Theory:West Rosen - Revision history

imported>BTTFMovie at 03:02, 13 September 2010

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imported>BTTFMovie at 03:02, 13 September 2010

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	:{{minus}} It could be a coincidence as well.<br />		:{{minus}} It could be a coincidence as well.<br />
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			\| Everything bad that happened in [[Season Three]] was West's fault. \|\| If he hadn't have forced his way into Claire's life, he wouldn't have talked her into playing that prank on [[Debbie Marshall]], the Company wouldn't have found out where Claire was, they wouldn't have taken her blood, Sylar wouldn't have taken the blood from Mohinder. He wouldn't have taken Claire's ability to get his ability back, he wouldn't have gone to the company, he wouldn't have attacked Elle, and the Level 5 inmates would not have been released. \|\| {{plus}} The only reason the company found out where Claire was is because of the newspaper article about Debbie Marshall.<br />
			:{{note}} It wouldn't have happened if West had left Claire alone like she first told him to.<br />
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imported>Blood69: Sylar is good and can fly, why would he kill West?

2010-03-04T09:47:17Z

Sylar is good and can fly, why would he kill West?

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	{{plus}} The names "Adam" and "West" combine to form the name of an actor famous for playing Batman on TV - a sly comic book reference?<br />		{{plus}} The names "Adam" and "West" combine to form the name of an actor famous for playing Batman on TV - a sly comic book reference?<br />
	:{{minus}} It could be a coincidence as well.<br />		:{{minus}} It could be a coincidence as well.<br />
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	\| West will be killed by [[Sylar]]. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} It is known that Peter and Sylar thematically reflect each other and would further their similarities by having each constantly obtaining the others powers (as Peter obtained telekinesis like Sylar, so would Sylar obtain flight like Peter).<br />
	:{{minus}} The writers have made no effort to enforce consistent powers between the two before. It's impossible, since Peter absorbs anything Sylar acquires just by being nearby. Unless Sylar kills every other evolved human in the world...<br />
	{{minus}} Sylar can already fly.<br />
	:{{note}} While likely, it's still disputable.<br />
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imported>Intuitive Empath: didn't show up

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didn't show up

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	{{minus}} Sylar can already fly.<br />		{{minus}} Sylar can already fly.<br />
	:{{note}} While likely, it's still disputable.<br />		:{{note}} While likely, it's still disputable.<br />
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	\| West will return in season 4. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Claire will have to go to school eventually; she might bump into West again.<br />
	:{{minus}} Claire is now a university student and he is a leader of LAWR and the Rebellion, when would they meet?<br />
	{{plus}} Being a victim of a "bag and tag", West's reaction to the round-up could make a reasonable plot.<br />
	{{plus}} West is a member of REBEL, tying him back to the show.<br />
	:{{minus}} Being a member of REBEL and its activism is the perfect way to write him out of the show.<br />
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imported>PJDEP at 23:51, 28 February 2010

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imported>D and d 123 at 21:07, 30 November 2009

