Theory:Charlie Andrews - Revision history

imported>KonBot: Replaced "Episode:Brave New World" with "Episode:Brave New World (Heroes)"

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Replaced "Episode:Brave New World" with "Episode:Brave New World (Heroes)"

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	{{plus}} Charlie ends up living as a grandmother.<br />		{{plus}} Charlie ends up living as a grandmother.<br />
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	\| [[Charlie]] lived to be older than 90 because [[enhanced memory\|her ability]] kept her mind healthy. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} In [[Brave New World]], Charlie said that her mind was healthy, but it was her body that was failing.<br />		\| [[Charlie]] lived to be older than 90 because [[enhanced memory\|her ability]] kept her mind healthy. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} In [[Episode:Brave New World (Heroes)\|Brave New World]], Charlie said that her mind was healthy, but it was her body that was failing.<br />
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imported>Intuitive Empath at 22:53, 12 April 2010

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	{{plus}} Charlie ends up living as a grandmother.<br />		{{plus}} Charlie ends up living as a grandmother.<br />
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	\| [[Charlie]] lived to be older than 90 because [[enhanced memory\|her ability]] kept her mind healthy. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} In [[Brave New World]], Charlie said that her mind was healthy, but it was her body that was failing.		\| [[Charlie]] lived to be older than 90 because [[enhanced memory\|her ability]] kept her mind healthy. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} In [[Brave New World]], Charlie said that her mind was healthy, but it was her body that was failing.<br />
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imported>Boycool42 at 21:45, 12 April 2010

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	:{{minus}} Past Hiro only appeared on Charlie's photo after future Hiro told him to go to the past.<br />		:{{minus}} Past Hiro only appeared on Charlie's photo after future Hiro told him to go to the past.<br />
	{{plus}} Charlie ends up living as a grandmother.<br />		{{plus}} Charlie ends up living as a grandmother.<br />
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			\| [[Charlie]] lived to be older than 90 because [[enhanced memory\|her ability]] kept her mind healthy. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} In [[Brave New World]], Charlie said that her mind was healthy, but it was her body that was failing.
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imported>Blood69 at 11:50, 11 March 2010

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	\| [[Hiro]]'s time traveling did change the "present", as evidenced by the changed picture from [[Charlie]]'s birthday. \|\| The events of the novel "[[Saving Charlie]]" pretty much confirm this theory. Hiro told Charlie about her impending death and the two spent Charlie's last night alive making love before Charlie went in to work. \|\| {{plus}} Hiro does not know what happened in the changed timeline; Charlie could well have known who he was. In fact "Saving Charlie" suggests that Charlie feigned ignorance.<br />		\| [[Hiro]]'s time traveling did change the "present", as evidenced by the changed picture from [[Charlie]]'s birthday. \|\| The events of the novel "[[Saving Charlie]]" pretty much confirm this theory. Hiro told Charlie about her impending death and the two spent Charlie's last night alive making love before Charlie went in to work. \|\| {{plus}} Hiro does not know what happened in the changed timeline; Charlie could well have known who he was. In fact "Saving Charlie" suggests that Charlie feigned ignorance.<br />
	:{{minus}} Past Hiro only appeared on Charlie's photo after future Hiro told him to go to the past.<br />		:{{minus}} Past Hiro only appeared on Charlie's photo after future Hiro told him to go to the past.<br />
			{{plus}} Charlie ends up living as a grandmother.<br />
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imported>PJDEP at 17:30, 28 February 2010

