS anyway, except that it doesn't need to be highlighted to reveal, just hovered. Mountains out of a molehill, start to finish.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 22:08, 10 November 2007 (EST)		*** I still don't see any way in which it's worse than what we have now. People with screen readers are currently subjected to spoilers on talk pages; they'll still be subjected to spoilers on talk pages with this. The text is not a hidden element -- screen readers will still read it. Difference pages are used to patrol edits; they show the text, not the formatting. Misuse of this template can be dealt with just like misuse of any template, many of which could do far worse damage than just blacking out a page. This doesn't do anything a reader couldn't do with CSS anyway, except that it doesn't need to be highlighted to reveal, just hovered. Mountains out of a molehill, start to finish.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 22:08, 10 November 2007 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Suggestion */

2009-02-12T06:04:32Z

Suggestion

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	****** The other thing that we might want to consider is changing it to print a big warning that spoilers only belong on spoiler pages. [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Spoilertext&oldid=279476 Something like this]... -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 11 February 2009 (EST)		****** The other thing that we might want to consider is changing it to print a big warning that spoilers only belong on spoiler pages. [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Spoilertext&oldid=279476 Something like this]... -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 11 February 2009 (EST)
	******* Sounds reasonable, though where would we use that warning?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:53, 11 February 2009 (EST)		******* Sounds reasonable, though where would we use that warning?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:53, 11 February 2009 (EST)
			******** We would remove the template's use from everywhere. Then the warning would only show up if somebody tried to use the template in the future, rather than creating a red link for a template that doesn't exist. Sort of the same way [[template:GNcharacternav]] works. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:04, 12 February 2009 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: /* Suggestion */ reply

2009-02-12T04:53:57Z

Suggestion: reply

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	***** Yeah, looks like it is going to get deleted. If you want to help speed up the process, you can eliminating all the uses of it. Just remember to clip any spoiler text contained therein.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:21, 11 February 2009 (EST)		***** Yeah, looks like it is going to get deleted. If you want to help speed up the process, you can eliminating all the uses of it. Just remember to clip any spoiler text contained therein.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:21, 11 February 2009 (EST)
	****** The other thing that we might want to consider is changing it to print a big warning that spoilers only belong on spoiler pages. [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Spoilertext&oldid=279476 Something like this]... -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 11 February 2009 (EST)		****** The other thing that we might want to consider is changing it to print a big warning that spoilers only belong on spoiler pages. [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Spoilertext&oldid=279476 Something like this]... -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 11 February 2009 (EST)
			******* Sounds reasonable, though where would we use that warning?--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 23:53, 11 February 2009 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart at 01:13, 12 February 2009

2009-02-12T01:13:55Z

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	**** So then, is this happening?--[[User:Crazylicious\|Crazylicious]] 19:02, 11 February 2009 (EST)		**** So then, is this happening?--[[User:Crazylicious\|Crazylicious]] 19:02, 11 February 2009 (EST)
	***** Yeah, looks like it is going to get deleted. If you want to help speed up the process, you can eliminating all the uses of it. Just remember to clip any spoiler text contained therein.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:21, 11 February 2009 (EST)		***** Yeah, looks like it is going to get deleted. If you want to help speed up the process, you can eliminating all the uses of it. Just remember to clip any spoiler text contained therein.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:21, 11 February 2009 (EST)
	****** The other thing that we might want to consider is changing it to print a big warning that spoilers only belong on spoiler pages. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 11 February 2009 (EST)		****** The other thing that we might want to consider is changing it to print a big warning that spoilers only belong on spoiler pages. [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Spoilertext&oldid=279476 Something like this]... -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 11 February 2009 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Suggestion */

2009-02-12T01:09:38Z

Suggestion

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	**** So then, is this happening?--[[User:Crazylicious\|Crazylicious]] 19:02, 11 February 2009 (EST)		**** So then, is this happening?--[[User:Crazylicious\|Crazylicious]] 19:02, 11 February 2009 (EST)
	***** Yeah, looks like it is going to get deleted. If you want to help speed up the process, you can eliminating all the uses of it. Just remember to clip any spoiler text contained therein.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:21, 11 February 2009 (EST)		***** Yeah, looks like it is going to get deleted. If you want to help speed up the process, you can eliminating all the uses of it. Just remember to clip any spoiler text contained therein.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:21, 11 February 2009 (EST)
			****** The other thing that we might want to consider is changing it to print a big warning that spoilers only belong on spoiler pages. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 11 February 2009 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: /* Suggestion */

