User talk:HiroDynoSlayer/Group of twelve picture variations - Revision history

imported>Hardvice at 19:37, 18 October 2007

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	****** Again, I agree if it is production errors, we shouldn't discuss it. I don't believe it is. Here are some other angles to consider. 1) There has to be two different full-photos. One Nathan dug up. The other one belongs to whomever tore out Kaito and Angie's pictures. 2) Carefully go back and look at the torn-out pictures of Angie and Kaito. Notice the edges of where the tears are made. They are pretty much identical. The Production people painstakingly went to enough trouble and detail to make sure the edges were ripped exactly the same.....however, the contents of the pictures themselves, show different content (With and without bob, bob with different coats, with and without Dallas). Why would they go to such careful detail to make the tears of the subset photos be exactly the same, yet the content of the pictures being different if it were a production error only? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:44 (EST)</small>		****** Again, I agree if it is production errors, we shouldn't discuss it. I don't believe it is. Here are some other angles to consider. 1) There has to be two different full-photos. One Nathan dug up. The other one belongs to whomever tore out Kaito and Angie's pictures. 2) Carefully go back and look at the torn-out pictures of Angie and Kaito. Notice the edges of where the tears are made. They are pretty much identical. The Production people painstakingly went to enough trouble and detail to make sure the edges were ripped exactly the same.....however, the contents of the pictures themselves, show different content (With and without bob, bob with different coats, with and without Dallas). Why would they go to such careful detail to make the tears of the subset photos be exactly the same, yet the content of the pictures being different if it were a production error only? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:44 (EST)</small>
	******* I think it's best noted by adding the two photos to the gallery on the [[Group of twelve]] article. You could be right that the differences are important... perhaps Hiro's intervention has changed history? It could also be that they simply didn't have casted the role of Dallas when they shot the first photo.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 18 October 2007 (EDT)		******* I think it's best noted by adding the two photos to the gallery on the [[Group of twelve]] article. You could be right that the differences are important... perhaps Hiro's intervention has changed history? It could also be that they simply didn't have casted the role of Dallas when they shot the first photo.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
			** I don't mind adding these photos to a second gallery under Notes and explaining the variations as completely as possible, so long as we're clear not to make assumptions about why the photos are different or conclude that they're ''meant'' to be different (that's a theory). We do in fact have pages with multiple galleries -- [[The Symbol]] has several, and usually ''Heroes Evolutions'' pictures are in a separate gallery from episode/GN pictures. I ''do'' mind a separate article--it's completely non-standard. Where would it go in the portals? What categories? How are people even going to know it exists, apart from a link on [[group of twelve]]? If the information relates only to the group of twelve, then that's the page it belongs on.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:37, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

imported>MiamiVolts: Re: How to include...