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	\| [[The Haitian]] visited [[Charlie]] and erased some of her memories. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} In ''[[Seven Minutes to Midnight]]'', she says that she had started only a week before reading the Japanese phrase book she received for her birthday six months earlier. In ''[[Six Months Ago]]'', she started using the book right away. Altering her memory may have interfered with [[Hiro]]'s efforts to save her — even though he bought her a ticket to Japan, her memory of being told to leave was erased.<br />		\| [[The Haitian]] visited [[Charlie]] and erased some of her memories. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} In ''[[Seven Minutes to Midnight]]'', she says that she had started only a week before reading the Japanese phrase book she received for her birthday six months earlier. In ''[[Six Months Ago]]'', she started using the book right away. Altering her memory may have interfered with [[Hiro]]'s efforts to save her — even though he bought her a ticket to Japan, her memory of being told to leave was erased.<br />
	{{plus}} Someone (not necessarily The Haitian, others have been seen to manipulate memories, notably [[Matt Parkman]]) must have changed her memories or somehow compelled or convinced her not to tell Hiro of their prior meeting. Hiro must have actually traveled to the past of the "original" timeline, as Ando, who had not traveled back in time saw the picture on the board, showing that past actually did happen. Supporting that, Hiro's trips to the past have always demonstrated that his actions were predestined and affected the "main" timeline (the picture in the Diner, and Adam remembers him). So either her memories were rewritten without Hiro in them, or she was intentionally hiding them from Hiro when he first entered the Diner on his personal timeline.<br />		{{plus}} Someone (not necessarily The Haitian, others have been seen to manipulate memories, notably [[Matt Parkman]]) must have changed her memories or somehow compelled or convinced her not to tell Hiro of their prior meeting. Hiro must have actually traveled to the past of the "original" timeline, as Ando, who had not traveled back in time saw the picture on the board, showing that past actually did happen. Supporting that, Hiro's trips to the past have always demonstrated that his actions were predestined and affected the "main" timeline (the picture in the Diner, and Adam remembers him). So either her memories were rewritten without Hiro in them, or she was intentionally hiding them from Hiro when he first entered the Diner on his personal timeline.<br />
	{{minus}} Short of Hiro meeting The Haitian in the future, winning his trust and being given a way to prove himself to The Haitian in the past so that he could convince him to go and erase Charlie's memory, there's no way this scenario could work.<br />		{{minus}} Short of Hiro meeting The Haitian in the future, winning his trust and being given a way to prove himself to The Haitian in the past so that he could convince him to go and erase Charlie's memory, there's no way this scenario could work.<br />

imported>Yoshi n1: all disproved

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imported>Intuitive Empath: Saving Charlie says they both died in a car crash when she was six months, she remembers it

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Saving Charlie says they both died in a car crash when she was six months, she remembers it

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	{{plus}} Arnold said, "No one deserves a fate like that..." (''[[Bloodlines, Part 2]]''), implying that he hid Charlie someplace dangerous.<br />		{{plus}} Arnold said, "No one deserves a fate like that..." (''[[Bloodlines, Part 2]]''), implying that he hid Charlie someplace dangerous.<br />
	:{{note}} He could betray Samuel and take Charlie to a safe place of his own choice.<br />		:{{note}} He could betray Samuel and take Charlie to a safe place of his own choice.<br />
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	\| Charlie is an orphan. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Her parents are nowhere to be seen and were never mentioned.<br />
	:{{plus}} They weren't present at her birthday party.<br />
	:{{plus}} They weren't with her to give her moral lend to help her cope with her terminal condition.<br />
	:{{plus}} They didn't appear even when she was killed by Sylar and kidnapped by Arnold.<br />
	{{plus}} Hiro is an orphan too (by the time he met Charlie, his mother was dead). If Charlie was one too, they would have even more in common.<br />
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imported>Altes at 14:42, 29 December 2009

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	{{plus}} Arnold said, "No one deserves a fate like that..." (''[[Bloodlines, Part 2]]''), implying that he hid Charlie someplace dangerous.<br />		{{plus}} Arnold said, "No one deserves a fate like that..." (''[[Bloodlines, Part 2]]''), implying that he hid Charlie someplace dangerous.<br />
	:{{note}} He could betray Samuel and take Charlie to a safe place of his own choice.<br />		:{{note}} He could betray Samuel and take Charlie to a safe place of his own choice.<br />
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			\| Charlie is an orphan. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Her parents are nowhere to be seen and were never mentioned.<br />
			:{{plus}} They weren't present at her birthday party.<br />
			:{{plus}} They weren't with her to give her moral lend to help her cope with her terminal condition.<br />
			:{{plus}} They didn't appear even when she was killed by Sylar and kidnapped by Arnold.<br />
			{{plus}} Hiro is an orphan too (by the time he met Charlie, his mother was dead). If Charlie was one too, they would have even more in common.<br />
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imported>Altes at 11:48, 22 December 2009

