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imported>Waffle Fan: /* Hana Gitelman page and notes regarding email/IMs */

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Hana Gitelman page and notes regarding email/IMs

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imported>Waffle Fan: /* Hana Gitelman page and notes regarding email/IMs */

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Hana Gitelman page and notes regarding email/IMs

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	:::::I'll echo that comment. I, for one, don't really enjoy the game and the 360 content. In fact, the only reason I look at it at all is for the purposes of Heroes Wiki. If I weren't a sysop here, I wouldn't look at it all, and then I'd be ''really'' confused by the info, if it were included in places other than the notes. ... I agree, it's frustrating when you really enjoy a particular piece of content (personally, I love the graphic novels, almost as much as the show itself), and it's not considered canon. ''arrgh'' — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:19, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:::::I'll echo that comment. I, for one, don't really enjoy the game and the 360 content. In fact, the only reason I look at it at all is for the purposes of Heroes Wiki. If I weren't a sysop here, I wouldn't look at it all, and then I'd be ''really'' confused by the info, if it were included in places other than the notes. ... I agree, it's frustrating when you really enjoy a particular piece of content (personally, I love the graphic novels, almost as much as the show itself), and it's not considered canon. ''arrgh'' — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:19, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::: I would have to say that I have no problems including Heroes 360 content (such as it is) on other articles, so long as it doesn't appear in the history sections and is clearly labeled as coming from the ARG. That prevents confusion and allows for the possibility that it will be "overruled" by an episode or graphic novel. Of course, that's exactly the way it works under the current [[Help:Sources\|source rules]], even considering it a non-canon source. Ideally, all unlabeled information should come from aired episodes, and any information that comes from elsewhere (previews, spoilers, interviews, graphic novels, Heroes 360) should be labeled. That way, someone who only watches the show knows where information comes from 100% of the time. Considering a source non-canon isn't about saying it didn't happen or isn't true; it's about noting its value relative to the episodes and marking "extra" information as extra.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:30, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:::::: I would have to say that I have no problems including Heroes 360 content (such as it is) on other articles, so long as it doesn't appear in the history sections and is clearly labeled as coming from the ARG. That prevents confusion and allows for the possibility that it will be "overruled" by an episode or graphic novel. Of course, that's exactly the way it works under the current [[Help:Sources\|source rules]], even considering it a non-canon source. Ideally, all unlabeled information should come from aired episodes, and any information that comes from elsewhere (previews, spoilers, interviews, graphic novels, Heroes 360) should be labeled. That way, someone who only watches the show knows where information comes from 100% of the time. Considering a source non-canon isn't about saying it didn't happen or isn't true; it's about noting its value relative to the episodes and marking "extra" information as extra.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:30, 12 February 2007 (EST)
			:::::::OK, I think that sounds workable. I would like to see some graphic tags or boxes we could use to mark or wrap the source for such inclusions. :) --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 10:34, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

imported>Hardvice: fix red link

2007-03-12T06:33:10Z

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	== [[Hana Gitelman]] page and notes regarding email/IMs ==		== [[Hana Gitelman]] page and notes regarding email/IMs ==
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	If the following info is "canon"...		If the following info is "canon"...

	* During the [[:Category:~~Heroes360~~\|~~Heroes360~~]] experience, the [[Primatechpaper.com\|Primatech paper website]] was "hacked" by [[Hana]], revealing [[:Image:Hanas dossier.PNG\|this dossier]] on her.		* During the [[:Category:Heroes 360\|Heroes 360]] experience, the [[Primatechpaper.com\|Primatech paper website]] was "hacked" by [[Hana]], revealing [[:Image:Hanas dossier.PNG\|this dossier]] on her.
	* Hana also sent Heroes360 participants a link to her [[Hana's website\|website]].		* Hana also sent Heroes360 participants a link to her [[Hana's website\|website]].
	* Hana also sent Heroes360 participants a link to her [[Hana's website\|website]].		* Hana also sent Heroes360 participants a link to her [[Hana's website\|website]].
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	Then why is the content of the messages she has sent not canon? --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 03:01, 10 February 2007 (EST)		Then why is the content of the messages she has sent not canon? --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 03:01, 10 February 2007 (EST)

