Theory:Charles Deveaux - Revision history

imported>PJDEP at 17:43, 28 February 2010

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	\| Charles was the father of D.L. Hawkins and grandfather to [[Micah Sanders]]. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} The lives of D.L. and Niki were supposedly manipulated by Linderman in the hopes of arranging Micah's birth. Charles has presumably known Linderman for decades and may be a willing participant in the breeding of evolved humans.<br />		\| Charles was the father of D.L. Hawkins and grandfather to [[Micah Sanders]]. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} The lives of D.L. and Niki were supposedly manipulated by Linderman in the hopes of arranging Micah's birth. Charles has presumably known Linderman for decades and may be a willing participant in the breeding of evolved humans.<br />
	{{plus}} D.L.'s father is unknown and Simone's mother is unknown.<br />		{{plus}} D.L.'s father is unknown and Simone's mother is unknown.<br />
	{{note}} Angela Petrelli and Kaito Nakamura were also participants in the conspiracy and had super powered offspring.<br />		{{note}} Angela Petrelli and Kaito Nakamura were also participants in the conspiracy and had super powered offspring.<br />
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	\| Charles is present in Peter's mind. \|\| Peter dreamed of Charles shortly after he died. \|\| {{plus}} He could be using telepathy to mentally visit Peter in his dreams.<br />		\| Charles is present in Peter's mind. \|\| Peter dreamed of Charles shortly after he died. \|\| {{plus}} He could be using telepathy to mentally visit Peter in his dreams.<br />
	{{minus}} It is unknown if he [[Power absorption\|still had]] his ability at that time.<br />		{{minus}} It is unknown if he [[Power absorption\|still had]] his ability at that time.<br />
			{{plus}} [[Usutu]] appeared to Matt after his death.<br />
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	\| Charles could use his telepathy to access [[precognition]] like [[Matt Parkman]] can. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Simone tells Peter that when Charles awoke from his coma, he had a dream where he was flying and saw the world in pain (''[[Nothing to Hide]]''). This seems to reflect the [[explosion future\|future]] that was supposed to have occurred in that time line.<br />		\| Charles could use his telepathy to access [[precognition]] like [[Matt Parkman]] can. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Simone tells Peter that when Charles awoke from his coma, he had a dream where he was flying and saw the world in pain (''[[Nothing to Hide]]''). This seems to reflect the [[explosion future\|future]] that was supposed to have occurred in that time line.<br />

imported>Intuitive Empath at 20:15, 2 January 2010

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	::{{plus}} Claire is Nathan's illegitimate child, he never knew about her until Meredith called.<br />		::{{plus}} Claire is Nathan's illegitimate child, he never knew about her until Meredith called.<br />
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	\| Arthur Petrelli stole Charles' ability. \|\| Charles displayed telepathy in 1961 but not once in all of season 1.<br>Arthur stole telepathy from someone. \|\| {{minus}} In season 1, he still knew Peter was there when no-one else did-perhaps by reading his mind. Also, he said something about being able to see love in him, or something like that.<br />		\| Arthur Petrelli stole Charles' ability. \|\| Charles displayed telepathy in 1961 but not once in all of season 1.<br />Arthur stole telepathy from someone. \|\| {{minus}} In season 1, he still knew Peter was there when no-one else did-perhaps by reading his mind. Also, he said something about being able to see love in him, or something like that.<br />
	:{{plus}} Charles seems very determined to protect those with powers, and with the existence of a formula he would lose nothing and the company would become stronger.<br />		:{{plus}} Charles seems very determined to protect those with powers, and with the existence of a formula he would lose nothing and the company would become stronger.<br />
	{{plus}} The sound effect used for when Charles uses telepathy is the same sound effect for when Arthur uses telepathy.<br />		{{plus}} The sound effect used for when Charles uses telepathy is the same sound effect for when Arthur uses telepathy.<br />

imported>Intuitive Empath at 19:22, 2 January 2010

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	{{minus}} It is unknown if he [[Power absorption\|still had]] his ability at that time.<br />		{{minus}} It is unknown if he [[Power absorption\|still had]] his ability at that time.<br />
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	\| Charles could use his telepathy to access [[precognition]] like [[Matt Parkman]] can. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Simone tells Peter that when Charles awoke from his coma, he had a dream where he was flying and saw the world in pain (''[[Nothing to Hide]]''). This seems to reflect the [[explosion future\|future]] that was supposed to have occurred in that time line.<br />		\| Charles could use his telepathy to access [[precognition]] like [[Matt Parkman]] can. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Simone tells Peter that when Charles awoke from his coma, he had a dream where he was flying and saw the world in pain (''[[Nothing to Hide]]''). This seems to reflect the [[explosion future\|future]] that was supposed to have occurred in that time line.<br />
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imported>PJDEP at 17:09, 2 January 2010