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	\| [[The Haitian]] visited [[Charlie]] and erased some of her memories. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} In ''[[Seven Minutes to Midnight]]'', she says that she had started only a week before reading the Japanese phrase book she received for her birthday six months earlier. In ''[[Six Months Ago]]'', she started using the book right away. Altering her memory may have interfered with [[Hiro]]'s efforts to save her — even though he bought her a ticket to Japan, her memory of being told to leave was erased.<br />		\| [[The Haitian]] visited [[Charlie]] and erased some of her memories. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} In ''[[Seven Minutes to Midnight]]'', she says that she had started only a week before reading the Japanese phrase book she received for her birthday six months earlier. In ''[[Six Months Ago]]'', she started using the book right away. Altering her memory may have interfered with [[Hiro]]'s efforts to save her — even though he bought her a ticket to Japan, her memory of being told to leave was erased.<br />
	{{plus}} Someone (not necessarily [[The Haitian]], others have been seen to manipulate memories, notably [[Matt Parkman]]) must have changed her memories or somehow compelled or convinced her not to tell Hiro of their prior meeting. Hiro must have actually traveled to the past of the "original" timeline, as Ando, who had not traveled back in time saw the picture on the board, showing that past actually did happen. Supporting that, Hiro's trips to the past have always demonstrated that his actions were predestined and affected the "main" timeline (the picture in the Diner, and Adam remembers him). So either her memories were rewritten without Hiro in them, or she was intentionally hiding them from Hiro when he first entered the Diner on his personal timeline.<br />		{{plus}} Someone (not necessarily The Haitian, others have been seen to manipulate memories, notably [[Matt Parkman]]) must have changed her memories or somehow compelled or convinced her not to tell Hiro of their prior meeting. Hiro must have actually traveled to the past of the "original" timeline, as Ando, who had not traveled back in time saw the picture on the board, showing that past actually did happen. Supporting that, Hiro's trips to the past have always demonstrated that his actions were predestined and affected the "main" timeline (the picture in the Diner, and Adam remembers him). So either her memories were rewritten without Hiro in them, or she was intentionally hiding them from Hiro when he first entered the Diner on his personal timeline.<br />
	{{minus}} Short of Hiro meeting The Haitian in the future, winning his trust and being given a way to prove himself to The Haitian in the past so that he could convince him to go and erase Charlie's memory, there's no way this scenario could work.<br />		{{minus}} Short of Hiro meeting The Haitian in the future, winning his trust and being given a way to prove himself to The Haitian in the past so that he could convince him to go and erase Charlie's memory, there's no way this scenario could work.<br />
	{{minus}} It is possible that Hiro simply remembered Charlie enjoying learning Japanese and went ahead and bought her a Japanese book himself.<br />		{{minus}} It is possible that Hiro simply remembered Charlie enjoying learning Japanese and went ahead and bought her a Japanese book himself.<br />
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	{{minus}} The events of ''[[Once Upon a Time in Texas]]'' imply that Charlie simply never met Hiro before he time traveled the first time to save her.<br />		{{minus}} The events of ''[[Once Upon a Time in Texas]]'' imply that Charlie simply never met Hiro before he time traveled the first time to save her.<br />