	* Hey, Waffle Fan. The main issue was that the info is already on [[Primatechpaper.com]], so it didn't need to be on Hana's article as well since there's already a link from her article to [[Primatechpaper.com]]. The smaller issue was that what occurs as part of [[~~Heroes360~~]] is not exactly canonical so it should only really be mentioned in character articles in the Notes or Trivia sections. The [[Primatechpaper.com]] article is part of our documentation on [[~~Heroes360~~]] so it definitely belongs in there. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 08:46, 10 February 2007 (EST))		* Hey, Waffle Fan. The main issue was that the info is already on [[Primatechpaper.com]], so it didn't need to be on Hana's article as well since there's already a link from her article to [[Primatechpaper.com]]. The smaller issue was that what occurs as part of [[Heroes 360]] is not exactly canonical so it should only really be mentioned in character articles in the Notes or Trivia sections. The [[Primatechpaper.com]] article is part of our documentation on [[Heroes 360]] so it definitely belongs in there. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 08:46, 10 February 2007 (EST))

	:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[~~Heroes360~~]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of Heroes that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes 360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of Heroes that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered ~~truely~~ canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))		::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered truly canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))

	:::I guess I am just having trouble, as a net geek, accepting the notion that a series which is going to such lengths to create a multimedia fan experience should be restricted to only what one part of that media displays. TV, web-comic, email, web pages... so long as it can be reliably determined that the content actually originated with the show's producers, should be considered canon. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 10:08, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:::I guess I am just having trouble, as a net geek, accepting the notion that a series which is going to such lengths to create a multimedia fan experience should be restricted to only what one part of that media displays. TV, web-comic, email, web pages... so long as it can be reliably determined that the content actually originated with the show's producers, should be considered canon. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 10:08, 12 February 2007 (EST)
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	::::The biggest issue I can see with considering them canon at this time is that we have no idea who's responsible for the content. Is it NBC's webmaster? Is it the interns they chain in the dungeon and force to write Hiro's (also not canon) blog and Claire's (also not canon) MySpace? Or is it the writers of the show? Unless it's the writers, there's always a good chance that the Heroes 360 stuff will be contradicted by an episode or a graphic novel (heck, even if it ''is'' the writers there's still a chance of that happening) ... particularly if it's just NBC's marketing team doing the 360 content. NBC can't even get the actual aired details of the shows right with any consistency, so why should we trust them for creating new content? Also, we run into the same problem we have with the graphic novels, only more so: treating the ARG stuff as canon is potentially very confusing for people who are just watching the show and not playing the game (which is, once you leave the safe and happy confines of hardcore fandom, probably most people).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 12:31, 12 February 2007 (EST)		::::The biggest issue I can see with considering them canon at this time is that we have no idea who's responsible for the content. Is it NBC's webmaster? Is it the interns they chain in the dungeon and force to write Hiro's (also not canon) blog and Claire's (also not canon) MySpace? Or is it the writers of the show? Unless it's the writers, there's always a good chance that the Heroes 360 stuff will be contradicted by an episode or a graphic novel (heck, even if it ''is'' the writers there's still a chance of that happening) ... particularly if it's just NBC's marketing team doing the 360 content. NBC can't even get the actual aired details of the shows right with any consistency, so why should we trust them for creating new content? Also, we run into the same problem we have with the graphic novels, only more so: treating the ARG stuff as canon is potentially very confusing for people who are just watching the show and not playing the game (which is, once you leave the safe and happy confines of hardcore fandom, probably most people).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 12:31, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::I'll echo that comment. I, for one, don't really enjoy the game and the 360 content. In fact, the only reason I look at it at all is for the purposes of Heroes Wiki. If I weren't a sysop here, I wouldn't look at it all, and then I'd be ''really'' confused by the info, if it were included in places other than the notes. ... I agree, it's frustrating when you really enjoy a particular piece of content (personally, I love the graphic novels, almost as much as the show itself), and it's not considered canon. ''arrgh'' — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:19, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:::::I'll echo that comment. I, for one, don't really enjoy the game and the 360 content. In fact, the only reason I look at it at all is for the purposes of Heroes Wiki. If I weren't a sysop here, I wouldn't look at it all, and then I'd be ''really'' confused by the info, if it were included in places other than the notes. ... I agree, it's frustrating when you really enjoy a particular piece of content (personally, I love the graphic novels, almost as much as the show itself), and it's not considered canon. ''arrgh'' — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:19, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::: I would have to say that I have no problems including Heroes 360 content (such as it is) on other articles, so long as it doesn't appear in the history sections and is clearly labeled as coming from the ARG. That prevents confusion and allows for the possibility that it will be "overruled" by an episode or graphic novel. Of course, that's exactly the way it works under the current [[Help:Sources\|source rules]], even considering it a non-canon source. Ideally, all unlabeled information should come from aired episodes, and any information that comes from elsewhere (previews, spoilers, interviews, graphic novels, Heroes 360) should be labeled. That way, someone who only watches the show knows where information comes from 100% of the time. Considering a ~~sourcet~~ non-canon isn't about saying it didn't happen or isn't true; it's about noting its value relative to the episodes and marking "extra" information as extra.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:30, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:::::: I would have to say that I have no problems including Heroes 360 content (such as it is) on other articles, so long as it doesn't appear in the history sections and is clearly labeled as coming from the ARG. That prevents confusion and allows for the possibility that it will be "overruled" by an episode or graphic novel. Of course, that's exactly the way it works under the current [[Help:Sources\|source rules]], even considering it a non-canon source. Ideally, all unlabeled information should come from aired episodes, and any information that comes from elsewhere (previews, spoilers, interviews, graphic novels, Heroes 360) should be labeled. That way, someone who only watches the show knows where information comes from 100% of the time. Considering a source non-canon isn't about saying it didn't happen or isn't true; it's about noting its value relative to the episodes and marking "extra" information as extra.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:30, 12 February 2007 (EST)

