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==Lightning?== |
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Is the only reason why people aren't calling it lightning, is because it's red? Because it looks self-explanatory to me. What else could it be? It looks EXACTLY like Elle's power only it's red and not blue white. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 10:14, 25 September 2008 (EDT) |
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* I agree, Ando's ability IS lightning. If we can say that Meredith and Flint both have pryokinesis, even though her's is natural colored and his is blue, then we should put Ando's ability under lightning. - [[User:FlyingMan|FlyingMan]] 12:39, 25 September 2008 (EDT) |
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* We haven't got any information about this power. We can't be sure that it is "Lightning", so, I thin that "Ando's ability" is better. - [[User:Henryp|Henryp]] 19:34, 25 September 2008 (EDT) |
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** There's really nothing that distinguishes Ando's power from lightning except color, and that's hardly a huge distinction. Unless we learn that his power has some more distinctive properties, I don't see why this requires its own page. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 13:50, 25 September 2008 (EDT) |
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***We're not going to call it "Lightning" yet because there's no definitive evidence that it is the same or even related to that ability. Flint's Pyrokinesis is labeled Pyrokinesis based on his assignment tracker and because it is distinctly similar to Meredith's example of the ability. Ando's ability may not be electricity-based or it may function entirely differently from Lightning. Plus, if people search for Ando's ability to look for new info on it, it'll bring them here, where all the definitive info we have on the power is.--[[User:Paronine|Paronine]] 13:54, 25 September 2008 (EDT) |
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**** It did look like lightning to me, but it could also have been some other kind of energy blast, so I'm fine with waiting a little longer to see if we get any more clues to the name.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 14:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT) |
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***** I agree that it's Lightning, just colored differently. But there's really no evidence of that within the show. Our evidence for Flint having differently colored Pyrokinesis is that his AT says he has it and his power has thus far been very similar to Meredith's. Not so with Ando's ability. When some evidence appears canonically showing the two abilities to be related, then I'm sure we'll all be more than happy to move this on over to the Lightning page.--[[User:Paronine|Paronine]] 14:27, 25 September 2008 (EDT) |
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****** I believe it's Lighting because of the way it is coming out of his hand and because of the noise it makes. It sound like the noise Elle's does as seen on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wuVbvoLBj4 |
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******* It is in fact lightning, a different kind, from Elle's lightning, but it is lightning, and it should be renamed to that (maybe in a seperate section, from Elle's ability) until we know exactly what it is. It's not like [[Mohinder's ability]], which we have no idea what's going on to him - I was gonna suggest Enhanced Senses, but when his skin started to peel off I had no idea what to name it with, except "Mohinder's ability", it's not like Ando's (ability which we know a little bit of what's going on). |
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******** Apart from the "crackling" seen on Hiro's body upon use of the ability, Ando's power almost looks like more of a "laser" than Elle's lightning power. That being said, I imagine we'll soon have an official reference for calling Ando's power a form of lightning, similar to the Blue Pyrokinesis with Flint. [[User:GabrielPatrelli|GabrielPatrelli]] 16:13, 29 September 2008 (EDT) |
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==Name change== |
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*Shouldn't this be called [[Future Ando's ability]]? --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 14:57, 1 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** Probably a good idea. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:11, 1 October 2008 (EDT) |
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==It's lightning.== |
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[http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b32560_heroes_are_hiro_ando_going_bad.html] --[[User:Pyramidhead|Pyramidhead]] 18:29, 8 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*Amen.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 20:19, 8 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**A definite end to a debate that never should have happened in the first place... <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 20:33, 8 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*** Unfortunately, no. Commentary from the actors isn't considered reliable. Zachary Quinto once commented that he thought Sylar ate the brains to acquire their powers. The confirmation needs to come from the show or the writers. I'd recommend submitting it to CBR as something like, "Is the ability Future Ando uses to attack Future Hiro lightning or some other type of energy blast?" ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 20:48, 8 October 2008 (EDT)) |
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**** I agree with Admin. Also, imho, this is in the same boat as the Terrorist's ability from the latest graphic novel. Neither should be deleted, but we don't know enough about either to identify them.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:13, 8 October 2008 (EDT) |