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	\| [[Charlie]] knew of her impending death in the changed time line. She simply did not acknowledge that she already knew [[Hiro]] when they "met for the first time". She accepted her death at the hands of [[Sylar]] because she was going to die of the blood clot anyway, and Hiro allowed her to experience love before she died. \|\| [[Ando]] doesn't remember anything differently. (''[[Six Months Ago]]'') \|\| {{plus}} The events of the novel "[[Saving Charlie]]" pretty much confirm this theory. [[Hiro]] told [[Charlie]] about her impending death and the two spent Charlie's last night alive making love before Charlie went in to work, with Hiro waiting until after his past self left to save Charlie in order to "return".<br />		\| [[Charlie]] knew of her impending death in the changed time line. She simply did not acknowledge that she already knew [[Hiro]] when they "met for the first time". She accepted her death at the hands of [[Sylar]] because she was going to die of the blood clot anyway, and Hiro allowed her to experience love before she died. \|\| [[Ando]] doesn't remember anything differently. (''[[Six Months Ago]]'') \|\| {{plus}} The events of the novel "[[Saving Charlie]]" pretty much confirm this theory. Hiro told Charlie about her impending death and the two spent Charlie's last night alive making love before Charlie went in to work, with Hiro waiting until after his past self left to save Charlie in order to "return".<br />
	{{minus}} Charlie never knew Sylar would come after her.<br />		{{minus}} Charlie never knew Sylar would come after her.<br />
	{{plus}} Hiro may have warned her (or she may have puzzled out for herself) that any recognizance of Hiro could cause a paradox and wreak unknowable havoc.<br />		{{plus}} Hiro may have warned her (or she may have puzzled out for herself) that any recognizance of Hiro could cause a paradox and wreak unknowable havoc.<br />
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	\| [[Hiro]]'s time traveling did change the "present", as evidenced by the changed picture from [[Charlie]]'s birthday. \|\| The events of the novel "[[Saving Charlie]]" pretty much confirm this theory. [[Hiro]] told [[Charlie]] about her impending death and the two spent Charlie's last night alive making love before Charlie went in to work. \|\| {{plus}} Hiro does not know what happened in the changed timeline; Charlie could well have known who he was. In fact "[[Saving Charlie]]" suggests that Charlie feigned ignorance.<br />		\| [[Hiro]]'s time traveling did change the "present", as evidenced by the changed picture from [[Charlie]]'s birthday. \|\| The events of the novel "[[Saving Charlie]]" pretty much confirm this theory. Hiro told Charlie about her impending death and the two spent Charlie's last night alive making love before Charlie went in to work. \|\| {{plus}} Hiro does not know what happened in the changed timeline; Charlie could well have known who he was. In fact "Saving Charlie" suggests that Charlie feigned ignorance.<br />
	{{~~plus~~}} Past Hiro only appeared on Charlie's photo after future Hiro told him to go to the past.<br />		:{{minus}} Past Hiro only appeared on Charlie's photo after future Hiro told him to go to the past.<br />
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	\| Charlie will end like [[Caitlin]]: [[Space-time manipulation\|trapped]] in an inaccessible point in time, forgotten by everyone and written out of the show for good. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} [[Samuel]] had [[Arnold]] trap her somewhere in time. If she is in the future, it can be averted, and Charlie may wink out of existence like Caitlin.<br />		\| Charlie will end like [[Caitlin]]: [[Space-time manipulation\|trapped]] in an inaccessible point in time, forgotten by everyone and written out of the show for good. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} [[Samuel]] had [[Arnold]] trap her somewhere in time. If she is in the future, it can be averted, and Charlie may wink out of existence like Caitlin.<br />
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	:{{note}} Overexerting his power will kill Hiro.<br />		:{{note}} Overexerting his power will kill Hiro.<br />
	:{{minus}} Samuel is using Charlie to gain Hiro's loyalty. Should Hiro learn that he cannot get her back, he would instantly turn against Samuel and refuse to help him. It's possible Samuel intends to reunite them once his problems are resolved. He's not inherently evil, after all.<br />		:{{minus}} Samuel is using Charlie to gain Hiro's loyalty. Should Hiro learn that he cannot get her back, he would instantly turn against Samuel and refuse to help him. It's possible Samuel intends to reunite them once his problems are resolved. He's not inherently evil, after all.<br />
			{{plus}} Arnold said, "No one deserves a fate like that..." (''[[Bloodlines, Part 2]]''), implying that he hid Charlie someplace dangerous.<br />