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	::::The biggest issue I can see with considering them canon at this time is that we have no idea who's responsible for the content. Is it NBC's webmaster? Is it the interns they chain in the dungeon and force to write Hiro's (also not canon) blog and Claire's (also not canon) MySpace? Or is it the writers of the show? Unless it's the writers, there's always a good chance that the Heroes 360 stuff will be contradicted by an episode or a graphic novel (heck, even if it ''is'' the writers there's still a chance of that happening) ... particularly if it's just NBC's marketing team doing the 360 content. NBC can't even get the actual aired details of the shows right with any consistency, so why should we trust them for creating new content? Also, we run into the same problem we have with the graphic novels, only more so: treating the ARG stuff as canon is potentially very confusing for people who are just watching the show and not playing the game (which is, once you leave the safe and happy confines of hardcore fandom, probably most people).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 12:31, 12 February 2007 (EST)		::::The biggest issue I can see with considering them canon at this time is that we have no idea who's responsible for the content. Is it NBC's webmaster? Is it the interns they chain in the dungeon and force to write Hiro's (also not canon) blog and Claire's (also not canon) MySpace? Or is it the writers of the show? Unless it's the writers, there's always a good chance that the Heroes 360 stuff will be contradicted by an episode or a graphic novel (heck, even if it ''is'' the writers there's still a chance of that happening) ... particularly if it's just NBC's marketing team doing the 360 content. NBC can't even get the actual aired details of the shows right with any consistency, so why should we trust them for creating new content? Also, we run into the same problem we have with the graphic novels, only more so: treating the ARG stuff as canon is potentially very confusing for people who are just watching the show and not playing the game (which is, once you leave the safe and happy confines of hardcore fandom, probably most people).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 12:31, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::I'll echo that comment. I, for one, don't really enjoy the game and the 360 content. In fact, the only reason I look at it at all is for the purposes of Heroes Wiki. If I weren't a sysop here, I wouldn't look at it all, and then I'd be ''really'' confused by the info, if it were included in places other than the notes. ... I agree, it's frustrating when you really enjoy a particular piece of content (personally, I love the graphic novels, almost as much as the show itself), and it's not considered canon. ''arrgh'' — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:19, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:::::I'll echo that comment. I, for one, don't really enjoy the game and the 360 content. In fact, the only reason I look at it at all is for the purposes of Heroes Wiki. If I weren't a sysop here, I wouldn't look at it all, and then I'd be ''really'' confused by the info, if it were included in places other than the notes. ... I agree, it's frustrating when you really enjoy a particular piece of content (personally, I love the graphic novels, almost as much as the show itself), and it's not considered canon. ''arrgh'' — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:19, 12 February 2007 (EST)
			:::::: I would have to say that I have no problems including Heroes 360 content (such as it is) on other articles, so long as it doesn't appear in the history sections and is clearly labeled as coming from the ARG. That prevents confusion and allows for the possibility that it will be "overruled" by an episode or graphic novel. Of course, that's exactly the way it works under the current [[Help:Sources\|source rules]], even considering it a non-canon source. Ideally, all unlabeled information should come from aired episodes, and any information that comes from elsewhere (previews, spoilers, interviews, graphic novels, Heroes 360) should be labeled. That way, someone who only watches the show knows where information comes from 100% of the time. Considering a sourcet non-canon isn't about saying it didn't happen or isn't true; it's about noting its value relative to the episodes and marking "extra" information as extra.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:30, 12 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* Hana Gitelman page and notes regarding email/IMs */

