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imported>DigitalCount at 06:54, 18 December 2009

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	Peter was called an empath by Claude, who understood how powers worked due to his time at the Company. That was the only reason why the word "empathic" made its way to the ability name. About Tracy's ability, me and some other members are trying to split her to "water and ice manipulation", cause that's how her ability was described in a GN cover. We've moved abilities on similar situations before, and we're trying to do it again. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 16:10, 23 November 2009 (EST)		Peter was called an empath by Claude, who understood how powers worked due to his time at the Company. That was the only reason why the word "empathic" made its way to the ability name. About Tracy's ability, me and some other members are trying to split her to "water and ice manipulation", cause that's how her ability was described in a GN cover. We've moved abilities on similar situations before, and we're trying to do it again. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 16:10, 23 November 2009 (EST)

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			So...is it not possible that Sylar's IA is different from Peter's EM in the same way (or a similar way) as Arthur's PA is from Peter's EM? PA required touch to function, but it was considered an evolution or mutation of EM. Could IA not be the same thing? Of course, then you have to look at Rule of Ted and say, well, they have to be different abilities, because EM falls under RoT (an EM user cannot absorb abilities absorbed by another EM user, and we know Peter got TK from Sylar, who got it using empathy and thus IA empathy != EM). At the same time one could argue that Sylar solidified his acquisition of TK using IA because he did examine Brian Davis' brain, so it was considered to be acquired through IA as well, using his acquisition of Elle's power as evidence for this possibility (he was suddenly better with electrical manipulation after cutting Elle's head open). Further, one could further theorize that IA is such an altered form of EM, like PA, that it no longer falls under RoT even when using the empathy aspect.

			Using the fact that Sylar had to explicitly empathize with people to gain their powers as proof of IA!= EM ignores the fact that Peter was stated to love unconditionally (by a telepath), and thus his "empathy" is always active, whereas Sylar the monster has to put in effort to use empathy because he's so...monstrous. Lending credence to this is the fact that Arthur was confident that Sylar could use empathy to gain Elle's power; it is something he would know about his own (adapted) power. Further, Peter's current power is AR, and he no longer loves unconditionally due to the events of Villains, which means he too has to acquire abilities through touch.

			Of course, none of this matters if we do not consider PA to be an altered form of EM. However, I fail to see why we wouldn't. [[User:DigitalCount\|DigitalCount]] 01:54, 18 December 2009 (EST)

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	*********** And that doesn't equate to Peter having a five power limit. And you should really avoid putting almost the exact words both here and in the theory, it makes things needlessly dense. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 11:57, 24 November 2009 (EST)		*********** And that doesn't equate to Peter having a five power limit. And you should really avoid putting almost the exact words both here and in the theory, it makes things needlessly dense. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 11:57, 24 November 2009 (EST)
	************ Yup, I did read and know that . . . and I know abilities are inherited, but not all of them are . . . just like Arthur and Peter's powers (Ability replication and Power absorption), both are very similar but different (Emmi and Inapt) . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]		************ Yup, I did read and know that . . . and I know abilities are inherited, but not all of them are . . . just like Arthur and Peter's powers (Ability replication and Power absorption), both are very similar but different (Emmi and Inapt) . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]

			* Sylar's ability has been confirmed in canon sources (''[[Episode:Building 26\|Building 26]]'') to be [[intuitive aptitude]], not [[empathic mimicry]]. This has been explicitly confirmed in near-canon sources. It has also been confirmed by writers and producers in interviews. To say that Sylar's power is anything other than intuitive aptitude is ignoring these sources, or to say that they are wrong. We don't do that here. Therefore, the so-called theory that Sylar's original power is empathic mimicry (or anything other than intuitive aptitude) is disproven. It should not be added back to this theory page. On another note, it's disheartening that the discussion that should have remained solely on this page spilled out on to the theory page. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:45, 28 November 2009 (EST)

