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	*Sorry for the long time in responding, rebuilding my computer from scratch after my PC crashed and took my OS with it. Let me tell you, using Linux to basically break into a NTFS formated drives to get at all my software and backup post mortem. take my advice BACK UP TONIGHT!<p>Since there is no other list, the name given to and commonly recognized is the proper name, as in proper noun (Also referred to as a proper pronoun). An example is 'Shindler's List'. If it refers to a particular list, not just a list that belonged to Shindler, but a recognized specific list. If it was just an unspecific list, then it would be 'Schindler's list'. Therefore 'The List' and 'The Map', which are titles given to the items by the show and the fans. At least that is my argumen... side of the debate. ;-)<p>The general rule I went by was one link per section of the table because some people who previously read it and are only reading the sections that change. That way they don't have to reread the rest to find the link. this follows the rules I was taught for making footnotes. Once in a page unless there is a diagram, graph, bulleted list, or columns.<p>I would like a generally agreed guideline on this.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 22:52, 23 February 2007 (EST)		*Sorry for the long time in responding, rebuilding my computer from scratch after my PC crashed and took my OS with it. Let me tell you, using Linux to basically break into a NTFS formated drives to get at all my software and backup post mortem. take my advice BACK UP TONIGHT!<p>Since there is no other list, the name given to and commonly recognized is the proper name, as in proper noun (Also referred to as a proper pronoun). An example is 'Shindler's List'. If it refers to a particular list, not just a list that belonged to Shindler, but a recognized specific list. If it was just an unspecific list, then it would be 'Schindler's list'. Therefore 'The List' and 'The Map', which are titles given to the items by the show and the fans. At least that is my argumen... side of the debate. ;-)<p>The general rule I went by was one link per section of the table because some people who previously read it and are only reading the sections that change. That way they don't have to reread the rest to find the link. this follows the rules I was taught for making footnotes. Once in a page unless there is a diagram, graph, bulleted list, or columns.<p>I would like a generally agreed guideline on this.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 22:52, 23 February 2007 (EST)
	**We did, for awhile, capitalize lots of the nouns. That's been changed, but you can see relics of it in some of the redirects. In general, we keep "list" lowercase (same with "map"). The only ones we capitalize are "Symbol" and "Mark", unless referenced in the indefinite ("Isaac has a [[mark]] on his neck", "Matt stares at a [[symbol]] in the pool"). As for links, it's generally agreed that one link per section is necessary. I think I was curious about the edit you made that included more than one link per section. But it's kind of a moot issue now, isn't it? :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 23:04, 23 February 2007 (EST)		**We did, for awhile, capitalize lots of the nouns. That's been changed, but you can see relics of it in some of the redirects. In general, we keep "list" lowercase (same with "map"). The only ones we capitalize are "Symbol" and "Mark", unless referenced in the indefinite ("Isaac has a [[mark]] on his neck", "Matt stares at a [[symbol]] in the pool"). As for links, it's generally agreed that one link per section is necessary. I think I was curious about the edit you made that included more than one link per section. But it's kind of a moot issue now, isn't it? :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 23:04, 23 February 2007 (EST)
			***I just wanted a clarification why you don't capitalize and explain why I did. As for the multiple links, that was an accident and I wanted to state why I was doing links in each section because I was thinking that that would be a possible guideline.<p>I originally was posting this on Sunday when my PC had a major nervous breakdown and it took me 2 days just to get it to boot let alone set up, install, update, and the other stuff that entails. I only made a couple of posts when I visited friends and used their computers. I forgot about this post not going through.<p>For that article it is moot, I just wanted to clear this up and respond to your post.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 00:19, 24 February 2007 (EST)