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Hana Gitelman page and notes regarding email/IMs

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	::::The biggest issue I can see with considering them canon at this time is that we have no idea who's responsible for the content. Is it NBC's webmaster? Is it the interns they chain in the dungeon and force to write Hiro's (also not canon) blog and Claire's (also not canon) MySpace? Or is it the writers of the show? Unless it's the writers, there's always a good chance that the Heroes 360 stuff will be contradicted by an episode or a graphic novel (heck, even if it ''is'' the writers there's still a chance of that happening) ... particularly if it's just NBC's marketing team doing the 360 content. NBC can't even get the actual aired details of the shows right with any consistency, so why should we trust them for creating new content? Also, we run into the same problem we have with the graphic novels, only more so: treating the ARG stuff as canon is potentially very confusing for people who are just watching the show and not playing the game (which is, once you leave the safe and happy confines of hardcore fandom, probably most people).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 12:31, 12 February 2007 (EST)		::::The biggest issue I can see with considering them canon at this time is that we have no idea who's responsible for the content. Is it NBC's webmaster? Is it the interns they chain in the dungeon and force to write Hiro's (also not canon) blog and Claire's (also not canon) MySpace? Or is it the writers of the show? Unless it's the writers, there's always a good chance that the Heroes 360 stuff will be contradicted by an episode or a graphic novel (heck, even if it ''is'' the writers there's still a chance of that happening) ... particularly if it's just NBC's marketing team doing the 360 content. NBC can't even get the actual aired details of the shows right with any consistency, so why should we trust them for creating new content? Also, we run into the same problem we have with the graphic novels, only more so: treating the ARG stuff as canon is potentially very confusing for people who are just watching the show and not playing the game (which is, once you leave the safe and happy confines of hardcore fandom, probably most people).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 12:31, 12 February 2007 (EST)
			:::::I'll echo that comment. I, for one, don't really enjoy the game and the 360 content. In fact, the only reason I look at it at all is for the purposes of Heroes Wiki. If I weren't a sysop here, I wouldn't look at it all, and then I'd be ''really'' confused by the info, if it were included in places other than the notes. ... I agree, it's frustrating when you really enjoy a particular piece of content (personally, I love the graphic novels, almost as much as the show itself), and it's not considered canon. ''arrgh'' — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:19, 12 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Hardvice at 17:31, 12 February 2007

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	:::I guess I am just having trouble, as a net geek, accepting the notion that a series which is going to such lengths to create a multimedia fan experience should be restricted to only what one part of that media displays. TV, web-comic, email, web pages... so long as it can be reliably determined that the content actually originated with the show's producers, should be considered canon. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 10:08, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:::I guess I am just having trouble, as a net geek, accepting the notion that a series which is going to such lengths to create a multimedia fan experience should be restricted to only what one part of that media displays. TV, web-comic, email, web pages... so long as it can be reliably determined that the content actually originated with the show's producers, should be considered canon. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 10:08, 12 February 2007 (EST)