			:{{note}} He could betray Samuel and take Charlie to a safe place of his own choice.<br />
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	\| Charlie is not [[Space-time manipulation\|trapped]] somewhere in time, but [[Cloaking\|hidden]] somewhere in the [[carnival]]. \|\| Charlie's name tag had fallen off in the present. (''[[Once Upon a Time in Texas]]'') \|\| {{plus}} It seems unlikely that [[Arnold]] had the energy to kidnap Charlie, return to the present, travel somewhere else in time to trap her, then return to the present to die.<br/>		\| Charlie is not [[Space-time manipulation\|trapped]] somewhere in time, but [[Cloaking\|hidden]] somewhere in the [[carnival]]. \|\| Charlie's name tag had fallen off in the present. (''[[Once Upon a Time in Texas]]'') \|\| {{plus}} It seems unlikely that [[Arnold]] had the energy to kidnap Charlie, return to the present, travel somewhere else in time to trap her, then return to the present to die.<br/>
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	{{plus}} [[Samuel]] may have lied to [[Hiro]] about trapping Charlie somewhere else in time so Hiro would believe he has no chance of finding her without Samuel.<br/>		{{plus}} [[Samuel]] may have lied to [[Hiro]] about trapping Charlie somewhere else in time so Hiro would believe he has no chance of finding her without Samuel.<br/>
	:{{minus}} If Charlie is somewhere in the carnival, invisible, Hiro may accidentally run into her.<br />		:{{minus}} If Charlie is somewhere in the carnival, invisible, Hiro may accidentally run into her.<br />
	::{{minus}} If she was hidden in the ~~Carnival~~, it is likely she would call out to Hiro, or at least try letting him know she's there, or that she's fine.<br />		::{{minus}} If she was hidden in the carnival, it is likely she would call out to Hiro, or at least try letting him know she's there, or that she's fine.<br />
	:::{{note}} Maybe Teddy can cloak sound, too.<br />		:::{{note}} Maybe Teddy can cloak sound, too.<br />
			{{minus}} Arnold said, "No one deserves a fate like that..." (''[[Bloodlines, Part 2]]''), implying that he hid Charlie someplace dangerous.<br />
			:{{note}} He could betray Samuel and take Charlie to a safe place of his own choice.<br />
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	\| Charlie will return when ''Glee'' is terminated. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} The actress that plays [[Charlie]], [[Jayma Mays]], is on a Fox network non animated television program. Seeing ''Firefly'', ''Dead Like Me'', ''Wonderfalls'' and others lasted only two seasons; it is likely that ''Glee'' will do the same. Making the actress available to resume as Charlie Andrews.<br />		\| [[Charlie]] will return when ''Glee'' is terminated. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} The actress that plays Charlie, [[Jayma Mays]], is on a Fox network non animated television program. Seeing ''Firefly'', ''Dead Like Me'', ''Wonderfalls'' and others lasted only two seasons; it is likely that ''Glee'' will do the same. Making the actress available to resume as Charlie Andrews.<br />
	{{plus}} Actors often move from television show to television show. Like Tessa Thompson and Kristen Bell from ''Veronica Mars'' to ''Heroes'' or Hayden Panettiere from ''Malcolm in the Middle'' to ''Heroes''. Once ''Glee'' ends, Jayma could return.<br />		{{plus}} Actors often move from television show to television show. Like Tessa Thompson and Kristen Bell from ''Veronica Mars'' to ''Heroes'' or Hayden Panettiere from ''Malcolm in the Middle'' to ''Heroes''. Once ''Glee'' ends, Jayma could return.<br />
	{{minus}} ''Heroes'' may be terminated before ''Glee''.<br />		{{minus}} ''Heroes'' may be terminated before ''Glee''.<br />
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	{{plus}} Now that Arnold is dead, Samuel has no method of sending Charlie food/water.<br />		{{plus}} Now that Arnold is dead, Samuel has no method of sending Charlie food/water.<br />
	:{{minus}} She could be "somewhere/somewhen" she has access to those.<br />		:{{minus}} She could be "somewhere/somewhen" she has access to those.<br />
			{{plus}} Arnold said, "No one deserves a fate like that..." (''[[Bloodlines, Part 2]]''), implying that he hid Charlie someplace dangerous.<br />
			:{{note}} He could betray Samuel and take Charlie to a safe place of his own choice.<br />
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