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	*****Even if it were multiple huge production errors, I still wouldn't want to see an entire page dedicated to it. At most, it should be a note on the original page ([[group of twelve]]). Honestly, I don't think that the differences really Mean Something, it's just the props they had available for ''[[Four Months Later]]'' and the photo they tried to recreate for ''[[The Kindness of Strangers]]''. But even if there is something to it and it really turns out to be some kind of big conspiracy or cover up or who knows what, then the information should still be contained on the article that focuses on the photo: [[group of twelve]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:37, 18 October 2007 (EDT)		*****Even if it were multiple huge production errors, I still wouldn't want to see an entire page dedicated to it. At most, it should be a note on the original page ([[group of twelve]]). Honestly, I don't think that the differences really Mean Something, it's just the props they had available for ''[[Four Months Later]]'' and the photo they tried to recreate for ''[[The Kindness of Strangers]]''. But even if there is something to it and it really turns out to be some kind of big conspiracy or cover up or who knows what, then the information should still be contained on the article that focuses on the photo: [[group of twelve]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:37, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
	****** Again, I agree if it is production errors, we shouldn't discuss it. I don't believe it is. Here are some other angles to consider. 1) There has to be two different full-photos. One Nathan dug up. The other one belongs to whomever tore out Kaito and Angie's pictures. 2) Carefully go back and look at the torn-out pictures of Angie and Kaito. Notice the edges of where the tears are made. They are pretty much identical. The Production people painstakingly went to enough trouble and detail to make sure the edges were ripped exactly the same.....however, the contents of the pictures themselves, show different content (With and without bob, bob with different coats, with and without Dallas). Why would they go to such careful detail to make the tears of the subset photos be exactly the same, yet the content of the pictures being different if it were a production error only? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:44 (EST)</small>		****** Again, I agree if it is production errors, we shouldn't discuss it. I don't believe it is. Here are some other angles to consider. 1) There has to be two different full-photos. One Nathan dug up. The other one belongs to whomever tore out Kaito and Angie's pictures. 2) Carefully go back and look at the torn-out pictures of Angie and Kaito. Notice the edges of where the tears are made. They are pretty much identical. The Production people painstakingly went to enough trouble and detail to make sure the edges were ripped exactly the same.....however, the contents of the pictures themselves, show different content (With and without bob, bob with different coats, with and without Dallas). Why would they go to such careful detail to make the tears of the subset photos be exactly the same, yet the content of the pictures being different if it were a production error only? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:44 (EST)</small>
			******* I think it's best noted by adding the two photos to the gallery on the [[Group of twelve]] article. You could be right that the differences are important... perhaps Hiro's intervention has changed history? It could also be that they simply didn't have casted the role of Dallas when they shot the first photo.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

imported>HiroDynoSlayer at 16:44, 18 October 2007

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	**** Were it just one attribute in the photos, then it could be easily dismissed as a production error. But there are several calculated and distinct differences with several people's pictures. More than just a single production error. Something is subtly going on with this. There are just too many variations here. We shouldn't snuff this out so quickly IMO. I am talking with Admin in my discussion section about how to incorporate this into the Group of Twelve page...so it is documented, perhaps a second gallery there focusing on these differences. I don't really care that it is its own page or not, I just think it is noteworthy and interesting enough to merit coverage....both mentioned in text and showing the graphical picture differences. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:10 (EST)</small>		**** Were it just one attribute in the photos, then it could be easily dismissed as a production error. But there are several calculated and distinct differences with several people's pictures. More than just a single production error. Something is subtly going on with this. There are just too many variations here. We shouldn't snuff this out so quickly IMO. I am talking with Admin in my discussion section about how to incorporate this into the Group of Twelve page...so it is documented, perhaps a second gallery there focusing on these differences. I don't really care that it is its own page or not, I just think it is noteworthy and interesting enough to merit coverage....both mentioned in text and showing the graphical picture differences. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:10 (EST)</small>
	*****Even if it were multiple huge production errors, I still wouldn't want to see an entire page dedicated to it. At most, it should be a note on the original page ([[group of twelve]]). Honestly, I don't think that the differences really Mean Something, it's just the props they had available for ''[[Four Months Later]]'' and the photo they tried to recreate for ''[[The Kindness of Strangers]]''. But even if there is something to it and it really turns out to be some kind of big conspiracy or cover up or who knows what, then the information should still be contained on the article that focuses on the photo: [[group of twelve]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:37, 18 October 2007 (EDT)		*****Even if it were multiple huge production errors, I still wouldn't want to see an entire page dedicated to it. At most, it should be a note on the original page ([[group of twelve]]). Honestly, I don't think that the differences really Mean Something, it's just the props they had available for ''[[Four Months Later]]'' and the photo they tried to recreate for ''[[The Kindness of Strangers]]''. But even if there is something to it and it really turns out to be some kind of big conspiracy or cover up or who knows what, then the information should still be contained on the article that focuses on the photo: [[group of twelve]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:37, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
			****** Again, I agree if it is production errors, we shouldn't discuss it. I don't believe it is. Here are some other angles to consider. 1) There has to be two different full-photos. One Nathan dug up. The other one belongs to whomever tore out Kaito and Angie's pictures. 2) Carefully go back and look at the torn-out pictures of Angie and Kaito. Notice the edges of where the tears are made. They are pretty much identical. The Production people painstakingly went to enough trouble and detail to make sure the edges were ripped exactly the same.....however, the contents of the pictures themselves, show different content (With and without bob, bob with different coats, with and without Dallas). Why would they go to such careful detail to make the tears of the subset photos be exactly the same, yet the content of the pictures being different if it were a production error only? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:44 (EST)</small>

