Theory:Noah Gray - Revision history

imported>Kyogre blast at 12:32, 11 May 2010

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imported>Kyogre blast at 12:32, 11 May 2010

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	\| Noah Gray is named after [[Noah Gray-Cabey]] ([[Micah Sanders]]). \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Noah is a baby, hence cute, aptly named after a cute character (in this case, its actor).<br />		\| Noah Gray is named after [[Noah Gray-Cabey]] ([[Micah Sanders]]). \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Noah is a baby, hence cute, aptly named after a cute character (in this case, its actor).<br />
	:{{note}} He couldn't have been named after other cute characters such as [[Elle Bishop]], [[Niki Sanders]], [[Daphne Millbrook]] or [[Mr. Muggles]] as only Noah fits the bill (due to the last name).<br />		:{{note}} He couldn't have been named after other cute characters such as [[Elle Bishop]], [[Niki Sanders]], [[Daphne Millbrook]] or [[Mr. Muggles]] as only Noah fits the bill (due to the last name).<br />
			::{{note}} So someone who can throw you through a wall, electrocute you to a crisp, or even run through time is cute?<br />
			::{{note}} These people are all women, naming a male character after a female actress would be a bit disturbing... the same as naming someone after a dog...<br />
	{{plus}} This wouldn't be the only time the writers name a character after a crew member: for example, [[Samuel]] uses an alias, [[Bill Hooper\|William Hooper]], who portrayed [[James Martin]], and [[Tracy Strauss]] is [[Aron Coleite]]'s wife maiden name.<br />		{{plus}} This wouldn't be the only time the writers name a character after a crew member: for example, [[Samuel]] uses an alias, [[Bill Hooper\|William Hooper]], who portrayed [[James Martin]], and [[Tracy Strauss]] is [[Aron Coleite]]'s wife maiden name.<br />
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imported>Boycool42 at 22:12, 11 March 2010

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	:{{minus}} Then Noah would be little less than Sylar's clone.<br />		:{{minus}} Then Noah would be little less than Sylar's clone.<br />
	:{{note}} That was the original plan, she's Kurt's mother, his father is an ancient mutant.<br />		:{{note}} That was the original plan, she's Kurt's mother, his father is an ancient mutant.<br />
			:{{note}} This is irrelevent.<br />
	{{plus}} Sylar could have given a sperm sample and then shape shifted into a female and impregnated himself.<br />		{{plus}} Sylar could have given a sperm sample and then shape shifted into a female and impregnated himself.<br />
	{{minus}} This is Heroes, an NBC show that has mostly been squeamish about homosexuality. Somehow a man impregnating himself, seems exceedingly unlikely.<br />		{{minus}} This is Heroes, an NBC show that has mostly been squeamish about homosexuality. Somehow a man impregnating himself, seems exceedingly unlikely.<br />

