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{{power names|1|eos=Matt says that Ando can supercharge the powers of others, and Hiro calls Ando a "super-charger" {{epp|313}}, {{epp|314}}}} |
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==Delete Sections== |
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Since most of these sections are useless now that we have a name for the ability, shouldn't they be deleted? It's just junk now (And once we delete them, I'll delete this section.).--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 12:46, 11 June 2009 (EDT) |
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*Talk page sections are never to be deleted, only archived. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:07, 11 June 2009 (EDT) |
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== The Source of All Evil... kidding, but: == |
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Why do people think Ando can give abilities? All he does is making them more powerful. -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 08:46, 15 June 2009 (EDT) |
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== Avada Kedavra == |
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Albeit red. -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 04:00, 16 July 2009 (EDT) |
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**Matt and Daphne survived it. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:25, 16 July 2009 (EDT) |
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*** Yep, I meant that big red lightning thing. <s>Besides, Harry Potter survived it too. Twice.</s> -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 01:34, 17 July 2009 (EDT) |
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== short circuit == |
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is it possible that when [[ando]] attacked the gaurds at [[Matt Parkman]]'s house that he literaly overcharged their systems and short circuited them? [[he:Ando|Ando]] demonstrated a similar thing on a tazer in [[Episode:I Am Sylar|I Am Sylar]]. anyway if this is the case than I suggest a name change to simply supercharging which covers all aspects of his ability instead of just his power to charge abilities. --[[user:Tsmarg|Tsmarg]] |
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* How about melons in ''[[Baby Power]]''? He smashed them, and I doubt there are any systems within melons. -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 12:51, 16 July 2009 (EDT) |
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**well what I mean by short circuit is that he somehow generated a blast, electric or other, that was strong enough to short circuit a taser or even a human. I would guess that the blast also has a concussive force as shown: when he blasts the guard, the guard is sent flying backwards. the concussive blast could also probably explode a melon. --[[user:Tsmarg|Tsmarg]] |
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== Ability supercharging is canon... == |
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...but can I ask which episode it was stated in. I'd like to see it named by someone. Thanks if you reply. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 08:43, 2 September 2009 (EDT) |
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* Matt says in [[Dual]], "Your ability is like a supercharger". This is where the name comes from. {{User:Altes/Signature}} |
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== Comes from Star Wars? == |
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You see, in ''Star Wars: Jedi Knight'' video game there's a Force power which allows to drain Force energy from opponents, and it looks like red lightning. On the contrary, Ando can strengthen others. Coincidence? {{User:Altes/Signature}} |
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==It's been called Red Lightning several times now== |
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Just sayin'... --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 23:04, 28 September 2009 (EDT) |
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== Although we're not calling it lightning... == |
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... should we not put:'' '''Ability supercharging''' (also referred to a '''red lightning''') '', like it does on the [[Electric manipulation]] page. Ando has called it that more than once. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 12:58, 27 October 2009 (EDT) |
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:Fine by me. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:46, 27 October 2009 (EDT) |
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== Ability Forgotten? == |
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Is it just me or are they just forgetting about andos abilty to supercharge? It seems to me the the writers wittled down his ability to just the red lightning part |
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--[[User:Lama098890|Lama098890]] 01:23, 10 November 2009 (EST) |
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* There is a rumor that the cause of the Earth splitting in two is Ando using his ability on Samuel. -{{user:barbedknives/sig}}01:30, 10 November 2009 (EST) |
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== Ando's Blast == |
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Anybody else think '''Kamehameha''' when they see that??? I did in tonight's episode and I've only ever seen Dragonball Evolution and a few episodes of the Sayian Saga!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't help it. It looks like the Kamehameha.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 23:32, 11 January 2010 (EST) |
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*Yeah, thats what I thought when I first saw it in Season 3.--[[User:Ratclaws|Ratclaws]] 09:24, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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**HADOUKEN! --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 16:13, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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==Augmentative Energy Projection== |
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Ando can clearly use his ability on objects(Close to You), not just to augment people' abilities. He can also projects a red "energy" with this ability. What does anyone this about this?--[[User:Realistic|Realistic]] |
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*I like this name. Ability supercharging doesn't cover everything he can do.--[[User:Ratclaws|Ratclaws]] 09:33, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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**We've always known he could project red energy, that's the first thing we saw him do in the future, only later we learned that every was used to enhance abilities. And we still didn't change the name of this ability. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:42, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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==Charging== |
