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imported>Mc hammark: Undo revision 439037 by Terraterra45 (Talk):doesn't make sense

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	::::{{plus}} Yet he never was near Nathan when he sent Linderman.<br />		::::{{plus}} Yet he never was near Nathan when he sent Linderman.<br />
	:::::{{minus}} He was never seen, it doesn't mean he wasn't there. As shown when it's first discovered Maury was the one responsible for Linderman's reappearance, while proximity is required, it doesn't have to be terribly close.<br />		:::::{{minus}} He was never seen, it doesn't mean he wasn't there. As shown when it's first discovered Maury was the one responsible for Linderman's reappearance, while proximity is required, it doesn't have to be terribly close.<br />
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	::::{{plus}} Yet he never was near Nathan when he sent Linderman.<br />		::::{{plus}} Yet he never was near Nathan when he sent Linderman.<br />
	:::::{{minus}} He was never seen, it doesn't mean he wasn't there. As shown when it's first discovered Maury was the one responsible for Linderman's reappearance, while proximity is required, it doesn't have to be terribly close.<br />		:::::{{minus}} He was never seen, it doesn't mean he wasn't there. As shown when it's first discovered Maury was the one responsible for Linderman's reappearance, while proximity is required, it doesn't have to be terribly close.<br />
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imported>Intuitive Empath at 17:10, 5 February 2010

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	::::{{plus}} Harm or not, he used his ability to manipulate a child against her will. That's pretty [[Moral ambiguity\|questionable]].<br />		::::{{plus}} Harm or not, he used his ability to manipulate a child against her will. That's pretty [[Moral ambiguity\|questionable]].<br />
	:::::{{minus}} He made her finish her cereal... That hardly calls for a moral debate.<br />		:::::{{minus}} He made her finish her cereal... That hardly calls for a moral debate.<br />
	::::::{{plus}} Despite it only being cereal, Parkman imposed his will over a human being, restricting Molly's autonomy. Making her do ~~<i>~~any~~</i>~~ action is morally wrong according to most philosophers.<br />		::::::{{plus}} Despite it only being cereal, Parkman imposed his will over a human being, restricting Molly's autonomy. Making her do ''any'' action is morally wrong according to most philosophers.<br />
			:::::::{{minus}} No one is entirely morally correct. And his intention wasn't to restrict her autonomy, it was to see if his ability was what swayed her decision.<br />
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	\| [[Telepathy]] could extend to mimicking/nulling/etc. abilities. \|\| [[Bob Bishop]] claims that [[Matt Parkman]] can manipulate any of the functions of the brain (''[[Out of Time]]'') \|\| {{plus}} If it can control anything the brain controls, and the brain controls abilities, telepathy may be able to control abilities.<br />		\| [[Telepathy]] could extend to mimicking/nulling/etc. abilities. \|\| [[Bob Bishop]] claims that [[Matt Parkman]] can manipulate any of the functions of the brain (''[[Out of Time]]'') \|\| {{plus}} If it can control anything the brain controls, and the brain controls abilities, telepathy may be able to control abilities.<br />

imported>Dru at 08:02, 5 February 2010

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	{{note}} It would depend on if at the point of someones death, they consciously expelled their mind out into the world.<br />		{{note}} It would depend on if at the point of someones death, they consciously expelled their mind out into the world.<br />
	:{{note}} Not necessarily, because psychics' minds could exist on a different level to others'.<br />		:{{note}} Not necessarily, because psychics' minds could exist on a different level to others'.<br />
			{{plus}} Sylar's consciousness was able to survive within Matt Parkman's mind for an expended period of time following a mental expulsion, possibly due to Sylar's subconscious refusing to allow his conscious mind to be overwritten. It can be derived that if honed well enough, telepathy could be used as a sort of "mental possession", allowing their consciousness and mental activity to transfer and take over another living being's, allowing them to outlive physical bodies many times over.<br />
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	\| With enough training of opening their mind, a telepath could discover [[telekinesis]] as another byproduct. \|\| [[wikipedia:Jean Grey\|Jean Grey]] processes both telepathy and telekinesis. \|\| {{minus}} The way abilities work in Heroes is different than how it works in the Marvel universe.<br />		\| With enough training of opening their mind, a telepath could discover [[telekinesis]] as another byproduct. \|\| [[wikipedia:Jean Grey\|Jean Grey]] processes both telepathy and telekinesis. \|\| {{minus}} The way abilities work in Heroes is different than how it works in the Marvel universe.<br />