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	********** "It wasn't meant to be evidence, but I responded to the discussion" . . . and Sylar didn't mimic Telekinesis from Samson, because it wasn't an empathic power . . . but he did empathize with Brian, so Peter could only mimic that . . . because Inapt needed to be unlocked, by "fixing" an animal or watch . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]		********** "It wasn't meant to be evidence, but I responded to the discussion" . . . and Sylar didn't mimic Telekinesis from Samson, because it wasn't an empathic power . . . but he did empathize with Brian, so Peter could only mimic that . . . because Inapt needed to be unlocked, by "fixing" an animal or watch . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]
	*********** And that doesn't equate to Peter having a five power limit. And you should really avoid putting almost the exact words both here and in the theory, it makes things needlessly dense. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 11:57, 24 November 2009 (EST)		*********** And that doesn't equate to Peter having a five power limit. And you should really avoid putting almost the exact words both here and in the theory, it makes things needlessly dense. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 11:57, 24 November 2009 (EST)
			************ Yup, I did read and know that . . . and I know abilities are inherited, but not all of them are . . . just like Arthur and Peter's powers (Ability replication and Power absorption), both are very similar but different (Emmi and Inapt) . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]

	== Abilities and Assumptions ==		== Abilities and Assumptions ==

imported>Intuitive Empath: /* Sylar's ability is not empathic mimicry */

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	********* If ability-acquiring abilities can acquire similar abilities is besides the point, you still haven't answered me about Peter having the same five powers limit as Draph. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 10:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)		********* If ability-acquiring abilities can acquire similar abilities is besides the point, you still haven't answered me about Peter having the same five powers limit as Draph. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 10:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)
	********** "It wasn't meant to be evidence, but I responded to the discussion" . . . and Sylar didn't mimic Telekinesis from Samson, because it wasn't an empathic power . . . but he did empathize with Brian, so Peter could only mimic that . . . because Inapt needed to be unlocked, by "fixing" an animal or watch . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]		********** "It wasn't meant to be evidence, but I responded to the discussion" . . . and Sylar didn't mimic Telekinesis from Samson, because it wasn't an empathic power . . . but he did empathize with Brian, so Peter could only mimic that . . . because Inapt needed to be unlocked, by "fixing" an animal or watch . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]
	*********** And that doesn't equate to Peter having a five power limit. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 11:57, 24 November 2009 (EST)		*********** And that doesn't equate to Peter having a five power limit. And you should really avoid putting almost the exact words both here and in the theory, it makes things needlessly dense. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 11:57, 24 November 2009 (EST)

	== Abilities and Assumptions ==		== Abilities and Assumptions ==

imported>Intuitive Empath: /* Sylar's ability is not empathic mimicry */

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	********* If ability-acquiring abilities can acquire similar abilities is besides the point, you still haven't answered me about Peter having the same five powers limit as Draph. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 10:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)		********* If ability-acquiring abilities can acquire similar abilities is besides the point, you still haven't answered me about Peter having the same five powers limit as Draph. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 10:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)
	********** "It wasn't meant to be evidence, but I responded to the discussion" . . . and Sylar didn't mimic Telekinesis from Samson, because it wasn't an empathic power . . . but he did empathize with Brian, so Peter could only mimic that . . . because Inapt needed to be unlocked, by "fixing" an animal or watch . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]		********** "It wasn't meant to be evidence, but I responded to the discussion" . . . and Sylar didn't mimic Telekinesis from Samson, because it wasn't an empathic power . . . but he did empathize with Brian, so Peter could only mimic that . . . because Inapt needed to be unlocked, by "fixing" an animal or watch . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]
			*********** And that doesn't equate to Peter having a five power limit. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 11:57, 24 November 2009 (EST)

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imported>Mike the Man-child! at 02:12, 24 November 2009