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	Hey, WolvenSpectre. I was reading your [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Theories%3AItems&diff=36161&oldid=36109 edit summary], and I was having a hard time figuring out why you capitalized some of the links. If I understood you correctly, you capitalized ''The Map'' and ''The List'' because they are treated as proper nouns. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but ultimately, we're not really making any common nouns proper, with the exception of [[the Symbol]] and [[the Mark]]. I'm also not sure why you reinstated so many of the links. Granted, we don't have a rule for links per page or links per section, but we generally try to do one link per section. I'm counting 3 links to [[the list]], not including the section heading; there are also 3 links to [[AWI]], two of which are in the same column. I just don't think that many are necessary, but if you have a reason, I'd like to know. Thanks! :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:23, 19 February 2007 (EST)		Hey, WolvenSpectre. I was reading your [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Theories%3AItems&diff=36161&oldid=36109 edit summary], and I was having a hard time figuring out why you capitalized some of the links. If I understood you correctly, you capitalized ''The Map'' and ''The List'' because they are treated as proper nouns. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but ultimately, we're not really making any common nouns proper, with the exception of [[the Symbol]] and [[the Mark]]. I'm also not sure why you reinstated so many of the links. Granted, we don't have a rule for links per page or links per section, but we generally try to do one link per section. I'm counting 3 links to [[the list]], not including the section heading; there are also 3 links to [[AWI]], two of which are in the same column. I just don't think that many are necessary, but if you have a reason, I'd like to know. Thanks! :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:23, 19 February 2007 (EST)
	*Sorry for the long time in responding, rebuilding my computer from scratch after my PC crashed and took my OS with it. Let me tell you, using Linux to basically break into a NTFS formated drives to get at all my software and backup post mortem. take my advice BACK UP TONIGHT!<p>Since there is no other list, the name given to and commonly recognized is the proper name, as in proper noun (Also referred to as a proper pronoun). An example is 'Shindler's List'. If it refers to a particular list, not just a list that belonged to Shindler, but a recognized specific list. If it was just an unspecific list, then it would be 'Schindler's list'. Therefore 'The List' and 'The Map', which are titles given to the items by the show and the fans. At least that is my argumen... side of the debate. ;-)<p>The general rule I went by was one link per section of the table because some people who previously read it and are only reading the sections that change. That way they don't have to reread the rest to find the link. this follows the rules I was taught for making footnotes. Once in a page unless there is a diagram, graph, bulleted list, or columns.<p>I would like a generally agreed guideline on this.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 22:52, 23 February 2007 (EST)		*Sorry for the long time in responding, rebuilding my computer from scratch after my PC crashed and took my OS with it. Let me tell you, using Linux to basically break into a NTFS formated drives to get at all my software and backup post mortem. take my advice BACK UP TONIGHT!<p>Since there is no other list, the name given to and commonly recognized is the proper name, as in proper noun (Also referred to as a proper pronoun). An example is 'Shindler's List'. If it refers to a particular list, not just a list that belonged to Shindler, but a recognized specific list. If it was just an unspecific list, then it would be 'Schindler's list'. Therefore 'The List' and 'The Map', which are titles given to the items by the show and the fans. At least that is my argumen... side of the debate. ;-)<p>The general rule I went by was one link per section of the table because some people who previously read it and are only reading the sections that change. That way they don't have to reread the rest to find the link. this follows the rules I was taught for making footnotes. Once in a page unless there is a diagram, graph, bulleted list, or columns.<p>I would like a generally agreed guideline on this.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 22:52, 23 February 2007 (EST)
			**We did, for awhile, capitalize lots of the nouns. That's been changed, but you can see relics of it in some of the redirects. In general, we keep "list" lowercase (same with "map"). The only ones we capitalize are "Symbol" and "Mark", unless referenced in the indefinite ("Isaac has a [[mark]] on his neck", "Matt stares at a [[symbol]] in the pool"). As for links, it's generally agreed that one link per section is necessary. I think I was curious about the edit you made that included more than one link per section. But it's kind of a moot issue now, isn't it? :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 23:04, 23 February 2007 (EST)