imported>Josh at 00:09, 11 March 2010

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	::{{note}} Bob was very harsh on Elle, and the extent of her love is debatable<br />		::{{note}} Bob was very harsh on Elle, and the extent of her love is debatable<br />
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	\| Noah would have been the son of Elle and Sylar. \|\| Noah resembles both of them (he is blond, like Elle, and has brown eyes, like Sylar). \|\| {{~~plus~~}} ~~Noah~~ is ~~born sometime in 2007~~, ~~since he is about four~~ ~~years~~ ~~old~~ in ~~2011~~.<br />		\| Noah would have been the son of Elle and Sylar. \|\| Noah resembles both of them (he is blond, like Elle, and has brown eyes, like Sylar). \|\| {{minus}} Elle is dead, and her body was cremated.<br />
	:{{minus}} Pregnancy lasts for nine months, thus Noah would be born in 2008. While he definetely looked four years old.<br />
	:{{plus}} So its impossible for him to be born, prematurely?<br />
⚫	::{{note}} It ~~could~~ be a ~~plot hole~~.<br />
	{{minus}} Elle is dead, and her body was cremated.<br />
	:{{note}} Noah Gray is born in an alternate future.<br>		:{{note}} Noah Gray is born in an alternate future.<br>
	{{plus}} Greg Beeman talked about Elle on [http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/2008/12/beemans-blog-season-3-episode-12.html his blog] saying, "There were potential storylines about pregnancies and babies…" This could mean the original intention was for Elle to be the mother of Noah.<br />		{{plus}} Greg Beeman talked about Elle on [http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/2008/12/beemans-blog-season-3-episode-12.html his blog] saying, "There were potential storylines about pregnancies and babies…" This could mean the original intention was for Elle to be the mother of Noah.<br />
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	{{plus}} Since [[Sylar]] was [[Gabriel Gray (exposed future)\|good]] in that future, Noah's mother should have had been [[Elle]], who Sylar was briefly romantically involved with. Elle is dead, and Sylar is Nathan. There are no prerequisites for Noah to be born.<br />		{{plus}} Since [[Sylar]] was [[Gabriel Gray (exposed future)\|good]] in that future, Noah's mother should have had been [[Elle]], who Sylar was briefly romantically involved with. Elle is dead, and Sylar is Nathan. There are no prerequisites for Noah to be born.<br />
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	\| Noah Gray is actually [[~~Matthew~~ Parkman]], ~~[[Matt Parkman~~]]~~'s son~~. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} He is the right age.<br />		\| Noah Gray is actually [[Matt Parkman, Jr.]]. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} He is the right age.<br />
	:{{plus}} Matt could believe that his son was lost to him (dead, abducted), and not realize Sylar is raising him as his own.<br />		:{{plus}} Matt could believe that his son was lost to him (dead, abducted), and not realize Sylar is raising him as his own.<br />
	{{plus}} His light hair could turn darker as he ages. Many brunettes and redheads have blond hair as children.<br />		{{plus}} His light hair could turn darker as he ages. Many brunettes and redheads have blond hair as children.<br />
	{{plus}} Matthew's power may actually calm/cure Sylar's hunger, which is another reason he may take the child as his own.<br />		{{plus}} Matthew's power may actually calm/cure Sylar's hunger, which is another reason he may take the child as his own.<br />
	{{plus}} Matt Parkman, Jr. does have the ability to turn things on and off, maybe he turned off the hunger and also activated Sylar's induced radioactivity and precognition, just like with Hiro.<br />		{{plus}} Matt Parkman, Jr. does have the ability to turn things on and off, maybe he turned off the hunger and also activated Sylar's induced radioactivity and precognition, just like with Hiro.<br />
	{{plus}} [[Matt Parkman]] is ~~being~~ possessed by [[Sylar]] as of ~~[[Strange~~ ~~Attractors]]~~.<br />		{{plus}} [[Matt Parkman]] is possessed by [[Sylar]] in the new future.<br />
			:{{minus}} This is because of Nathan's death. Nathan was alive in the exposed future.<br />
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	\| [[Sylar]] ~~could be~~ Noah's mother. \|\| Shapeshifters can change gender. \|\| {{plus}} Shapeshifter Mystique in [[X-Men]] changed gender and is the father of Kurt, a.k.a. Nightcrawler.<br />		\| [[Sylar]] is Noah's mother. \|\| Shapeshifters can change gender. \|\| {{plus}} Shapeshifter Mystique in [[X-Men]] changed gender and is the father of Kurt, a.k.a. Nightcrawler.<br />
		⚫	:{{minus}} Then Noah would be little less than Sylar's clone.<br />
	:{{note}} That was the original plan, she's Kurt's mother, his father is an ancient mutant.<br />		:{{note}} That was the original plan, she's Kurt's mother, his father is an ancient mutant.<br />
		⚫	{{plus}} Sylar could have given a sperm sample and then shape shifted into a female and impregnated himself.<br />
		⚫	{{minus}} This is Heroes, an NBC show that has mostly been squeamish about homosexuality. Somehow a man impregnating himself, seems exceedingly unlikely.<br />
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	\| Noah Gray's mother is [[Tracy Strauss]]. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} [[Sylar]] ~~thinks~~ that he is [[Nathan]] and ~~may recall~~ romantic feelings upon meeting Tracy.<br />		\| Noah Gray's mother is [[Tracy Strauss]]. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} In the new future, [[Sylar]] thought that he was [[Nathan]] and recalled romantic feelings upon meeting Tracy.<br />
	:{{minus}} In the exposed future Nathan was alive and Sylar was Sylar.<br />		:{{minus}} In the exposed future Nathan was alive and Sylar was Sylar.<br />
	{{minus}} Tracy definitely wouldn't want to be in a relationship with the man who sold her out to the government.<br />
	:{{plus}} Elle forgave Sylar for killing her father; Tracy could forgive Nathan for selling her out to the government.<br />
	{{note}} Since it was [[Danko]] who spoiled everything, not Nathan, Tracy may get back together with him - or rather with [[Sylar\|the man]] [[Shape shifting\|who poses as him]]. But nothing suggests they will have a child, especially the one who was seen in an averted future. Noah's fate isn't as certain as, for example, [[Matt Parkman, Jr.]]'s - [[Janice]] was pregnant in the present, so we knew baby Matt would be born. But Sylar hasn't conceived a child yet.<br />
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	\| Noah is named after H.R.G. (Noah Bennet). \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Claire mentions that Sylar took everything away from her, possibly her father.<br />		\| Noah is named after H.R.G. (Noah Bennet). \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Claire mentions that Sylar took everything away from her, possibly her father.<br />
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	{{plus}} This theory would also be true if Noah Gray was an age shifted Noah Bennet, who may have began reaging from a baby.<br />		{{plus}} This theory would also be true if Noah Gray was an age shifted Noah Bennet, who may have began reaging from a baby.<br />
	:{{minus}} According to Claire, her parents were dead (''[[Resistance]]'').<br />		:{{minus}} According to Claire, her parents were dead (''[[Resistance]]'').<br />
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	\| [[Sylar]] is the mother and father of Noah. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Using [[shape shifting]] he could change from male to female.<br />
⚫	:{{minus}} Then Noah would be little less than Sylar's clone.<br />
	::{{note}} But it still is possible.<br />
⚫	{{plus}} Sylar could have given a sperm sample and then shape shifted into a female and impregnated himself.<br />
⚫	{{minus}} This is Heroes, an NBC show that has mostly been squeamish about homosexuality. Somehow a man impregnating himself, seems exceedingly unlikely~~. Especially for a man with IE~~.<br />
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	\| Noah Gray is named after [[Noah Gray-Cabey]] ([[Micah Sanders]]). \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Noah is a baby, hence cute, aptly named after a cute character (in this case, its actor).<br />		\| Noah Gray is named after [[Noah Gray-Cabey]] ([[Micah Sanders]]). \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Noah is a baby, hence cute, aptly named after a cute character (in this case, its actor).<br />
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	{{plus}} This wouldn't be the only time the writers name a character after a crew member: for example, [[Samuel]] uses an alias, [[Bill Hooper\|William Hooper]], who portrayed [[James Martin]], and [[Tracy Strauss]] is [[Aron Coleite]]'s wife maiden name.<br />		{{plus}} This wouldn't be the only time the writers name a character after a crew member: for example, [[Samuel]] uses an alias, [[Bill Hooper\|William Hooper]], who portrayed [[James Martin]], and [[Tracy Strauss]] is [[Aron Coleite]]'s wife maiden name.<br />
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	\| Noah Gray is ~~going~~ to exist. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Sylar has began the path to being good.<br />		\| Noah Gray exists or will exist. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Sylar has began the path to being good.<br />
	{{minus}} He would be only a year old.<br />		{{minus}} He would be only a year old in 2011 if he has not been conceived yet.<br />
	{{plus}} ~~Unless~~ ~~[[Matt~~ ~~Junior]]~~ is ~~Noah~~ ~~Gray~~.<br />		{{plus}} Claire or Maya could mother his child.<br />
			:{{minus}} Claire has feelings for a girl.<br />
	:{{plus}} [[Matt]] and [[Janice]] both hate Sylar. He might accidentally kill them and adopt their son.<br />
		⚫	:{{minus}} Maya has no love for Gabriel Gray and moved away.<br />
	::{{minus}} Sylar appears to want to stay good, he can't go killing people he doesn't like as long as he wishes to stay good.<br />
	:{{~~plus~~}} ~~Claire~~ ~~and~~ ~~Maya~~ ~~are~~ ~~still alive~~ ~~and~~ ~~could~~ ~~mother~~ ~~his~~ ~~child~~.<br />		:{{note}} It is unknown how Claire's ability would handle a pregnancy.<br />
		⚫	::{{note}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />
⚫	::{{minus}} ~~Claire is dating a girl now and is possibly homosexual.~~ Maya has no love for Gabriel Gray and moved away.<br />
		⚫	:::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />
	::{{note}} It is unknown how Claire's ability would handle a pregnancy.<br />
	:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />
⚫	::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />
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imported>Mc hammark: it doesn't, and now it's just a personal attack on me