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	****** Canonicity vs. Fan Creation - "I think that we need to make a point of only including information relayed as part of the iStory as being canon (particularly because any aspect of the Heroes: Survival site can be changed at any time). Only the information presented by the writers themselves is technically canon." - http://heroeswiki.com/Talk:Draph -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]		****** Canonicity vs. Fan Creation - "I think that we need to make a point of only including information relayed as part of the iStory as being canon (particularly because any aspect of the Heroes: Survival site can be changed at any time). Only the information presented by the writers themselves is technically canon." - http://heroeswiki.com/Talk:Draph -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]
	******* That's not me. Plus, that's someone's opinion, it has never been made officially into a policy or something like that. I don't follow the iStory, but I don't remember the iStory chapter themselves saying anything on Draph other than him using others' abilities, as far as what it was reported in other articles goes. Have the writers "made canon" the fact Draph can only have five abilities at the time? Have they said that Peter shares that limitation? I don't think they have. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 17:15, 22 November 2009 (EST)		******* That's not me. Plus, that's someone's opinion, it has never been made officially into a policy or something like that. I don't follow the iStory, but I don't remember the iStory chapter themselves saying anything on Draph other than him using others' abilities, as far as what it was reported in other articles goes. Have the writers "made canon" the fact Draph can only have five abilities at the time? Have they said that Peter shares that limitation? I don't think they have. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 17:15, 22 November 2009 (EST)
	******** Yes, I did read and know that . . . it wasn't meant to be evidence, but I responded to the discussion . . . if you have an acquiring ability, you can gain another acquiring power . . . so you gain twice the abilities, the order of acquiring powers gained: Ability replication, Aura and Power absorption can acquire Claircognizance, Emmi and Inapt vice versa . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]		******** Yes, I did read and know that . . . it wasn't meant to be evidence, but I responded to the discussion . . . if you have an acquiring ability, you can gain another acquiring power . . . so you gain twice the abilities, the order of acquiring powers gained: Ability replication, Aura and Power absorption can acquire Claircognizance, Emmi and Inapt vice versa . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]
	********* If ability-acquiring abilities can acquire similar abilities is besides the point, you still haven't answered me about Peter having the same five powers limit as Draph. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 10:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)		********* If ability-acquiring abilities can acquire similar abilities is besides the point, you still haven't answered me about Peter having the same five powers limit as Draph. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 10:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)
			********** "It wasn't meant to be evidence, but I responded to the discussion" . . . and Sylar didn't mimic Telekinesis from Samson, because it wasn't an empathic power . . . but he did empathize with Brian, so Peter could only mimic that . . . because Inapt needed to be unlocked, by "fixing" an animal or watch . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]

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	Great to see people are considering these things. IE makes a great point about IA making sense as a descriptive term fitting perfectly with Sylar's ability, but I'm not so sure about Peter. Apparently the ability empathic mimicry (shouldn't it be empathetic mimicry in the first place?) was also named in the assignment tracker. Which is pretty much equivalent to Heroes Evolution or iStory cannonocity seeing as it's just distributed on a website hosted by NBC that never comes up in the actual show. But it holds a lot of sway here on the community which unfortunately is also the reason why Tracy's ability is listed as [[Freezing]] even though it's clear that that is most certainly NOT her ability. Sometimes I just wish people would stop being so dogmatic and stubborn on obvious things that contradict established procedures but my opinion is just as valid as anyone elses. -{{user:barbedknives/sig}}16:04, 23 November 2009 (EST)		Great to see people are considering these things. IE makes a great point about IA making sense as a descriptive term fitting perfectly with Sylar's ability, but I'm not so sure about Peter. Apparently the ability empathic mimicry (shouldn't it be empathetic mimicry in the first place?) was also named in the assignment tracker. Which is pretty much equivalent to Heroes Evolution or iStory cannonocity seeing as it's just distributed on a website hosted by NBC that never comes up in the actual show. But it holds a lot of sway here on the community which unfortunately is also the reason why Tracy's ability is listed as [[Freezing]] even though it's clear that that is most certainly NOT her ability. Sometimes I just wish people would stop being so dogmatic and stubborn on obvious things that contradict established procedures but my opinion is just as valid as anyone elses. -{{user:barbedknives/sig}}16:04, 23 November 2009 (EST)

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			Peter was called an empath by Claude, who understood how powers worked due to his time at the Company. That was the only reason why the word "empathic" made its way to the ability name. About Tracy's ability, me and some other members are trying to split her to "water and ice manipulation", cause that's how her ability was described in a GN cover. We've moved abilities on similar situations before, and we're trying to do it again. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 16:10, 23 November 2009 (EST)