			::::The biggest issue I can see with considering them canon at this time is that we have no idea who's responsible for the content. Is it NBC's webmaster? Is it the interns they chain in the dungeon and force to write Hiro's (also not canon) blog and Claire's (also not canon) MySpace? Or is it the writers of the show? Unless it's the writers, there's always a good chance that the Heroes 360 stuff will be contradicted by an episode or a graphic novel (heck, even if it ''is'' the writers there's still a chance of that happening) ... particularly if it's just NBC's marketing team doing the 360 content. NBC can't even get the actual aired details of the shows right with any consistency, so why should we trust them for creating new content? Also, we run into the same problem we have with the graphic novels, only more so: treating the ARG stuff as canon is potentially very confusing for people who are just watching the show and not playing the game (which is, once you leave the safe and happy confines of hardcore fandom, probably most people).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 12:31, 12 February 2007 (EST)

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	* Hey, Waffle Fan. The main issue was that the info is already on [[Primatechpaper.com]], so it didn't need to be on Hana's article as well since there's already a link from her article to [[Primatechpaper.com]]. The smaller issue was that what occurs as part of [[Heroes360]] is not exactly canonical so it should only really be mentioned in character articles in the Notes or Trivia sections. The [[Primatechpaper.com]] article is part of our documentation on [[Heroes360]] so it definitely belongs in there. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 08:46, 10 February 2007 (EST))		* Hey, Waffle Fan. The main issue was that the info is already on [[Primatechpaper.com]], so it didn't need to be on Hana's article as well since there's already a link from her article to [[Primatechpaper.com]]. The smaller issue was that what occurs as part of [[Heroes360]] is not exactly canonical so it should only really be mentioned in character articles in the Notes or Trivia sections. The [[Primatechpaper.com]] article is part of our documentation on [[Heroes360]] so it definitely belongs in there. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 08:46, 10 February 2007 (EST))

	:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of [[Heroes]] that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of Heroes that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered truely canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))		::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered truely canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))

imported>Waffle Fan: /* Hana Gitelman page and notes regarding email/IMs */ reply

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Hana Gitelman page and notes regarding email/IMs: reply

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	:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of [[Heroes]] that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of [[Heroes]] that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered truely canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))		::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered truely canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))

			:::I guess I am just having trouble, as a net geek, accepting the notion that a series which is going to such lengths to create a multimedia fan experience should be restricted to only what one part of that media displays. TV, web-comic, email, web pages... so long as it can be reliably determined that the content actually originated with the show's producers, should be considered canon. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 10:08, 12 February 2007 (EST)

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	:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of [[Heroes]] that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of [[Heroes]] that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)
			::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered truely canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))

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	* Hey, Waffle Fan. The main issue was that the info is already on [[Primatechpaper.com]], so it didn't need to be on Hana's article as well since there's already a link from her article to [[Primatechpaper.com]]. The smaller issue was that what occurs as part of [[Heroes360]] is not exactly canonical so it should only really be mentioned in character articles in the Notes or Trivia sections. The [[Primatechpaper.com]] article is part of our documentation on [[Heroes360]] so it definitely belongs in there. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 08:46, 10 February 2007 (EST))		* Hey, Waffle Fan. The main issue was that the info is already on [[Primatechpaper.com]], so it didn't need to be on Hana's article as well since there's already a link from her article to [[Primatechpaper.com]]. The smaller issue was that what occurs as part of [[Heroes360]] is not exactly canonical so it should only really be mentioned in character articles in the Notes or Trivia sections. The [[Primatechpaper.com]] article is part of our documentation on [[Heroes360]] so it definitely belongs in there. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 08:46, 10 February 2007 (EST))

	:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of [[Heroes]] that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)

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	== [[Hana Gitelman]] page and notes regarding email/IMs ==		== [[Hana Gitelman]] page and notes regarding email/IMs ==
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	If the following info is "canon"...		If the following info is "canon"...

