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	:::::{{note}} It would be almost impossible for the Company to react that quickly. They often let tips lie around for months or years before bothering to investigate.<br />		:::::{{note}} It would be almost impossible for the Company to react that quickly. They often let tips lie around for months or years before bothering to investigate.<br />
	::::::{{note}} Considering how long the Company was active for, very little is known about what they did through the years, and how they did it. Evolved human agents come and go, there's no way to say which abilities they might have had under their command.<br />		::::::{{note}} Considering how long the Company was active for, very little is known about what they did through the years, and how they did it. Evolved human agents come and go, there's no way to say which abilities they might have had under their command.<br />
	:{{~~minus~~}} The only other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much heat that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />		:{{plus}} The only other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much heat that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />
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	\| Organic matter cannot be liquefied. \|\| Zane's body was shown completely un-liquefied. (''[[Run!]]'') \|\| {{plus}} He was on tarps so [[Sylar]] may have tried to liquefy but could not. <br />		\| Organic matter cannot be liquefied. \|\| Zane's body was shown completely un-liquefied. (''[[Run!]]'') \|\| {{plus}} He was on tarps so [[Sylar]] may have tried to liquefy but could not. <br />
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	:{{note}} Sylar's ability allows him to understand how things work and therefore often has greater skill and understanding of the abilities he stole from other evolved humans.<br />		:{{note}} Sylar's ability allows him to understand how things work and therefore often has greater skill and understanding of the abilities he stole from other evolved humans.<br />
	{{minus}} In the episode commentary, it was stated that the ability allows melting of any object. ([[Talk:Melting#Commentary_transcript]]).<br />		{{minus}} In the episode commentary, it was stated that the ability allows melting of any object. ([[Talk:Melting#Commentary_transcript]]).<br />
			{{minus}} Organic matter is constructed of the same atoms that compose inorganic matter. If the ability could liquefy a lamp and a speaker (both of which were made from multiple substances), then it should be able to liquefy organic matter.<br />
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	\| If Zane got a sword, and liquefaction was reversible, then, with sufficient training, he can morph the blade into several different shapes depending on the necessary occasion. \|\| None \|\| {{note}} Zane is dead.<br />		\| If Zane got a sword, and liquefaction was reversible, then, with sufficient training, he can morph the blade into several different shapes depending on the necessary occasion. \|\| None \|\| {{note}} Zane is dead.<br />
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	\| This power can also change matter to solids or gases. \|\| None \|\| {{minus}} This ability has never been shown in the series.<br />		\| This power can also change matter to solids or gases. \|\| None \|\| {{minus}} This ability has never been shown in the series.<br />
	:{{plus}} Zane did not seem to have much control over his power, so never took it to its full potential.<br />		:{{plus}} Zane did not seem to have much control over his power, so never took it to its full potential.<br />
			{{minus}} Changing an object into a solid would require tightening its molecular structure and/or reinforcing the chemical bonds between its molecules. This is the exact opposite of what Zane's ability did.<br />
			{{note}} Vaporizing/subliming an object would involve completely dissolving the chemical bonds that held it together. While certainly a logical extension of melting, vaporizing/subliming an object would require significant development of the ability (or repeated usage on the same object.)<br />
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	\| A better name for this [[ability]] would be "liquefaction". \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Objects effected by this ability instantly change from liquid to solid and since there appears to be no form of heat liquefying these objects it cannot truly be called melting.<br />		\| A better name for this [[ability]] would be "liquefaction". \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Objects effected by this ability instantly change from liquid to solid and since there appears to be no form of heat liquefying these objects it cannot truly be called melting.<br />

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	:{{note}} Zane's brain was already removed, and thus if Zane's power and his immunity to his power were housed in his brain, Zane wouldn't have been protected from being liquefied if Sylar so chose to do so.<br />		:{{note}} Zane's brain was already removed, and thus if Zane's power and his immunity to his power were housed in his brain, Zane wouldn't have been protected from being liquefied if Sylar so chose to do so.<br />
	:{{minus}} Sylar is said to have ''understanding of how things work'' ability. So he does not have to ''eat'' or remove brains. He studies his victims' brain, understands how the power works and then mimic it. From that, Zane's brain was not removed.<br />		:{{minus}} Sylar is said to have ''understanding of how things work'' ability. So he does not have to ''eat'' or remove brains. He studies his victims' brain, understands how the power works and then mimic it. From that, Zane's brain was not removed.<br />
			::{{minus}} Even if Zane's brain had been removed, it wouldn't suddenly render his remains vulnerable to being liquefied. Ability immunity is a function of an evolved human's DNA, which is the same for every cell in the body. If he was immune to melting while living, he would be just as immune to it after death, no matter what was done to his corpse.<br />
	{{minus}} There were tarps everywhere, it was likely just that there were already tarps in the room that he was killed in. [[Sylar]] had no reason to care about making a mess of [[Zane Taylor's home]].<br />		{{minus}} There were tarps everywhere, it was likely just that there were already tarps in the room that he was killed in. [[Sylar]] had no reason to care about making a mess of [[Zane Taylor's home]].<br />
	{{minus}} Sylar might not have been intended by the writers to liquefy Zane's body as he would need Zane's DNA for [[Mohinder]] later.<br />		{{minus}} Sylar might not have been intended by the writers to liquefy Zane's body as he would need Zane's DNA for [[Mohinder]] later.<br />