imported>WolvenSpectre: /* Capitalizing and Links */

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	Hey, WolvenSpectre. I was reading your [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Theories%3AItems&diff=36161&oldid=36109 edit summary], and I was having a hard time figuring out why you capitalized some of the links. If I understood you correctly, you capitalized ''The Map'' and ''The List'' because they are treated as proper nouns. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but ultimately, we're not really making any common nouns proper, with the exception of [[the Symbol]] and [[the Mark]]. I'm also not sure why you reinstated so many of the links. Granted, we don't have a rule for links per page or links per section, but we generally try to do one link per section. I'm counting 3 links to [[the list]], not including the section heading; there are also 3 links to [[AWI]], two of which are in the same column. I just don't think that many are necessary, but if you have a reason, I'd like to know. Thanks! :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:23, 19 February 2007 (EST)		Hey, WolvenSpectre. I was reading your [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Theories%3AItems&diff=36161&oldid=36109 edit summary], and I was having a hard time figuring out why you capitalized some of the links. If I understood you correctly, you capitalized ''The Map'' and ''The List'' because they are treated as proper nouns. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but ultimately, we're not really making any common nouns proper, with the exception of [[the Symbol]] and [[the Mark]]. I'm also not sure why you reinstated so many of the links. Granted, we don't have a rule for links per page or links per section, but we generally try to do one link per section. I'm counting 3 links to [[the list]], not including the section heading; there are also 3 links to [[AWI]], two of which are in the same column. I just don't think that many are necessary, but if you have a reason, I'd like to know. Thanks! :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:23, 19 February 2007 (EST)
			*Sorry for the long time in responding, rebuilding my computer from scratch after my PC crashed and took my OS with it. Let me tell you, using Linux to basically break into a NTFS formated drives to get at all my software and backup post mortem. take my advice BACK UP TONIGHT!<p>Since there is no other list, the name given to and commonly recognized is the proper name, as in proper noun (Also referred to as a proper pronoun). An example is 'Shindler's List'. If it refers to a particular list, not just a list that belonged to Shindler, but a recognized specific list. If it was just an unspecific list, then it would be 'Schindler's list'. Therefore 'The List' and 'The Map', which are titles given to the items by the show and the fans. At least that is my argumen... side of the debate. ;-)<p>The general rule I went by was one link per section of the table because some people who previously read it and are only reading the sections that change. That way they don't have to reread the rest to find the link. this follows the rules I was taught for making footnotes. Once in a page unless there is a diagram, graph, bulleted list, or columns.<p>I would like a generally agreed guideline on this.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 22:52, 23 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: Capitalizing and Links

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	:::::::::You can change how it looks in your [[Special:Preferences\|Preferences]] on the Misc tab, but it only changes how it looks. -[[User:Level\|Level]] 04:41, 10 February 2007 (EST)		:::::::::You can change how it looks in your [[Special:Preferences\|Preferences]] on the Misc tab, but it only changes how it looks. -[[User:Level\|Level]] 04:41, 10 February 2007 (EST)
	::::::::::Thanks Level, made change, but now it doesn't have any delineation. Its wonderful that it's not a dead link anymore, but as just black text it only shows on the special page which is visited less often. I wouldn't mind it still being red but not being a link is my problem. I know "Cry me a river." and my fathers favourite "Oh, you are so hard done by!". Still thanks, and I have put the wanted pages link on my tool bar with the home page and Help:editing pages.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 13:28, 10 February 2007 (EST)		::::::::::Thanks Level, made change, but now it doesn't have any delineation. Its wonderful that it's not a dead link anymore, but as just black text it only shows on the special page which is visited less often. I wouldn't mind it still being red but not being a link is my problem. I know "Cry me a river." and my fathers favourite "Oh, you are so hard done by!". Still thanks, and I have put the wanted pages link on my tool bar with the home page and Help:editing pages.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 13:28, 10 February 2007 (EST)

			== Capitalizing and Links ==

			Hey, WolvenSpectre. I was reading your [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Theories%3AItems&diff=36161&oldid=36109 edit summary], and I was having a hard time figuring out why you capitalized some of the links. If I understood you correctly, you capitalized ''The Map'' and ''The List'' because they are treated as proper nouns. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but ultimately, we're not really making any common nouns proper, with the exception of [[the Symbol]] and [[the Mark]]. I'm also not sure why you reinstated so many of the links. Granted, we don't have a rule for links per page or links per section, but we generally try to do one link per section. I'm counting 3 links to [[the list]], not including the section heading; there are also 3 links to [[AWI]], two of which are in the same column. I just don't think that many are necessary, but if you have a reason, I'd like to know. Thanks! :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:23, 19 February 2007 (EST)

imported>WolvenSpectre: /* CIA */

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CIA

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	::::::::I agree that it is good to have, and very neccesary, and now that i know it exists you'll probably see more red in my stuff, but its a klugey way of doing it. for every broken "X" add error message to a special page, but title it "wanted", count how many broken "X"'s there are, and remove when corrected. basically its a pretty "syntax error" with a stylesheet.<p> But I kept wondering, this has to keep track of wanted pages centrally somewhere.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 02:31, 10 February 2007 (EST)		::::::::I agree that it is good to have, and very neccesary, and now that i know it exists you'll probably see more red in my stuff, but its a klugey way of doing it. for every broken "X" add error message to a special page, but title it "wanted", count how many broken "X"'s there are, and remove when corrected. basically its a pretty "syntax error" with a stylesheet.<p> But I kept wondering, this has to keep track of wanted pages centrally somewhere.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 02:31, 10 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::::::You can change how it looks in your [[Special:Preferences\|Preferences]] on the Misc tab, but it only changes how it looks. -[[User:Level\|Level]] 04:41, 10 February 2007 (EST)		:::::::::You can change how it looks in your [[Special:Preferences\|Preferences]] on the Misc tab, but it only changes how it looks. -[[User:Level\|Level]] 04:41, 10 February 2007 (EST)
			::::::::::Thanks Level, made change, but now it doesn't have any delineation. Its wonderful that it's not a dead link anymore, but as just black text it only shows on the special page which is visited less often. I wouldn't mind it still being red but not being a link is my problem. I know "Cry me a river." and my fathers favourite "Oh, you are so hard done by!". Still thanks, and I have put the wanted pages link on my tool bar with the home page and Help:editing pages.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 13:28, 10 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Level: /* CIA */