	* During the [[:Category:~~Heroes360~~\|~~Heroes360~~]] experience, the [[Primatechpaper.com\|Primatech paper website]] was "hacked" by [[Hana]], revealing [[:Image:Hanas dossier.PNG\|this dossier]] on her.		* During the [[:Category:Heroes 360\|Heroes 360]] experience, the [[Primatechpaper.com\|Primatech paper website]] was "hacked" by [[Hana]], revealing [[:Image:Hanas dossier.PNG\|this dossier]] on her.
	* Hana also sent Heroes360 participants a link to her [[Hana's website\|website]].		* Hana also sent Heroes360 participants a link to her [[Hana's website\|website]].
	* Hana also sent Heroes360 participants a link to her [[Hana's website\|website]].		* Hana also sent Heroes360 participants a link to her [[Hana's website\|website]].
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	Then why is the content of the messages she has sent not canon? --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 03:01, 10 February 2007 (EST)		Then why is the content of the messages she has sent not canon? --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 03:01, 10 February 2007 (EST)

	* Hey, Waffle Fan. The main issue was that the info is already on [[Primatechpaper.com]], so it didn't need to be on Hana's article as well since there's already a link from her article to [[Primatechpaper.com]]. The smaller issue was that what occurs as part of [[~~Heroes360~~]] is not exactly canonical so it should only really be mentioned in character articles in the Notes or Trivia sections. The [[Primatechpaper.com]] article is part of our documentation on [[~~Heroes360~~]] so it definitely belongs in there. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 08:46, 10 February 2007 (EST))		* Hey, Waffle Fan. The main issue was that the info is already on [[Primatechpaper.com]], so it didn't need to be on Hana's article as well since there's already a link from her article to [[Primatechpaper.com]]. The smaller issue was that what occurs as part of [[Heroes 360]] is not exactly canonical so it should only really be mentioned in character articles in the Notes or Trivia sections. The [[Primatechpaper.com]] article is part of our documentation on [[Heroes 360]] so it definitely belongs in there. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 08:46, 10 February 2007 (EST))

	:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[~~Heroes360~~]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of Heroes that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes 360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of Heroes that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered ~~truely~~ canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))		::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered truly canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))