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	Lovely to see someone point out that major fallacy that unfortunately crops up very often. If it were always followed, we'd be left with many contradictions! I wasn't around the online Heroes community when Empathic Mimicry was named, but it seems to me that the decision was based on its early Season 1 effects (triggered in proximity, but requiring memory of an empathic connection to recreate). Judging by future Peter in Season 1, and present day Peter as of Season 2 (with his memory wiped), his increased control over his powers seems to imply that he doesn't require the empathic connection. So a logical step would be to rename EM - as Intuitive Empath has pointed out, IA is still a full description of Sylar and how he can replicate abilities in different ways. Even if Peter's original power is regained through his reconnecting with people, which may or may not be about to happen, the power itself is not empathic for reasons stated. I've rambled, I think, so I shall cease here. --[[User:EkimCF\|EkimCF]] 13:55, 23 November 2009 (EST)		Lovely to see someone point out that major fallacy that unfortunately crops up very often. If it were always followed, we'd be left with many contradictions! I wasn't around the online Heroes community when Empathic Mimicry was named, but it seems to me that the decision was based on its early Season 1 effects (triggered in proximity, but requiring memory of an empathic connection to recreate). Judging by future Peter in Season 1, and present day Peter as of Season 2 (with his memory wiped), his increased control over his powers seems to imply that he doesn't require the empathic connection. So a logical step would be to rename EM - as Intuitive Empath has pointed out, IA is still a full description of Sylar and how he can replicate abilities in different ways. Even if Peter's original power is regained through his reconnecting with people, which may or may not be about to happen, the power itself is not empathic for reasons stated. I've rambled, I think, so I shall cease here. --[[User:EkimCF\|EkimCF]] 13:55, 23 November 2009 (EST)

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			Great to see people are considering these things. IE makes a great point about IA making sense as a descriptive term fitting perfectly with Sylar's ability, but I'm not so sure about Peter. Apparently the ability empathic mimicry (shouldn't it be empathetic mimicry in the first place?) was also named in the assignment tracker. Which is pretty much equivalent to Heroes Evolution or iStory cannonocity seeing as it's just distributed on a website hosted by NBC that never comes up in the actual show. But it holds a lot of sway here on the community which unfortunately is also the reason why Tracy's ability is listed as [[Freezing]] even though it's clear that that is most certainly NOT her ability. Sometimes I just wish people would stop being so dogmatic and stubborn on obvious things that contradict established procedures but my opinion is just as valid as anyone elses. -{{user:barbedknives/sig}}16:04, 23 November 2009 (EST)

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	Great reasoning. However, there are ways to make school one right. Empathic mimicry as it was in the beginning of the show required Peter to remember how a person felt only when he recalled the ability. When he was around people with abilities, his power would kick in with no conscious effort. After he gained some control over the ability, he could recall abilities, and could "shut" them if he didn't want to use it, as seen when he met Ted. Him not displaying abilities instantly could be explained by ability development. Intuitive aptitude, as it is defined can account for an empathic and emotional acquisition of abilities. By "understand how things work (biological, mechanical)", emotions can be interpreted as biological, due to its biochemical nature, as far as physical and tangible matter is concerned. Emotions are also related to and are regulated by the brain. Understanding the working of a biological system can account for acquisition of abilities the way Sylar does without examining the brain, even if it requires him to "connect", to "feel" how the absorbee feels, since Sylar can also feel emotions, but given his past history, prefers the more invasive and fatal approach. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 16:08, 22 November 2009 (EST)		Great reasoning. However, there are ways to make school one right. Empathic mimicry as it was in the beginning of the show required Peter to remember how a person felt only when he recalled the ability. When he was around people with abilities, his power would kick in with no conscious effort. After he gained some control over the ability, he could recall abilities, and could "shut" them if he didn't want to use it, as seen when he met Ted. Him not displaying abilities instantly could be explained by ability development. Intuitive aptitude, as it is defined can account for an empathic and emotional acquisition of abilities. By "understand how things work (biological, mechanical)", emotions can be interpreted as biological, due to its biochemical nature, as far as physical and tangible matter is concerned. Emotions are also related to and are regulated by the brain. Understanding the working of a biological system can account for acquisition of abilities the way Sylar does without examining the brain, even if it requires him to "connect", to "feel" how the absorbee feels, since Sylar can also feel emotions, but given his past history, prefers the more invasive and fatal approach. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 16:08, 22 November 2009 (EST)