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: Talk:Group of twelve picture variations moved to User talk:HiroDynoSlayer/Group of twelve picture variations: discussion page wasn't moved

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	*** and even if we were to find out that it was some intentional conspiracy where there were multiple photos or someone altered the photo to hide something it would still just belong on the original article. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 12:05, 18 October 2007 (EDT))		*** and even if we were to find out that it was some intentional conspiracy where there were multiple photos or someone altered the photo to hide something it would still just belong on the original article. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 12:05, 18 October 2007 (EDT))
	**** Were it just one attribute in the photos, then it could be easily dismissed as a production error. But there are several calculated and distinct differences with several people's pictures. More than just a single production error. Something is subtly going on with this. There are just too many variations here. We shouldn't snuff this out so quickly IMO. I am talking with Admin in my discussion section about how to incorporate this into the Group of Twelve page...so it is documented, perhaps a second gallery there focusing on these differences. I don't really care that it is its own page or not, I just think it is noteworthy and interesting enough to merit coverage....both mentioned in text and showing the graphical picture differences. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:10 (EST)</small>		**** Were it just one attribute in the photos, then it could be easily dismissed as a production error. But there are several calculated and distinct differences with several people's pictures. More than just a single production error. Something is subtly going on with this. There are just too many variations here. We shouldn't snuff this out so quickly IMO. I am talking with Admin in my discussion section about how to incorporate this into the Group of Twelve page...so it is documented, perhaps a second gallery there focusing on these differences. I don't really care that it is its own page or not, I just think it is noteworthy and interesting enough to merit coverage....both mentioned in text and showing the graphical picture differences. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:10 (EST)</small>
			*****Even if it were multiple huge production errors, I still wouldn't want to see an entire page dedicated to it. At most, it should be a note on the original page ([[group of twelve]]). Honestly, I don't think that the differences really Mean Something, it's just the props they had available for ''[[Four Months Later]]'' and the photo they tried to recreate for ''[[The Kindness of Strangers]]''. But even if there is something to it and it really turns out to be some kind of big conspiracy or cover up or who knows what, then the information should still be contained on the article that focuses on the photo: [[group of twelve]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:37, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

imported>HiroDynoSlayer: /* Delete */ OK, hows the best way to incorporate and keep?

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Delete: OK, hows the best way to incorporate and keep?

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	**I am certainly not fond of pointing out production errors, much less making entire articles about them. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:03, 18 October 2007 (EDT)		**I am certainly not fond of pointing out production errors, much less making entire articles about them. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:03, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
	*** and even if we were to find out that it was some intentional conspiracy where there were multiple photos or someone altered the photo to hide something it would still just belong on the original article. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 12:05, 18 October 2007 (EDT))		*** and even if we were to find out that it was some intentional conspiracy where there were multiple photos or someone altered the photo to hide something it would still just belong on the original article. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 12:05, 18 October 2007 (EDT))
			**** Were it just one attribute in the photos, then it could be easily dismissed as a production error. But there are several calculated and distinct differences with several people's pictures. More than just a single production error. Something is subtly going on with this. There are just too many variations here. We shouldn't snuff this out so quickly IMO. I am talking with Admin in my discussion section about how to incorporate this into the Group of Twelve page...so it is documented, perhaps a second gallery there focusing on these differences. I don't really care that it is its own page or not, I just think it is noteworthy and interesting enough to merit coverage....both mentioned in text and showing the graphical picture differences. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:10 (EST)</small>

imported>Admin at 16:05, 18 October 2007

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	* ...or at most it can move to user space for now. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 11:55, 18 October 2007 (EDT))		* ...or at most it can move to user space for now. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 11:55, 18 October 2007 (EDT))
	**I am certainly not fond of pointing out production errors, much less making entire articles about them. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:03, 18 October 2007 (EDT)		**I am certainly not fond of pointing out production errors, much less making entire articles about them. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:03, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
			*** and even if we were to find out that it was some intentional conspiracy where there were multiple photos or someone altered the photo to hide something it would still just belong on the original article. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 12:05, 18 October 2007 (EDT))