imported>D and d 123 at 23:32, 25 November 2009

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	{{note}} This could be simply a prop mistake.<br />		{{note}} This could be simply a prop mistake.<br />
	{{minus}} Zane could have melted just half of the objects. [[:Image:Sylar in Virginia Beach.JPG\|Zane's mail box]] isn't completely melted. If it was melted, it probably would form a puddle in the ground.<br />		{{minus}} Zane could have melted just half of the objects. [[:Image:Sylar in Virginia Beach.JPG\|Zane's mail box]] isn't completely melted. If it was melted, it probably would form a puddle in the ground.<br />
			:{{plus}} Even if he only partially melted it, the mailbox's flag would not have been deformed; if he permanently liquefied it, there would be a hunk missing and a reddish puddle on the ground.<br />
	{{plus}} It is likely Zane's power worked by tweaking the molecular structure of the objects, reducing them to liquid. However, if the effects were permanent, then the policemen who investigated his apartment would have been surprised (and that is the understatement of the decade) to find that "those weird puddles in the dead dude's apartment" were in fact made of wood, chrome, and other such substances which are not supposed to be liquid at room temperature, ''ever''. The resultant frenzy would have probably ended with evolved humans being uncovered once and for all. The Company would have killed Zane rather than risk the creation of such a media firestorm.<br />		{{plus}} It is likely Zane's power worked by tweaking the molecular structure of the objects, reducing them to liquid. However, if the effects were permanent, then the policemen who investigated his apartment would have been surprised (and that is the understatement of the decade) to find that "those weird puddles in the dead dude's apartment" were in fact made of wood, chrome, and other such substances which are not supposed to be liquid at room temperature, ''ever''. The resultant frenzy would have probably ended with evolved humans being uncovered once and for all. The Company would have killed Zane rather than risk the creation of such a media firestorm.<br />
	:{{note}} Or the Haitian would have a very busy week.<br />		:{{note}} Or the Haitian would have a very busy week.<br />
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	:::{{note}} Likewise, mental manipulation erases memories. He would have needed to implant new ones to explain the massive blank spot in the peoples' memories, an ability which he does not possess. If half a day of your life is a gray blur, you get suspicious. If all of your co-workers have lost the exact same chunk of time as well, at least one person will suggest launching an investigation.<br />		:::{{note}} Likewise, mental manipulation erases memories. He would have needed to implant new ones to explain the massive blank spot in the peoples' memories, an ability which he does not possess. If half a day of your life is a gray blur, you get suspicious. If all of your co-workers have lost the exact same chunk of time as well, at least one person will suggest launching an investigation.<br />
	::::{{note}} The Company could have other evolved humans with abilities that would sort that out, such as telepaths to implant false memories, or they could call agents that were abroad.<br />		::::{{note}} The Company could have other evolved humans with abilities that would sort that out, such as telepaths to implant false memories, or they could call agents that were abroad.<br />
	:::::{{~~minus~~}} It would be almost impossible for the Company to react that quickly. They often let tips lie around for months or years before bothering to investigate.<br />		:::::{{note}} It would be almost impossible for the Company to react that quickly. They often let tips lie around for months or years before bothering to investigate.<br />
	::::::{{~~plus~~}} Considering how long the Company was active for, very little is known about what they did through the years, and how they did it. Evolved human agents come and go, there's no way to say which abilities they might have had under their command.<br />		::::::{{note}} Considering how long the Company was active for, very little is known about what they did through the years, and how they did it. Evolved human agents come and go, there's no way to say which abilities they might have had under their command.<br />
	:{{~~note~~}} The only other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much heat that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />		:{{minus}} The only other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much heat that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />
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	\| Organic matter cannot be liquefied. \|\| Zane's body was shown completely un-liquefied. (''[[Run!]]'') \|\| {{plus}} He was on tarps so [[Sylar]] may have tried to liquefy but could not. <br />		\| Organic matter cannot be liquefied. \|\| Zane's body was shown completely un-liquefied. (''[[Run!]]'') \|\| {{plus}} He was on tarps so [[Sylar]] may have tried to liquefy but could not. <br />