2007-02-10T09:41:01Z

CIA

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	:::::::Of course, it ''is'' one of only two ways to create an article ... and for very good reason. The lack of an "add a new article" link used to annoy me, but the more I think about it, the better I like it. The red link approach ensures that each new article is either already linked to or that it has been searched for to prevent duplicates, each of which is useful in its own right.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:29, 10 February 2007 (EST)		:::::::Of course, it ''is'' one of only two ways to create an article ... and for very good reason. The lack of an "add a new article" link used to annoy me, but the more I think about it, the better I like it. The red link approach ensures that each new article is either already linked to or that it has been searched for to prevent duplicates, each of which is useful in its own right.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:29, 10 February 2007 (EST)
	::::::::I agree that it is good to have, and very neccesary, and now that i know it exists you'll probably see more red in my stuff, but its a klugey way of doing it. for every broken "X" add error message to a special page, but title it "wanted", count how many broken "X"'s there are, and remove when corrected. basically its a pretty "syntax error" with a stylesheet.<p> But I kept wondering, this has to keep track of wanted pages centrally somewhere.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 02:31, 10 February 2007 (EST)		::::::::I agree that it is good to have, and very neccesary, and now that i know it exists you'll probably see more red in my stuff, but its a klugey way of doing it. for every broken "X" add error message to a special page, but title it "wanted", count how many broken "X"'s there are, and remove when corrected. basically its a pretty "syntax error" with a stylesheet.<p> But I kept wondering, this has to keep track of wanted pages centrally somewhere.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 02:31, 10 February 2007 (EST)
			:::::::::You can change how it looks in your [[Special:Preferences\|Preferences]] on the Misc tab, but it only changes how it looks. -[[User:Level\|Level]] 04:41, 10 February 2007 (EST)

imported>WolvenSpectre: /* CIA */

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CIA

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	::::::No, I agree with you, it's not the best design. It ''is'' useful to click the link and start the page, but, well, only one person will do that, and then it's written. You're right, it would be interesting if it appeared as black linkless text, yet the name still showed up on the wantedpages list. Then when the article is created, the link would turn blue. But then again, I don't program the software. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:22, 10 February 2007 (EST)		::::::No, I agree with you, it's not the best design. It ''is'' useful to click the link and start the page, but, well, only one person will do that, and then it's written. You're right, it would be interesting if it appeared as black linkless text, yet the name still showed up on the wantedpages list. Then when the article is created, the link would turn blue. But then again, I don't program the software. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:22, 10 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::::Of course, it ''is'' one of only two ways to create an article ... and for very good reason. The lack of an "add a new article" link used to annoy me, but the more I think about it, the better I like it. The red link approach ensures that each new article is either already linked to or that it has been searched for to prevent duplicates, each of which is useful in its own right.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:29, 10 February 2007 (EST)		:::::::Of course, it ''is'' one of only two ways to create an article ... and for very good reason. The lack of an "add a new article" link used to annoy me, but the more I think about it, the better I like it. The red link approach ensures that each new article is either already linked to or that it has been searched for to prevent duplicates, each of which is useful in its own right.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:29, 10 February 2007 (EST)
			::::::::I agree that it is good to have, and very neccesary, and now that i know it exists you'll probably see more red in my stuff, but its a klugey way of doing it. for every broken "X" add error message to a special page, but title it "wanted", count how many broken "X"'s there are, and remove when corrected. basically its a pretty "syntax error" with a stylesheet.<p> But I kept wondering, this has to keep track of wanted pages centrally somewhere.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 02:31, 10 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Ryangibsonstewart: /* CIA */ cluttering poor WS's talk space with a clarification on my hypothetical and utterly useless thoughts for reprogramming

2007-02-10T06:40:01Z

CIA: cluttering poor WS's talk space with a clarification on my hypothetical and utterly useless thoughts for reprogramming