	:::I guess I am just having trouble, as a net geek, accepting the notion that a series which is going to such lengths to create a multimedia fan experience should be restricted to only what one part of that media displays. TV, web-comic, email, web pages... so long as it can be reliably determined that the content actually originated with the show's producers, should be considered canon. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 10:08, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:::I guess I am just having trouble, as a net geek, accepting the notion that a series which is going to such lengths to create a multimedia fan experience should be restricted to only what one part of that media displays. TV, web-comic, email, web pages... so long as it can be reliably determined that the content actually originated with the show's producers, should be considered canon. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 10:08, 12 February 2007 (EST)
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	::::The biggest issue I can see with considering them canon at this time is that we have no idea who's responsible for the content. Is it NBC's webmaster? Is it the interns they chain in the dungeon and force to write Hiro's (also not canon) blog and Claire's (also not canon) MySpace? Or is it the writers of the show? Unless it's the writers, there's always a good chance that the Heroes 360 stuff will be contradicted by an episode or a graphic novel (heck, even if it ''is'' the writers there's still a chance of that happening) ... particularly if it's just NBC's marketing team doing the 360 content. NBC can't even get the actual aired details of the shows right with any consistency, so why should we trust them for creating new content? Also, we run into the same problem we have with the graphic novels, only more so: treating the ARG stuff as canon is potentially very confusing for people who are just watching the show and not playing the game (which is, once you leave the safe and happy confines of hardcore fandom, probably most people).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 12:31, 12 February 2007 (EST)		::::The biggest issue I can see with considering them canon at this time is that we have no idea who's responsible for the content. Is it NBC's webmaster? Is it the interns they chain in the dungeon and force to write Hiro's (also not canon) blog and Claire's (also not canon) MySpace? Or is it the writers of the show? Unless it's the writers, there's always a good chance that the Heroes 360 stuff will be contradicted by an episode or a graphic novel (heck, even if it ''is'' the writers there's still a chance of that happening) ... particularly if it's just NBC's marketing team doing the 360 content. NBC can't even get the actual aired details of the shows right with any consistency, so why should we trust them for creating new content? Also, we run into the same problem we have with the graphic novels, only more so: treating the ARG stuff as canon is potentially very confusing for people who are just watching the show and not playing the game (which is, once you leave the safe and happy confines of hardcore fandom, probably most people).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 12:31, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::I'll echo that comment. I, for one, don't really enjoy the game and the 360 content. In fact, the only reason I look at it at all is for the purposes of Heroes Wiki. If I weren't a sysop here, I wouldn't look at it all, and then I'd be ''really'' confused by the info, if it were included in places other than the notes. ... I agree, it's frustrating when you really enjoy a particular piece of content (personally, I love the graphic novels, almost as much as the show itself), and it's not considered canon. ''arrgh'' — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:19, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:::::I'll echo that comment. I, for one, don't really enjoy the game and the 360 content. In fact, the only reason I look at it at all is for the purposes of Heroes Wiki. If I weren't a sysop here, I wouldn't look at it all, and then I'd be ''really'' confused by the info, if it were included in places other than the notes. ... I agree, it's frustrating when you really enjoy a particular piece of content (personally, I love the graphic novels, almost as much as the show itself), and it's not considered canon. ''arrgh'' — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:19, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::: I would have to say that I have no problems including Heroes 360 content (such as it is) on other articles, so long as it doesn't appear in the history sections and is clearly labeled as coming from the ARG. That prevents confusion and allows for the possibility that it will be "overruled" by an episode or graphic novel. Of course, that's exactly the way it works under the current [[Help:Sources\|source rules]], even considering it a non-canon source. Ideally, all unlabeled information should come from aired episodes, and any information that comes from elsewhere (previews, spoilers, interviews, graphic novels, Heroes 360) should be labeled. That way, someone who only watches the show knows where information comes from 100% of the time. Considering a ~~sourcet~~ non-canon isn't about saying it didn't happen or isn't true; it's about noting its value relative to the episodes and marking "extra" information as extra.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:30, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:::::: I would have to say that I have no problems including Heroes 360 content (such as it is) on other articles, so long as it doesn't appear in the history sections and is clearly labeled as coming from the ARG. That prevents confusion and allows for the possibility that it will be "overruled" by an episode or graphic novel. Of course, that's exactly the way it works under the current [[Help:Sources\|source rules]], even considering it a non-canon source. Ideally, all unlabeled information should come from aired episodes, and any information that comes from elsewhere (previews, spoilers, interviews, graphic novels, Heroes 360) should be labeled. That way, someone who only watches the show knows where information comes from 100% of the time. Considering a source non-canon isn't about saying it didn't happen or isn't true; it's about noting its value relative to the episodes and marking "extra" information as extra.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:30, 12 February 2007 (EST)