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I think charging could be an okay name for this ability. He "charges" abilities, "charged" Hiro's brain and that electronic device, and he "charges" red energyblasts. It seems to cover everything he does, and it isn't overly complicated. |
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First time poster here, be gentle :) |
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:I see no reason to rename, but if we had to rename it, I wouldn't oppose this name. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 11:19, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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::This doesn't really cover his energy blasts. I think the Augmentive Energy thing is better.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 12:19, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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:::It does if you consider that Ando is releasing charged-up energy. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:30, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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::::I can see what he means though. You wouldn't think someone who has Ability supercharging could open up doors and screw with electronics. Here's an idea. Why don't we split the article with Ando having one ability and Hawking having another. We would call Hawking's ability Ability augmentation and Ando Supercharging, or whatever is appropriate of a name, because they do seem like very different abilities to me. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 13:08, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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::::: Splitting yes, but Supercharging isn't a good name for Ando's. They're abilities ''are'' different, but Supercharging just doesn't fit Ando's anymore.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 14:18, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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:::: Good idea for the name! Works much better :) --{{User:Leckie/Signature 10}} 14:45, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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::::::If Supercharging doesn't work then we could just call it "Red lighting". I know, lame, but it's often used in the show, and that's how visitors would search for his ability. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 14:55, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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::::::: Dumb idea. Red lightning describes this even ''worse'' than supercharging as that's not ''all'' it does. It encompases too little of his ability. |
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::::Supercharging actually does fit his ability pretty well. He's been called a "supercharger" on the show numerous times, his ability does supercharge others' abilities, and he appears to supercharge the energy around his hands to create "red lightning". (Note how even when passed out, he still "sparkles" a bit.) --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 15:03, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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:::::Very good point. How do you feel about a split though? It seems to me that they have very different abilities and when they amplify others' abilities it's done very differently as well. Their abilities were even given a different name. Hawking's ability was called Ability augmentation by Sean Fallon, who was an employee of the Company at the time. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 15:53, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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::::::Actually, I wouldn't oppose a split. Paulette's ability augmentation seemed a lot less drastic and sudden than Ando's supercharging. On top of that, Paulette didn't do anything other than augmenting others' abilities. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 03:52, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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:We have often said that characters who are "experts" on abilities on the show are more likely to name the abilities, as other characters are more likely to just make offhand remarks about them. Well Mohinder clearly calls Ando's ability Red Lightning without being prompted to do so by another character, and Mohinder is one of our few experts. --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 16:17, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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::I would be fine either way. How do you feel about a split though?--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 16:23, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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:::I think that Mohinder only ''saw'' it as Red Lightning. I think the only time he saw it was when Ando Kamhameha'd that door so he probably ''thought'' it was some kind of lightning ability.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 16:25, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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I completely agree about splitting the article. I've thought they should be split since the beginning, but now with all these extra things we've seen Ando do, I feel we have enough evidence to seperate the articles. --[[User:Nax|Nax]] 03:12, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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== Ando's blasting ability == |
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I think I get how he does that: he charges the energy he would use to supercharge someone into a blast of energy that he can fire. He's probably able to stun and kill if he wishes by it: so far he's displayed stunning, but if he charged enough energy into it, he could probably kill: ''that's'' probably how he killed Future Hiro.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 14:38, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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*I see what you mean and yes I agree. I've always thought of ando's ability as "pure energy" that looks like electrical energy, and putting this pure energyinto electrical systems knocks them out (like in close to you) and into people would either charge their abilities or overcharge their heart (or given tonight's episode with hiro, their brain) which would kill them. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 17:21, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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**I think its more of some kind of energy manipulation power than a supercharging one. Ando can manipulate the energy from his power to give someone a power boost, or manipulate it like he has been for shorting out systems or shooting energy blasts.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 17:43, 12 January 2010 (EST) |