imported>Dru at 07:38, 5 February 2010

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	::::{{plus}} Harm or not, he used his ability to manipulate a child against her will. That's pretty [[Moral ambiguity\|questionable]].<br />		::::{{plus}} Harm or not, he used his ability to manipulate a child against her will. That's pretty [[Moral ambiguity\|questionable]].<br />
	:::::{{minus}} He made her finish her cereal... That hardly calls for a moral debate.<br />		:::::{{minus}} He made her finish her cereal... That hardly calls for a moral debate.<br />
			::::::{{plus}} Despite it only being cereal, Parkman imposed his will over a human being, restricting Molly's autonomy. Making her do <i>any</i> action is morally wrong according to most philosophers.<br />
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	\| [[Telepathy]] could extend to mimicking/nulling/etc. abilities. \|\| [[Bob Bishop]] claims that [[Matt Parkman]] can manipulate any of the functions of the brain (''[[Out of Time]]'') \|\| {{plus}} If it can control anything the brain controls, and the brain controls abilities, telepathy may be able to control abilities.<br />		\| [[Telepathy]] could extend to mimicking/nulling/etc. abilities. \|\| [[Bob Bishop]] claims that [[Matt Parkman]] can manipulate any of the functions of the brain (''[[Out of Time]]'') \|\| {{plus}} If it can control anything the brain controls, and the brain controls abilities, telepathy may be able to control abilities.<br />

imported>PJDEP at 23:30, 9 November 2009

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	:::{{minus}} Matt only did it to see if he had made her say she was a normal girl, he didn't do it to harm her.<br />		:::{{minus}} Matt only did it to see if he had made her say she was a normal girl, he didn't do it to harm her.<br />
	::::{{plus}} Harm or not, he used his ability to manipulate a child against her will. That's pretty [[Moral ambiguity\|questionable]].<br />		::::{{plus}} Harm or not, he used his ability to manipulate a child against her will. That's pretty [[Moral ambiguity\|questionable]].<br />
	::::{{minus}} He made her finish her cereal... That hardly calls for a moral debate.<br />		:::::{{minus}} He made her finish her cereal... That hardly calls for a moral debate.<br />
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	\| [[Telepathy]] could extend to mimicking/nulling/etc. abilities. \|\| [[Bob Bishop]] claims that [[Matt Parkman]] can manipulate any of the functions of the brain (''[[Out of Time]]'') \|\| {{plus}} If it can control anything the brain controls, and the brain controls abilities, telepathy may be able to control abilities.<br />		\| [[Telepathy]] could extend to mimicking/nulling/etc. abilities. \|\| [[Bob Bishop]] claims that [[Matt Parkman]] can manipulate any of the functions of the brain (''[[Out of Time]]'') \|\| {{plus}} If it can control anything the brain controls, and the brain controls abilities, telepathy may be able to control abilities.<br />