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			Lovely to see someone point out that major fallacy that unfortunately crops up very often. If it were always followed, we'd be left with many contradictions! I wasn't around the online Heroes community when Empathic Mimicry was named, but it seems to me that the decision was based on its early Season 1 effects (triggered in proximity, but requiring memory of an empathic connection to recreate). Judging by future Peter in Season 1, and present day Peter as of Season 2 (with his memory wiped), his increased control over his powers seems to imply that he doesn't require the empathic connection. So a logical step would be to rename EM - as Intuitive Empath has pointed out, IA is still a full description of Sylar and how he can replicate abilities in different ways. Even if Peter's original power is regained through his reconnecting with people, which may or may not be about to happen, the power itself is not empathic for reasons stated. I've rambled, I think, so I shall cease here. --[[User:EkimCF\|EkimCF]] 13:55, 23 November 2009 (EST)

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	****** Canonicity vs. Fan Creation - "I think that we need to make a point of only including information relayed as part of the iStory as being canon (particularly because any aspect of the Heroes: Survival site can be changed at any time). Only the information presented by the writers themselves is technically canon." - http://heroeswiki.com/Talk:Draph -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]		****** Canonicity vs. Fan Creation - "I think that we need to make a point of only including information relayed as part of the iStory as being canon (particularly because any aspect of the Heroes: Survival site can be changed at any time). Only the information presented by the writers themselves is technically canon." - http://heroeswiki.com/Talk:Draph -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]
	******* That's not me. Plus, that's someone's opinion, it has never been made officially into a policy or something like that. I don't follow the iStory, but I don't remember the iStory chapter themselves saying anything on Draph other than him using others' abilities, as far as what it was reported in other articles goes. Have the writers "made canon" the fact Draph can only have five abilities at the time? Have they said that Peter shares that limitation? I don't think they have. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 17:15, 22 November 2009 (EST)		******* That's not me. Plus, that's someone's opinion, it has never been made officially into a policy or something like that. I don't follow the iStory, but I don't remember the iStory chapter themselves saying anything on Draph other than him using others' abilities, as far as what it was reported in other articles goes. Have the writers "made canon" the fact Draph can only have five abilities at the time? Have they said that Peter shares that limitation? I don't think they have. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 17:15, 22 November 2009 (EST)
	******** Yes, I did read and know that . . . it wasn't meant to be evidence, but I responded to the discussion . . . if you have an acquiring ability, you can gain another acquiring power . . . so you gain twice the abilities, the order of acquiring powers gained: Ability replication, Aura and Power absorption can acquire Claircognizance, Emmi and Inapt vice versa . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]		******** Yes, I did read and know that . . . it wasn't meant to be evidence, but I responded to the discussion . . . if you have an acquiring ability, you can gain another acquiring power . . . so you gain twice the abilities, the order of acquiring powers gained: Ability replication, Aura and Power absorption can acquire Claircognizance, Emmi and Inapt vice versa . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]
	********* If ability-acquiring abilities can acquire similar abilities is besides the point, you still haven't answered me about Peter having the same five powers limit as Draph. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 10:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)		********* If ability-acquiring abilities can acquire similar abilities is besides the point, you still haven't answered me about Peter having the same five powers limit as Draph. [[User:Intuitive Empath\|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath\|Contributions]] 10:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)
			********** "It wasn't meant to be evidence, but I responded to the discussion" . . . and Sylar didn't mimic Telekinesis from Samson, because it wasn't an empathic power . . . but he did empathize with Brian, so Peter could only mimic that . . . because Inapt needed to be unlocked, by "fixing" an animal or watch . . . -— [[User:Mike the Man-child!\|Mike the Man-child!]]

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