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	::::It's kind of a moot point now that the article is written...but it's not the Wikipedia content or the external link to CIA's website with which I had an issue. Both of those links are on the new CIA page, which is where they belong. It's just good practice to keep red links for articles that need to be written, for the reasons Hardvice stated above. Hope that helps. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:24, 9 February 2007 (EST)		::::It's kind of a moot point now that the article is written...but it's not the Wikipedia content or the external link to CIA's website with which I had an issue. Both of those links are on the new CIA page, which is where they belong. It's just good practice to keep red links for articles that need to be written, for the reasons Hardvice stated above. Hope that helps. :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:24, 9 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::OK, don't have to give Wikipedia first dibs on links or else. Got it. I didn't come out and say it, but I did not know about the red ink/Wantedpages thing, and in my opinion it could be done in a better way by the software designers than leaving dead links, like just giving it a tag that marks it as a wanted page and display it as something other than a link, which an be changed in all places during the page creation process. It has been years since I was a serious programmer and if I did something like that I would have never heard the end of it. Then again other people probably think its brilliant.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 01:15, 10 February 2007 (EST)		:::::OK, don't have to give Wikipedia first dibs on links or else. Got it. I didn't come out and say it, but I did not know about the red ink/Wantedpages thing, and in my opinion it could be done in a better way by the software designers than leaving dead links, like just giving it a tag that marks it as a wanted page and display it as something other than a link, which an be changed in all places during the page creation process. It has been years since I was a serious programmer and if I did something like that I would have never heard the end of it. Then again other people probably think its brilliant.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 01:15, 10 February 2007 (EST)
	::::::No, I agree with you, it's not the best design. It ''is'' useful to click the link and start the page, but, well, only one person will do that, and then it's written. You're right, it would be interesting if it appeared as black linkless text, yet the name still showed up on the wantedpages list. But then again, I don't program the software. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:22, 10 February 2007 (EST)		::::::No, I agree with you, it's not the best design. It ''is'' useful to click the link and start the page, but, well, only one person will do that, and then it's written. You're right, it would be interesting if it appeared as black linkless text, yet the name still showed up on the wantedpages list. Then when the article is created, the link would turn blue. But then again, I don't program the software. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:22, 10 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::::Of course, it ''is'' one of only two ways to create an article ... and for very good reason. The lack of an "add a new article" link used to annoy me, but the more I think about it, the better I like it. The red link approach ensures that each new article is either already linked to or that it has been searched for to prevent duplicates, each of which is useful in its own right.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:29, 10 February 2007 (EST)		:::::::Of course, it ''is'' one of only two ways to create an article ... and for very good reason. The lack of an "add a new article" link used to annoy me, but the more I think about it, the better I like it. The red link approach ensures that each new article is either already linked to or that it has been searched for to prevent duplicates, each of which is useful in its own right.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:29, 10 February 2007 (EST)

imported>Hardvice: close italic

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	:::::OK, don't have to give Wikipedia first dibs on links or else. Got it. I didn't come out and say it, but I did not know about the red ink/Wantedpages thing, and in my opinion it could be done in a better way by the software designers than leaving dead links, like just giving it a tag that marks it as a wanted page and display it as something other than a link, which an be changed in all places during the page creation process. It has been years since I was a serious programmer and if I did something like that I would have never heard the end of it. Then again other people probably think its brilliant.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 01:15, 10 February 2007 (EST)		:::::OK, don't have to give Wikipedia first dibs on links or else. Got it. I didn't come out and say it, but I did not know about the red ink/Wantedpages thing, and in my opinion it could be done in a better way by the software designers than leaving dead links, like just giving it a tag that marks it as a wanted page and display it as something other than a link, which an be changed in all places during the page creation process. It has been years since I was a serious programmer and if I did something like that I would have never heard the end of it. Then again other people probably think its brilliant.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 01:15, 10 February 2007 (EST)
	::::::No, I agree with you, it's not the best design. It ''is'' useful to click the link and start the page, but, well, only one person will do that, and then it's written. You're right, it would be interesting if it appeared as black linkless text, yet the name still showed up on the wantedpages list. But then again, I don't program the software. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:22, 10 February 2007 (EST)		::::::No, I agree with you, it's not the best design. It ''is'' useful to click the link and start the page, but, well, only one person will do that, and then it's written. You're right, it would be interesting if it appeared as black linkless text, yet the name still showed up on the wantedpages list. But then again, I don't program the software. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:22, 10 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::::Of course, it ''is' one of only two ways to create an article ... and for very good reason. The lack of an "add a new article" link used to annoy me, but the more I think about it, the better I like it. The red link approach ensures that each new article is either already linked to or that it has been searched for to prevent duplicates, each of which is useful in its own right.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:29, 10 February 2007 (EST)		:::::::Of course, it ''is'' one of only two ways to create an article ... and for very good reason. The lack of an "add a new article" link used to annoy me, but the more I think about it, the better I like it. The red link approach ensures that each new article is either already linked to or that it has been searched for to prevent duplicates, each of which is useful in its own right.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:29, 10 February 2007 (EST)