imported>Intuitive Empath at 00:13, 25 October 2009

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	{{minus}} Matt was unable to control [[Arthur Petrelli]]'s telepathy in ''[[It's Coming]]'', nor [[Daphne]]'s [[super speed]] when she ran away in ''[[The Eclipse, Part One]]'', even though he was trying to stop both of them.<br />		{{minus}} Matt was unable to control [[Arthur Petrelli]]'s telepathy in ''[[It's Coming]]'', nor [[Daphne]]'s [[super speed]] when she ran away in ''[[The Eclipse, Part One]]'', even though he was trying to stop both of them.<br />
	{{plus}} In theory he could make a person see themselves on fire (for example) and tell the brain that the fire is really there, possibly making the victim feel pain as if it were really happening, à la The Matrix.<br />		{{plus}} In theory he could make a person see themselves on fire (for example) and tell the brain that the fire is really there, possibly making the victim feel pain as if it were really happening, à la The Matrix.<br />
	{{minus}} How is ~~THAT~~ proof that he can mimic/null/etc. abilities?<br />		{{minus}} How is ''that'' proof that he can mimic/null/etc. abilities?<br />
	:{{note}} He can influence people's minds, and the mind plays a role in the control of abilities.<br />		:{{note}} He can influence people's minds, and the mind plays a role in the control of abilities.<br />
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	\| Telepathy, [[mental manipulation]], and ability suppression should be considered separate abilities. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} The definition of telepathy is communication from one mind to another (i.e. hearing another's thoughts). Thus telepathy would have nothing to do with control over another's mind.<br />		\| Telepathy, [[mental manipulation]], and ability suppression should be considered separate abilities. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} The definition of telepathy is communication from one mind to another (i.e. hearing another's thoughts). Thus telepathy would have nothing to do with control over another's mind.<br />
	{{plus}} Mental ~~Manipulation~~ would be the ability to ''change'' or ''control'' the thoughts of another person, or block or erase memories, or anything else in their mind, etc. Matt, [[Maury]], [[The Haitian]], and [[Arthur]] appear to have the ability of mental manipulation. The Haitian's ability of "ability suppression" should be a separate ability in itself, and not part of mental manipulation, because it appears to be a passive ability in which he does not control another's thoughts.<br />		{{plus}} Mental manipulation would be the ability to ''change'' or ''control'' the thoughts of another person, or block or erase memories, or anything else in their mind, etc. Matt, [[Maury]], [[The Haitian]], and [[Arthur]] appear to have the ability of mental manipulation. The Haitian's ability of "ability suppression" should be a separate ability in itself, and not part of mental manipulation, because it appears to be a passive ability in which he does not control another's thoughts.<br />
	{{plus}} One could have telepathy by itself, if they are not able to control another's mind, which is what it appeared [[Matt Parkman]] had before he demonstrated the ability to control another's thoughts (''[[Cautionary Tales]]'').<br />		{{plus}} One could have telepathy by itself, if they are not able to control another's mind, which is what it appeared [[Matt Parkman]] had before he demonstrated the ability to control another's thoughts (''[[Cautionary Tales]]'').<br />
	{{plus}} It has been verified that Arthur has mental manipulation as a separate ability from telepathy.<br />		{{plus}} It has been verified that Arthur has mental manipulation as a separate ability from telepathy.<br />

imported>Catalyst: Undo revision 381298 by 50000JH (Talk): i saw it was removed before