2009-02-12T00:21:30Z

Suggestion

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	*** I don't mind getting rid of it. It would mean that a bunch of talk pages that use the template would need to be fixed, but that's not too big a deal. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:23, 10 February 2009 (EST)		*** I don't mind getting rid of it. It would mean that a bunch of talk pages that use the template would need to be fixed, but that's not too big a deal. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:23, 10 February 2009 (EST)
	**** So then, is this happening?--[[User:Crazylicious\|Crazylicious]] 19:02, 11 February 2009 (EST)		**** So then, is this happening?--[[User:Crazylicious\|Crazylicious]] 19:02, 11 February 2009 (EST)
			***** Yeah, looks like it is going to get deleted. If you want to help speed up the process, you can eliminating all the uses of it. Just remember to clip any spoiler text contained therein.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 19:21, 11 February 2009 (EST)

imported>Crazylicious: /* Suggestion */

2009-02-12T00:02:37Z

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	** Well, I'm still all for getting rid of it entirely as well. This is my suggestion in case that doesn't happen. See above thread for my reasons for getting rid of it.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 16:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)		** Well, I'm still all for getting rid of it entirely as well. This is my suggestion in case that doesn't happen. See above thread for my reasons for getting rid of it.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 16:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)
	*** I don't mind getting rid of it. It would mean that a bunch of talk pages that use the template would need to be fixed, but that's not too big a deal. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:23, 10 February 2009 (EST)		*** I don't mind getting rid of it. It would mean that a bunch of talk pages that use the template would need to be fixed, but that's not too big a deal. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:23, 10 February 2009 (EST)
			**** So then, is this happening?--[[User:Crazylicious\|Crazylicious]] 19:02, 11 February 2009 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Suggestion */

2009-02-10T21:23:32Z

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	* One of my issues with this template has always been that it's very unprofessional in my opinion. Blacking out text is something, in my opinion, more suited for forums and other less professional sites. I'd rather see it go away entirely. Restricting it to certain namespaces may in fact make it more confusing because people will expect it to work everywhere. If it's used on any other page by mistake it will have to do '''something''' and I think any "something" would be along the same lines as what it currently does. It also doesn't correct the issue that without exception spoiler information must be on a spoiler page. Even user and user talk pages are not permitted. As far as using it on spoiler articles it shouldn't matter too much because people already expect spoilers there. If it's used to black out extreme spoilers then it becomes a bit subjective to determine what's significant enough to be blacked out... plus it goes back to my opinion that blacking out text on a reference site like this is amateurish and unprofessional. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 16:05, 10 February 2009 (EST))		* One of my issues with this template has always been that it's very unprofessional in my opinion. Blacking out text is something, in my opinion, more suited for forums and other less professional sites. I'd rather see it go away entirely. Restricting it to certain namespaces may in fact make it more confusing because people will expect it to work everywhere. If it's used on any other page by mistake it will have to do '''something''' and I think any "something" would be along the same lines as what it currently does. It also doesn't correct the issue that without exception spoiler information must be on a spoiler page. Even user and user talk pages are not permitted. As far as using it on spoiler articles it shouldn't matter too much because people already expect spoilers there. If it's used to black out extreme spoilers then it becomes a bit subjective to determine what's significant enough to be blacked out... plus it goes back to my opinion that blacking out text on a reference site like this is amateurish and unprofessional. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 16:05, 10 February 2009 (EST))
	** Well, I'm still all for getting rid of it entirely as well. This is my suggestion in case that doesn't happen. See above thread for my reasons for getting rid of it.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 16:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)		** Well, I'm still all for getting rid of it entirely as well. This is my suggestion in case that doesn't happen. See above thread for my reasons for getting rid of it.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 16:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)
			*** I don't mind getting rid of it. It would mean that a bunch of talk pages that use the template would need to be fixed, but that's not too big a deal. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:23, 10 February 2009 (EST)