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***** Amen to Admin and Miami Volts, people cant argue that "just because there is a color difference doesn't mean that its a different ability", Flint and Meredith have Pyrokinesis and the color of the fire does not matter, blue fire is simply hotter than red fire... Blue-white lightning is lightning... no matter the circumstances, i have never seen red lightning and you'll have to convince me more that red lightning is also something to do with voltage and current.--[[User:Pbmarcano|Pbmarcano]] 11:34, 11 October 2008 (EDT) |
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****** I am sorry, but red lightning [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning#Elves does exist]. Well, it's not like a thunderbolt, but it's still an electrical discharge. Also, if you alter the colors of Ando's beam to blue using an image editor program, it certainly looks like Elle's lightning.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 12:51, 11 October 2008 (EDT) |
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****** [http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/46442/ Here's another (better?) photo] of real-life red lightning. According to the photographer, the color was caused by a reaction with pollutants.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 12:53, 11 October 2008 (EDT) |
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****** Did it ever occur to anyone that the color differences could simply just be for aesthetics? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:33, 12 October 2008 (EDT) |
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****** And for everyone saying that red lightning doesn't exist... for goodness' sakes, this is '''''Heroes''''' we're talking about... <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:41, 12 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*You could always [[Interview talk:Visual effects|ask]] ;).--[[User:Skywalkerrbf|Skywalkerrbf]] 12:58, 11 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** Unfortunately, it would really have to be a writer or producer to answer this question.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 13:08, 11 October 2008 (EDT) |
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***MV, every source of light in that photo has red tints to it, it could easily have been gradient mapped in photoshop or shotten through an altered lens or glass. (I practically alter images for a living) I'm not doubting red lightning exists at all im just doubting that Ando's ability is really lightning, plus we dont nearly have enough information to jump to the conclusion that its lightning. Based on just looks?! I mean for all we know its a beam that turns people's organs inside out! Don't judge a book by its cover my friends. I say just leave it until we get more information. (and if Hiro goes into explination telling Ando how his future self killed future hiro, i dont think that counts cause he knows as much as we do)--[[User:Pbmarcano|Pbmarcano]] 11:51, 12 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**** Would we have made a page for "Flint's ability" had Noah never shown Claire his assignment tracker page then? I mean, yeah, it looks totally like fire but we shouldn't base ability names on just looks... Besides, how does [http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Future_dead_hiro.jpg this] NOT look like electricity? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:39, 12 October 2008 (EDT) |
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****Pbmarcano, I'm still not convinced we know for sure it is red lightning (though that's what it looks like to me), as I mentioned in my topmost comments. With my latter comment, I just wanted to rebuke those who were claiming there was no possibility it was red lightning.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:48, 12 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*****We still don't know *for sure* that it kills Hiro --''[[User:Matchu|Matchu]]'' 20:27, 12 October 2008 (EDT) |
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******Consensus? --[[User:Pbmarcano|Pbmarcano]] 23:18, 12 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*******The naming convention is: "If no non-speculative description is possible", then use the person's name. I think a consensus doesn't do anything because it's still speculation. We have no description from a canon or near-canon source, so everything else is mere speculation. As for the Masi Oka interview, as much as I honor Masi's intelligence, he's not a writer for the show. His description of an ability may not coincide with the writing/creative staff of the show. Plus, it's an interview with E!, so he's pandering to <s>idiots</s> potentially less-knowledgeable readers. --{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 23:35, 12 October 2008 (EDT) |
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********Personally I think it's speculation to think it's not lightning. The fact it looks like lightning beyond the fact it's red should be enough to call it lightning. I don't know where it doesn't look like lightning comes from. Ignoring the color for a moment, how is it unlike lightning? I hope I asked that right. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 01:45, 16 October 2008 (EDT) |
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* Personally, I don't see why we're using "6. Possessor's name" when Masi Oka's interview should count as "3. Secondary Sources - Interviews." Sure, it's not a writer being interviewed, but I don't see why we don't use the interview with Masi Oka until we receive more information on it. [[User:TheEvilNoob|TheEvilNoob]] 15:30, 18 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** Agreed. Surely Masi's comments would come under "Interview" being that they were said...during an interview. - [[User:Goldenboy|Goldenboy]] 11:09, 23 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*I think its electricity, but there are a few abilities involving electricity, or maybe this is a completely new one.--[[User:Dandabest|Dandabest]] ([[User talk:Dandabest|talk]]) 12:56, 27 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== There is no info on Ando's ability! == |
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We don't even know if it killed Hiro. For all we know it could some kind of coma-inducing ray. I say that people should hold off on the debates until there's a canonical reason to call it lightning or otherwise. I haven't been on this site for that long and I've already figured out how the naming system here works; if it's canon, they name it so, if it's not, it remains debatable. Seeing as the lightning debate is so large why not just wait and see??? - [[User:FlamingTomDude|FlamingTomDude]] 12:46, October 8th 2008 (EDT) |