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	\| West is a [[wikipedia:sociopath\|sociopath]] and possible [[wikipedia:Solipsism\|solipsist]]. \|\| He displayed many characteristics of a sociopath b the way he watched people in ''[[Graphic Novel:Flying Blind\|Flying Blind]]''. \|\| {{plus}} He refers to himself as a breed apart from humanity. While others with abilities try to retain their humanity, characters like West and Sylar revel in their separateness and superiority.<br />		\| West is a [[wikipedia:sociopath\|sociopath]] and possible [[wikipedia:Solipsism\|solipsist]]. \|\| He displayed many characteristics of a sociopath b the way he watched people in ''[[Graphic Novel:Flying Blind\|Flying Blind]]''. \|\| {{plus}} He refers to himself as a breed apart from humanity. While others with abilities try to retain their humanity, characters like West and Sylar revel in their separateness and superiority.<br />
			:{{minus}} That is like saying that an African American who embraces his cultural heritage is a racist. Just because he enjoys being special doesn't make him a monster.<br />
	{{plus}} His observations on the two types of humans (robots and aliens) are snide. West probably doesn't have much love for humans. His disgust does not originate from injustice (like being picked on), but because he sees himself as superior.<br />		{{plus}} His observations on the two types of humans (robots and aliens) are snide. West probably doesn't have much love for humans. His disgust does not originate from injustice (like being picked on), but because he sees himself as superior.<br />
	:{{minus}} He used the "alien" and the "robot" as a metaphor, meaning its not exactly what he meant. What he meant is, if you are an "alien", meaning you do whatever you, no one tells you what to do. And "robot" if you are being controlled by the people around you i.e. your parents; because robots are being controlled.<br />		:{{minus}} He used the "alien" and the "robot" as a metaphor, meaning its not exactly what he meant. What he meant is, if you are an "alien", meaning you do whatever you, no one tells you what to do. And "robot" if you are being controlled by the people around you i.e. your parents; because robots are being controlled.<br />
	{{plus}} He has also demonstrated obsessive tendencies, in stalking and spying on Claire.<br />		{{plus}} He has also demonstrated obsessive tendencies, in stalking and spying on Claire.<br />
			{{minus}} Sociopaths are incapable of feeling any attachment to -or empathy for- others. He obviously liked Claire, and expressed sadness and remorse when they broke up. A sociopath wouldn't feel sad if his girlfriend broke up with him; he would be angry at her (and probably plan revenge).<br />
			{{minus}} A solipsist would find having a relationship almost impossible. They are incapable of figuring out the motives and beliefs behind the actions of others.<br />
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	\| West knew about Claire's powers before seeing her cut off her toe. \|\| West left a copy of ''[[Activating Evolution]]'' at Claire's house after seeing her cut off her toe. (''[[Lizards]]'') \|\| {{plus}} If West were "stalking" Claire out of mere lust or romantic interest, he would have no reason to carry ''[[Activating Evolution]]'' with him.<br />		\| West knew about Claire's powers before seeing her cut off her toe. \|\| West left a copy of ''[[Activating Evolution]]'' at Claire's house after seeing her cut off her toe. (''[[Lizards]]'') \|\| {{plus}} If West were "stalking" Claire out of mere lust or romantic interest, he would have no reason to carry ''[[Activating Evolution]]'' with him.<br />
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	:{{minus}} The prank was on Debbie, a bully cheerleader who was drinking on school grounds while humiliating new cheerleaders; it was vengeful, but hardly crosses the line of justice.<br />		:{{minus}} The prank was on Debbie, a bully cheerleader who was drinking on school grounds while humiliating new cheerleaders; it was vengeful, but hardly crosses the line of justice.<br />
	{{plus}} In the episode commentary for ''[[The Line]]'', the writers explain that West views his powers as making him separate from and above humanity (in the scene where he tells Claire that he doesn't really care what his parents think, because he can fly). The belief that superpowered people are superior to normal people is a common theme for comic book villains.<br />		{{plus}} In the episode commentary for ''[[The Line]]'', the writers explain that West views his powers as making him separate from and above humanity (in the scene where he tells Claire that he doesn't really care what his parents think, because he can fly). The belief that superpowered people are superior to normal people is a common theme for comic book villains.<br />
			:{{minus}} In scientific terms, evolved humans ''are'' superior. They possess capabilities beyond that of ''homo sapiens'', and are the next step in humanity's evolution.<br />
	{{plus}} In the episode commentary for ''The Line'', the writers describe Claire's participation in West's scheme as ultimately self-destructive for Claire.<br />		{{plus}} In the episode commentary for ''The Line'', the writers describe Claire's participation in West's scheme as ultimately self-destructive for Claire.<br />
	:{{minus}} This may have simply been referring to Claire's use of her power for frivolous/self-serving purposes (which exposes her to being tracked by the Company), rather than her involvement with West.<br />		:{{minus}} This may have simply been referring to Claire's use of her power for frivolous/self-serving purposes (which exposes her to being tracked by the Company), rather than her involvement with West.<br />

imported>Altes at 07:45, 15 November 2009

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	:{{note}} The Company does not purposely strive to make things confusing. There doesn't seem to be a motive for switching them at birth.<br/>		:{{note}} The Company does not purposely strive to make things confusing. There doesn't seem to be a motive for switching them at birth.<br/>
	{{plus}} The names "Adam" and "West" combine to form the name of an actor famous for playing Batman on TV - a sly comic book reference?<br />		{{plus}} The names "Adam" and "West" combine to form the name of an actor famous for playing Batman on TV - a sly comic book reference?<br />
			:{{minus}} It could be a coincidence as well.<br />
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	\| West will be killed by [[Sylar]]. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} It is known that Peter and Sylar thematically reflect each other and would further their similarities by having each constantly obtaining the others powers (as Peter obtained telekinesis like Sylar, so would Sylar obtain flight like Peter).<br />		\| West will be killed by [[Sylar]]. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} It is known that Peter and Sylar thematically reflect each other and would further their similarities by having each constantly obtaining the others powers (as Peter obtained telekinesis like Sylar, so would Sylar obtain flight like Peter).<br />