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	*Sorry for the long time in responding, rebuilding my computer from scratch after my PC crashed and took my OS with it. Let me tell you, using Linux to basically break into a NTFS formated drives to get at all my software and backup post mortem. take my advice BACK UP TONIGHT!<p>Since there is no other list, the name given to and commonly recognized is the proper name, as in proper noun (Also referred to as a proper pronoun). An example is 'Shindler's List'. If it refers to a particular list, not just a list that belonged to Shindler, but a recognized specific list. If it was just an unspecific list, then it would be 'Schindler's list'. Therefore 'The List' and 'The Map', which are titles given to the items by the show and the fans. At least that is my argumen... side of the debate. ;-)<p>The general rule I went by was one link per section of the table because some people who previously read it and are only reading the sections that change. That way they don't have to reread the rest to find the link. this follows the rules I was taught for making footnotes. Once in a page unless there is a diagram, graph, bulleted list, or columns.<p>I would like a generally agreed guideline on this.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 22:52, 23 February 2007 (EST)		*Sorry for the long time in responding, rebuilding my computer from scratch after my PC crashed and took my OS with it. Let me tell you, using Linux to basically break into a NTFS formated drives to get at all my software and backup post mortem. take my advice BACK UP TONIGHT!<p>Since there is no other list, the name given to and commonly recognized is the proper name, as in proper noun (Also referred to as a proper pronoun). An example is 'Shindler's List'. If it refers to a particular list, not just a list that belonged to Shindler, but a recognized specific list. If it was just an unspecific list, then it would be 'Schindler's list'. Therefore 'The List' and 'The Map', which are titles given to the items by the show and the fans. At least that is my argumen... side of the debate. ;-)<p>The general rule I went by was one link per section of the table because some people who previously read it and are only reading the sections that change. That way they don't have to reread the rest to find the link. this follows the rules I was taught for making footnotes. Once in a page unless there is a diagram, graph, bulleted list, or columns.<p>I would like a generally agreed guideline on this.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 22:52, 23 February 2007 (EST)
	**We did, for awhile, capitalize lots of the nouns. That's been changed, but you can see relics of it in some of the redirects. In general, we keep "list" lowercase (same with "map"). The only ones we capitalize are "Symbol" and "Mark", unless referenced in the indefinite ("Isaac has a [[mark]] on his neck", "Matt stares at a [[symbol]] in the pool"). As for links, it's generally agreed that one link per section is necessary. I think I was curious about the edit you made that included more than one link per section. But it's kind of a moot issue now, isn't it? :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 23:04, 23 February 2007 (EST)		**We did, for awhile, capitalize lots of the nouns. That's been changed, but you can see relics of it in some of the redirects. In general, we keep "list" lowercase (same with "map"). The only ones we capitalize are "Symbol" and "Mark", unless referenced in the indefinite ("Isaac has a [[mark]] on his neck", "Matt stares at a [[symbol]] in the pool"). As for links, it's generally agreed that one link per section is necessary. I think I was curious about the edit you made that included more than one link per section. But it's kind of a moot issue now, isn't it? :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 23:04, 23 February 2007 (EST)
			***I just wanted a clarification why you don't capitalize and explain why I did. As for the multiple links, that was an accident and I wanted to state why I was doing links in each section because I was thinking that that would be a possible guideline.<p>I originally was posting this on Sunday when my PC had a major nervous breakdown and it took me 2 days just to get it to boot let alone set up, install, update, and the other stuff that entails. I only made a couple of posts when I visited friends and used their computers. I forgot about this post not going through.<p>For that article it is moot, I just wanted to clear this up and respond to your post.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 00:19, 24 February 2007 (EST)