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==Energy Blast== |
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Seems a pretty good name to me. wanna change? --[[User:Manwithnoname|Manwithnoname]] 17:27, 2 November 2008 (EST) |
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:Too speculative right now. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:30, 2 November 2008 (EST) |
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==So not even the writers?== |
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I know it could construed they were being sarcastic but the writer(s) did call it Red Lightning in the most recent CBR Interview--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 00:53, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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*Winner is Dman. Lightning is now canon. =]--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 01:34, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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**We'll probably never even see this ability again, but I'm sure they were going for electricity and just made it red to be different. There's no point having a page "Future Ando's ability". I say we add to the Lightning page, that in a possible future Ando had an ability like this, but red. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 03:29, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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== Time to combine articles. == |
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[http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18765 Red Lightning]. Anyone opposed?--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 12:38, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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:No. To quote Sylar... "I've been waiting a long time for this." <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 12:39, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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*I just think we should be consistent, regardless of color. If we have one [[Pyrokinesis]] article, (whether orange/Meredith or blue/Flint), we should be consistent with [[Lightning]] regardless of the color. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 11/11/2008 12:53 (EST)</small> |
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**I don't think Riddler was suggesting we create a page for Red lightning. I think he was just quoting the interview. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 12:55, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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** I'm opposed. First, Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite seem like they are joking, as is their ''m.o.'' They also talk about "Earthquake guy" right before. They never say that that's the name of Ando's power, or that it's a power at all. They say (again, probably jokingly) that that's the connection between everyone having powers and the world ending. If we knew that F_Ando's power was lightning, I would have no problem combining the articles. But until then, I don't think we should. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:57, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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*** See I knew someone would think the writers were joking. But I should point out that they were joking about the power that caused the earth to be destroyed. And how it wasn't earthquake guy but red lightning. I mean I don't see why they would be joking in the powers name, unless it was to mock people who thought it was "red" lightning. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 13:24, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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**** The way I read it, was that they were joking about both, but explicitly naming the latter in the process. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 13:30, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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**** I agree. We now have two sources close to the show calling it red lightning (Masi and Aron/Joe). And while Aron and Joe may not have been said it directly, they were obviously referring to FAndo's ability. At this point it seems pretty obvious that this power is indeed lightning. [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 13:55, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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** You gotta understand that when they create powers, they don't have a name for them. They just say, "make it look like lightning, oh and red!". They don't think, 'is that even possible' - this is Heroes! Look at Angela's ability. They confirmed that her's was the ability Peter used to see Charles in the past! She kinda of has 2 abilities. So yes I'm sure they were going for lightning whether or not they were joking there. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 18:51, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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* There is too much evidence that supports Red Lighting than something else. I think we should change it and if we get a name or someone else using the power and it being something other than red lighting we can change it then. |
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** I agree. Is there an admin around? Can we change this article? Please... [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 21:16, 12 November 2008 (EST) |
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*** Are we going to make a different page for that power or are we going to consider it lightning? Red lightning is rare, but it is occurs naturally. Putting things at [[Lightning]] or creating a new power page? I think the info should be put in Lightning. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 08:28, 13 November 2008 (EST) |
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