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	:::::{{minus}} It would be almost impossible for the Company to react that quickly. They often let tips lie around for months or years before bothering to investigate.<br />		:::::{{minus}} It would be almost impossible for the Company to react that quickly. They often let tips lie around for months or years before bothering to investigate.<br />
	::::::{{plus}} Considering how long the Company was active for, very little is known about what they did through the years, and how they did it. Evolved human agents come and go, there's no way to say which abilities they might have had under their command.<br />		::::::{{plus}} Considering how long the Company was active for, very little is known about what they did through the years, and how they did it. Evolved human agents come and go, there's no way to say which abilities they might have had under their command.<br />
	:{{note}} The only other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />		:{{note}} The only other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much heat that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />
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	\| Organic matter cannot be liquefied. \|\| Zane's body was shown completely un-liquefied. (''[[Run!]]'') \|\| {{plus}} He was on tarps so [[Sylar]] may have tried to liquefy but could not. <br />		\| Organic matter cannot be liquefied. \|\| Zane's body was shown completely un-liquefied. (''[[Run!]]'') \|\| {{plus}} He was on tarps so [[Sylar]] may have tried to liquefy but could not. <br />

imported>D and d 123 at 23:22, 3 November 2009

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	:::::{{minus}} It would be almost impossible for the Company to react that quickly. They often let tips lie around for months or years before bothering to investigate.<br />		:::::{{minus}} It would be almost impossible for the Company to react that quickly. They often let tips lie around for months or years before bothering to investigate.<br />
	::::::{{plus}} Considering how long the Company was active for, very little is known about what they did through the years, and how they did it. Evolved human agents come and go, there's no way to say which abilities they might have had under their command.<br />		::::::{{plus}} Considering how long the Company was active for, very little is known about what they did through the years, and how they did it. Evolved human agents come and go, there's no way to say which abilities they might have had under their command.<br />
	:{{note}} The other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />		:{{note}} The only other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />
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	\| Organic matter cannot be liquefied. \|\| Zane's body was shown completely un-liquefied. (''[[Run!]]'') \|\| {{plus}} He was on tarps so [[Sylar]] may have tried to liquefy but could not. <br />		\| Organic matter cannot be liquefied. \|\| Zane's body was shown completely un-liquefied. (''[[Run!]]'') \|\| {{plus}} He was on tarps so [[Sylar]] may have tried to liquefy but could not. <br />

imported>Intuitive Empath at 17:24, 1 November 2009

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	::::{{note}} The Company could have other evolved humans with abilities that would sort that out, such as telepaths to implant false memories, or they could call agents that were abroad.<br />		::::{{note}} The Company could have other evolved humans with abilities that would sort that out, such as telepaths to implant false memories, or they could call agents that were abroad.<br />
	:::::{{minus}} It would be almost impossible for the Company to react that quickly. They often let tips lie around for months or years before bothering to investigate.<br />		:::::{{minus}} It would be almost impossible for the Company to react that quickly. They often let tips lie around for months or years before bothering to investigate.<br />
			::::::{{plus}} Considering how long the Company was active for, very little is known about what they did through the years, and how they did it. Evolved human agents come and go, there's no way to say which abilities they might have had under their command.<br />
	:{{note}} The other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />		:{{note}} The other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />
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imported>D and d 123 at 18:45, 31 October 2009

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	:::{{note}} Likewise, mental manipulation erases memories. He would have needed to implant new ones to explain the massive blank spot in the peoples' memories, an ability which he does not possess. If half a day of your life is a gray blur, you get suspicious. If all of your co-workers have lost the exact same chunk of time as well, at least one person will suggest launching an investigation.<br />		:::{{note}} Likewise, mental manipulation erases memories. He would have needed to implant new ones to explain the massive blank spot in the peoples' memories, an ability which he does not possess. If half a day of your life is a gray blur, you get suspicious. If all of your co-workers have lost the exact same chunk of time as well, at least one person will suggest launching an investigation.<br />
	::::{{note}} The Company could have other evolved humans with abilities that would sort that out, such as telepaths to implant false memories, or they could call agents that were abroad.<br />		::::{{note}} The Company could have other evolved humans with abilities that would sort that out, such as telepaths to implant false memories, or they could call agents that were abroad.<br />
			:::::{{minus}} It would be almost impossible for the Company to react that quickly. They often let tips lie around for months or years before bothering to investigate.<br />
	:{{note}} The other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />		:{{note}} The other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />
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imported>Intuitive Empath at 23:05, 29 October 2009