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	Hey, WolvenSpectre. I was reading your [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Theories%3AItems&diff=36161&oldid=36109 edit summary], and I was having a hard time figuring out why you capitalized some of the links. If I understood you correctly, you capitalized ''The Map'' and ''The List'' because they are treated as proper nouns. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but ultimately, we're not really making any common nouns proper, with the exception of [[the Symbol]] and [[the Mark]]. I'm also not sure why you reinstated so many of the links. Granted, we don't have a rule for links per page or links per section, but we generally try to do one link per section. I'm counting 3 links to [[the list]], not including the section heading; there are also 3 links to [[AWI]], two of which are in the same column. I just don't think that many are necessary, but if you have a reason, I'd like to know. Thanks! :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:23, 19 February 2007 (EST)		Hey, WolvenSpectre. I was reading your [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Theories%3AItems&diff=36161&oldid=36109 edit summary], and I was having a hard time figuring out why you capitalized some of the links. If I understood you correctly, you capitalized ''The Map'' and ''The List'' because they are treated as proper nouns. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but ultimately, we're not really making any common nouns proper, with the exception of [[the Symbol]] and [[the Mark]]. I'm also not sure why you reinstated so many of the links. Granted, we don't have a rule for links per page or links per section, but we generally try to do one link per section. I'm counting 3 links to [[the list]], not including the section heading; there are also 3 links to [[AWI]], two of which are in the same column. I just don't think that many are necessary, but if you have a reason, I'd like to know. Thanks! :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:23, 19 February 2007 (EST)
	*Sorry for the long time in responding, rebuilding my computer from scratch after my PC crashed and took my OS with it. Let me tell you, using Linux to basically break into a NTFS formated drives to get at all my software and backup post mortem. take my advice BACK UP TONIGHT!<p>Since there is no other list, the name given to and commonly recognized is the proper name, as in proper noun (Also referred to as a proper pronoun). An example is 'Shindler's List'. If it refers to a particular list, not just a list that belonged to Shindler, but a recognized specific list. If it was just an unspecific list, then it would be 'Schindler's list'. Therefore 'The List' and 'The Map', which are titles given to the items by the show and the fans. At least that is my argumen... side of the debate. ;-)<p>The general rule I went by was one link per section of the table because some people who previously read it and are only reading the sections that change. That way they don't have to reread the rest to find the link. this follows the rules I was taught for making footnotes. Once in a page unless there is a diagram, graph, bulleted list, or columns.<p>I would like a generally agreed guideline on this.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 22:52, 23 February 2007 (EST)		*Sorry for the long time in responding, rebuilding my computer from scratch after my PC crashed and took my OS with it. Let me tell you, using Linux to basically break into a NTFS formated drives to get at all my software and backup post mortem. take my advice BACK UP TONIGHT!<p>Since there is no other list, the name given to and commonly recognized is the proper name, as in proper noun (Also referred to as a proper pronoun). An example is 'Shindler's List'. If it refers to a particular list, not just a list that belonged to Shindler, but a recognized specific list. If it was just an unspecific list, then it would be 'Schindler's list'. Therefore 'The List' and 'The Map', which are titles given to the items by the show and the fans. At least that is my argumen... side of the debate. ;-)<p>The general rule I went by was one link per section of the table because some people who previously read it and are only reading the sections that change. That way they don't have to reread the rest to find the link. this follows the rules I was taught for making footnotes. Once in a page unless there is a diagram, graph, bulleted list, or columns.<p>I would like a generally agreed guideline on this.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 22:52, 23 February 2007 (EST)
			**We did, for awhile, capitalize lots of the nouns. That's been changed, but you can see relics of it in some of the redirects. In general, we keep "list" lowercase (same with "map"). The only ones we capitalize are "Symbol" and "Mark", unless referenced in the indefinite ("Isaac has a [[mark]] on his neck", "Matt stares at a [[symbol]] in the pool"). As for links, it's generally agreed that one link per section is necessary. I think I was curious about the edit you made that included more than one link per section. But it's kind of a moot issue now, isn't it? :) — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 23:04, 23 February 2007 (EST)