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	\| Charles is present in Peter's mind. \|\| Peter dreamed of Charles shortly after he died. \|\| {{plus}} He could be using telepathy to mentally visit Peter in his dreams.<br />		\| Charles is present in Peter's mind. \|\| Peter dreamed of Charles shortly after he died. \|\| {{plus}} He could be using telepathy to mentally visit Peter in his dreams.<br />
	{{minus}} It is unknown if he [[Power absorption\|still had]] his ability at that time.<br />		{{minus}} It is unknown if he [[Power absorption\|still had]] his ability at that time.<br />
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			\| Charles could use his telepathy to access [[precognition]] like [[Matt Parkman]] can. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Simone tells Peter that when Charles awoke from his coma, he had a dream where he was flying and saw the world in pain (''[[Nothing to Hide]]''). This seems to reflect the [[explosion future\|future]] that was supposed to have occurred in that time line.<br />
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imported>Intuitive Empath at 11:30, 23 December 2009

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	:{{minus}} Arthur can't absorb abilities through empathy.<br />		:{{minus}} Arthur can't absorb abilities through empathy.<br />
	:{{plus}} No, but BTE confirmed he can choose whether or not to strip someone of their power while copying.<br />		:{{plus}} No, but BTE confirmed he can choose whether or not to strip someone of their power while copying.<br />
			::{{minus}} He could do that only after getting Peter's ability, he could choose to acquire an ability with [[Power absorption\|his own ability]] or with [[Empathic mimicry\|his son's]]. That's what BTE said.<br />
	{{plus}} Having two members who were only telepaths in the Company doesn't make sense.<br />		{{plus}} Having two members who were only telepaths in the Company doesn't make sense.<br />
	:{{minus}} By that logic, [[Arthur]] wouldn't need anyone else.<br />		:{{minus}} By that logic, [[Arthur]] wouldn't need anyone else.<br />

imported>Blood69 at 01:03, 23 December 2009

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	{{note}} It is possible that Arthur absorbed the power through empathy, either from Maury or Charles, allowing Charles to retain the ability up to his death.<br />		{{note}} It is possible that Arthur absorbed the power through empathy, either from Maury or Charles, allowing Charles to retain the ability up to his death.<br />
	:{{minus}} Arthur can't absorb abilities through empathy.<br />		:{{minus}} Arthur can't absorb abilities through empathy.<br />
			:{{plus}} No, but BTE confirmed he can choose whether or not to strip someone of their power while copying.<br />
	{{plus}} Having two members who were only telepaths in the Company doesn't make sense.<br />		{{plus}} Having two members who were only telepaths in the Company doesn't make sense.<br />
			:{{minus}} By that logic, [[Arthur]] wouldn't need anyone else.<br />
	:{{minus}} Seeing as abilities are random, the Company could have been made entirely of telepaths if they met each other.<br />		:{{minus}} Seeing as abilities are random, the Company could have been made entirely of telepaths if they met each other.<br />
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imported>Altes: Charles was confirmed to have died naturally

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Charles was confirmed to have died naturally