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	::::The biggest issue I can see with considering them canon at this time is that we have no idea who's responsible for the content. Is it NBC's webmaster? Is it the interns they chain in the dungeon and force to write Hiro's (also not canon) blog and Claire's (also not canon) MySpace? Or is it the writers of the show? Unless it's the writers, there's always a good chance that the Heroes 360 stuff will be contradicted by an episode or a graphic novel (heck, even if it ''is'' the writers there's still a chance of that happening) ... particularly if it's just NBC's marketing team doing the 360 content. NBC can't even get the actual aired details of the shows right with any consistency, so why should we trust them for creating new content? Also, we run into the same problem we have with the graphic novels, only more so: treating the ARG stuff as canon is potentially very confusing for people who are just watching the show and not playing the game (which is, once you leave the safe and happy confines of hardcore fandom, probably most people).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 12:31, 12 February 2007 (EST)		::::The biggest issue I can see with considering them canon at this time is that we have no idea who's responsible for the content. Is it NBC's webmaster? Is it the interns they chain in the dungeon and force to write Hiro's (also not canon) blog and Claire's (also not canon) MySpace? Or is it the writers of the show? Unless it's the writers, there's always a good chance that the Heroes 360 stuff will be contradicted by an episode or a graphic novel (heck, even if it ''is'' the writers there's still a chance of that happening) ... particularly if it's just NBC's marketing team doing the 360 content. NBC can't even get the actual aired details of the shows right with any consistency, so why should we trust them for creating new content? Also, we run into the same problem we have with the graphic novels, only more so: treating the ARG stuff as canon is potentially very confusing for people who are just watching the show and not playing the game (which is, once you leave the safe and happy confines of hardcore fandom, probably most people).--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 12:31, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::I'll echo that comment. I, for one, don't really enjoy the game and the 360 content. In fact, the only reason I look at it at all is for the purposes of Heroes Wiki. If I weren't a sysop here, I wouldn't look at it all, and then I'd be ''really'' confused by the info, if it were included in places other than the notes. ... I agree, it's frustrating when you really enjoy a particular piece of content (personally, I love the graphic novels, almost as much as the show itself), and it's not considered canon. ''arrgh'' — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:19, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:::::I'll echo that comment. I, for one, don't really enjoy the game and the 360 content. In fact, the only reason I look at it at all is for the purposes of Heroes Wiki. If I weren't a sysop here, I wouldn't look at it all, and then I'd be ''really'' confused by the info, if it were included in places other than the notes. ... I agree, it's frustrating when you really enjoy a particular piece of content (personally, I love the graphic novels, almost as much as the show itself), and it's not considered canon. ''arrgh'' — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:19, 12 February 2007 (EST)
			:::::: I would have to say that I have no problems including Heroes 360 content (such as it is) on other articles, so long as it doesn't appear in the history sections and is clearly labeled as coming from the ARG. That prevents confusion and allows for the possibility that it will be "overruled" by an episode or graphic novel. Of course, that's exactly the way it works under the current [[Help:Sources\|source rules]], even considering it a non-canon source. Ideally, all unlabeled information should come from aired episodes, and any information that comes from elsewhere (previews, spoilers, interviews, graphic novels, Heroes 360) should be labeled. That way, someone who only watches the show knows where information comes from 100% of the time. Considering a sourcet non-canon isn't about saying it didn't happen or isn't true; it's about noting its value relative to the episodes and marking "extra" information as extra.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 13:30, 12 February 2007 (EST)

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	* Hey, Waffle Fan. The main issue was that the info is already on [[Primatechpaper.com]], so it didn't need to be on Hana's article as well since there's already a link from her article to [[Primatechpaper.com]]. The smaller issue was that what occurs as part of [[Heroes360]] is not exactly canonical so it should only really be mentioned in character articles in the Notes or Trivia sections. The [[Primatechpaper.com]] article is part of our documentation on [[Heroes360]] so it definitely belongs in there. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 08:46, 10 February 2007 (EST))		* Hey, Waffle Fan. The main issue was that the info is already on [[Primatechpaper.com]], so it didn't need to be on Hana's article as well since there's already a link from her article to [[Primatechpaper.com]]. The smaller issue was that what occurs as part of [[Heroes360]] is not exactly canonical so it should only really be mentioned in character articles in the Notes or Trivia sections. The [[Primatechpaper.com]] article is part of our documentation on [[Heroes360]] so it definitely belongs in there. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 08:46, 10 February 2007 (EST))

	:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of [[Heroes]] that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of Heroes that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered truely canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))		::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered truely canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))

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	:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of [[Heroes]] that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)		:OK, I understand. However, I think there should be a separate article, linked from [[Heroes360]] and [[Hana Gitelman]], that has a complete chronological record of the communiques from Hana. See ya after tonight's broadcast! :) I also feel that, since these communications originate from the producers of [[Heroes]] that they SHOULD be considered canonical. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 09:56, 12 February 2007 (EST)
	::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered truely canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))		::Check out [[Primatechpaper.com]], I do believe all of Hana's messages are being documented there. As for their reliability, they're considered near-canon. Only content that has aired within the show itself is considered truely canon. ([[User:Admin\|Admin]] 10:04, 12 February 2007 (EST))

			:::I guess I am just having trouble, as a net geek, accepting the notion that a series which is going to such lengths to create a multimedia fan experience should be restricted to only what one part of that media displays. TV, web-comic, email, web pages... so long as it can be reliably determined that the content actually originated with the show's producers, should be considered canon. --[[User:Waffle Fan\|Waffle Fan]] 10:08, 12 February 2007 (EST)