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	::::::::I agree that it is good to have, and very neccesary, and now that i know it exists you'll probably see more red in my stuff, but its a klugey way of doing it. for every broken "X" add error message to a special page, but title it "wanted", count how many broken "X"'s there are, and remove when corrected. basically its a pretty "syntax error" with a stylesheet.<p> But I kept wondering, this has to keep track of wanted pages centrally somewhere.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 02:31, 10 February 2007 (EST)		::::::::I agree that it is good to have, and very neccesary, and now that i know it exists you'll probably see more red in my stuff, but its a klugey way of doing it. for every broken "X" add error message to a special page, but title it "wanted", count how many broken "X"'s there are, and remove when corrected. basically its a pretty "syntax error" with a stylesheet.<p> But I kept wondering, this has to keep track of wanted pages centrally somewhere.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 02:31, 10 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::::::You can change how it looks in your [[Special:Preferences\|Preferences]] on the Misc tab, but it only changes how it looks. -[[User:Level\|Level]] 04:41, 10 February 2007 (EST)		:::::::::You can change how it looks in your [[Special:Preferences\|Preferences]] on the Misc tab, but it only changes how it looks. -[[User:Level\|Level]] 04:41, 10 February 2007 (EST)
			::::::::::Thanks Level, made change, but now it doesn't have any delineation. Its wonderful that it's not a dead link anymore, but as just black text it only shows on the special page which is visited less often. I wouldn't mind it still being red but not being a link is my problem. I know "Cry me a river." and my fathers favourite "Oh, you are so hard done by!". Still thanks, and I have put the wanted pages link on my tool bar with the home page and Help:editing pages.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 13:28, 10 February 2007 (EST)

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	:::::::Of course, it ''is'' one of only two ways to create an article ... and for very good reason. The lack of an "add a new article" link used to annoy me, but the more I think about it, the better I like it. The red link approach ensures that each new article is either already linked to or that it has been searched for to prevent duplicates, each of which is useful in its own right.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:29, 10 February 2007 (EST)		:::::::Of course, it ''is'' one of only two ways to create an article ... and for very good reason. The lack of an "add a new article" link used to annoy me, but the more I think about it, the better I like it. The red link approach ensures that each new article is either already linked to or that it has been searched for to prevent duplicates, each of which is useful in its own right.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:29, 10 February 2007 (EST)
	::::::::I agree that it is good to have, and very neccesary, and now that i know it exists you'll probably see more red in my stuff, but its a klugey way of doing it. for every broken "X" add error message to a special page, but title it "wanted", count how many broken "X"'s there are, and remove when corrected. basically its a pretty "syntax error" with a stylesheet.<p> But I kept wondering, this has to keep track of wanted pages centrally somewhere.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 02:31, 10 February 2007 (EST)		::::::::I agree that it is good to have, and very neccesary, and now that i know it exists you'll probably see more red in my stuff, but its a klugey way of doing it. for every broken "X" add error message to a special page, but title it "wanted", count how many broken "X"'s there are, and remove when corrected. basically its a pretty "syntax error" with a stylesheet.<p> But I kept wondering, this has to keep track of wanted pages centrally somewhere.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 02:31, 10 February 2007 (EST)
			:::::::::You can change how it looks in your [[Special:Preferences\|Preferences]] on the Misc tab, but it only changes how it looks. -[[User:Level\|Level]] 04:41, 10 February 2007 (EST)

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	::::::No, I agree with you, it's not the best design. It ''is'' useful to click the link and start the page, but, well, only one person will do that, and then it's written. You're right, it would be interesting if it appeared as black linkless text, yet the name still showed up on the wantedpages list. Then when the article is created, the link would turn blue. But then again, I don't program the software. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:22, 10 February 2007 (EST)		::::::No, I agree with you, it's not the best design. It ''is'' useful to click the link and start the page, but, well, only one person will do that, and then it's written. You're right, it would be interesting if it appeared as black linkless text, yet the name still showed up on the wantedpages list. Then when the article is created, the link would turn blue. But then again, I don't program the software. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart\|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 01:22, 10 February 2007 (EST)
	:::::::Of course, it ''is'' one of only two ways to create an article ... and for very good reason. The lack of an "add a new article" link used to annoy me, but the more I think about it, the better I like it. The red link approach ensures that each new article is either already linked to or that it has been searched for to prevent duplicates, each of which is useful in its own right.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:29, 10 February 2007 (EST)		:::::::Of course, it ''is'' one of only two ways to create an article ... and for very good reason. The lack of an "add a new article" link used to annoy me, but the more I think about it, the better I like it. The red link approach ensures that each new article is either already linked to or that it has been searched for to prevent duplicates, each of which is useful in its own right.--[[User:Hardvice\|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice\|(talk)]]</small> 01:29, 10 February 2007 (EST)
			::::::::I agree that it is good to have, and very neccesary, and now that i know it exists you'll probably see more red in my stuff, but its a klugey way of doing it. for every broken "X" add error message to a special page, but title it "wanted", count how many broken "X"'s there are, and remove when corrected. basically its a pretty "syntax error" with a stylesheet.<p> But I kept wondering, this has to keep track of wanted pages centrally somewhere.--[[User:WolvenSpectre\|WolvenSpectre]] 02:31, 10 February 2007 (EST)