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	:{{minus}} We do know that D.L. grew up as one of those "troubled kids on the streets" (in ''[[Landslide]]'', we see D.L.'s old mugshots, saved in Linderman's dossier on him). Thus, D.L. is most likely not a Deveaux, seeing as Simone Deveaux enjoyed a much more privileged upbringing.<br />		:{{minus}} We do know that D.L. grew up as one of those "troubled kids on the streets" (in ''[[Landslide]]'', we see D.L.'s old mugshots, saved in Linderman's dossier on him). Thus, D.L. is most likely not a Deveaux, seeing as Simone Deveaux enjoyed a much more privileged upbringing.<br />
	::{{plus}} Claire is Nathan's illegitimate child, he never knew about her until Meredith called.<br />		::{{plus}} Claire is Nathan's illegitimate child, he never knew about her until Meredith called.<br />
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	\| [[Charles Deveaux]] was sick and ultimately died from some sort of injury obtained while attempting to kill [[Arthur Petrelli]]. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} Charles' power may have been a 'spirit guide' or astral-type power, which Arthur took and later used against Angela.<br />
	:{{minus}} That was telepathy.<br />
	:{{minus}} If Arthur took this power from him, Charles could not have used it to talk to Peter.<br />
	{{plus}} Charles told Peter there always has to be one that's good, a possible comparison to his father. This might be him expressing his distrust of Arthur, a possible motive.<br />
	:{{minus}} He could also have meant one good in each generation, with not particular reference to Arthur.<br />
	{{plus}} The sound effects used for when Charles used telepathy are the same sound effects for when Arthur uses telepaty.
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	\| Arthur Petrelli stole Charles' ability. \|\| Charles displayed telepathy in 1961 but not once in all of season 1.<br>Arthur stole telepathy from someone. \|\| {{minus}} In season 1, he still knew Peter was there when no-one else did-perhaps by reading his mind. Also, he said something about being able to see love in him, or something like that.<br />		\| Arthur Petrelli stole Charles' ability. \|\| Charles displayed telepathy in 1961 but not once in all of season 1.<br>Arthur stole telepathy from someone. \|\| {{minus}} In season 1, he still knew Peter was there when no-one else did-perhaps by reading his mind. Also, he said something about being able to see love in him, or something like that.<br />

imported>Intuitive Empath: Niki was adopted, we don't know her father

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Niki was adopted, we don't know her father

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	{{note}} Angela Petrelli and Kaito Nakamura were also participants in the conspiracy and had super powered offspring.<br />		{{note}} Angela Petrelli and Kaito Nakamura were also participants in the conspiracy and had super powered offspring.<br />
	{{minus}} Just because D.L. and Deveaux are both black, doesn't mean they're related. That would be like saying that Niki is also Linderman's daughter. That theory is just as liable.<br />		{{minus}} Just because D.L. and Deveaux are both black, doesn't mean they're related. That would be like saying that Niki is also Linderman's daughter. That theory is just as liable.<br />
	:{{plus}} We ~~actually know Niki's father, but we~~ don't know D.L.'s and since everyone seems connected on the series, it is plausible.<br />		:{{plus}} We don't know D.L.'s and since everyone seems connected on the series, it is plausible.<br />
	:{{minus}} We do know that D.L. grew up as one of those "troubled kids on the streets" (in ''[[Landslide]]'', we see D.L.'s old mugshots, saved in Linderman's dossier on him). Thus, D.L. is most likely not a Deveaux, seeing as Simone Deveaux enjoyed a much more privileged upbringing.<br />		:{{minus}} We do know that D.L. grew up as one of those "troubled kids on the streets" (in ''[[Landslide]]'', we see D.L.'s old mugshots, saved in Linderman's dossier on him). Thus, D.L. is most likely not a Deveaux, seeing as Simone Deveaux enjoyed a much more privileged upbringing.<br />
	::{{plus}} ~~And~~ ~~there~~ ~~has never been an~~ illegitimate child ~~on Heroes~~, ~~the~~ ~~father~~ ~~doesn't know~~ about ~~(Claire~~ ~~hint,~~ ~~hint)~~.<br />		::{{plus}} Claire is Nathan's illegitimate child, he never knew about her until Meredith called.<br />
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	\| [[Charles Deveaux]] was sick and ultimately died from some sort of injury obtained while attempting to kill [[Arthur Petrelli]]. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} Charles' power may have been a 'spirit guide' or astral-type power, which Arthur took and later used against Angela.<br />		\| [[Charles Deveaux]] was sick and ultimately died from some sort of injury obtained while attempting to kill [[Arthur Petrelli]]. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} Charles' power may have been a 'spirit guide' or astral-type power, which Arthur took and later used against Angela.<br />

imported>Altes at 16:31, 21 August 2009

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	\| Charles is present in Peter's mind. \|\| Peter dreamed of Charles shortly after he died. \|\| {{plus}} He could be using telepathy to mentally visit Peter in his dreams.<br />		\| Charles is present in Peter's mind. \|\| Peter dreamed of Charles shortly after he died. \|\| {{plus}} He could be using telepathy to mentally visit Peter in his dreams.<br />
			{{minus}} It is unknown if he [[Power absorption\|still had]] his ability at that time.<br />
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