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	\| [[Melting]] is actually molecular manipulation. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Zane didn't have much control over his ability and therefore wouldn't be aware of it's full potential.<br />		\| [[Melting]] is actually molecular manipulation. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Zane didn't have much control over his ability and therefore wouldn't be aware of it's full potential.<br />
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	{{plus}} It is likely Zane's power worked by tweaking the molecular structure of the objects, reducing them to liquid. However, if the effects were permanent, then the policemen who investigated his apartment would have been surprised (and that is the understatement of the decade) to find that "those weird puddles in the dead dude's apartment" were in fact made of wood, chrome, and other such substances which are not supposed to be liquid at room temperature, ''ever''. The resultant frenzy would have probably ended with evolved humans being uncovered once and for all. The Company would have killed Zane rather than risk the creation of such a media firestorm.<br />		{{plus}} It is likely Zane's power worked by tweaking the molecular structure of the objects, reducing them to liquid. However, if the effects were permanent, then the policemen who investigated his apartment would have been surprised (and that is the understatement of the decade) to find that "those weird puddles in the dead dude's apartment" were in fact made of wood, chrome, and other such substances which are not supposed to be liquid at room temperature, ''ever''. The resultant frenzy would have probably ended with evolved humans being uncovered once and for all. The Company would have killed Zane rather than risk the creation of such a media firestorm.<br />
	:{{note}} Or the Haitian would have a very busy week.<br />		:{{note}} Or the Haitian would have a very busy week.<br />
	::{{note}} As amazing as the Haitian is, even he wouldn't have a snowball's chance in Hades at erasing the memories of an entire police department before even one of them could tell someone else, who would then tell someone else, etc.		::{{note}} As amazing as the Haitian is, even he wouldn't have a snowball's chance in Hades at erasing the memories of an entire police department before even one of them could tell someone else, who would then tell someone else, etc.<br />
	:::{{note}} Likewise, mental manipulation erases memories. He would have needed to implant new ones to explain the massive blank spot in the peoples' memories, an ability which he does not possess. If half a day of your life is a gray blur, you get suspicious. If all of your co-workers have lost the exact same chunk of time as well, at least one person will suggest launching an investigation.<br />		:::{{note}} Likewise, mental manipulation erases memories. He would have needed to implant new ones to explain the massive blank spot in the peoples' memories, an ability which he does not possess. If half a day of your life is a gray blur, you get suspicious. If all of your co-workers have lost the exact same chunk of time as well, at least one person will suggest launching an investigation.<br />
			::::{{note}} The Company could have other evolved humans with abilities that would sort that out, such as telepaths to implant false memories, or they could call agents that were abroad.<br />
	:{{note}} The other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />		:{{note}} The other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />
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	{{plus}} It is likely Zane's power worked by tweaking the molecular structure of the objects, reducing them to liquid. However, if the effects were permanent, then the policemen who investigated his apartment would have been surprised (and that is the understatement of the decade) to find that "those weird puddles in the dead dude's apartment" were in fact made of wood, chrome, and other such substances which are not supposed to be liquid at room temperature, ''ever''. The resultant frenzy would have probably ended with evolved humans being uncovered once and for all. The Company would have killed Zane rather than risk the creation of such a media firestorm.<br />		{{plus}} It is likely Zane's power worked by tweaking the molecular structure of the objects, reducing them to liquid. However, if the effects were permanent, then the policemen who investigated his apartment would have been surprised (and that is the understatement of the decade) to find that "those weird puddles in the dead dude's apartment" were in fact made of wood, chrome, and other such substances which are not supposed to be liquid at room temperature, ''ever''. The resultant frenzy would have probably ended with evolved humans being uncovered once and for all. The Company would have killed Zane rather than risk the creation of such a media firestorm.<br />
	:{{note}} Or the Haitian would have a very busy week.<br />		:{{note}} Or the Haitian would have a very busy week.<br />
			::{{note}} As amazing as the Haitian is, even he wouldn't have a snowball's chance in Hades at erasing the memories of an entire police department before even one of them could tell someone else, who would then tell someone else, etc.
			:::{{note}} Likewise, mental manipulation erases memories. He would have needed to implant new ones to explain the massive blank spot in the peoples' memories, an ability which he does not possess. If half a day of your life is a gray blur, you get suspicious. If all of your co-workers have lost the exact same chunk of time as well, at least one person will suggest launching an investigation.<br />
	:{{note}} The other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />		:{{note}} The other possible way for melting to work would be for the user to just blast the object with so much that it would liquefy before it could burn. If that were true, then each use of the power would cause every flammable object within a five-foot radius to combust as the heat radiated outward from the now-melted object.<br />
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