2010-03-10T22:19:03Z

it doesn't, and now it's just a personal attack on me

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	:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />		:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />
	::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />		::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />
	:::::{{plus}} It's possible Mc Hammark could wake up with his head sewn to the carpet <small>hint, hint</small>, but he won't <small>if he stops removing this</small>.<br />
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imported>Boycool42: Yes, it does

2010-03-10T22:13:44Z

Yes, it does

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	:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />		:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />
	::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />		::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />
			:::::{{plus}} It's possible Mc Hammark could wake up with his head sewn to the carpet <small>hint, hint</small>, but he won't <small>if he stops removing this</small>.<br />
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imported>Mc hammark: this has '''nothing''' to do with the thoery, and don't threaten people

2010-03-10T22:08:19Z

this has '''nothing''' to do with the thoery, and don't threaten people

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	:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />		:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />
	::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />		::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />
	:::::{{plus}} It's possible you could wake up with your head sewn to the carpet, but you won't. '''Don't you dare remove this, Mc Hammark!'''<br />
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imported>Boycool42 at 22:06, 10 March 2010

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	:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />		:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />
	::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />		::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />
			:::::{{plus}} It's possible you could wake up with your head sewn to the carpet, but you won't. '''Don't you dare remove this, Mc Hammark!'''<br />
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imported>Mc hammark: Undo revision 437422 by Boycool42 (Talk):has absolutely nothing to do with the theory

2010-03-10T21:59:33Z

Undo revision 437422 by Boycool42 (Talk):has absolutely nothing to do with the theory

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	:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />		:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />
	::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />		::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />
	:::::{{plus}} It's possible you could wake up with your head sewn to the carpet, but you won't.<br />
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imported>Boycool42 at 21:53, 10 March 2010

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	:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />		:::{{plus}} Pregnancy is not an injury. <br />
	::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />		::::{{note}} There are real-life disorders where a woman's body treats a pregnancy like a foreign invader as her immune system attempts to terminate the pregnancy. It's possible that Claire's ability may work in a similar fashion.<br />
			:::::{{plus}} It's possible you could wake up with your head sewn to the carpet, but you won't.<br />
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