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Talk:Water mimicry
Description
- Unless I missed something the description here seems highly speculative. All I got from the graphic novel was that he was essentially able to transform himself into water, not manipulate any water externally. (Admin 13:00, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
- I reworded it to be less speculative. Based on what we've seen his ability doesn't involve anything more than being able to essentially transform himself into water. I can see how the scene where he splashes the agents could be a little confusing, but he charged them and splashed through them. (Admin 13:08, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
Name
- Why is the power called "water density mimicry"? All human beings already are the same density as water (or rather only slightly less dense). Simply "water mimicry" or "self liquefaction" might be better. If it is necessary to include some specific physical quality, then perhaps you want "viscosity" rather than "density".--E rowe 14:20, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
- Go into a deep swimming pool, exhale completely, and then tell me if you stay in the same place, sink, or float. :) Despite being mostly water we are still significantly more dense and will sink. That being said it's not my favorite name for an ability, but it's pretty much taken right from the content of the graphic novel. "Water mimicry" seems like an acceptable (and personally my preferred) alternative to me since it remains backed by the novel. (Admin 14:24, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
- OK, I see, Noah says that his body can mimic the density of water. It's still wrong. But at least it does come from the GN. On the other hand, Noah also says "He can turn his body wholly into liquid," which seems like a more accurate discription of what he does.--E rowe 14:30, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
- I like "water mimicry" personally and it's essentially what he says in the novel and is backed up by the art as well. If others think "water mimicry" is a better name we could go with that shorter form. (Admin 14:53, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
- I like the sound and clarity of either 'Aquakinesis' or 'Hydrokinesis' (which fits nicely with the Fire-equivelant of Pyrokinesis). Unfortunately, neither the GN nor the Episode make either of those references. Have we set a strict precidence that we only derive names from the explicit names used in the GNs or Epis, and not a more common or more familiar synonym that might be a better fit? Wouldn't you think that either 'Aquakinesis' or 'Hydrokinesis' is a better description of the ability than 'Water Mimic'? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/30/2007 15:01 (EST)
- Yes, according to the naming conventions canonical names or descriptions take precedence and we have some decent canonical terms presented to us in this novel. "Aquakinesis" and "hydrokinesis" aren't accurate descriptions of his ability either which so far just involves transforming (or mimicking) water. (Admin 15:07, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
- I'm not sure about his ability. 'mimicing' it, to me, means taking water that is existant, and making it do something. He, on the other hand, is creating water out of his body, and yeilding it. I can't see his useage of it in the GN as being any differently than how Meridith Gordon's Pyrokinesis has been shown; or how Sylar's ice ability has been shown. Yes the GN uses the term mimic...but how does that term clearly apply? When he created the wave of water that washed Ivan and Maarten over, it was more volumne that his own body itself comprised, so he was mentally creating water just like Sylar mentally creates Ice, and Meridith mentally creates fire. The Both Hyrdo- and Aqua- are synonyms for water, and when you add the suffix kinesis, it simply means they are controlled by the hosts mind. He used his mind to call forth the water. However, their is no term 'waterkinesis'...but the other two prefixes are commonly understood terms for the same thing. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/30/2007 15:14 (EST)
- I believe you misinterpreted the scene check it again carefully including the frames leading up to it. He's not calling forth water. He charges the men and breaks through them as a liquid. He's not affecting any external water supply or projecting it from himself. He's only mimicking/transforming himself into water. (Admin 15:18, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
- I like the sound and clarity of either 'Aquakinesis' or 'Hydrokinesis' (which fits nicely with the Fire-equivelant of Pyrokinesis). Unfortunately, neither the GN nor the Episode make either of those references. Have we set a strict precidence that we only derive names from the explicit names used in the GNs or Epis, and not a more common or more familiar synonym that might be a better fit? Wouldn't you think that either 'Aquakinesis' or 'Hydrokinesis' is a better description of the ability than 'Water Mimic'? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/30/2007 15:01 (EST)
- I like "water mimicry" personally and it's essentially what he says in the novel and is backed up by the art as well. If others think "water mimicry" is a better name we could go with that shorter form. (Admin 14:53, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
- OK, I see, Noah says that his body can mimic the density of water. It's still wrong. But at least it does come from the GN. On the other hand, Noah also says "He can turn his body wholly into liquid," which seems like a more accurate discription of what he does.--E rowe 14:30, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
- Go into a deep swimming pool, exhale completely, and then tell me if you stay in the same place, sink, or float. :) Despite being mostly water we are still significantly more dense and will sink. That being said it's not my favorite name for an ability, but it's pretty much taken right from the content of the graphic novel. "Water mimicry" seems like an acceptable (and personally my preferred) alternative to me since it remains backed by the novel. (Admin 14:24, 30 October 2007 (EDT))