Talk:Explosion future
Careful!
There are at least 2 dark futures, the one at the beginning of String Theory where Future Hiro didn't go back at all, and the one shown in the episode, where Future Hiro went back but Present Hiro didn't stop the explosion (presuming he does so). They are arguably different enough to matter. In one, Sylar was the bomb, in the other, it was Peter. In one, Claire died in 2007 2006 (edit by Alexwill 10:26, 1 May 2007 (EDT)), in the other, Claire died in 2011. Gregorus 09:40, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- We might need to split it to clarify, then. --Ted C 09:48, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- I think a good method would be refering to the timeline before Hiro travels back to warn Peter as Dark Future A or 1, and after as Dark Future B or 2, and any subsequent Dark Futures named as such.... Alexwill 10:26, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- Numbering is too complex. Listing it sequentially and as a different future is enough. I like how it is. It gets too confusing when you start calling something A and B or 1 and 2. --Bob 10:28, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- So far, there's only one. In both String Theory and Five Years Gone, Sylar used Candace's power to disguise Peter as Sylar. At least, that's what I assume. Heroe!(talk) 17:08, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- Numbering is too complex. Listing it sequentially and as a different future is enough. I like how it is. It gets too confusing when you start calling something A and B or 1 and 2. --Bob 10:28, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
The Message
I don't want to get into an editing conflict over whether to include Hiro's actions in String Theory here. My personal opinion, however, is that events that actually occur in the GN should be on the GN's page, and events that occur "around" String Theory and Five Years Gone should be on this page. --Ted C 14:33, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
Walls, Part 1
Shouldn't the events of the Walls graphic novel be included in this article, somehow? Afterall, it does provide some information on the history of the "Dark Future". Joser Kyind 16:06, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- I would include events leading up to it, but leave the actual events described in the GN's own page. --Ted C 16:53, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- I'm not sure I understand your insistance on keeping the events of the GN's and episodes out of this article. Especially since the Walls comic is an important piece of the history behind Five Years Gone. It's not like anyone is calling for an in depth description of everything that happens in it, just a couple of main bullet points, like this:
- I just think it's redundant. Those events are discussed on their own pages; I created this one to fill in the gaps. I'm not seriously objecting, anymore; I just have a preference. --Ted C 17:16, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- While I can understand that logic, and even agree with it to a point, I feel that the nature of a wiki leads to the necessity of some redundancy. For example, the character history sections of the character pages are "redundant" in the fact that the events described in them are included in the corresponding episode and GN pages, but I don't think anyone would argue that those sections should be removed. As for this particular page, I feel that, if it is intended to describe the Dark Future that Hiro comes from, some mention should be made of the major events that are actually shown in the articles and GN's. Joser Kyind 17:49, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- OK, I'm sold. --Ted C 17:58, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- While I can understand that logic, and even agree with it to a point, I feel that the nature of a wiki leads to the necessity of some redundancy. For example, the character history sections of the character pages are "redundant" in the fact that the events described in them are included in the corresponding episode and GN pages, but I don't think anyone would argue that those sections should be removed. As for this particular page, I feel that, if it is intended to describe the Dark Future that Hiro comes from, some mention should be made of the major events that are actually shown in the articles and GN's. Joser Kyind 17:49, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- I just think it's redundant. Those events are discussed on their own pages; I created this one to fill in the gaps. I'm not seriously objecting, anymore; I just have a preference. --Ted C 17:16, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- I'm not sure I understand your insistance on keeping the events of the GN's and episodes out of this article. Especially since the Walls comic is an important piece of the history behind Five Years Gone. It's not like anyone is calling for an in depth description of everything that happens in it, just a couple of main bullet points, like this:
The Name
I recall Future Hiro using the exact phrase "Dark Future" early in Five Years Gone. Is that just my imagination? I ask, because I see no reason to go around referring to "one possible future" in other articles. Eventually, this future will presumably become impossible. If "Dark Future" is a term established in the show, I see no reason not to use it in the Wiki as a specific reference to the dystopian future of Five Years Gone. --Ted C 16:58, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- It's still a possible future. Hiro has the ability to change the future, which is what he plans on doing. So the "dark future", whichever one it is, is still just a possibility. Implying it as a proper noun means that it exists, which is not the case. No future is set in stone, unless predestination is established, which the writers have stated against.--Bob 17:54, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- Before long, though, the events we've seen will become a part of Hiro's past. At that point, the paradox problem will make it much more difficult to fix. Further, if there are other possibilities for the future, then being able to refer to this timeline by a specific name may be useful as a way for us to distinguish timelines. --Ted C 18:01, 1 May 2007 (EDT)