imported>PJDEP at 22:03, 14 November 2009

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	{{note}} This would be "inverse" power heredity compared to Claire. West would be the flying son of a regenerative man, while Claire would be the regenerative daughter of a flying man.<br />		{{note}} This would be "inverse" power heredity compared to Claire. West would be the flying son of a regenerative man, while Claire would be the regenerative daughter of a flying man.<br />
	{{note}} Claire and West could have been "switched at birth". This would make Claire Adam's child and West Nathan's. This may not be an unlikely incident for the Company to pull off.<br />		{{note}} Claire and West could have been "switched at birth". This would make Claire Adam's child and West Nathan's. This may not be an unlikely incident for the Company to pull off.<br />
			:{{note}} The Company does not purposely strive to make things confusing. There doesn't seem to be a motive for switching them at birth.<br/>
	{{plus}} The names "Adam" and "West" combine to form the name of an actor famous for playing Batman on TV - a sly comic book reference?<br />		{{plus}} The names "Adam" and "West" combine to form the name of an actor famous for playing Batman on TV - a sly comic book reference?<br />
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imported>Altes at 18:41, 1 November 2009

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imported>Blood69: NBC will never allow incest. Enough with the incest theories

2009-10-24T11:07:01Z

NBC will never allow incest. Enough with the incest theories

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 | West is a [[wikipedia:sociopath|sociopath]] and possible [[wikipedia:Solipsism|solipsist]]. || He displayed many characteristics of a sociopath b the way he watched people in ''[[Graphic Novel:Flying Blind|Flying Blind]]''. || {{plus}} He refers to himself as a breed apart from humanity. While others with abilities try to retain their humanity, characters like West and Sylar revel in their separateness and superiority.<br />

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	:{{plus}} That doesn't mean that they haven't jumped to the correct conclusion.<br />		:{{plus}} That doesn't mean that they haven't jumped to the correct conclusion.<br />
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	\| [[West]] is the son of [[Adam Monroe]]. \|\| None. \|\| {{minus}} Adam said that he was locked up for the last 30 years.<br />		\| [[West]] is the son of [[Adam Monroe]]. \|\| None \|\| {{minus}} Adam said that he was locked up for the last 30 years.<br />
	:{{note}} Adam apparently slept with Elle at some point during his captivity. Although we don't know if anything came of it, it's a possibility...<br />		:{{note}} Adam apparently slept with Elle at some point during his captivity. Although we don't know if anything came of it, it's a possibility...<br />
	::{{minus}} Elle is 24. West is 16 or 17. This would mean that Elle gave birth to West when she was seven or eight, and that Adam committed statutory rape.<br />		::{{minus}} Elle is 24. West is 16 or 17. This would mean that Elle gave birth to West when she was seven or eight, and that Adam committed statutory rape.<br />
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	:{{minus}} It could be a coincidence as well.<br />		:{{minus}} It could be a coincidence as well.<br />
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	\| West will be killed by [[Sylar]]. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} It is known that Peter and Sylar thematically reflect each other and would further their similarities by having each constantly obtaining the others powers (as Peter obtained telekinesis like Sylar, so would Sylar obtain flight like Peter).<br />		\| West will be killed by [[Sylar]]. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} It is known that Peter and Sylar thematically reflect each other and would further their similarities by having each constantly obtaining the others powers (as Peter obtained telekinesis like Sylar, so would Sylar obtain flight like Peter).<br />
	:{{minus}} The writers have made no effort to enforce consistent powers between the two before. It's impossible, since Peter absorbs anything Sylar acquires just by being nearby. Unless Sylar kills every other evolved human in the world...<br />		:{{minus}} The writers have made no effort to enforce consistent powers between the two before. It's impossible, since Peter absorbs anything Sylar acquires just by being nearby. Unless Sylar kills every other evolved human in the world...<br />
	{{minus}} Sylar can already fly.<br />		{{minus}} Sylar can already fly.<br />
	:{{note}} While likely, it's still disputable.<br />		:{{note}} While likely, it's still disputable.<br />
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	\| West will return in season 4. \|\| None. \|\| {{plus}} Claire will have to go to school eventually; she might bump into West again.<br />		\| West will return in season 4. \|\| None \|\| {{plus}} Claire will have to go to school eventually; she might bump into West again.<br />
	:{{minus}} Claire is now a university student and he is a leader of LAWR and the Rebellion, when would they meet?<br />		:{{minus}} Claire is now a university student and he is a leader of LAWR and the Rebellion, when would they meet?<br />
	{{plus}} Being a victim of a "bag and tag", West's reaction to the round-up could make a reasonable plot.<br />		{{plus}} Being a victim of a "bag and tag", West's reaction to the round-up could make a reasonable plot.<br />