imported>MiamiVolts: /* Suggestion */

2009-02-10T21:10:25Z

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	Perhaps since Ryan has [[User talk:Admin#Spoiler on non-spoiler page\|changed his mind]] and Hardvice is no longer around, we should consider restricting this template's usage to certain namespaces such that it only works in the spoiler, spoiler talk, user and user talk namespaces.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:53, 10 February 2009 (EST)		Perhaps since Ryan has [[User talk:Admin#Spoiler on non-spoiler page\|changed his mind]] and Hardvice is no longer around, we should consider restricting this template's usage to certain namespaces such that it only works in the spoiler, spoiler talk, user and user talk namespaces.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:53, 10 February 2009 (EST)
	* One of my issues with this template has always been that it's very unprofessional in my opinion. Blacking out text is something, in my opinion, more suited for forums and other less professional sites. I'd rather see it go away entirely. Restricting it to certain namespaces may in fact make it more confusing because people will expect it to work everywhere. If it's used on any other page by mistake it will have to do '''something''' and I think any "something" would be along the same lines as what it currently does. It also doesn't correct the issue that without exception spoiler information must be on a spoiler page. Even user and user talk pages are not permitted. As far as using it on spoiler articles it shouldn't matter too much because people already expect spoilers there. If it's used to black out extreme spoilers then it becomes a bit subjective to determine what's significant enough to be blacked out... plus it goes back to my opinion that blacking out text on a reference site like this is amateurish and unprofessional. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 16:05, 10 February 2009 (EST))		* One of my issues with this template has always been that it's very unprofessional in my opinion. Blacking out text is something, in my opinion, more suited for forums and other less professional sites. I'd rather see it go away entirely. Restricting it to certain namespaces may in fact make it more confusing because people will expect it to work everywhere. If it's used on any other page by mistake it will have to do '''something''' and I think any "something" would be along the same lines as what it currently does. It also doesn't correct the issue that without exception spoiler information must be on a spoiler page. Even user and user talk pages are not permitted. As far as using it on spoiler articles it shouldn't matter too much because people already expect spoilers there. If it's used to black out extreme spoilers then it becomes a bit subjective to determine what's significant enough to be blacked out... plus it goes back to my opinion that blacking out text on a reference site like this is amateurish and unprofessional. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 16:05, 10 February 2009 (EST))
	** Well, I'm still all for getting rid of it entirely as well. This is my suggestion in case that doesn't happen.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 16:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)		** Well, I'm still all for getting rid of it entirely as well. This is my suggestion in case that doesn't happen. See above thread for my reasons for getting rid of it.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 16:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)

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	So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)		So are we keeping this template? Admin seemed to suggest he didn't want it... I don't think it's a good idea, either. Too much potential for abuse.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 20:28, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, [[template:spoilertext]]--this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)		* I for one don't see the big deal with this (or really, template:spoilertext --this one's pretty harmless) getting used on talk pages. How is it any worse than what happens now, where people freely post spoilery information in discussions? This happens all the time--scarcely an episode goes by without somebody discussing, say, the "next on ''Heroes''" preview or the upcoming episode clips or other spoilers which seem to be coming to fruition on the epsiode's talk page--and they are, to the best of my knowledge, ''never'' removed from the talk pages. I've certainly never removed one for containing spoiler information because I've never given a single thought to spoiler information in talkspace, just in the article space. Even if someone's browser doesn't support this, we're still better off than we are right now, in that some spoilers are hidden for some users. It seems like a lot of sound and fury over something that's, at worst, a slight improvement over the current state of affairs.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 21:27, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	** No, you're missing my point. Actually, I just thought up a second point: 1) This black text is easy to hide spoiler info with, which is great, but it also makes it hard to read that text unless you edit the article or grab it with your mouse to highlight it. This makes it a pain in the butt to patrol, and hence a liability, imho. You might want to discuss that on the administrators portal, as I think Admin may have been hinting at this. Since this is a wiki and not a forum, search engines may treat this the same as sites who black-out both the text and background of the entire page (btw, that's now possible with this template...). 2) This is not good for screenreaders. For those people who read the site which are visually impaired or simply like to listen to the site with a screenreader, masking the text this way is worse than using a collapsed table, because at least a collapsed table always has a header row to note there's some text there. I don't always design purposely for the visually impaired, but I try to keep them in mind.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:53, 10 November 2007 (EST)		** No, you're missing my point. Actually, I just thought up a second point: 1) This black text is easy to hide spoiler info with, which is great, but it also makes it hard to read that text unless you edit the article or grab it with your mouse to highlight it. This makes it a pain in the butt to patrol, and hence a liability, imho. You might want to discuss that on the administrators portal, as I think Admin may have been hinting at this. Since this is a wiki and not a forum, search engines may treat this the same as sites who black-out both the text and background of the entire page (btw, that's now possible with this template...). 2) This is not good for screenreaders. For those people who read the site which are visually impaired or simply like to listen to the site with a screenreader, masking the text this way is worse than using a collapsed table, because at least a collapsed table always has a header row to note there's some text there. I don't always design purposely for the visually impaired, but I try to keep them in mind.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 21:53, 10 November 2007 (EST)
	*** I still don't see any way in which it's worse than what we have now. People with screen readers are currently subjected to spoilers on talk pages; they'll still be subjected to spoilers on talk pages with this. The text is not a hidden element -- screen readers will still read it. Difference pages are used to patrol edits; they show the text, not the formatting. Misuse of this template can be dealt with just like misuse of any template, many of which could do far worse damage than just blacking out a page. This doesn't do anything a reader couldn't do with CSS anyway, except that it doesn't need to be highlighted to reveal, just hovered. Mountains out of a molehill, start to finish.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 22:08, 10 November 2007 (EST)		*** I still don't see any way in which it's worse than what we have now. People with screen readers are currently subjected to spoilers on talk pages; they'll still be subjected to spoilers on talk pages with this. The text is not a hidden element -- screen readers will still read it. Difference pages are used to patrol edits; they show the text, not the formatting. Misuse of this template can be dealt with just like misuse of any template, many of which could do far worse damage than just blacking out a page. This doesn't do anything a reader couldn't do with CSS anyway, except that it doesn't need to be highlighted to reveal, just hovered. Mountains out of a molehill, start to finish.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 22:08, 10 November 2007 (EST)