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***I think this is more of a 'Jack-of-all-Trades' Power, in that it didn't appear to short-circuit the door in Close To You, but rather 'Data-Linked' it to enter the correct code. For the security door when they are fleeing, clearly he just fried it. But what he did to Hiro, I don't believe was just 'shocking' him, as there were no electricity burns on Hiro's head, he desired to restore Hiro's mind and used his Power to do that. I think he could do SO much more with his Power, if only he experimented and tried different things. It appears, to me, that the 'Red Lightning' is just a pure form of energy that he can manipulate to do whatever he desires (within reason). [[User:PowerSink|PowerSink]] 03:15, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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****So basically what we're saying is that his ability is pure energy that he can blast and manipulate at different levels of strength, depending on what he wants it to do; supercharge an ability, kill someone, short circuit an electrical system, and more. Cool. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 04:11, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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*****Umm, basically. Haha. Had a few glasses of wine last night, which makes me ramble on a bit ;) [[User:PowerSink|PowerSink]] 17:01, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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* Am I the only one still not convinced hiro died in that future? We only saw him attack him -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 04:15, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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**although we can't be 100% sure, they were on opposing teams, ando looked really angry with hiro, not to mention hiro drew his sword incinuating a fight to the death since that's all his sword would be able to do, kill ando. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 04:20, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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*** True but he drew his sword in the past to peter to and din't planned on killin him -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 04:24, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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****As far as we know. He ran at peter going to kill him and only teleported to avoit peter's lightning. Then he held the sword to peter's neck. True I don't think that he was intent on killing peter there, but remember, four years in the future, hiro could have changed a lot. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 04:33, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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***** Your Right, to bad they don't show that future in a episode -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 04:38, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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==Split (Not talking renaming yet!)== |
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This should be split. [[Trevor's ability]] and [[Tom's ability]] have more similarities than this, and those two have separate pages. --[[User:NuparuMahnika|<font color="Chocolate">'''''NuparuMah'''''</font>]][[User Talk:NuparuMahnika|<font color="Chocolate"><u>'''nika'''</u></font>]] 08:57, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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* Agree. "Ability supercharging" is not an explicit name (no one said "your ability is called <this>"), so a change is viable. From the recent episodes, it appears that his power is more to generate a blast of energy that can supercharge things: he can amplify abilities, activate electronic devices, jump-start memories, and harm people and destroy objects by overcharging them. So, I think we should drop the "ability" and name this only "supercharging", splitting it from Paullette, who only show to be capable of augmenting abilities.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 09:05, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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** It should be split, but with a name more suited to Ando's ability like Energy Manipulation. That's what he does now: manipulates energy. He can use it supercharge other's powers, form energy blasts, overload locks and blast open doors. He manipulates energy in different ways.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 12:33, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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*** The problem is we would have to call it Supercharging, because other characters in the show has referred to both him and his ability with "supercharging" and "supercharger". There's really no other option unless you wanted to call is Red Lighting. HOWEVER, let's not debate about the name until the split is complete. Otherwise we'll dance around the debate and never amount to anything. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 13:15, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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**** I support a split and agree we should avoid name debates until said split is complete. [[User:PowerSink|PowerSink]] 17:02, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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*I added a split nomination on the article. If we do decide to split, Paulette's ability should be called "ability augmentation" because Fallon said that she augments abilities, or something to that effect (he definitely said the word augment). Ted can melt objects like Zane, but we don't put them both under "melting" and insinuate that Zane can do what Ted can. However, with that being said, I don't think we can get away with anything besides "ability supercharging" for Ando's version, it was mentioned multiple times in the show by multiple characters. The only other name I can think of is "red lightning", which isn't a horrible name honestly. Mohinder refers to it as that, and he's a credible source.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP|Need further explanation?]] 17:17, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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** Agree on the split, but, as said before (with emphasis) '''NO TALK ON RENAMES UNTIL THE DECISION TO SPLIT IS CONFIRMED'''--{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 17:21, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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***<sub>Sorry....</sub>--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP|Need further explanation?]] 17:24, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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**** Yeah i also agree on this one, however it could be that Paulette's ability was the same as Ando's but we never saw more of Paulette's ability so lets split.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 17:25, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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***** Also, like ''I'' said earlier, I think Mohinder merley ''saw'' it as red lightning as that was all he ever witnessed Ando display it as. Ando just went along with due to them being in a bit of a rush.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 17:27, 13 January 2010 (EST) |
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