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	\| West is a [[wikipedia:sociopath\|sociopath]] and possible [[wikipedia:Solipsism\|solipsist]]. \|\| He displayed many characteristics of a sociopath b the way he watched people in ''[[Graphic Novel:Flying Blind\|Flying Blind]]''. \|\| {{plus}} He refers to himself as a breed apart from humanity. While others with abilities try to retain their humanity, characters like West and Sylar revel in their separateness and superiority.<br />		\| West is a [[wikipedia:sociopath\|sociopath]] and possible [[wikipedia:Solipsism\|solipsist]]. \|\| He displayed many characteristics of a sociopath b the way he watched people in ''[[Graphic Novel:Flying Blind\|Flying Blind]]''. \|\| {{plus}} He refers to himself as a breed apart from humanity. While others with abilities try to retain their humanity, characters like West and Sylar revel in their separateness and superiority.<br />
	{{plus}} His observations on the two types of humans (robots and aliens) are snide. West probably doesn't have much love for humans. His disgust does not originate from injustice (like being picked on), but because he sees himself as superior.<br />		{{plus}} His observations on the two types of humans (robots and aliens) are snide. West probably doesn't have much love for humans. His disgust does not originate from injustice (like being picked on), but because he sees himself as superior.<br />
	:{{minus}} He used the "alien" and the "robot" as a ~~"METAPHOR"~~, meaning its not exactly what he meant. What he meant is, if you are an "alien", meaning you do whatever you, no one tells you what to do. And "robot" if you are being controlled by the people around you i.e. your parents; because robots are being controlled.<br />		:{{minus}} He used the "alien" and the "robot" as a metaphor, meaning its not exactly what he meant. What he meant is, if you are an "alien", meaning you do whatever you, no one tells you what to do. And "robot" if you are being controlled by the people around you i.e. your parents; because robots are being controlled.<br />
	{{plus}} He has also demonstrated obsessive tendencies, in stalking and spying on Claire.<br />		{{plus}} He has also demonstrated obsessive tendencies, in stalking and spying on Claire.<br />
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	:{{minus}} Perhaps he carried the book because she was talking about regenerating organs for transplant like a lizard grows its tail like he said he was doing in the following conversation.<br />		:{{minus}} Perhaps he carried the book because she was talking about regenerating organs for transplant like a lizard grows its tail like he said he was doing in the following conversation.<br />
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	\| West will become a villain. \|\| West uses his and Claire's powers to play a prank on [[Debbie (Marshall)\|Debbie]] and get her suspended. (''[[The Line]]'') \|\| {{plus}} West has shown he is willing to use his powers for petty and even harmful goals. This sets him apart from characters who use their powers for harmless or unselfish purposes.<br />		\| West will become a villain. \|\| West uses his and Claire's powers to play a prank on [[Debbie Marshall\|Debbie]] and get her suspended. (''[[The Line]]'') \|\| {{plus}} West has shown he is willing to use his powers for petty and even harmful goals. This sets him apart from characters who use their powers for harmless or unselfish purposes.<br />
	:{{minus}} The prank was on Debbie, a bully cheerleader who was drinking on school grounds while humiliating new cheerleaders; it was vengeful, but hardly crosses the line of justice.<br />		:{{minus}} The prank was on Debbie, a bully cheerleader who was drinking on school grounds while humiliating new cheerleaders; it was vengeful, but hardly crosses the line of justice.<br />
	{{plus}} In the episode commentary for ''[[The Line]]'', the writers explain that West views his powers as making him separate from and above humanity (in the scene where he tells Claire that he doesn't really care what his parents think, because he can fly). The belief that superpowered people are superior to normal people is a common theme for comic book villains.<br />		{{plus}} In the episode commentary for ''[[The Line]]'', the writers explain that West views his powers as making him separate from and above humanity (in the scene where he tells Claire that he doesn't really care what his parents think, because he can fly). The belief that superpowered people are superior to normal people is a common theme for comic book villains.<br />
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	:{{minus}} This may have simply been referring to Claire's use of her power for frivolous/self-serving purposes (which exposes her to being tracked by the Company), rather than her involvement with West.<br />		:{{minus}} This may have simply been referring to Claire's use of her power for frivolous/self-serving purposes (which exposes her to being tracked by the Company), rather than her involvement with West.<br />
	{{minus}} In an interview on G4 TV, when asked if West was a potential villain, Jack Coleman mentions that many fans are jumping to conclusions regarding West's character.<br />		{{minus}} In an interview on G4 TV, when asked if West was a potential villain, Jack Coleman mentions that many fans are jumping to conclusions regarding West's character.<br />
	:{{plus}} That doesn't mean that they haven't jumped to the correct conclusion.~~<br />~~<br />		:{{plus}} That doesn't mean that they haven't jumped to the correct conclusion.<br />
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	\| [[West]] is the son of [[Adam Monroe]]. \|\| None. \|\| {{minus}} Adam said that he was locked up for the last 30 years.<br />		\| [[West]] is the son of [[Adam Monroe]]. \|\| None. \|\| {{minus}} Adam said that he was locked up for the last 30 years.<br />