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	Perhaps since Ryan has [[User talk:Admin#Spoiler on non-spoiler page\|changed his mind]] and Hardvice is no longer around, we should consider restricting this template's usage to certain namespaces such that it only works in the spoiler, spoiler talk, user and user talk namespaces.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:53, 10 February 2009 (EST)		Perhaps since Ryan has [[User talk:Admin#Spoiler on non-spoiler page\|changed his mind]] and Hardvice is no longer around, we should consider restricting this template's usage to certain namespaces such that it only works in the spoiler, spoiler talk, user and user talk namespaces.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:53, 10 February 2009 (EST)
	* One of my issues with this template has always been that it's very unprofessional in my opinion. Blacking out text is something, in my opinion, more suited for forums and other less professional sites. I'd rather see it go away entirely. Restricting it to certain namespaces may in fact make it more confusing because people will expect it to work everywhere. If it's used on any other page by mistake it will have to do '''something''' and I think any "something" would be along the same lines as what it currently does. It also doesn't correct the issue that without exception spoiler information must be on a spoiler page. Even user and user talk pages are not permitted. As far as using it on spoiler articles it shouldn't matter too much because people already expect spoilers there. If it's used to black out extreme spoilers then it becomes a bit subjective to determine what's significant enough to be blacked out... plus it goes back to my opinion that blacking out text on a reference site like this is amateurish and unprofessional. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 16:05, 10 February 2009 (EST))		* One of my issues with this template has always been that it's very unprofessional in my opinion. Blacking out text is something, in my opinion, more suited for forums and other less professional sites. I'd rather see it go away entirely. Restricting it to certain namespaces may in fact make it more confusing because people will expect it to work everywhere. If it's used on any other page by mistake it will have to do '''something''' and I think any "something" would be along the same lines as what it currently does. It also doesn't correct the issue that without exception spoiler information must be on a spoiler page. Even user and user talk pages are not permitted. As far as using it on spoiler articles it shouldn't matter too much because people already expect spoilers there. If it's used to black out extreme spoilers then it becomes a bit subjective to determine what's significant enough to be blacked out... plus it goes back to my opinion that blacking out text on a reference site like this is amateurish and unprofessional. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 16:05, 10 February 2009 (EST))
	** Well, I'm still all for getting rid of it entirely as well. This is my suggestion in case that doesn't happen.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 16:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)		** Well, I'm still all for getting rid of it entirely as well. This is my suggestion in case that doesn't happen. See above thread for my reasons for getting rid of it.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 16:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)