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	\| Telepathy, [[mental manipulation]], and ability suppression should be considered separate abilities. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} The definition of telepathy is communication from one mind to another (i.e. hearing another's thoughts). Thus telepathy would have nothing to do with control over another's mind.<br />		\| Telepathy, [[mental manipulation]], and ability suppression should be considered separate abilities. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} The definition of telepathy is communication from one mind to another (i.e. hearing another's thoughts). Thus telepathy would have nothing to do with control over another's mind.<br />
	{{plus}} Mental Manipulation would be the ability to ''change'' or ''control'' the thoughts of another person, or block or erase memories, or anything else in their mind, etc. Matt, [[Maury]], [[The Haitian]], and [[Arthur]] appear to have the ability of mental manipulation. The Haitian's ability of "ability suppression" should be a separate ability in itself, and not part of mental manipulation, because it appears to be a passive ability in which he does not control another's thoughts.<br />{{minus}} Telepathy is greek and means far affecting the man who coined the phrase Frederic Myers to replaced the older term thought transference , word relating to pathos means diesease or suffering and patheia means feelings and as this is known as psycopathy mind affecting it should affect the mind. Suppressing abilities would come from mental manipulation, as it be manipulation mentally to block it accessing, in the same way as people would say about a marthon running hitting,"THE WALL." Mental manipulation is a branch off telepathy like illusion, persuasion, healing in a sense and puppet master.<br/>		{{plus}} Mental Manipulation would be the ability to ''change'' or ''control'' the thoughts of another person, or block or erase memories, or anything else in their mind, etc. Matt, [[Maury]], [[The Haitian]], and [[Arthur]] appear to have the ability of mental manipulation. The Haitian's ability of "ability suppression" should be a separate ability in itself, and not part of mental manipulation, because it appears to be a passive ability in which he does not control another's thoughts.<br />
	{{plus}} One could have telepathy by itself, if they are not able to control another's mind, which is what it appeared [[Matt Parkman]] had before he demonstrated the ability to control another's thoughts (''[[Cautionary Tales]]'').<br />		{{plus}} One could have telepathy by itself, if they are not able to control another's mind, which is what it appeared [[Matt Parkman]] had before he demonstrated the ability to control another's thoughts (''[[Cautionary Tales]]'').<br />
	{{plus}} It has been verified that Arthur has mental manipulation as a separate ability from telepathy.<br />		{{plus}} It has been verified that Arthur has mental manipulation as a separate ability from telepathy.<br />

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	\| Telepathy, [[mental manipulation]], and ability suppression should be considered separate abilities. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} The definition of telepathy is communication from one mind to another (i.e. hearing another's thoughts). Thus telepathy would have nothing to do with control over another's mind.<br />		\| Telepathy, [[mental manipulation]], and ability suppression should be considered separate abilities. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} The definition of telepathy is communication from one mind to another (i.e. hearing another's thoughts). Thus telepathy would have nothing to do with control over another's mind.<br />
	{{plus}} Mental Manipulation would be the ability to ''change'' or ''control'' the thoughts of another person, or block or erase memories, or anything else in their mind, etc. Matt, [[Maury]], [[The Haitian]], and [[Arthur]] appear to have the ability of mental manipulation. The Haitian's ability of "ability suppression" should be a separate ability in itself, and not part of mental manipulation, because it appears to be a passive ability in which he does not control another's thoughts.<br />		{{plus}} Mental Manipulation would be the ability to ''change'' or ''control'' the thoughts of another person, or block or erase memories, or anything else in their mind, etc. Matt, [[Maury]], [[The Haitian]], and [[Arthur]] appear to have the ability of mental manipulation. The Haitian's ability of "ability suppression" should be a separate ability in itself, and not part of mental manipulation, because it appears to be a passive ability in which he does not control another's thoughts.<br />{{minus}} Telepathy is greek and means far affecting the man who coined the phrase Frederic Myers to replaced the older term thought transference , word relating to pathos means diesease or suffering and patheia means feelings and as this is known as psycopathy mind affecting it should affect the mind. Suppressing abilities would come from mental manipulation, as it be manipulation mentally to block it accessing, in the same way as people would say about a marthon running hitting,"THE WALL." Mental manipulation is a branch off telepathy like illusion, persuasion, healing in a sense and puppet master.<br/>
	{{plus}} One could have telepathy by itself, if they are not able to control another's mind, which is what it appeared [[Matt Parkman]] had before he demonstrated the ability to control another's thoughts (''[[Cautionary Tales]]'').<br />		{{plus}} One could have telepathy by itself, if they are not able to control another's mind, which is what it appeared [[Matt Parkman]] had before he demonstrated the ability to control another's thoughts (''[[Cautionary Tales]]'').<br />
	{{plus}} It has been verified that Arthur has mental manipulation as a separate ability from telepathy.<br />		{{plus}} It has been verified that Arthur has mental manipulation as a separate ability from telepathy.<br />