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	* This doesn't need its own article. This is just trivia or notes that belong on [[Group of twelve]]. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 11:52, 18 October 2007 (EDT))		* This doesn't need its own article. This is just trivia or notes that belong on [[Group of twelve]]. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 11:52, 18 October 2007 (EDT))
	* ...or at most it can move to user space for now. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 11:55, 18 October 2007 (EDT))		* ...or at most it can move to user space for now. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 11:55, 18 October 2007 (EDT))
			**I am certainly not fond of pointing out production errors, much less making entire articles about them. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:03, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

imported>Admin at 15:55, 18 October 2007

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	* This doesn't need its own article. This is just trivia or notes that belong on [[Group of twelve]]. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 11:52, 18 October 2007 (EDT))		* This doesn't need its own article. This is just trivia or notes that belong on [[Group of twelve]]. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 11:52, 18 October 2007 (EDT))
			* ...or at most it can move to user space for now. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 11:55, 18 October 2007 (EDT))

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	****** Again, I agree if it is production errors, we shouldn't discuss it. I don't believe it is. Here are some other angles to consider. 1) There has to be two different full-photos. One Nathan dug up. The other one belongs to whomever tore out Kaito and Angie's pictures. 2) Carefully go back and look at the torn-out pictures of Angie and Kaito. Notice the edges of where the tears are made. They are pretty much identical. The Production people painstakingly went to enough trouble and detail to make sure the edges were ripped exactly the same.....however, the contents of the pictures themselves, show different content (With and without bob, bob with different coats, with and without Dallas). Why would they go to such careful detail to make the tears of the subset photos be exactly the same, yet the content of the pictures being different if it were a production error only? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:44 (EST)</small>		****** Again, I agree if it is production errors, we shouldn't discuss it. I don't believe it is. Here are some other angles to consider. 1) There has to be two different full-photos. One Nathan dug up. The other one belongs to whomever tore out Kaito and Angie's pictures. 2) Carefully go back and look at the torn-out pictures of Angie and Kaito. Notice the edges of where the tears are made. They are pretty much identical. The Production people painstakingly went to enough trouble and detail to make sure the edges were ripped exactly the same.....however, the contents of the pictures themselves, show different content (With and without bob, bob with different coats, with and without Dallas). Why would they go to such careful detail to make the tears of the subset photos be exactly the same, yet the content of the pictures being different if it were a production error only? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer\|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer\|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:44 (EST)</small>
	******* I think it's best noted by adding the two photos to the gallery on the [[Group of twelve]] article. You could be right that the differences are important... perhaps Hiro's intervention has changed history? It could also be that they simply didn't have casted the role of Dallas when they shot the first photo.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 18 October 2007 (EDT)		******* I think it's best noted by adding the two photos to the gallery on the [[Group of twelve]] article. You could be right that the differences are important... perhaps Hiro's intervention has changed history? It could also be that they simply didn't have casted the role of Dallas when they shot the first photo.--[[User:MiamiVolts\|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts\|talk]]) 15:01, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
			** I don't mind adding these photos to a second gallery under Notes and explaining the variations as completely as possible, so long as we're clear not to make assumptions about why the photos are different or conclude that they're ''meant'' to be different (that's a theory). We do in fact have pages with multiple galleries -- [[The Symbol]] has several, and usually ''Heroes Evolutions'' pictures are in a separate gallery from episode/GN pictures. I ''do'' mind a separate article--it's completely non-standard. Where would it go in the portals? What categories? How are people even going to know it exists, apart from a link on [[group of twelve]]? If the information relates only to the group of twelve, then that's the page it belongs on.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 15:37, 18 October 2007 (EDT)